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So, I think I've seen enough onTwitter to tell me Maliki ain't resigning. He says we told him that he could form the government by July 1, which is such a bullshit interpretation of what we told him, it makes my head want to explode. I think we're seeing "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" play out here. We tried the diplomatic route...sort of, by sending ISIS into the Sunni territories, and knocking on the door of Baghdad to intimidate him into leaving. That has failed, so the next move, according to the book, is to try to assassinate him, so I would say we see ISIS move on Baghdad in the very near future before the Shiite militia is able to organize. If he survives that, we're looking at either civil war or Sunni secession. Barzani already talked about Kurdistan seceding again, today, and it would be in the Sunnis' interests to just secede and not try to fight a protracted civil war. We could be back to the Biden Plan, after all, and that wouldn't be all that bad. I don't think we'll see a change in currency until there is some political settlement, though, whether it be the 3 state solution or a new Maliki-free, non-sectarian government where peace and justice rains throughout the land. The good news is, things are at such a tipping point that a political solution can't be far off.
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104 terrorists killed in Baghdad, but that's not the important part. The important part is the terrorists are in Baghdad.

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So, I think I've seen enough onTwitter to tell me Maliki ain't resigning. He says we told him that he could form the government by July 1, which is such a bullshit interpretation of what we told him, it makes my head want to explode. I think we're seeing "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" play out here. We tried the diplomatic route...sort of, by sending ISIS into the Sunni territories, and knocking on the door of Baghdad to intimidate him into leaving. That has failed, so the next move, according to the book, is to try to assassinate him, so I would say we see ISIS move on Baghdad in the very near future before the Shiite militia is able to organize. If he survives that, we're looking at either civil war or Sunni secession. Barzani already talked about Kurdistan seceding again, today, and it would be in the Sunnis' interests to just secede and not try to fight a protracted civil war. We could be back to the Biden Plan, after all, and that wouldn't be all that bad. I don't think we'll see a change in currency until there is some political settlement, though, whether it be the 3 state solution or a new Maliki-free, non-sectarian government where peace and justice rains throughout the land. The good news is, things are at such a tipping point that a political solution can't be far off.
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104 terrorists killed in Baghdad, but that's not the important part. The important part is the terrorists are in Baghdad.

[link to www.iraqinews.com]
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Hmmm, some interesting Idea's put forth.

It seems to me that TPTB want to destabilize Iran and if possible a change in leadership. A direct attack would bring in other factions and could escalate the situation beyond what they want ie. Russia and China.

Iran supports Maliki, this is clear and has in essence pledged support against the Isis hoard taking over the country and putting another hostile country on Irans boarder. Looks to me like this is all a move to begin hostilities with Iran.

How you squeeze an RV in the forth coming situation is beyond me. If indeed that is that is the SA and US plan.

The only Possible way I can see an RV, is if Baghdad falls to Isis and there is a lull in the fighting before hostilities erupt between Iran and the new Iraq government.
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Hmmm, some interesting Idea's put forth.

It seems to me that TPTB want to destabilize Iran and if possible a change in leadership. A direct attack would bring in other factions and could escalate the situation beyond what they want ie. Russia and China.

Iran supports Maliki, this is clear and has in essence pledged support against the Isis hoard taking over the country and putting another hostile country on Irans boarder. Looks to me like this is all a move to begin hostilities with Iran.

How you squeeze an RV in the forth coming situation is beyond me. If indeed that is that is the SA and US plan.

The only Possible way I can see an RV, is if Baghdad falls to Isis and there is a lull in the fighting before hostilities erupt between Iran and the new Iraq government.
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Here's how you get an RV in this mess. ISIS assassinates Maliki, and the Sunnis rejoice. Shiites are pissed for a few days, until the new government is formed with Chalabi as Prime Minister. Shiites calm down. Kurds sit the whole mess out until they vote for Chalabi. Everybody's happy. Stable government in place. RV.
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the whole thing stinks.... you know how easy it would be to neutralize a couple thousand guys in toyota trucks who only have ak's and rpgs... it would take a couple of helicopters, a couple of gun ships or a couple of drones, no need for human pilots at all... that's it... you wouldn't need an army on the ground just minimal airpower... the kind of which most countries have... terrorists don't have air power, they don't have radar, they don't have satellites,... they have some toyota trucks and a t-shirt line.... this whole thing is absolute nonsense bs... this group, who just appeared on the scene is just sweeping across a country and taking over key border posts... please...
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doing quick research an apache helicopter can hit stationary targets from 7 kilometers away...that's over 4 miles away... I'm no expert but I don't think rpgs can hit a target 4 miles away... so you could take care of this problem from a safe distance in a day or two. Yet somehow the convoy of toyotas is some sort of military colossus that can be defeated.

