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Iraqi premier Maliki gaining strength as Shiites rally behind him

BAGHDAD — Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is tightening his hold on power in response to the catastrophe unfolding in Iraq, even as his critics blame his policies for causing the mayhem that is tearing the country apart.

Reinforced by a call to arms from the country’s top Shiite cleric and by promises of support from Iran, Maliki has set about rallying the country’s Shiite majority behind his leadership as Sunni extremists bear down on Baghdad.

Negotiations on the formation of a new government have been suspended, and instead, Shiite factions who had sought to prevent Maliki from securing a third term in office by aligning with Sunni and Kurdish politicians have thrown their support behind him.

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]

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 Quoting: PIR


That's the article I was talking about this morning. Here's what I thought about it before I realized forming an autonomous region was a constitutional right.

Revbo:
I'm not gonna post the articles, because I keep getting red karma for copyright violations, so I'll just tell you I've seen two articles, as of last night, both English sources, that say Hakim and Sadr have dropped their opposition to Maliki and the Shiite blocs are in full support again. This pretty much ends United for Reform, and it doesn't look like we're going to be seeing any new government any time soon. That will only serve to further piss off the Sunnis, the Kurds have Kirkuk and are encouraging the Biden Plan, and I'm more convinced than ever that's where this is going. It has to. The Sunnis will never tolerate indefinite Maliki rule, and the terrorism will continue until there is some kind of political resolution. With Maliki seemingly invincible now, at least in the Shiite region, it's either civil war or negotiated settlement, and there's way too much global attention on this to just let Iraqis fight it out forever.
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Did you see my piece above? It was kinda hidden in there, but that was a big surprise to me to find out that autonomy, for any region that desires it, whether it be one province or a group of provinces, is a constitutional right. I always thought Kurdistan was just a special case. That's why I now think we're headed the three-state confederation route, now, and not the three-independent-countries route. Confederation, I think, fits with your theory of causing enough of a crisis to run off the Sunnis, right? Or, does it have to be three separate countries?
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ITTS, today, says "the United States has been leaning hard on Maliki to share power with the Kurds and Sunnis to avoid partitioning the country..."

Easiest prediction ever: Maliki will not share power with the Kurds and Sunnis to avoid partitioning the country.
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Iraq crisis exclusive: US rules out military action until PM Nouri al-Maliki stands down

[link to www.independent.co.uk]
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Iraq crisis exclusive: US rules out military action until PM Nouri al-Maliki stands down

[link to www.independent.co.uk]
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ITTS, today, says "the United States has been leaning hard on Maliki to share power with the Kurds and Sunnis to avoid partitioning the country..."

Easiest prediction ever: Maliki will not share power with the Kurds and Sunnis to avoid partitioning the country.
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Correct and therefore will be cast in eyes of all the outside world as more evil than Saddam.

This is a HUGE build up for HUGE reaction.

When the Kurds walk the world will understand.

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ITTS, today, says "the United States has been leaning hard on Maliki to share power with the Kurds and Sunnis to avoid partitioning the country..."

Easiest prediction ever: Maliki will not share power with the Kurds and Sunnis to avoid partitioning the country.
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Correct and therefore will be cast in eyes of all the outside world as more evil than Saddam.

This is a HUGE build up for HUGE reaction.

When the Kurds walk the world will understand.

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So, you think the Kurds are gonna go the independence route? I saw, earlier today, they are demanding Article 140 in order to remove Peshmerga from Kirkuk. It could just be they're giving themselves the legal justification for independence, but I'm kinda leaning towards the idea that they'll get their 140 because Maliki's army is a bunch of sissy boys and would be routed by Peshmerga, Sunnis declare an autonomous region, and we end up with three autonomous states within an Iraqi confederation. If the Kurds declare independence, Maliki will have no choice but a war he will lose. If he agrees to 140, at least, he still keeps the majority of the oil wealth. Same problem. Same reaction. Different solution. We shall see.
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ITTS, today, says "the United States has been leaning hard on Maliki to share power with the Kurds and Sunnis to avoid partitioning the country..."

Easiest prediction ever: Maliki will not share power with the Kurds and Sunnis to avoid partitioning the country.
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Correct and therefore will be cast in eyes of all the outside world as more evil than Saddam.

This is a HUGE build up for HUGE reaction.

