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Iraq an economic Study

 
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watch this interview with Harvey Organ

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Harvey Organ- By December Whole Thing Going to Collapse

the naysayers always parrot the same thing "yeah I heard that in 08 and 09 and 10,11, 12, 12, not gonna happen" or that precious metal sellers are just pumping metals... which I always find comical... that people think the metal guys are just pumping, yet don't think the fiat paper stock market msm monster is pumping.

while I'll admit the can has been kicked down the road quite a while since 08 and the western central banks ability to continually extend the inevitable collapse of their ponzi scheme is quite impressive at times and makes actual analysis of markets next to impossible because there's no longer any fundamentals to use in analyzing a rigged market...

but people always want immediate results. They see stories of sky rocketing gold prices, and it doesn't happen. They see stories of the imminent collapse of the dollar and it doesn't happen. But it's all happening, it's been a slow burn. Why do you think WW3 is currently underway... another example of something that is happening but the public hasn't been told yet and something will happen to make it seem like it all just happened overnight. But it's been in the works and happening for a while.

Wars aren't fought over ideals like freedom... like all that bs obama talked about last night and every president talks about, about protecting "our values"...which is an interesting play on words... we are trying to protect the value of our dollar, of our resources... wars aren't fought to protect bumper sticker slogans of peace and democracy and freedom... they are fought to protect control over finance and resources.

The Harvey Organ interview is very telling... ignore the speculating about what the price of gold and silver will be in the future, that's not the important part of what's happening and far too often that's all people hear and scoff at... what you need to be paying attention to is what's happening that makes people speculate about the future prices of the metals, there is a very real changing of the guard happening and that's why we are seeing war and stories of having to fight "terrorism"
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I used to like Kap, I appreciate his "let's be realistic" approach... but the dude is shady... him and the mods over at DD censor posts that mention any really discussion of the coming financial reset / restructuring... and he and enorreste are some arrogant dudes who think only they know what's going on.

the thing that kap fails to always comprehend is what's happening in the grand scheme of the realignment of the geopolitical / financial chessboard.

He only looks at the small picture, he only looks at iraq and doesn't take into consideration all the dots happening out there with gold and brics and the isolation of the dollar. He repeatedly talks about how this just has to do with Iraq, showing he can't read between the lines and put together what's happening on a larger scale.

His notion that things can't overnight, is short sighted. What's happening in the global financial world right now is some relatively unchartered waters... and I believe we'll see lots of big moves that appear to happen overnight but have been in the works for quite a while.

Our boy Rev, has a far better grasp of the bigger geopolitical / financial picture, and therefore IMO a far better analytical mind when connecting all the dots then kap.
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Thanks, man. I like Kap, and owe a lot of my understanding of the Iraq thing to his guidance a few months after I got into this, but you're right. He is solely focused on Iraq, and makes no connections to anything else, which I personally find to be limiting in its scope, but he has a vice grip on his knowledge of Iraq. Enorrste is an pompous ass who does pay attention to other issues, but as far as he is concerned, he is the sole arbiter of truth. He's a smart guy, but he doesn't respect anyone else's opinion, except maybe Kap because it's Kap's site. He almost ran me off at DA twice, and I still don't express anything more, there, than to answer basic member questions and a few non-political jokes every now and then.

Obama's speech, though, is just the latest evidence that I still have a long way to go in analyzing this stuff. I thought we would start bombing the shit out of the terrorists, but we seem to be pursuing a more "nuanced" approach that requires a lot of reconciliation between the blocs in Iraq, which will never really come. It looks like Hoodrats was right, yesterday, though, and it doesn't even seem like what we do with ISIS even matters much. The UN/NATO are basically just declaring Iraq's security is their problem now, so that means Iraq is secure, which is bullshit, but it suits me just fine. Fake security is as good as the real thing, as long as I get paid.




11/9/2014


Ki-moon confirms the international community's security and stability of Iraq


Prime Minister Haidar Al-Abbadi discussed with UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon the political and security situation in Iraq and the region as well as the United Nations moves to help Iraq.


