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Iraq an economic Study

 
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This is from my new buddy, BlueEyesInLevis re: the election.


Deal is.. in a parlimentary system.. a government is formed by coalition.... and with Hakim, Sadr, Nujafi, Barzani's Kurds and the Iraqyia List.. ( Axis of Erbil) they will supplant the National Alliance easily.
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Maliki has NO WAY to form a coalition that will be a majority... in the governement that Allawi is calling to be formed within 45 days. Maliki's days truly are numbered... I seriously doubt he is able to finish his term as PM. He had better start making deals.. or line up a fast Hummvee to take him across the Iranian border....
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Maliki is already outnumbered NOW... even if State Law and Dawa won only as many seats as they now have.. they are on the losing end. If Hakim wins 40 more seats than before.. that is huge... remember all the talk of a quorum is about 160 seats?
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If hakim has 80... and Sadr keeps the 40 he had.. right there is 120... add in the Iraqyia List and the Kurds.. BINGO... the Erbil Axis IS the majority with a quorum every time they meet.
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And... all the Axis has to do is hang together long enough to force the power sharing and a new government. Down the road.. after they have a true GOI.. taxes, tarriffs, WTO membership, currency of value, out of chapter 7, pumping a ton of oil, building infrastructure, taking care of citizens, creating jobs, and havea thriving banking sector... after all that.. they can all argue to their hearts content. It wont matter to me any longer.
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I will wish them the best on their journey... and it will be time for MY JOURNEY to begin
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So when is the election?
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This is from my new buddy, BlueEyesInLevis re: the election.


Deal is.. in a parlimentary system.. a government is formed by coalition.... and with Hakim, Sadr, Nujafi, Barzani's Kurds and the Iraqyia List.. ( Axis of Erbil) they will supplant the National Alliance easily.
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Maliki has NO WAY to form a coalition that will be a majority... in the governement that Allawi is calling to be formed within 45 days. Maliki's days truly are numbered... I seriously doubt he is able to finish his term as PM. He had better start making deals.. or line up a fast Hummvee to take him across the Iranian border....
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Maliki is already outnumbered NOW... even if State Law and Dawa won only as many seats as they now have.. they are on the losing end. If Hakim wins 40 more seats than before.. that is huge... remember all the talk of a quorum is about 160 seats?
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If hakim has 80... and Sadr keeps the 40 he had.. right there is 120... add in the Iraqyia List and the Kurds.. BINGO... the Erbil Axis IS the majority with a quorum every time they meet.
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And... all the Axis has to do is hang together long enough to force the power sharing and a new government. Down the road.. after they have a true GOI.. taxes, tarriffs, WTO membership, currency of value, out of chapter 7, pumping a ton of oil, building infrastructure, taking care of citizens, creating jobs, and havea thriving banking sector... after all that.. they can all argue to their hearts content. It wont matter to me any longer.
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I will wish them the best on their journey... and it will be time for MY JOURNEY to begin
~ Blue.
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So when is the election?
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They just had one. It went well for the good guys. They have another in September. Not sure whether this one is going to make a difference since it was local, but it was a good referendum on Maliki. They don't like him.
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This is from my new buddy, BlueEyesInLevis re: the election.


Deal is.. in a parlimentary system.. a government is formed by coalition.... and with Hakim, Sadr, Nujafi, Barzani's Kurds and the Iraqyia List.. ( Axis of Erbil) they will supplant the National Alliance easily.
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Maliki has NO WAY to form a coalition that will be a majority... in the governement that Allawi is calling to be formed within 45 days. Maliki's days truly are numbered... I seriously doubt he is able to finish his term as PM. He had better start making deals.. or line up a fast Hummvee to take him across the Iranian border....
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Maliki is already outnumbered NOW... even if State Law and Dawa won only as many seats as they now have.. they are on the losing end. If Hakim wins 40 more seats than before.. that is huge... remember all the talk of a quorum is about 160 seats?
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If hakim has 80... and Sadr keeps the 40 he had.. right there is 120... add in the Iraqyia List and the Kurds.. BINGO... the Erbil Axis IS the majority with a quorum every time they meet.
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And... all the Axis has to do is hang together long enough to force the power sharing and a new government. Down the road.. after they have a true GOI.. taxes, tarriffs, WTO membership, currency of value, out of chapter 7, pumping a ton of oil, building infrastructure, taking care of citizens, creating jobs, and havea thriving banking sector... after all that.. they can all argue to their hearts content. It wont matter to me any longer.
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I will wish them the best on their journey... and it will be time for MY JOURNEY to begin
~ Blue.
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So when is the election?
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They just had one. It went well for the good guys. They have another in September. Not sure whether this one is going to make a difference since it was local, but it was a good referendum on Maliki. They don't like him.
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Oh! Okay! Thanks for your patience with my midlle eastern ignorance.
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I hate that I know this stuff. hf
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tlar on the elections:

It looks as though Maliki is defeated in the elections. The electorate voted to remove the cancer of Iran's Khamenei, choosing instead to follow Al-Sistani. Most Shiites do not want to return to conflict with the Sunni's and Kurds. Iraqi's are ready to build a country and their present leadership being lead by Iran is not. Maliki just became a lame duck PM. With the results so far that have come in, I don't think the NA will put Maliki up for PM even if the NA is once again able to get the most MP's. Short of military rule, Maliki is finished. I look for Maliki to attempt something really stupid to create a crisis. It is his last chance to continue to be leader of Iraq. He won't go easy as he goes through his death throws. He has proven that if he can't win at the ballot box, then he will try it another way. By the way guys the Kuwaiti's hate Maliki and they definitely have a vested interest in seeing him gone. You can bet the Kuwaiti's are keeping a close tab on the election results as is Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Turkey and all other countries lined up against Iran. They all want to see Maliki gone and Iraq out of Iran's orbit of influence. These election results may just be the best thing that has happened in Iraq since Maliki took office. Of course an RV would be better.
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Ever wonder if Obama is behind all of us still being poor and Iraqis still living under a brutal dictator (who killed 36 of his fellow citizens today, by the way)? Here's Osama Nujaifi, Speaker of the House in Iraq, with your answer.



Q: Do you believe there is international support for the prime minister?

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Nujafi replied:

Certainly. The Americans and Iranians support Maliki. During his recent visit to Baghdad I met the US secretary of state, John Kerry, and he said, “We see the democratic experience in Iraq collapsing.”

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I answered him: “You are the reason. You prevented his questioning in parliament last year and this year. You and the Iranians are backing Maliki in everything.”

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I told him that this was interference in the affairs of Iraq, and was preventing Iraq from taking the route of democracy. He asked me about the solution for this situation and we presented proposals to him, among them the government’s resignation and the formation of a provisional one or holding early elections on the condition that they were beyond Maliki’s control, because he cannot be trusted in this matter. Maliki decided to postpone the Anbar and Ninawa elections illegally and in a sectarian way and did not consult the Council of Representatives. I say he does not wish the elections to be held in these two provinces so as to incite chaos and encourage the extremists in these areas so he can then tell the Iraqi people that the political process is futile.
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There is the country we love... and then there are the evil politicians in Washington... treating us like vassels... and the Irazqi citizens like pawns in their game of chess. Yes I called them evil. Nujafi just told us... the US stopped the NCV both in 2012 (Before the US election).. and in 2013 ( for god only knows what reason)... the blood of the Iraqi citizens is on the hands of this administration.