while guys in masks with machine guns makes for scary photos and video footage to put on the tell-a-vision...they are no match for even the smallest air force...

this whole narrative being spun just reeks of bullshit
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Made of State John Kerry, on Monday, after a meeting with Iraqi Prime Minister outgoing Nuri al-Maliki, and a number of Iraqi officials in Baghdad, remarks indicate Washington's desire to abandon al-Maliki from power, contrary to what was keen Kerry on Asmall the owners during their meeting .

And a senior Iraqi official revealed that Kerry transfer of three owners of American letters, centered on the need for the resignation of the latter, and warning of the consequences of any Iranian interference in Iraq, and stop the recruitment in the army on a sectarian basis.

In exchange for failure to declare the American public wanting to give up al-Maliki from power, as one of the main factors, which triggered the crisis, revealed a senior official at the Iraqi Foreign Ministry, on Monday, for "new Arab", highlights of the talks, al-Maliki and Kerry, stressing that the latter has the transfer of three letters U.S., focused on the need for the resignation of Maliki, and warning of the consequences of any military intervention in Iraq, Iran, and stop recruitment into the army on a sectarian basis.

The official said, "The most prominent axes closed-door meeting, which was leaked to us, concentrated in three letters U.S., it focused first message on the resignation of Maliki and the search for a new alternative, has the approval of the Sunni Arabs and Kurds, through a new government recognizes the constitutionally according to the results of the recent election."

[link to translate.google.com (secure)]
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Sounds like a meeting of very serious tone.
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Give 'em hell, Lurch!

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So, I think I've seen enough onTwitter to tell me Maliki ain't resigning. He says we told him that he could form the government by July 1, which is such a bullshit interpretation of what we told him, it makes my head want to explode. I think we're seeing "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" play out here. We tried the diplomatic route...sort of, by sending ISIS into the Sunni territories, and knocking on the door of Baghdad to intimidate him into leaving. That has failed, so the next move, according to the book, is to try to assassinate him, so I would say we see ISIS move on Baghdad in the very near future before the Shiite militia is able to organize. If he survives that, we're looking at either civil war or Sunni secession. Barzani already talked about Kurdistan seceding again, today, and it would be in the Sunnis' interests to just secede and not try to fight a protracted civil war. We could be back to the Biden Plan, after all, and that wouldn't be all that bad. I don't think we'll see a change in currency until there is some political settlement, though, whether it be the 3 state solution or a new Maliki-free, non-sectarian government where peace and justice rains throughout the land. The good news is, things are at such a tipping point that a political solution can't be far off.
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Revbo the announcement from the CBI with the associated rate change must happen before the split off.

You see when the Kurds declare an independent nation of Kurdistan on that day Iraq will lose 1/3rd of its land and wealth...oil...gold...crops etc.

This would throw the whole value equation on it's head and IMF article 8 compliance would be derailed.

So currency change first...then the split.

If not...it will be one big failure.

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Not necessarily. The Shiite remnant state would keep the CBI, and all its money, and they have 2/3 of the oil. They would lose their welfare cases in Sunni-stan, and a Shiite remnant state would immediately have stability because there won't be any Sunnis or Kurds to oppress.

If it goes down this way, though, I think you're right that the Kurds will probably wait for a while to see how things shake out. Their secession is not nearly as imperative as the Sunnis' would be in the near term. The Kurds have pretty much got everything under control in their territories.
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It seems to me that there are at least two irons in the fire here... 1. Maliki and his own agenda for power 2. The larger players, US, EU, IMF, WB, UST that are opposed to BRICS & Iran, both tolerating Maliki's bullshit.

I can't help but think that both sides want the IQD to FF/RV, because both benefit, but like two alpha predators, there is the fight that ensues to lay claim to the largest part of the kill.

It looks like that is where we are at.
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I can't help but like the way you think.


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doing quick research an apache helicopter can hit stationary targets from 7 kilometers away...that's over 4 miles away... I'm no expert but I don't think rpgs can hit a target 4 miles away... so you could take care of this problem from a safe distance in a day or two. Yet somehow the convoy of toyotas is some sort of military colossus that can be defeated.

while guys in masks with machine guns makes for scary photos and video footage to put on the tell-a-vision...they are no match for even the smallest air force...

this whole narrative being spun just reeks of bullshit
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WE HAVE ONE WHO CAN SEE.