A statement said Al-Abbadi PUKmedia, received a copy of it, Thursday, "the Prime Minister received a telephone call from United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon congratulated Ban Ki-moon, Al-Abbadi to mark the formation of the Government, expressing the support of the United Nations for all its efforts to the security and stability of Iraq.


Abbadi stressed "the importance of the role of the United Nations to support Iraq in various areas and contribute to developing a supportive position internationally in the fight against terrorist organizations.


He noted that "Iraq has played a pivotal role in the region and to assist in meeting the challenges faced."


With Ban Ki-moon expressed the concern of the international community to Iraq, security and stability.


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watch this interview with Harvey Organ

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Harvey Organ- By December Whole Thing Going to Collapse

the naysayers always parrot the same thing "yeah I heard that in 08 and 09 and 10,11, 12, 12, not gonna happen" or that precious metal sellers are just pumping metals... which I always find comical... that people think the metal guys are just pumping, yet don't think the fiat paper stock market msm monster is pumping.

while I'll admit the can has been kicked down the road quite a while since 08 and the western central banks ability to continually extend the inevitable collapse of their ponzi scheme is quite impressive at times and makes actual analysis of markets next to impossible because there's no longer any fundamentals to use in analyzing a rigged market...

but people always want immediate results. They see stories of sky rocketing gold prices, and it doesn't happen. They see stories of the imminent collapse of the dollar and it doesn't happen. But it's all happening, it's been a slow burn. Why do you think WW3 is currently underway... another example of something that is happening but the public hasn't been told yet and something will happen to make it seem like it all just happened overnight. But it's been in the works and happening for a while.

Wars aren't fought over ideals like freedom... like all that bs obama talked about last night and every president talks about, about protecting "our values"...which is an interesting play on words... we are trying to protect the value of our dollar, of our resources... wars aren't fought to protect bumper sticker slogans of peace and democracy and freedom... they are fought to protect control over finance and resources.

The Harvey Organ interview is very telling... ignore the speculating about what the price of gold and silver will be in the future, that's not the important part of what's happening and far too often that's all people hear and scoff at... what you need to be paying attention to is what's happening that makes people speculate about the future prices of the metals, there is a very real changing of the guard happening and that's why we are seeing war and stories of having to fight "terrorism"
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As a 2008 charter member of the GLP EconoDoomTard Association, I approve this message. Come back, Martial Law. We miss you.

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I too am a member of the G.E.D.T.A. since '08

Right around the end of spring beginning of summer of 08, my attention was brought to the economy... towards the end of summer, read an article I believe by Jim Willie (at the time I was quite green still and wasn't paying so much attention to who was writing what just what they were writing) which predicted that on Sept 15th we'd see economic collapse... and on sept 15th Hank Paulson was on tv strong-arming congress for 800 billion under threat of martial law
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I too am a member of the G.E.D.T.A. since '08

Right around the end of spring beginning of summer of 08, my attention was brought to the economy... towards the end of summer, read an article I believe by Jim Willie (at the time I was quite green still and wasn't paying so much attention to who was writing what just what they were writing) which predicted that on Sept 15th we'd see economic collapse... and on sept 15th Hank Paulson was on tv strong-arming congress for 800 billion under threat of martial law
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Nice! Did you have a name then that I would remember? I was all over every Zerohedge thread I could find back then, although I think they came along right about the same time as the crash, along with Jane Smith, Nickadeemus, Martial, ZeroPoint, G3, who still shows up in our thread here every now and then, and a whole bunch of others, and we all thought apocalypse was happening right then and there. Who would've thought they could kick the can another six years, and here we are. Still haven't gotten to stick a finger in Zazz's eye yet. I think you beat me to it by a few months. I finally figured it out around June or July, I think.
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Rev.. I had posted a long comment about the reality of the financial system, the central banks, the currency wars, reset / restructuring over on Dinar Detectives... and they never posted it... but, Kap forwarded it to Enorrste and then posted Enorrste's response to my post in the thread... and that's when I saw that while Enorrste is paying attention to some of the bigger picture realities, he didn't always know what he was talking about

that showed me two things

1) Kap is shady in that he censors posts that don't jive with his narrative... had more then just one post not get approved and they all dealt with pointing out the reality of a reset or restructuring