Not partisan politics.. just stating the facts as Najaffi just told us. The US stopped them from voting Maliki out both in 2012 and 2013.

In essence.. this US administration STOPPED the RV at least twice now.

I guess we are seeing how Maliki chooses to deal with losing many seats in this election. Time for the opposition to take matters into their own hands and stop this madman.

And once they do take the Big Thug out... watch.. Obama will step in and take credit for it... even after stopping them from doing it for years.... ~ Blue


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Very informative interview with Nujaifi. I feel sick about what is going on over there. Especially because we went over there to free them from the very thing we are now supporting. It is sickening. Shame on the US. I don't blame the List and the Kurds for boycotting. At this point, that is about all they can do. The results of the elections could change the course.

Because of the wealth of Iraq, and because I know the history of the Fed/IMF/WB, I believe there is a plan B which will be implemented if needed. ~ Hi-Five

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What Hi-Five is talking about is that the army has killed protestors at athe sit in a hiiji. The army is apparnatly doing battle with tribesmen in Kirkuk. The army is killing protestors in Anbar.. AGAIN. The road is gonna get mighty bumpy. I hate to say it.. but this is the price of iraqi freedom. Good men will have to sacrifce their lives to over come the US backed dictator.
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And then we wonder why the citizens turn to the Muslim Brotherhood?
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Ever wonder if Obama is behind all of us still being poor and Iraqis still living under a brutal dictator (who killed 36 of his fellow citizens today, by the way)? Here's Osama Nujaifi, Speaker of the House in Iraq, with your answer.



Q: Do you believe there is international support for the prime minister?

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Nujafi replied:

Certainly. The Americans and Iranians support Maliki. During his recent visit to Baghdad I met the US secretary of state, John Kerry, and he said, “We see the democratic experience in Iraq collapsing.”

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I answered him: “You are the reason. You prevented his questioning in parliament last year and this year. You and the Iranians are backing Maliki in everything.”

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I told him that this was interference in the affairs of Iraq, and was preventing Iraq from taking the route of democracy. He asked me about the solution for this situation and we presented proposals to him, among them the government’s resignation and the formation of a provisional one or holding early elections on the condition that they were beyond Maliki’s control, because he cannot be trusted in this matter. Maliki decided to postpone the Anbar and Ninawa elections illegally and in a sectarian way and did not consult the Council of Representatives. I say he does not wish the elections to be held in these two provinces so as to incite chaos and encourage the extremists in these areas so he can then tell the Iraqi people that the political process is futile.
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There is the country we love... and then there are the evil politicians in Washington... treating us like vassels... and the Irazqi citizens like pawns in their game of chess. Yes I called them evil. Nujafi just told us... the US stopped the NCV both in 2012 (Before the US election).. and in 2013 ( for god only knows what reason)... the blood of the Iraqi citizens is on the hands of this administration.

Not partisan politics.. just stating the facts as Najaffi just told us. The US stopped them from voting Maliki out both in 2012 and 2013.

In essence.. this US administration STOPPED the RV at least twice now.

I guess we are seeing how Maliki chooses to deal with losing many seats in this election. Time for the opposition to take matters into their own hands and stop this madman.

And once they do take the Big Thug out... watch.. Obama will step in and take credit for it... even after stopping them from doing it for years.... ~ Blue


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Very informative interview with Nujaifi. I feel sick about what is going on over there. Especially because we went over there to free them from the very thing we are now supporting. It is sickening. Shame on the US. I don't blame the List and the Kurds for boycotting. At this point, that is about all they can do. The results of the elections could change the course.

Because of the wealth of Iraq, and because I know the history of the Fed/IMF/WB, I believe there is a plan B which will be implemented if needed. ~ Hi-Five

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What Hi-Five is talking about is that the army has killed protestors at athe sit in a hiiji. The army is apparnatly doing battle with tribesmen in Kirkuk. The army is killing protestors in Anbar.. AGAIN. The road is gonna get mighty bumpy. I hate to say it.. but this is the price of iraqi freedom. Good men will have to sacrifce their lives to over come the US backed dictator.
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And then we wonder why the citizens turn to the Muslim Brotherhood?
~ Blue
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I don't doubt Obama's negative influence in Iraq and backing a dictator like Maliki, but wouldn't an RV be beneficial to the US? So why is big O doing this?
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Cloward-Piven, Me Too. Remember that one from all your economic research?

Let's just hope Bush put in a strong Plan B, and the Iraqis are able to stand up to their dictator. The recent elections were a good start, and CBI seems to be standing up to Maliki, rescinding his order to shut down sales of the dollar through Rasheed Bank. They've got a lot of help from folks from the IMF, World Bank, and FedRes in Baghdad, too, which, I'm hoping, is Plan B. Insulate the banking from the politics.

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Cloward-Piven: Crash the system and implement the glorious socialist revolution.

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The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward (1926–2001) and Frances Fox Piven (b. 1932) that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty". Cloward and Piven were a married couple who were both professors at the Columbia University School of Social Work. The strategy was formulated in a May 1966 article in liberal[1] magazine The Nation titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty".[2]
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So, Maliki attacked a protest and killed a bunch of people near Kirkuk today, and then lobbed a few missiles at a mosque in the east of the country. I'm gonna post a bunch of articles with some reaction. Looks like the good guys have finally had enough and are ready to remove the dictator. Let's hope they can hold it together long enough to actually do it this time, and our government doesn't get in the way again.


Emir of Dulaim states that protestors' main demand now is to topple Maliki's Government
April 23 - 2013

Ramadi (NINA) - Emir of Dulaim Tribes, Sheikh Ali Hatim al-Sulayman, said that protestors in Anbar have replaced their demands with only one demand, which is to topple Maliki's Government.

In a speech at the sit-in square on Tuesday, Apr. 23, al- Sulayman said that Army Commander, Ali Ghaidan, will have a difficult time in being held answerable to the Iraqi people for the crime against humanity he has committed.

Al- Sulayman called on tribes in Anbar and other Iraqi provinces to carry arms for defending themselves and the Army is to choose between either to stay in its barracks, or join the protestors or it has to leave the province.

He added, "We will not be responsible for the military forces' movements and interference in the cities and towns of Anbar, because there are people demanding for the blood of their sons killed in cold blood by the military. / End.
[link to www.ninanews....?ar95_VQ=GHHIHD]

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Barazani: Using the Army in political disputes is a constitutional violation



23/04/2013 23:54:00

Erbil (NINA) – President of Kurdistan Region, Massoud Barazani, said that the use of the Army in political disputes and domestic issues is a constitutional violation and the principles of state.

A statement by the Presidency of Kurdistan Region said that Barazani received the President of Kurdistan Journalist Union, accompanied with his deputy and members of the Union's board.