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Iraq UPDATE

Tue June 24th


The official spokesman for the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces: # brevity

1. Security forces is completely controlled by the perpetrators of the Trebil and newborn.

2. Securing the road to Baghdad - Samarra Bashkal full.

3. Security forces managed to free hand the great and inflicted great losses on the enemy.

4. Security forces in full control on the Baiji refinery and there was a wonderful response and heroic yesterday
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Iraq UPDATE

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The official spokesman for the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces: # brevity

1. Security forces is completely controlled by the perpetrators of the Trebil and newborn.

2. Securing the road to Baghdad - Samarra Bashkal full.

3. Security forces managed to free hand the great and inflicted great losses on the enemy.

4. Security forces in full control on the Baiji refinery and there was a wonderful response and heroic yesterday
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More battle reports:

Security forces killed 77 al-Qaeda leaders and restore port "newborn" and defeat "Daash" in Baiji and Afar

Security forces: kill dozens of terrorist Daash including leadership During the rocket to their communities in Hor Al Basha Fallujah

Operations Command _ Tigris : the process of implementing a proactive nests # Daash terrorist killing 21 terrorists and destroy 3 wheels within boycotted responsibility

Urgent: the start of a security operation to clear areas of Anbar, west of the armed groups and the organization "Daash

Began driving Army Aviation, using rockets modern Russian-made in the beating of the groups organizing Daash terrorist.

these missiles entering service for the first time in Iraq, and characterized with high accuracy in the correction of the objectives of the long-term.
destroyed the Air Force during the past week several sites was holed up in which members of the Daash terrorist organization, followed by a tightening of the Iraqi army control over those sites and their surroundings
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Iraq UPDATE

Tue June 24th


The official spokesman for the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces: # brevity

1. Security forces is completely controlled by the perpetrators of the Trebil and newborn.

2. Securing the road to Baghdad - Samarra Bashkal full.

3. Security forces managed to free hand the great and inflicted great losses on the enemy.

4. Security forces in full control on the Baiji refinery and there was a wonderful response and heroic yesterday
 Quoting: PIR


More battle reports:

Security forces killed 77 al-Qaeda leaders and restore port "newborn" and defeat "Daash" in Baiji and Afar

Security forces: kill dozens of terrorist Daash including leadership During the rocket to their communities in Hor Al Basha Fallujah

Operations Command _ Tigris : the process of implementing a proactive nests # Daash terrorist killing 21 terrorists and destroy 3 wheels within boycotted responsibility

Urgent: the start of a security operation to clear areas of Anbar, west of the armed groups and the organization "Daash

Began driving Army Aviation, using rockets modern Russian-made in the beating of the groups organizing Daash terrorist.

these missiles entering service for the first time in Iraq, and characterized with high accuracy in the correction of the objectives of the long-term.
destroyed the Air Force during the past week several sites was holed up in which members of the Daash terrorist organization, followed by a tightening of the Iraqi army control over those sites and their surroundings
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Funny.
As i was reading this,the local news here in the UK was reporting the exact opposite of everything you wrote lmfao.

They're still making out that iraq is fighting these rebels for its very existence.lol
crazy world ehh.
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Here we go...The set up begins!

PROBLEM Maliki gets a third term

REACTION The Kurds freak out and say they cannot work with him

SOLUTION Kurdistan calls for a referendum on independence.


Barzani: I will discuss the independence of Kurdistan Kerry and I call on al-Maliki to step down

"Recent events in Iraq confirmed that the Kurdish people have to seize the opportunity now, and that they should determine their own future, and we will bring the independence of Kurdistan to the U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry"

Read the rest here: [link to almasalah.com]

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Here we go...The set up begins!

PROBLEM Maliki gets a third term

REACTION The Kurds freak out and say they cannot work with him

SOLUTION Kurdistan calls for a referendum on independence.


Barzani: I will discuss the independence of Kurdistan Kerry and I call on al-Maliki to step down

"Recent events in Iraq confirmed that the Kurdish people have to seize the opportunity now, and that they should determine their own future, and we will bring the independence of Kurdistan to the U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry"

Read the rest here: [link to almasalah.com]
 Quoting: PIR


The former French foreign minister: I'll go to Arbil to participate in the announcement ceremony Kurdish State


Tue Jun 24 2014 00:12 | (Voice of Iraq) -Erbil

Said French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, former, Sunday, that the Kurdistan Regional Government will soon announce the independence of Kurdistan and it will go to Arbil to participate in a ceremony announcement.
Kouchner added in a speech at a ceremony commemorating Dr. Abdul Rahman Ghassemlou in the Kurdish Institute in Paris 'Kurdistan Regional Government will soon announce the independence of Kurdistan, and we're going to participate in the ceremony in Arbil.'