2) Enorrste is a pompous arrogant ass who doesn't know as much as he thinks he does as he revealed in how he responded to my censored comment.
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I wasn't posting / commenting in 08, just trolling and reading

plus I will always go the route of anonymity
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Rev.. I had posted a long comment about the reality of the financial system, the central banks, the currency wars, reset / restructuring over on Dinar Detectives... and they never posted it... but, Kap forwarded it to Enorrste and then posted Enorrste's response to my post in the thread... and that's when I saw that while Enorrste is paying attention to some of the bigger picture realities, he didn't always know what he was talking about

that showed me two things

1) Kap is shady in that he censors posts that don't jive with his narrative... had more then just one post not get approved and they all dealt with pointing out the reality of a reset or restructuring

2) Enorrste is a pompous arrogant ass who doesn't know as much as he thinks he does as he revealed in how he responded to my censored comment.
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I would love to read it if you still have a copy :)
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i don't have a copy, it was just a response in a thread... over at DD, you have to wait for every post to be approved... it was never approved, so what i wrote was lost... but Kap forwarded it to Enorrste and Enorrste's response was posted but it made no sense if you were reading it because he was responding to a post that wasn't there. It also made no sense because Enorrste was responding to the post out of context and not in regards to my post in relation to the whole thread
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when I search DD for posts under the two user names I had, they come up with no results
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Guru REVBO and GLP make recaps...
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Guru REVBO and GLP make recaps...
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I even put a header on that not to take it anywhere else. Jerks.
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which just goes to show how absurd the whole "guru" thing is

Rev has a great deal of insight and research, and for me, is the reason I stay tuned to this thread... so not trying to take anything away from Rev and his diligence with this point I am making... but the term "guru" is assigned to anyone who talks about the dinar

there's no qualifications to be labeled a guru. And who decides who is a guru and who isn't? Who "knights" someone with guruhood?? How does one earn such a lofty title?

In the rest of the financial world, if someone is labeled a "guru" it's usually because that person has decades of experiences in the financial field, has credentials from schools and careers and has proven their knowledge via years and years of proven successful analysis and strategy. ANd therefore earns the title guru because they've been in the game long enough and have been successful enough to prove their worth and knowledge.

when the dinar thing started, the whole "guru" thing just came with it instantly... people who can't even spell or use grammar correctly were deemed "gurus"...

while I don't think the dinar is necessarily a "scam" it's obviously a scam to some degree... the guru thing was an obvious tell that people were trying to scam people... it's a real currency and I believe in the rv, but let's not fool ourselves here there's a ton of bs salesmanship with the dinar... i.e. "gurus" who know nothing and try and get you to buy reserves and dinar by talking about god and "our blessing"

who started the whole guru thing to begin with....? Had to be a dinar dealer.
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Any of y'all ever heard of Ali Hatem al-Suleiman? I hadn't either until Blue posted this beautiful article last night. He's the leader of the Dulaimi tribe, 3 million Sunnis in Anbar who almost declared his own country when Maliki screwed him, and pledged, when ISIS came in, that his people wouldn't lift a finger to remove them until Maliki was gone. Well, Maliki is gone, and Hatem has pledged, to Abadi, to rid his province of the vermin once and for all. We're now moving air power into position, but Hatem's private army outnumbers them about 100:1. I think Ali's got this one. ISIS may be gone in a week or two after all.


Ali Hatem al-Suleiman vows to for al-Abadi to fight the IS after ensuring to carry out the demands and rights

11/09/2014 21:51:00


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Ramadi / NINA / Sheikh of Dulaimi tribes Ali Hatem al-Suleiman pledged to fight the IS after ensuring the implementation of the rights and demands of the uprising provinces.