The statement quoted Barazani condemning today's events in Hawija that resulted in the fall of a large number of casualties resulted from using the Army there. / End.

[link to www.ninanews....?ar95_VQ=GHHIHJ]

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It will NOT turn into a Civil war. Sistani has issued a fatwah against the shedding of Iraqi Blood. Maliki and his army violated that religous command. As horrendous as it has been.. this is probably the straw tha broke the camels back.

Will there be more bloodshed? Probably. It wil NOT advance to the point of civil war.

Maliki using the army as a weapon is MUCH different than the people of Iraq rising up and doing battle against each other. It is likely one of his own soldiers will shoot him. If not.. The UN /US can easily step in, there are troops close by... Many, many troops.

This is NOT going to become a Civil War. No one loves maliki that much. They know he is a loose cannon. Even his few remaining supporters are likely to abandon him soon. Hakim is against him. Sadr is against him The people know he is a tool of Iran. This will NOT degenerate into a Civil War. ~ Blue

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Barazani: Using the Army in political disputes is a constitutional violation

April 23 2013

Erbil (NINA) – President of Kurdistan Region, Massoud Barazani, said that the use of the Army in political disputes and domestic issues is a constitutional violation and the principles of state.

A statement by the Presidency of Kurdistan Region said that Barazani received the President of Kurdistan Journalist Union, accompanied with his deputy and members of the Union's board.

The statement quoted Barazani condemning today's events in Hawija that resulted in the fall of a large number of casualties resulted from using the Army there. / End.
[link to www.ninanews....?ar95_VQ=GHHIHJ]


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Jumaily says that there are contacts with UN, EU to put an end to Maliki's behaviors
23/04/2013 22:29:00

Baghdad (NINA) – Leader of Iraqiya Parliamentary bloc, Salman al-Jumaily, said that there are contacts between Iraqiya leaders and the United Nations, the European Union and the international organizations to put an end to Maliki's actions, because Iraq is under the UN umbrella.

In statement to the press on Tuesday, Apr. 23, Jumaily said that Iraqiya will not decide withdrawing from Parliament, pointing out the existence of movements and contacts with the National Alliance, the Kurdish Alliance and the Sadrist Trend to replace Maliki or withdraw confidence from his government.

He added that Iraqiya leaders scheduled a meeting on Wednesday to discuss events in Hawija and take a decision on them. / End.

[link to www.ninanews....?ar95_VQ=GHHIGI]
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unfortunately one of the US strategies for keeping the US dollar strong is dollarizing other countries. Iraqi is just one of them.
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Are you saying they're gonna stay dollarized, ts? Can't see it, man. They'll never attract much more foreign investment than they currently have without an internationally traded currency of their own. Doesn't mean they can't keep taking petrodollars for their oil. No major players don't have their own money. Panama is the biggest country I know of that only uses USD instead of its own money.

Meanwhile, in Iraqi politics...

After the rise of al-Maliki's allies in the provincial elections, imminent collapse within the ranks of the coalition of state law!!

Read more: [link to dinarvets.com]

Maliki lost 80 seats in the provincial councils, despite his alliance with the Badr and virtue, and al-Jaafari 24/4/2013 | (Voice of Iraq) -Baghdad / Wael

[link to www.sotaliraq.com]

BlueEyesInLevis:
He lost 80 seats.. and then today he threw a temper tantrum and attacked the protestors, IN DIRECT RESPONSE. There can be no other way to look at it.. he attacked the citizens in anger and retribution for the way they voted...As if he could barely hold back during the campaigning when they failed to show up at his bogus rallies..(Even in his hometown of Karbala) and the minute the elections were over he lashed out by releasing his army and they murdered citizens in his name... I hope he feels better now. NOT.
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So.. how many more did you lose today , Maliki? How long until Jafaari finaly pulls away... and Badr? How long can those guys hang out with you if you are channeling Al Pacino in SCARFACE?


Papster:
thats why you see the state of law asking for a national conference ...........when was the last time we heard about a national conference.........that is .what we all have been waiting for.......the elections have turned against maliki and.the rats are jumping ship...............malikis will soon see what " every man for yourself" feels like...............imo the line is drawn in the sand and by may 22nd they have got to do something......no matter what they do.........they have to **** or get off the pot........so to speak........they have alot too loose ...........about 60 billion.......watch how fast the opposition moves against maliki..........a wise man once told us all.........to follow the bread crums.............follow them and.imo........we will know our fate real soon........jmho........GO DINAR

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Doubt that they will keep Iraq dollarized for much longer, just saying that it is part of the US strategy to dollarize other countries as a way of insuring a strong dollar. That has been their policy, but these days who knows. Seems they are between a rock and a hard place. I think that they have a plan and its on track and who ever runs Iraq will do their bidding, no matter what they campaign on, much like here in the US. They all sound so great until they get elected and then TPTB lay down the law to the newly elected politicians and things turn around quickly.

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A very bad day for Maliki. Top religious clerics have ordered a (FATWA) meaning a degree or order for the National Alliance to replace Maliki and if they do not than then the citizens will start taking up arms again to protect themselves against Maliki’s government.. I don’t think that Maliki will survive this one… The UN is really angry, Kobler was turned away from the area where the army attacked the citizens by the Maliki’s army ~ Street
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Mtzaheroa Samarra demanding reference and the National Alliance to oust al-Maliki and threaten to carry arms openly
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Mtzaheroa student right field in the province of Samarra, THE RELIGIOUS AUTHORITY IN NAJAF TO OUST MALIKI, OR ASKING HIM TO RESIGN AND LEAVE THEM THE OPTION OF CHOOSING AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THOSE THAT BELIEVE HE IS BEST SUITED TO LEAD IRAQ
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And the spokesman for the demonstrators successful Abbas balance in a statement delivered at the Square demonstrations "It is not permitted for the Shiites to take the prime minister and leave from killing us and violates Hrmatna and otherwise we consider that the reference and the National Alliance are tasked with al-Maliki to kill us this way suspicious groups.
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The spokesman for the demonstrators called for all the elders of the Middle Euphrates provinces and south to declare their innocence of associate of the armed forces who participated in the killing of our children in Hawija, Fallujah, Mosul and issue a order to all the sons of their families and all of the same begging him kill innocent sons of the year.
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And the balance, "SAID ASSOCIATE OTHERWISE WILL PURSUE JUDICIAL AND MILITARY " Wazzjh "MEANS TRIBAL REVENGE, AND BECAUSE OF THE SILENCE ON THE ACTIONS OF AL-MALIKI WILL RETURN AGAIN AND GOOD COOPERATION, OTHERWISE, WE CONSIDER YOU ORDERED THE KILLING OF OUR CHILDREN.
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He warned balance "IN CASE OF FAILURE TO RESPOND TO OUR DEMANDS, ALL OPTIONS WILL BE OPEN TO US, THE FIRST OPENLY CARRYING WEAPONS FOR SELF-DEFENSE, A RIGHT GUARANTEED BY ISLAM AND THE CUSTOMS AND LAWS, INCLUDING A FATWA BY SHEIKH AL-SAADI, THE IRAQI SHEIKH M
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Sounds like Maliki's day are numbered to be sure. He must have crossed the US and now will pay the price. Could mean an RV is in the making if delaying an RV is at the root of his problems, which it very well could be, based on their timeline.
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Sounds like Maliki's day are numbered to be sure. He must have crossed the US and now will pay the price. Could mean an RV is in the making if delaying an RV is at the root of his problems, which it very well could be, based on their timeline.
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If yesterday's violence isn't the last straw, nothing is. Check out these articles. Official results are coming in on the elections and it looks like our boy Maliki now officially got his ass handed to him, and there's a fatwa from Sistani, the supreme Shiite authority, to remove him or have him resign. Oh, and they're also already talking about removing Turki and putting Shabibi back in his position as CBI governor.