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And more...

EXCLUSIVE: Iraqi Kurdistan leader Massoud Barzani says 'the time is here' for self-determination


June 23rd, 2014
11:55 AM ET
By Mick Krever, CNN

Iraqi Kurdish President Massoud Barzani gave his strongest-ever indication on Monday that his region would seek formal independence from the rest of Iraq.

[link to amanpour.blogs.cnn.com]

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Can you believe someone gave me negative feedback and called me an attention whore....really????

At tnt whore
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That sucks! When I had my photo up as little miracles, some guy called me a "goth stank" lol! Because I had a cross necklace on, go figure... chuckle

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Jealousy. What a terrible emotion. Well anyways..I'm from the Columbus area
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Ohio boy here, toledo.
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Ohio boy here, toledo.
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That's awesome!!! We should all get together
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Ohio boy here, toledo.
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That's awesome!!! We should all get together
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To understand the subterfuge and reverse psycology being used on he minds of the GDP (generally dumb public)...listen to my last nights episode of Phoenix Rising Radio.

I explain how they are setting this whole thing up and why.

All by design...

Link: [link to www.blogtalkradio.com]
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To understand the subterfuge and reverse psycology being used on he minds of the GDP (generally dumb public)...listen to my last nights episode of Phoenix Rising Radio.

I explain how they are setting this whole thing up and why.

All by design...

Link: [link to www.blogtalkradio.com]
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The general impression is that you are talking of something happening in another universe
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Ohio boy here, toledo.
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That's awesome!!! We should all get together
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Sounds good to me. After the RV we can all meet up.
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Ohio boy here, toledo.
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That's awesome!!! We should all get together
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Sounds good to me. After the RV we can all meet up.
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To understand the subterfuge and reverse psycology being used on he minds of the GDP (generally dumb public)...listen to my last nights episode of Phoenix Rising Radio.

I explain how they are setting this whole thing up and why.

All by design...

Link: [link to www.blogtalkradio.com]
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The general impression is that you are talking of something happening in another universe
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Understood.

See ya.
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Ohio boy here, toledo.
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That's awesome!!! We should all get together
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I live in a state right next to Ohio!!! cheers
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EXCLUSIVE: Iraqi Kurdistan leader Massoud Barzani says 'the time is here' for self-determination


June 23rd, 2014
11:55 AM ET
By Mick Krever, CNN

Iraqi Kurdish President Massoud Barzani gave his strongest-ever indication on Monday that his region would seek formal independence from the rest of Iraq.

[link to amanpour.blogs.cnn.com]
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I'm listening to the interview now, and it sure sounds like the Kurds have had enough, and are ready to go. Barzani leaves open the possibility that they will stay a part of Iraq, but only if Maliki goes.

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[link to translate.google.com]

Indeed, the members of the cluster, which belongs to al-Maliki, 64, now concede that he may be forced to leave if the Shiite groups, Sunnis and Kurds to gather in a new governing coalition.

A senior member of the coalition of al-Maliki, speaking on condition of anonymity, "Iraq after the tenth of June is not as it was before .. everything changed .. and everything is on the table .. and if others have insisted that they will file only if it is not al-Maliki as prime minister, we ready to discuss it. "
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Well, I'll be damned. Could the old bastard really be coming to his senses?


Maliki's coalition: I will support any candidate achieves victory over terrorism

The head of a coalition of state law in a letter addressed to the President of the National Alliance, Ibrahim al-Jaafari seen by the agency ((eighth day)) if the withdrawal of my candidacy for the post of prime minister will be the cause of our victory over the forces of death and darkness Fannie first retreating, according to a source close to al-Jaafari.

[link to translate.google.com.pk]
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Here we go...The set up begins!

PROBLEM Maliki gets a third term

REACTION The Kurds freak out and say they cannot work with him

SOLUTION Kurdistan calls for a referendum on independence.


Barzani: I will discuss the independence of Kurdistan Kerry and I call on al-Maliki to step down

"Recent events in Iraq confirmed that the Kurdish people have to seize the opportunity now, and that they should determine their own future, and we will bring the independence of Kurdistan to the U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry"

Read the rest here: [link to almasalah.com]
 Quoting: PIR


Well, I must say, your scenariois gaining traction with me...at least a bit :)
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