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Sulaiman said in a press conference today that he pledge to the new government headed by Haidar al-Abbadi to fight the IS organization in regions and cities that fall under his control, but after our rights and ensure the implementation of our demands by the new government.

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He added that any force can not expel the IS elements from areas controlled by for months ago, but by the sons of those areas, stressing that the reason for the defeat of the forces that fought the IS several months ago, being not of those areas.

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He stressed that the IS organization is an international project supported by major countries at the aim of foiling the Iraqi revolution that came out in order to achieve the demands of the Iraqi people.

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Ali Hatem al-Suleiman welcomed the idea of forming a National Guard troops from each province, stressing that the formation of Guard forces in the provinces is a starting point for the stability and the protection of areas of Iraq from any terrorist groups. / End



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From right after ISIS moved in...


Iraq’s Sunnis Will Kick Out ISIS After Dumping Maliki: Ex-CIA Official



By Jeff Stein Filed: 6/25/14 at 11:19 AM

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A fighter of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Syria (ISIS) holds an ISIS flag and a weapon on a street in the city of Mosul on June 23, 2014 Reuters

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Don’t panic, Iraq’s most powerful Sunnis are telling some old American friends. We’ll take care of these upstart ISIS nuts—as soon as they oust Nouri al-Maliki from Baghdad.

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That’s the message Sheikh Ali Hatem al-Suleiman, leader of Iraq’s biggest Sunni tribe, gave John R. Maguire, a retired former CIA deputy station chief in Baghdad, when he visited Iraq three weeks ago to talk about future oil deals in the region.

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And Maguire, a veteran senior CIA paramilitary official, believes it. The tribes that once worked with the Americans to defeat Al-Qaeda in Iraq, he insists, will again rise up again to oust its spawn, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria [ISIS]—a movement so extreme it was denounced by Osama bin Laden’s successor.

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“They're already drawing lines around how this is going to work, to get rid of these guys,” Maguire tells Newsweek. “So the fight is coming, but they can't do it until they're sure they have disrupted Maliki and they've got some breathing space to create a different government in Baghdad.”

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For now, Maguire says, the Sunni leaders are furnishing tribesmen to fight with the ISIS in hopes that their collaboration will accomplish something they couldn’t do on their own—topple Maliki, who they call “a corrupt puppet of Iran [who] has amassed staggering personal wealth,” and for whom “people are not interested in fighting.”

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The Sunnis are using ISIS like a crowbar to oust Maliki, Maguire says, and then they’ll turn on the invaders. Iraq as we know it will cease to exist, splitting into three new proto-states: Sunnistan in the west, Kurdistan in the north and an Iranian Shiite protectorate stretching from Baghdad east to the Arabian Sea and oil port of Basra. ISIS, in this optimistic scenario, will be pounded into oblivion.

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"Iraq is righting itself" along tribal and ethnic lines, says Maguire, who now runs a Virginia-based oil consulting business with two other CIA veterans of the Iraq war. He says he’s advised Sunni tribal leaders to spiff up their image. “I just had a conversation last night about this with some Sunni guys from Anbar,” Maguire said by telephone Tuesday. “I told them, ‘You guys have to do something to change the perception of what you're doing. Your image is that of a guy in a black turban on YouTube. You can't have that. You got to get your message out, and you've got to put some smart Sunnis on TV wearing suits explaining what the hell's going on in Iraq.’"

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What’s “going on,” he says, is that the Sunnis leaders are lying in wait, waiting for the right moment to spring their treacherous trap on ISIS, just like it did with Al-Qaeda in Iraq during the U.S. occupation. “There's no question that ISIS is a huge problem and a very dangerous tool, but it's a tool that Sunni officers know how to use and handle,” maintains Maguire, whose 23-year CIA career included several senior operational assignments in the Middle East. “They're using [ISIS] guys as disposable assets...and when they don't need them anymore, they'll invite them to return to Syria or wherever they came from, and if they don't, they will kill them.”