Urgent….Maliki's Party fails in winning seats in Najaf, Dhi Qar
Wednesday, 24 April 2013 17:27 | | |

Baghdad (AIN) -The initial results of the local elections of Iraq showed that the ruling political party (Islamic Dawa Party) headed by the Premier Nouri al-Maliki included in the State of Law Coalition did not get any seat in Najaf and Dhi Qar provincial councils.
Informed source told AIN "The initial results of the provincial elections showed that Maliki's Party did not win any seat in these two provinces and that the votes went to the blocs allied with the Party within the SLC."
"Dawa Party got only two seats out of 15 seats the SLC got in Basra," the source added. /End/
[link to www.alliraqnews.com]

Economic parliamentary: political crises and the lack of clarity of the central bank's policy led to the fluctuation of exchange rates of the dollar
{Baghdad: Euphrates News} confirmed member of the Committee on Economy and Investment parliamentary Nora Salem said the problems and political crises witnessed by the country and the lack of clarity of the central bank's policy led to the fluctuation of exchange rates الدولا against the Iraqi dinar.
She said Salem told {Euphrates News} on Wednesday that "the central bank need to have sufficient experience to his administration," pointing out that "the Governor of the Bank's New Abdul Basit Turki does not have sufficient experience to run the central bank He has experience working in the BSA" .
She added that "the political side became negatively affect the policy of the Central Bank," pointing out that "the government does not pay the importance of monetary policy in the country."
And goes economists that the reasons for poor fiscal policy of the country, especially monetary and fluctuating exchange rate of the dinar against the dollar, many, focusing on the political differences that disrupted a lot of things the state and weakened, including fiscal policy or monetary, as well as the conditions of the country's current overall especially the security situation and its repercussions serious citizens and life in the country. انتهى 2 Ended 2
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I may be a hopeless romantic for these poor, oppressed Iraqis, but I think the good guys may actually mean business this time.

Invest in rope.



Mahma Khalil: Maliki policy pay to civil war or the return of U.S. troops to Iraq

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Criticized the Kurdistan Alliance MP Mahma Khalil, on Wednesday, the policy of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki with the rest of the components of the Iraqi people, and stressed that the policy paid to the "risk of partition and civil war or internationalization of the Iraqi file as a prelude to re-American forces of the country, as a student of the National Alliance to" take stand firm and deterrent to stop this policy and radically changed before it is too late. "

Said Mahma Khalil in a statement received (Presse term) a copy of it, that "serious policy pursued by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki central right of other parties and most recently the massacre of Hawija, reflect a determination to political marginalization and exclusion, procrastination and indifference to the right of the demands of others."

Khalil added that "this dangerous policy will lead the country to two options only two, the first is the risk of civil war and partition of the country, and the other is the internationalization of the Iraq dossier preparation for U.S. forces back to their bases in Iraq."

Khalil stressed that "these two options mean the collapse of the national unity and the unity of the country and the collapse of the political process, democracy and compromising its sovereignty and independence, strength and weight regional and international levels."

Asked Khalil blocks were part of the National Alliance to "take a firm stand and a deterrent to stop this policy, which harm the reputation of Iraq and weaken its role and its relations with its regional and international levels and adversely affect the relationship with the National Alliance with the rest of the political blocs and political partners and impede access to political stability conducive to achieving a true partnership in state administration and state-building in accordance with the foundations of democracy away from any dictatorship trends or confinement in governing the country. "

A security source in Salahuddin province, said in an interview to the (long-Presse), on Wednesday (April 24, 2013), that unidentified gunmen seized almost entirely on hand Sulaiman Bek, east of Tikrit, and pointed out that the security forces clashed with militants supporting aircraft helicopter in an attempt to restore hand, while pointing out that 12 civilians had been killed and wounded by helicopter fire, many families were displaced outside the because of clashes unit.

And experienced hand Sulaiman Bek's to spend Tuz Khurmatu, (90 km east of Tikrit), on Tuesday, (23 April 2013), killing and wounding at least eight members of the security forces charged with protecting the headquarters of the police directorate in terms, clashes armed with unknowns.

Saw Salahuddin province, on Tuesday, killing and wounding 16 members of the Iraqi army, an armed attack was carried out by unidentified weapons machine guns and hand grenades military force of the Iraqi army coming from Muthanna airport in Baghdad, as it passed in the washer on the science, (10 km east of Tikrit), while Insurgents set fire to seven military vehicles.

The sources said security in the provinces of Kirkuk, Salahuddin, on Tuesday, (23 April 2013), that at least 13 insurgents were killed in a series of attacks suffered the Iraqi army forces in southern and south-west of Kirkuk, north of Salah al-Din, Tikrit, after hours of operation break into the Iraqi army to sit in Hawija Square.

Came the events in response to the incident storming Square sit-in Hawija, on Tuesday the 23rd of April 2013, which resulted in the killing and wounding at least 120 of the protesters and the loss and the arrest of hundreds of others, while the Ministry of Defence announced Iraq, on Tuesday, it attacked Square sit-in after he refused sitters to obey an order to leave the arena and exposed to fire from the protesters, and confirmed that it suffered three dead and nine wounded troops carried out a raid Square sit-in Hawija, confirmed that the operation killed 20 "terrorists" who were holed up in the courtyard of the protest and the arrest of 75 others, indicating that it had found 45 pieces of weapons and bombs and sharp machines inside the arena.

And lead military operations in Hawija Iraqi ground forces commander Ali Ghaidan, who resides in the judiciary since Friday.

After storming Square Hawija, on Tuesday, the 23 of April 2013, rebelled clans in the provinces of Kirkuk, Salahuddin and Mosul, Anbar and published thousands of children heavily armed and launched dozens of attacks on military posts and away in those provinces, killing and wounding dozens of parties.

The security sources and officials in Kirkuk province, confirmed, on Tuesday, that at least 120 of the protests are Hawija had been killed and wounded forces fire operations Tigris in the storming of the yard carried out at dawn, stressing that those forces took control of the scene in full and the burning tents and arresting dozens, While parents began a distress call through the media to donate blood for the wounded, stressing that the army opened fire randomly on the protestors.

The storm Square sit-in Hawija after hours to prevent Operations Command Tigris, on Monday evening, (April 22 2013), a parliamentary delegation from entering the Square sit-in Hawija to deliver supplies to protestors, was described as the leader of the (block united) MP Ahmed electrodes, one of the members of the The delegation, the situation of the protesters as "tragic", while called for a political solution or the intervention of the United Nations, al-Maliki warned of any military action against the arena "because it may spark a battle in the whole of Iraq."

The intrusion after less than 24 hours to declare the Iraqi Defense Ministry, the first on Monday, (April 22 2013), that a cell of the crisis and have established procedures to prevent "extremists and terrorists" from infiltrating into squares sit-in, while confirming a "solutions vessels" to combat "terrorist organizations . "

Saw Square sit-in Hawija, after Friday prayers in (19 April 2013), clashes near a checkpoint joint army and police forces near the Square sit-in, accusing the army command demonstrators attacked the point, and causing the "battle" that killed one soldier and wounded the two others, while protesters say, that the army is responsible for the accident, and affirm the death of one of them and wounding two others as well.

The Iraqi List led by Iyad Allawi called, on Tuesday (23 April 2013), the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces Nouri al-Maliki and Minister of Defense Agency Saadoun al-Dulaimi to "resign" after the killing and wounding hundreds in the process of storming Square sit-in Hawija, confirmed that the head of the government record "failure of new "In dealing with the case, as pointed out it will continue to meet out a final position" may be to withdraw from the political process. "

And condemned the cleric Abdul-Malik al-Saadi, on Tuesday, "aggression," the government's Square sit-in Hawija, and stressed that it did so in Action "will be held accountable in this world and the hereafter," In a single called on the demonstrators to defend themselves vigorously, he stressed it except it must protestors restraint to miss an opportunity against the aggressors.

With warned the Liberal bloc of the Sadrist movement, on Tuesday, (23 April 2013), from an internal war ominous in the event of extension events Hawija to other provinces, "and called on the Iraqi army in Hawija to" Do not use excessive force, "and stressed that it was be better to "The Ministry of the Interior is responsible for criminal and not the army," a claim to contain it through clan and religious leaders, dignitaries and politicians.

And Dan Matsamu Anbar strongly the storming Square sit-in Hawija, Dawn, on Tuesday, (23 April 2013), and accused Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki as "Enter the country in hell," and confirmed that they were holding an urgent meeting is to take a position on what happened, while attacked the Minister of Finance Outgoing Issawi Government strongly, and stressed that what was in Hawija, "is the crime of genocide sectarian," and urged the United Nations as Hawija "City of disaster" and the Arab League to intervene, to declare after turning demonstrations of peace to war, and called on "all clans and armed factions" to Autism's "Hawija victory against the Safavid government, stressed the need for the trial of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and his military commanders internationally as" war criminals. "

It is noteworthy that Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, attacked at the promotion of the list (a coalition of state law), which led, in the court of the city of Nasiriyah, (Center for Dhi Qar province, 350 km south of Baghdad), in (the 16th of April 2013 now), demonstrators and protesters strongly, describing them as "rebels" and warned of "Last Stand" If you do not return to an understanding on the basis of "the Constitution and national unity," rather than the threat of force, adding that I have "patience them a lot because they are our brothers, but they have to believe that very seriously and ended the opportunity is no longer wise to avail with these rebels will be our last interview and the Iraqi people's position will not be too far away, "he continued threat," but concern for the blood of Iraqis may require us responsible attitude in accounting for all who go out the law. "



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Maliki is in big trouble, Just remember the UN told him and warned him more than a few times, HANDS OF THE DEMOSTRATORS… yes they are sovereign but committing human rights violations (killing innocent citizens) will activate the UNs ability to have you removed by force if necessary, but they will do it politically. They have the clout and support from both Shiite & Sunni top Clerics & I’m betting the international community


The heat is on the National Alliance to replace Maliki… I seriously doubt they will go to an interim Gov, here is why. All of the MPs would lose their jobs, then they will go to early elections and we are seeing what has just happened to The Dawa & State of Law blocks, they lost the majority of their seats already… This is up to the NA, if they don’t replace him they will all be out of their jobs and the financial benefits that they get from not only their salaries but from knowing in advance what properties to buy up before the investment companies come in the build projects for the citizens (shopping malls, housing projects, industrial sites, you get my point) areas of Iraq will be zoned for certain projects and these guys will have the inside track on those properties and buy them ahead of time…. Not to mention that they will lose their protection & security personnel, and I’m sure that many have made enemies…Also they will lose their diplomatic immunity (not good) for many of them….
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Iraqi Dinar Stabilization
Will the Dinar be Revaluated?

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By Joseph Cafariello
Wednesday, April 24th, 2013
For a nation that has only recently come out of decades of dictatorship, war, and mismanagement, Iraq’s currency—the dinar—has been remarkably stable.
Perhaps too stable. Something is going on with the Iraqi dinar.
Source: XE.com
(Chart shows dinar per $1 USD. Descending plotlines indicate dinar strength.)
After a gradual strengthening from 2007 to 2009, the Iraqi government decided it wanted a weaker dinar in early 2010, and the currency has remained remarkably stable ever since.
A couple of months ago, however, the currency abruptly strengthened against the USD, as can be seen by the sharp drop at the far right. Immediately, the Central Bank of Iraq scrambled to weaken the dinar back to 2012 target levels.
Why? Isn’t it supposed to keep strengthening? After all, Iraq has the world’s second largest oil reserves. What ever happened to that highly anticipated revaluation? Is the CBI deliberately weakening its own money?
CBI Control
One short sentence answers all these questions: the Central Bank of Iraq regulates the flow of money through controlled auctions.
Needless to say, this is not normal. In most other countries, money can be easily exchanged into a number of currencies at the will and whim of any citizen. The exchange rates are allowed to move freely according to the forces of supply and demand, interest rates, etc.
According to Middle East e-paper Al-Monitor:
“Every day since 2004, the CBI has held an auction through which hard currency is sold to banks, companies and traders in exchange for evidence of import and transaction receipts. The auctions aim to prevent market speculation and stabilize the exchange rate of Iraqi dinars to the US dollar.”
The purpose of these auctions is to control the IQD:USD exchange rate by controlling the amount of USD circulating in Iraq. At these auctions, USD is issued exclusively to banks, companies and traders for the purpose of conducting business transactions with foreign entities (ie: importers, securities traders, banks, etc).
By controlling the amount of USD available in Iraq, the Iraqi government controls the value of the USD relative to its own currency, thereby stabilizing the dinar. It is as close as you can get to an outright currency peg.
Cracking Down on Auction Abuses
Things were going really great for years, until evidence turned up that some buyers at these auctions were falsifying their transaction receipts, enabling them to purchase more USD than their business activity legitimately entitled them to have.
The government believes much of the excess dollars purchased were smuggled across the border into Iran, which has a shortage of hard international currency due to sanctions. Money laundering and black market demand account for the remainder of auction abuses.
When it came to light earlier this year that more USD had made it into circulation than was officially thought, the value of the USD relative to the dinar abruptly dropped and the dinar rose. The supply/demand ratio dictates that the more supply you have of something, the cheaper its value. More USD in circulation than previously thought meant a cheaper USD, which meant a stronger dinar. Hence the sudden inverted spike at the right of the chart.
Following the recent arrest of the CBI’s former governor, Sinan al-Shabibi, the CBI has introduced additional auction controls, as Al-Monitor explains:
“The CBI prohibited any bank or company with capital of less than $400,000 from taking part in the currency auction. Additionally, all participants had to submit their [transaction receipts] to the criminal division in the Ministry of Interior, the economic crime unit and the money-laundering division of the CBI for approval.”
Reducing the number of buyers at the auctions meant reducing the amount of USD making it into circulation, strengthening the USD relative to the Iraqi dinar, and weakening the dinar back to that desired 2012 target level.