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A number of signs point to Maliki’s imminent downfall, Maguire says: mass desertions from the Iraqi army, nervous regime officials looking to get cash out of the country and the lukewarm response of young Shia to calls from the Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani to rally to the defense of the nation. “When al-Sistani gave his great call to arms for the Shia to rise up, they did not respond in great numbers,” says Maguire, contradicting the dramatic images of youths signing up to fight. “It just fizzled out.” Indeed, Sistani was back again last week calling for something far less, the formation of a new government that would unite the nation. On Tuesday, Maliki rejected that idea.

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It may be too late for that. The major roads leading north and west out of Baghdad are under ISIS control, and the south may be closed off soon, too, Maguire says. “There is an increasing risk in the next day or two that ISIS will open the Haditha Dam,” a five-mile-wide structure on the Euphrates northwest of Baghdad. “If they open the dam, they can flood the area south of Baghdad as far as Karbala,” Shiite Islam’s the third holiest city.

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“Remember, Ramadan starts on Saturday,” says Maguire. “Picture thousands of Shia pilgrims washing down the canals from the flood. If the Haditha Dam is opened, the roads to flee Baghdad from the south will be impassable, leaving the only way out to the east, to Iran.”

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Maliki’s praetorian guard is starting to buckle, Maguire says. The prime minister senses it, and he "issued an order that no VIP travel is authorized, so he's strapped all the inner-circle Iraqis to the deck of his ship. I've been contacted by people in his inner circle asking for my help with getting money out of Baghdad,” Maguire adds. “His money guys are looking to get out. They're scared. They don't think this is going to hold, and they don't want to be the last guys in Baghdad with no money on the outside and no way out."

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Maliki and his Iranian backers might be so desperate to rouse Shiites to fight that they’ll blow up one of the sect’s own holy sites and blame it on ISIS, Maguire and other intelligence sources say. "We are at a very dangerous period, because when al-Sistani gave his great call to arms for the Shia to rise up, they did not respond in great numbers, so they have to do something to scare the Shia into action,” Maguire says. “And I'm afraid that Maliki and Iran will create an incident, an atrocity of some sort, maybe blow up Shia shrines or have some atrocious event in Baghdad that will drive people into the streets.

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"The Shia have got to do something to wake people up,” Maguire explains. “People are just not motivated. The desertions from the army are so bad that Maliki doesn't even know what units he has that are still operationally viable."

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Other experts say Maguire’s prediction that pro-West Sunni tribal leaders want—and can—muscle ISIS aside after they take down Maliki is far too rosy. “That's what they are telling everyone,” Ken Pollack, a former CIA and White House National Security Council expert on Iraq, told Newsweek. “I have heard it from multiple sources. I think it accurately reflects their suspicion/antipathy to ISIS and the other militant groups,” Pollack added by email. “But there is a huge question regarding whether they can (1) take Baghdad, (2) get rid of Maliki, and (3) beat ISIS, even if they can do 1 and 2.

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“ISIS and the other Sunni militant groups are actually a lot more dangerous than [Al-Qaeda in Iraq] was in 2007, and back then, the tribes needed a huge amount of U.S. combat power—like 50,000 ground combat troops—to get rid of Al-Qaeda in Iraq. We will not be providing the same level of combat power, no matter what happens” this time, Pollack added.

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Pollack doesn’t doubt the Sunni tribes would like to turn on the ISIS, whose extreme brand of Islam doesn’t go down well with the country’s secular, liquor-loving Sunnis. “But I think it would be foolish,” Pollack said, “to assume that they can defeat the radicals as easily as they claim.”

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Malcolm Nance, a former Navy and CIA counterterrorism operative, says Iraq’s Sunnis “have just committed suicide.” He tells Newsweek he had been planning to write a piece called “The Sunni Tribes Drink Antifreeze.”