Anger Over Weakening Dinar
Iraqi citizens and businesses who do not have dealings with foreign entities are understandably angered by CBI controls aimed at keeping the dinar weak. A weak currency means citizens and businesses need to pay more for goods and services, especially since so many goods are still being imported from abroad.
Iraqi parliament’s Amin Abbas stressed to Al-Monitor that the CBI must take “full responsibility for the fall of the … Iraqi dinar … because of its restrictive measures in granting permits to exchange companies.” And Mohammed Khalil, an official on Iraq’s Economic and Investment Committee, accused the CBI of deliberately “hinder[ing] the flow of US dollars into the market.”
Others are pinning the blame on Iraqi banks, as Al-Monitor informs:
“Hussein al-Yasiri said some banks have stopped selling dollars to regular customers and instead have been selling them to exchange companies. This has prompted Iraqis to buy dollars from the exchange companies at prices favorable to the companies. The exchanges are not subject to government monitoring.”
And Iranian involvement is still suspected by Ahmed al-Alwani, head of the Iraqi parliament’s economic committee, who believes Iran is supplying Iraqi partners with false trade receipts in order to obtain USD from the auctions.
But Ahmed Bureihi, a former senior official at the CBI, denied such accusations. “Iran has nothing to do with the increased exchange rate,” he told Al-Monitor. “The CBI sells foreign currency to Iraqi customers to be used in funding trade transactions outside the country.” “There are Iraqi traders who defraud the CBI and provide counterfeit documents of virtual imports to Iraq. However … this has nothing to do with political issues.”
Oil Revenues Spent
For its part, the government has a simple explanation for the dinar’s weaker value back to 2012 levels: the country spent it down.
“A former senior official at the CBI [Bureihi] said the rise is linked to increased government revenue from oil sales, leading to an increase in government spending,” Al-Monitor explains.
Bureihi then describes a very logical chain reaction that stems from these increasing oil revenues, which really is a bona fide explanation. “Oil revenue increased, which in turn increased government spending.” “The increase in government spending means higher per-capita income. [When] spending increases, there is an increased need for importing goods. Providing these goods requires an increased demand for foreign currency, which led to the increased exchange rate [for USD].”
On the dinar’s side of that equation, as more oil is exported, more revenue is generated, and the nation becomes wealthier “per capita”. Enabled by this increased wealth, the government starts funding sorely needed rebuilding and expansion projects on infrastructure, energy, education, health care, and industry. In so doing, it pumps more of its local currency into circulation, which in turn weakens it.
This is a valid explanation for the stronger USD and weaker IQD. However, what the CBI is reluctant to admit is that apart from these increased oil revenues, the government is controlling the dinar’s exchange rate by controlling the amount of USD in circulation via its daily auctions.
It will only let into the economy the same amount of USD that is leaving the country. “X-amount” pumped in equals “X-amount” wired out. The balance of USD in circulation stays unchanged, and thus the exchange rate stays the same.
(Actually, the CBI does have to pump in very slightly more USD than is going out of the country in order to apply upward lift to the dinar as a counter to the downward push on the dinar exerted by the increased spending described earlier. Spending pushes the dinar down, USD auctions lift the dinar up, cancelling each other out to keep the exchange rate flat and steady.)
What About the Revaluation?
But what ever happened to that dinar revaluation everyone has been expecting? Even I wrote about it a couple months back (Dinar Speculation).
All over the web you will find plenty of investors who expect the Iraqi government will be forced to revalue its currency upward. Iraq has the world’s second largest oil reserves, and it is rapidly increasing its production and exports. The International Energy Agency recently projected Iraq's oil output to more than double in the next decade.
So the revenue is there. Unfortunately, so is the spending. Remember, Iraq is still rebuilding from decades of dictatorship, war, and mismanagement. The economy is in shambles, and social services are appalling. Any money coming in through oil exports is quickly being spent on reconstruction and industry, not to mention its debt burden.
This is why the CBI is going to such great lengths to control the amount of USD in circulation through auctions. It wants to keep the dinar cheap. Not too cheap so as to introduce hyper inflation. But cheap enough to maximize the value of its import income and get as much construction and labor for its money as it can.
What if it takes another 5 or 10 years for that revaluation to come? Might there be better returns elsewhere? Investors have to weigh the pros and cons and make their own investment choices.
If one still believes the global economy will once again run full steam ahead, then metals such as copper, iron, and steel will be in great demand, as will lumber.
If one still believes the global credit crises are not over, then precious metals will also be in demand, such as gold and silver. Who knows, perhaps this recent pull-back is a good entry point; no one knows for sure.
And there is always the stock market, which is remarkably resilient given the Federal Reserve’s easy money policy. Wealth Daily provides valuable trading information to help you make the right choices for you.
Perhaps the most crucial variable in any investment formula is time. You can have a sure-fire bet in a stock, gold, or even the Iraqi dinar. But how much time will you be waiting for it to pay off? Could you score better returns elsewhere over that same period of time?
Joseph Cafariello
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OMG.... so how does it look for the dinar? Is all this good or bad? And - anytime soon?
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It's really good, calin. Maliki stopped the monetary reform twice last year, most recently by filing bogus charges against Shabibi last September. He's a brutal dictator and the biggest obstacle to economic progress in Iraq, and the sooner he goes, the better. They've recently cleared Shabibi of the charges, and he says as soon as Maliki's gone and they formally drop the charges, he will return. Right on time for the May 22 DFI protection expiration, incidentally. Check this out from my new friend, Street...


Maliki and his goons in the army are in deep shit according to Shiite clerics and what is being spoken over the loud speakers at the Shiite mosques… the gave the NA 48 hrs to deal with Maliki and goons saying that they are to be charged with article 9 of the constitution (war crimes) and all Shiites should stand in solidarity with the Sunnis & Kurds against Maliki & any gov personnel that takes up arms and kills an innocent Iraq citizen will be charged with article 9… Shiite clerics said that they are done with Maliki’s crap, their words not mine ~ Street

I talked with Street - notes here

They were already planning to take Maliki out after the election.. but he gave
to them on a silver platter the way forward. ~ Blue

"Maliki just handed them Article 9" ~ said Street

Article 9 in Constitution - War Crimes - "You will be charged along with Maliki"
~ Clerics to the Army

Vic - "99 people out of 100 try to break out of jail.... Maliki just broke into jail."

35 MP's left Maliki's government today...
Maliki only has like 10 Parlimentary MP's on his side....
The 48 hours Vic mentioned is up Friday...

Estimated election results....
60 seats of 421..... and the 2 he won in are challenged because of the extra votes of the military
16,000 votes doubled - soldiers voted as military AND the next day as Civilians.
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Sadrists: Maliki bucking guidance and reference it to withdraw the army from Hawija and other cities
24-04-2013 | (Voice of Iraq)

Range Press / Karbala
Renewed Liberal bloc of the Sadrist movement, on Wednesday, criticism of "harsh" for the position of head of government of the events of Hawija (55 km southwest of Kirkuk), usually the attack on the demonstrators, "is illegal and contrary to the directives of the religious authority", demanding the withdrawal of troops from cities and Accounting "assaulted" the demonstrators and meet their demands "legitimate".

The MP for the Liberal bloc, Iman al-Moussawi, said in an interview to (range Press), said that "what we see today of violent incidents in Hawija and other cities very unfortunate and could have been avoided and non-delivery of the situation to what got them now," noting that "the sons Hawija Iraqis and their demands are realistic and legitimate, it is possible be met without the use of arms. "

And considered al-Moussawi, that "the great disaster that we have reached is the use of the army and arms inside the cities, and against the people of insulation instead of using it to defend the borders of the country's foreign," asserting that "the use of weapons against unarmed constitutes a major violation of international laws and conventions and human rights standards."

The Liberal bloc, warned yesterday of "an internal war ominous in the event of extension events Hawija to other provinces," and called on the Iraqi army in Hawija to "Do not use excessive force," and stressed that it was better to "The Ministry of the Interior responsible for the file The army is not criminal, "claim to contain it through clan and religious leaders, dignitaries and politicians.

While describing the cleric, Muqtada al-Sadr, in a statement received (range Press) a copy of it on Tuesday also, what happened in Hawija as a "massacre" and called for "the formation of a parliamentary committee," and go to Hawija after an immediate cease-fire, andexpressed surprise at the the Iraqi government to "open a new door for non-violence and excessive project," while representative called on the United Nations to adopt a "clear position without kowtow to the party," asserting that "the crime of today will lead to undesirable consequences."

She explained the MP for the Liberal bloc, Iman al-Moussawi, that "the disposal of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, defective and non-legitimate," indicating that "it is inappropriate Maliki to act in isolation with his own people in this way."

She Musawi, "since the beginning of the demonstrations and speak the words of the government and politicians as with terrorists and murderers and outlaws," afterthought "but we have not seen this on the ground, but the opposite was the security forces is one of the assault on the protesters and unarmed worshipers who have committed themselves Bslmah demonstrations and mobility."

And saw an MP for the Liberal bloc, that "it is possible that the government do its intelligence apparatus to root out terrorists who claim to be among the demonstrations with ease and without the use of arms," loaded "the prime minister responsibility for what happened in Hawija and its repercussions in the rest of the cities."

And considered al-Musawi, that "al-Maliki did not abide by the directives of religious reference, which demanded more than once valley sedition and not to expose the country to the risk of infighting,"emphasizing that "it reached a difficult stage and the prime minister to withdraw troops from Hawija and the rest of the city centers and send special committees and to investigate and resolve the serious problemsof the provinces that have seen violence and accounting attacked the demonstrators and meet their legitimate demands. "

The security sources and officials in Kirkuk province, confirmed, onTuesday, that at least 120 of the protests are Hawija had been killed and wounded forces fire operations Tigris in the storming of the yard carried out at dawn, stressing that those forces took control of the scene in full and the burning tents and arresting dozens, While parentsbegan a distress call through the media to donate blood for the wounded, stressing that the army opened fire randomly on the protestors.

The storm Square sit-in Hawija after hours to prevent Operations Command Tigris, on Monday evening, (the 22 of April 2013 now), and a parliamentary delegation from entering the Square sit-in Hawija to deliver supplies to protestors, was described as the leader of the (block united) MP Ahmed electrodes, which One member of the delegation, the situation of the protesters as "tragic", while called for a politicalsolution or the intervention of the United Nations, al-Maliki warned of any military action against the arena "because it may spark a battle in the whole of Iraq."

The intrusion after less than 24 hours to declare the Iraqi Defense Ministry, the first on Monday, (April 22 2013), that a cell of the crisis and have established procedures to prevent "extremists and terrorists" from infiltrating into squares sit-in, while confirming a "solutionsvessels" to combat "terrorist organizations . "

Saw Square sit-in Hawija, after Friday prayers in (19 April 2013), clashes near a checkpoint joint army and police forces near the Square sit-in, accusing the army command demonstrators attacked the point, and causing the "battle" that killed one soldier and wounded the two others, while protesters say, that the army is responsible for the accident, and affirm the death of one of them and wounding two others as well.

And met with the threat of military forces broke into the yard sit Hawija reactions condemns this attempt as it attacked a prominent cleric Abdul-Malik al-Saadi, on (April 21 2013), strongly Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, and accused him of بزج army to suppress the "unarmed demonstrators demanding their rights," and when he called on the army to "Do not listen to the owners," the military warned strongly against storming Square sit-in Hawija, or exposure of the demonstrators, saying that the military will not survive "the wrath of the Mujahideen."

He called on religious scholars in Kirkuk, on Tuesday, the central government to the need to "withdraw immediately" military forces from the province and stop the "killing of innocent people" and work hard not to expand the Department of "sedition", demanding the local government "immediate intervention" to stop the "massacre" in Hawija and open ways to facilitate the delivery of the wounded to hospitals.

The governor of Kirkuk, Najm al-Din Omar Karim, a student at earlier, on Tuesday, in an interview with (long-Presse), the departure of all military forces, which came after the developments in Hawija last Friday (the 19th of April 2013 present), It also demanded that all parties need to "cease fire immediately," while stressing that it warned in advance of making "decisions improvisational and create crises" in the absence of the partnership, he stressed the need "to put an end to policies and per capita mentality."

He also warned of the provincial council in Kirkuk, also yesterday, the evolution of events in Hawija for "include all parts of the country," While the Turkmen Front, called for "calm and sit" on the dialogue table, carry the joint Arab meeting deputies Haweeja "responsibility to storm the sit-Square"

Head of Mission arrived in the United Nations, Martin Kobler, onTuesday, to the province of Kirkuk, hours after the army forces stormed Square sit-Hawija, which led to the killing and wounding dozens, while the contract upon his arrival closed-door meeting with the Governor and Acting President of the Council.

condemned the cleric Abdul-Malik al-Saadi, on Tuesday, "aggression," the government's Square sit-in Hawija, and stressed that it did so in Action "will be held accountable in this world and the hereafter," In a single called on the demonstrators to defend themselves vigorously, he stressed it except it must protestors restraint to miss an opportunity against the aggressors.

And accused the Iraqi List led by Iyad Allawi, on Tuesday, the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces Nouri al-Maliki to "commit" a massacre against the protests are Hawija in Kirkuk province, and try to "pushing" the people to "civil war, and threatened and elements of the Iraqi army involved in the process internationally" criminals war, "while the National Alliance demanded and religious authorities to" critical attitude "toward what is happening.