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“The Awakening could never happen again the way it did in 2007–2009,” says Nance, referring to the wartime U.S. operation that turned Sunnis insurgents away from fighting the Americans and onto attacking Al-Qaeda in Iraq. “At that time, the Sunnis were the heart of the insurgency. They had 25,000 active combatants and as many as 88,000 part-time and support insurgents. When they came over to the Awakening councils, they brought with them a lot of manpower and weapons and could push Al-Qaeda in Iraq out. Now that [Al-Qaeda] has [evolved into] the more combat-experienced ISIS and has many more foreign jihadis than it did in its peak of 2006, it is the insurgency. Everyone else is just a witness.

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“ISIS...” adds Nance, “will…exact a painful level of control over the Sunni population that will make them regret the very moment they fooled themselves into believing Maliki was worse than Saddam. I was there last year for a month and all I kept hearing was that Maliki was a tyrant. They overestimate every political difficulty, but this time the Sunnis have signed their own death warrants.”

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Former State Department officer Peter Van Buren calls Maguire’s scenario a "surge fantasy."

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“Without much of a plan otherwise, it is not surprising for someone [from the] CIA to fall back on the narrative that, just [as with] Al-Qaeda, the tribes will kick ISIS out,” says Van Buren, who wrote a lacerating memoir of his time in Iraq, We Meant Well. “What else do they have to hope for?”

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Such criticisms, Maguire counters, don’t “take into account the evolution of events since 2007. The battle space has changed completely in six-plus years. A new generation of Sunni leaders has emerged [who] have been treated like rubbish and been punished for six-plus years. That is a factor that changes their commitment.” Just recently in Rutba, he points out, along a highway 90 miles east of the Jordanian border, the Sunnis “killed about 30 ISIS guys, because they came in there with a sharia proclamation.”

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Life by the Quran won’t sit well in a region that has “one of the highest consumptions of beer a year in Iraq,” Maguire says. The highway through the area “is like the Teamster redneck trucker corridor of Iraq.”

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“When they make the decision that they have had enough of radical Islam,” Maguire argues, “they'll just jettison them. It'll be a horrible fight, but the outcome is not in doubt. The Sunni tribes will come out on top. It’s their country. They have something to fight for.”



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And so it begins...

# Iraqi sunni pro government fighters removing #ISIS slogans on walls after defeating them in #barawana
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macgun Git em, Pesh!



Peshmerga forces impose control on three compounds west of Mosul.
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Mosul / Nina /-- A source in the Ministry of Peshmerga announced that Peshmarga forces managed to set control on three complexes belonging to Sinaonu county after fierce clashes with the elements of Daash supported by US air.

The source said to the National Iraqi News Agency / Nina / "The three complexes were inhabited by predominantly of Yazidi minority who left their homes and moved to Dohuk province for fear of the crimes of Daash elements . / End

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Wow! I sure blew it on the Obama going to war with ISIS in Iraq thing. Really thought we'd see some fireworks last night after the speech, but nothin'. Never put it past Barack Obama to let me down. Sorry, HR. Looks like your guy was spot on. We're gonna half ass this thing right up until ISIS raise their flag over the White House, I guess.

Fascist foreign asshole.
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It is good to see UN/NATO and the Sunni tribes doing what basically amounts to by-passing Obama. That dude is going to slow-walk every bit of "assistance" that he has to give that becomes emergent in his policy of disengagement. And, it looks like everyone has figured it out, but you know how it is, no one wants to say the emperor has no clothes.
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Wow! I sure blew it on the Obama going to war with ISIS in Iraq thing. Really thought we'd see some fireworks last night after the speech, but nothin'. Never put it past Barack Obama to let me down. Sorry, HR. Looks like your guy was spot on. We're gonna half ass this thing right up until ISIS raise their flag over the White House, I guess.

Fascist foreign asshole.
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It is good to see UN/NATO and the Sunni tribes doing what basically amounts to by-passing Obama. That dude is going to slow-walk every bit of "assistance" that he has to give that becomes emergent in his policy of disengagement. And, it looks like everyone has figured it out, but you know how it is, no one wants to say the emperor has no clothes.
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Got that right. I got so wrapped up in thinking we were gonna be doing this ourselves, I completely forgot about Awakening 2.0. And Pesh is kicking some ass again, too. I even heard the Iraqi army took out about 50 ISIS in an air strike this morning. Hatem and Barzani are gonna take care of this mess for us before we even figure out what our targets are. Forget about little Barry Soetoro. He's about as useful as tits on a nun.
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From Blue's buddy, Timber. Never heard of the guy, but I agree with everything he says here. Can't believe I oput so much into our response now. Our participation in this is purely for media consumption. Barzani and Hatem's boys are gonna take out this trash and we're gonna lob a few rockets and claim the credit.


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As always thanks for the daily headlines. In response to this thread I would suggest looking at the big picture internationally at this point in time. We have our fearless vacationer in chief taking to the airwaves to announce to the world that he is forming a coalition to eliminate ISIS. The liberal press today using the buzz phrase " reluctant warrior " to explain their president , signals to me that they are all on the same page to mold the upcoming events into a brilliant military maneuver that could have only been accomplished by someone as gifted as he. If we look at his record, he has ZERO credibility when it comes to anything related to defense/military on the global stage. Personally, I have been waiting for a development such as this to usher in the the count down to the RV.

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Why ? Because if you were a president with an approval number so low that poll takers quit taking approval polls, you would know that nothing raises approval numbers better than a U S led military conquest. Notice also that he is being hailed in the press as the mastermind behind this major undertaking. His involvement in Iraq has been tepid at best, and now all of the sudden he is taking a lead role ? He knows that this effort to rid ISIS is made to order in a cute little package with a pink bow on it addressed to the sycophant media. You have the Sunni army, A.K.A. Hatem, ready to eliminate ISIS in short order, all you have to do is assemble some BS coalition of world leaders that also would enjoy some welcomed publicity , provide some air support , and WHALA !! Victory in the Middle East are the news headlines, courtesy of the all knowing , brilliant strategist , POTUS. Now I am watching for the congress to get their share of the credit. Even though the Obama can act without congressional approval , some sort of an on the record action will take place for congress to make some political hay out of this.

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If I may speculate even further, I would suggest that Randy Koonce, Tlar, and Lojaks' intel is indeed correct as for the POTUS delay. Because this event, ie. the elimination of ISIS , would make much more sense to be served up in mid October just prior to the election. If My memory is correct Bush # 41 had a 52 % approval in August before losing to Clinton in November. Even though this is a midterm election, the perception of the president always dictates the reflection of the party in charge. So why is this happening now ? I think Abadi is the real deal. If you look at his actions since his nomination.

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True power sharing , downsizing the COM , eliminating corrupt Maliki appointees would suggest that Abadi told Obama to go fan his ass concerning a delay. Abadi has the sunni army waiting to kick booty whether Obama helps or not. I found it very curious that a few days ago Obama comes out and says the Iraqi's need to form their government as soon as possible and the media gave the story legs. My take is that POTUS found out that Abadi was indeed going to take care of business and POTUS had to get ahead of the curve and make it look like Abadi was following his lead. In summation, my opinion is that Iraq truly has the reins of their own destiny under Abadis' leadership , and we are watching reactive political theatre concerning our president and press to maximize the effect on the November election.


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Thanks, RevBo. Looks like we're all reading the same tea leaves... appreciate you bringing in Timber's comments.
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If Hatem is right, this is going to be easier than we ever thought.