And Dan Matsamu Anbar strongly the storming Square sit-in Hawija, and accused Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki as "Enter the country in hell," and confirmed that they were holding an urgent meeting is to take a position on what happened, while attacked the finance minister resigned Issawi Government strongly, and stressed that what was in Hawija "is a sectarian crime of genocide," and urged the United Nations as Haweeja "City of disaster" and Arab League to intervene.

The United States of America, on Tuesday, expressed "regret" for the events that took place in Hawija (55 km southwest of Kirkuk), before you allow sufficient time to reach a peaceful solution, while called on both sides to "refrain immediately" from exercising any acts of violent or "provocative", demanded that the achievement of "transparent" in this matter and the broadest possible participation and to hold accountable the perpetrators of acts "illegal."

It was an accident intrusion repercussions on the security situation in the Sunni provinces experiencing of yesteryear, clashes and acts of violence against the Iraqi army.

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OMG.... so how does it look for the dinar? Is all this good or bad? And - anytime soon?
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Oh, were you talking about the post above yours? Yeah, I'd say it's good. That guy is a financial adviser, so he's not about to say it's gonna happen tomorrow. Watch what happens with Maliki. When he goes, all those laws he's been holding up will get passed and the government will stabilize. Stability is key to our thing. Once Maliki's gone, things will start to move quickly.
Rev. 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.
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OMG.... so how does it look for the dinar? Is all this good or bad? And - anytime soon?
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Oh, were you talking about the post above yours? Yeah, I'd say it's good. That guy is a financial adviser, so he's not about to say it's gonna happen tomorrow. Watch what happens with Maliki. When he goes, all those laws he's been holding up will get passed and the government will stabilize. Stability is key to our thing. Once Maliki's gone, things will start to move quickly.
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All this is too hard to figure out. Are they going to kick Maliki out -soon?

Are they going to arrest him?

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OMG.... so how does it look for the dinar? Is all this good or bad? And - anytime soon?
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Oh, were you talking about the post above yours? Yeah, I'd say it's good. That guy is a financial adviser, so he's not about to say it's gonna happen tomorrow. Watch what happens with Maliki. When he goes, all those laws he's been holding up will get passed and the government will stabilize. Stability is key to our thing. Once Maliki's gone, things will start to move quickly.
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All this is too hard to figure out. Are they going to kick Maliki out -soon?

Are they going to arrest him?
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I think he really stepped in it this time. He's been able to skate so far, but he's never crossed into the realm of publicly murdering Iraqis before. He just got his ass kicked in the elections, and everybody in Iraq seems to hate him. I'd say we'll see a no confidence vote or Parliament being dissolved in the near future, like a week or two. But then, he's managed to weasel his way out of everything else so far, so it may not happen. If these Iraqis let him get away with it this time, they deserve him.
Rev. 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.
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Y'all remember your Bible history and where Babylon was and its role in Revelation?

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Rev. 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.
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Y'all remember your Bible history and where Babylon was and its role in Revelation?

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I heard that Saddam wrote that on some bricks. Coast to Coast show I think.
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Can people just demand people to resign over there?

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Deputy of the Iraqi Prime Minister Al-Maliki demands list to resign from the Government and the formation of a new Government
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The Deputy called for Iraqi Arabic list, headed by Deputy Prime Minister Saleh Al-mutlaq of the resignation of all Ministers of the Iraqi "Government as a first step and then if the Parliament unable to pass laws that create a bit of stability in the lives of Iraqi citizens would be all options are on the table and even the collective resignation."



MP Nada al-Jabouri said in a statement that "resignation is the message to the whole world that there is satisfaction on the next Iraq and Iraqi citizen and is an important element for creating change may come with positive results on the Iraqi scene."



"It is not reasonable to take the role of the Government in the conflict with Iraq as in many areas, Iraqis were in conflict and ongoing rivalry with the Government and forcing the Government to the military, which must protect the homeland in this rivalry to be the resignation of the Government and the formation of a new Government involving the same parties within Parliament.



Iraq witnessed a political crisis resulted in the continuation of the popular demonstrations in the governorates of Anbar, Ninewa and Salah al-Din, demanding the release of prisoners and detainees and the issuance of the amnesty law and the abolition of the accountability and Justice Act [formerly the debaathification], article [4] terror, balancing, and other demands.



The protests have seen rapid developments and implications of having a joint force made up of rapid intervention forces, SWAT and the strength of the Iraqi army Tuesday storming the demonstrators in hawijah in Kirkuk province, a clash between the two sides broke out which left dozens of dead and wounded on both sides.



The Defence Ministry blamed the protest parks is responsible for sheltering Al-Qaeda and Baathist elements.



The Cabinet decided to set up a Ministerial Committee chaired by Deputy Prime Minister Saleh Al-mutlaq to investigate incidents and decided to release all those arrested in the events and victims as martyrs and to ensure the Iraqi Government to treat the wounded inside and outside Iraq



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Can people just demand people to resign over there?

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They do it all the time. Never amounts to anything. Maliki ain't resigning. He's gonna have to be removed, either by his own party, or by the full parliament. If he still won't go, the UN will have to get him. If that doesn't happen, we're going to have a civil war.
Rev. 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.
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Can people just demand people to resign over there?

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They do it all the time. Never amounts to anything. Maliki ain't resigning. He's gonna have to be removed, either by his own party, or by the full parliament. If he still won't go, the UN will have to get him. If that doesn't happen, we're going to have a civil war.
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Let's hope he goes peacefully. And... the army stands behind the people.
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Saw this on another site...

"Remember... the raising of the foreign exchange rate and the new currency are 2 different things. They are functioning on USD now... they will be able to function in USD once they raise the rate.. and by doing so they will be able to draw in all of the triple zero notes from their economy. It will be AFTER they raise the exchange rate and have drawn in many billions (Trilllions?) more IQD.. that they eventually release the lower denominations. Deal is they want their citizens to go to the banks.
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If they restructure the currency simultaneously with lifting the foreign exchange rate.. that does NOT force the citizens into the banks. The last thing they want is for citizens with hoarded triple zero notes to pull them from their mattress.. exchange them for lower denominations and then stuff them back into their mattress. The goal of the CBI is to create a thriving banking sector, Digital IQD.
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Banking. Citizens savings IN BANKS. By restructuring the currency at the same time as a new rate.. they DO NOT ACHIEVE their goal. It is 2 different things.. the lifting of the rate.. be it float, staging rate or straight out RV... is NOT the same thing as the CBI releasing a SMALL amount of lower denominations for daily use by citizens in country. They want to become a CASHLESS society.. and get citizens and merchants to use SMART CARDS.. in place of CASH.
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There was just an article out today telling of the Parliament getting ready to destroy the old currency , which will run concurrent with the new currency for 2 years. The Parliament is planning to destroy old triple zero notes... so they seem to be anticipating a lot of them being brought in... I am not concerned about our investment. They need to establish political stability and they are preparing to lift the foreign exchange rate. That is all I care about. It will happen when it happens. The CBI is trying to get everyone off their backs.. especially the politicians who think they are in control of the CBI... and keep sticking their noses in where they dont belong. This statment makes those politicians sit down and shut up.
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Don't freak out over this."
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