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Suleiman has also been involved in the 2014 Northern Iraq offensive, and he claims that ISIS only constitutes 5-7% of the anti-government forces. He claims that the majority of fighters are from Iraq's Sunni tribes. Suleiman has also claimed that these tribal forces would be able to defeat ISIS were the Maliki-run Iraqi government to withdraw government forces from North and North-Central Iraq.[6] Suleiman claimed however that tribal forces would not fight ISIS until Maliki was removed from office and Sunnis are given their rights.[7]
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Forgot about Hatem! moshpit


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Maguire CIA was the dude that made the plans to fake WMDs for the 2003 invasion
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Saudi Arabia plans to open its embassy in Baghdad for the first time since the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait


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Law: Abadi will present its candidates for the ministries of interior and defense in Tuesday's session



BAGHDAD / obelisk: guessed deputy state law, Abdul Ilah Naieli, today, Friday, that offers Abadi names of candidates for the security ministries in the parliament session next Tuesday.

Naieli said in an exclusive interview for "obelisk," Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi determined to choose candidates for the ministries of interior, defense and submission to the House of Representatives during the session next Tuesday. "

He added that "al-Abadi wants to fulfilling a pledge he made during a session of the House of Representatives allocated to give confidence to his government, last Monday, along with his determination to complete his booth ministerial."

He continued that Naieli "Abadi will choose positions for two personalities Taatsvan experience and competence, integrity and independence."

The Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi last Monday in a session giving confidence to his government, which announced the names of candidates for ministerial positions with the exception of the Ministries of Interior and Defense, he will present candidates for the two ministries Alamnatin during a session of the next Parliament.

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Law: Abadi will present its candidates for the ministries of interior and defense in Tuesday's session



BAGHDAD / obelisk: guessed deputy state law, Abdul Ilah Naieli, today, Friday, that offers Abadi names of candidates for the security ministries in the parliament session next Tuesday.

Naieli said in an exclusive interview for "obelisk," Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi determined to choose candidates for the ministries of interior, defense and submission to the House of Representatives during the session next Tuesday. "

He added that "al-Abadi wants to fulfilling a pledge he made during a session of the House of Representatives allocated to give confidence to his government, last Monday, along with his determination to complete his booth ministerial."

He continued that Naieli "Abadi will choose positions for two personalities Taatsvan experience and competence, integrity and independence."

The Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi last Monday in a session giving confidence to his government, which announced the names of candidates for ministerial positions with the exception of the Ministries of Interior and Defense, he will present candidates for the two ministries Alamnatin during a session of the next Parliament.

[link to almasalah.com]
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Let me save everyone the time and head ache: Tuesday 9/16/14 session lifted until Iraq is no longer hot.

You're welcome.

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Law: Abadi will present its candidates for the ministries of interior and defense in Tuesday's session



BAGHDAD / obelisk: guessed deputy state law, Abdul Ilah Naieli, today, Friday, that offers Abadi names of candidates for the security ministries in the parliament session next Tuesday.

Naieli said in an exclusive interview for "obelisk," Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi determined to choose candidates for the ministries of interior, defense and submission to the House of Representatives during the session next Tuesday. "

He added that "al-Abadi wants to fulfilling a pledge he made during a session of the House of Representatives allocated to give confidence to his government, last Monday, along with his determination to complete his booth ministerial."

He continued that Naieli "Abadi will choose positions for two personalities Taatsvan experience and competence, integrity and independence."

The Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi last Monday in a session giving confidence to his government, which announced the names of candidates for ministerial positions with the exception of the Ministries of Interior and Defense, he will present candidates for the two ministries Alamnatin during a session of the next Parliament.

[link to almasalah.com]
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Let me save everyone the time and head ache: Tuesday 9/16/14 session lifted until Iraq is no longer hot.

You're welcome.

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Not anymore. Abadi hasn't missed a deadline yet, and he said, when he wsa inaugurated, he would have those two positions filled next week. It's a new day in Iraq, my friend. He even canceled a trip to France for a conference so he could be there to get these guys seated.

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Haider Al-Abadi
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Dr. Haider Al-Abadi: I have ordered the Iraqi Air Force to halt shelling of civilian areas even in those towns controlled by ISIS.

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