When the Kurds walk the world will understand.

popcorn
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So, you think the Kurds are gonna go the independence route? I saw, earlier today, they are demanding Article 140 in order to remove Peshmerga from Kirkuk. It could just be they're giving themselves the legal justification for independence, but I'm kinda leaning towards the idea that they'll get their 140 because Maliki's army is a bunch of sissy boys and would be routed by Peshmerga, Sunnis declare an autonomous region, and we end up with three autonomous states within an Iraqi confederation. If the Kurds declare independence, Maliki will have no choice but a war he will lose. If he agrees to 140, at least, he still keeps the majority of the oil wealth. Same problem. Same reaction. Different solution. We shall see.
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Yes 100% separate statehood. An independent nation of Kurdistan.
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Urgent .. the White House is moving toward a unity
government without al-Maliki, Iraqi



Thursday , June 19, 2014 News channel "CNN" American officials today at the White House as saying that Washington is now focused on the political transition in Iraq emerges about a unity government without al-Maliki. Officials added that there are in the U.S. administration is a growing belief among the Obama administration that Nouri al-Maliki is not a leader, which Iraq needs now. For his part, gave Chuck Hagel and U.S. Secretary of Defense blamed what happens in Iraq, the Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, [link to www.kitabat.com]
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government without al-Maliki, Iraqi



Thursday , June 19, 2014 News channel "CNN" American officials today at the White House as saying that Washington is now focused on the political transition in Iraq emerges about a unity government without al-Maliki. Officials added that there are in the U.S. administration is a growing belief among the Obama administration that Nouri al-Maliki is not a leader, which Iraq needs now. For his part, gave Chuck Hagel and U.S. Secretary of Defense blamed what happens in Iraq, the Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, [link to www.kitabat.com]
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Yup Maliki = Dr Evil

When he becomes the Prime Minister again it will be seen as a real PROBLEM!

I am sure we will see quite the REACTION!

But the question will be...what is the SOLUTION?

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So what's next? Next week the new government will be formed. Pressure is being put on the coalition. GET ER DONE. As far as I have been told, it is imperative that once the government has been announced we will see two things. The first is world support for the new government in fighting terrorizm. The second is an RV. For some reason it seems to be extremely important to those in control that Turki pull the trigger on or a little before July 1st. So that's what I know. Please by all means, judge me on this as you will. I am prepared to be full of Shiite before this is over. Watch this as it unfolds. ~ Tlar


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Okay, I know I'm gonna sound schizophrenic about all this, but I'm backing off a bit on my Biden Plan thing. It may still happen, but our government seems to be standing firm that Maliki has to go before any American airstrikes are used, and I think that makes the 3 state solution, at least in the near term, somewhat irrelevant. Maliki issued a statement, this morning, that he's not leaving, despite all this international pressure, and I think we, through ISIS, are gonna keep it up until he's dead or finally runs for his life. After that, and the currency reform is done, depending on how things go with the new government, we may look at a partition, but we seem to be all in on ridding Iraq of this Maliki, which I find surprising, considering he was Obama's guy, but there you go. Maybe, I'm just going along too much with the official news, but I go along with official news because one thing I've learned, from this place, is the narrative is often more important than the truth, and the narrative, from the people with the biggest guns on earth, is Maliki must go.

I should really stop speculating on this stuff, because there's no way to really know what's going on, but it's just so damn much fun, I can't help myself.
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I really thought Obama would cave, and take out ISIS for Maliki, making the partition necessary, but he seems to be pretty damn serious about this, which give me a lot of hope. That asshole has never done a damn thing I agreed with, but he's sure sticking to his guns this time around, and if he only does one thing I agree with in his whole godforsaken career as president, I sure hope it's this.
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We've got ourselves a really high stakes game of chicken going on here. Maliki thinks he can wait us out, and let things get so bad that we'll be forced to intervene, and we seem to be letting things get so bad, Maliki ends up dead. My bet is on us.



U.S. administration postpones military intervention in Iraq "because Maliki does not listen to advice"

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"...sources added that the focus of the White House now is about to reach a process Iraq's political transition leading to a broader consensus government without Nuri al-Maliki, but includes representatives of the year and the Kurds and Shiites, said one of the officials, saying that "whatever action is decided that it should be done quickly."

[link to www.xendan.org]

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Asked the U.S. State of the Iraqi National Alliance to provide an alternative candidate for the leader of a coalition of state law, Nuri al-Maliki to head the next government.

The source 's (et al) Maliki responded angrily, "I came out and deserves the votes of Iraqis," while the U.S. delegation's response to al-Maliki, "but we know how well you are faced with votes."

[link to khabaar.net]
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Thu. June 19th Matrix of Information UPDATE

According to our Matrix of Information the next events may be:

1. Maliki calling a special presser to announce a victory over the ISIS forces driving them back into Syria with the few that remain to be captured or killed in short order. He will give special praise to both Shia and Sunnis for coming together in unity to defeat the forces of evil. This will solidify his success as the next PM.

2. This successful action will be touted as a surprise development by the US press and the next major focus will be on the billions of missing Iraqi dinar which is now hidden in Syria with ISIS and the PROBLEM that will be on a global scale.

3. The surprise turn of events will give the US an excuse to begin air operations in Syria and the reason given will be to destroy ISIS before they can launch global terror.

4. This dialectic launched with the missing IQD as the PROBLEM will have quite the REACTION worldwide that will demand a SOLUTION.

5. Said SOLUTION will come via the Central Bank of Iraq announcing the emergency implementation of the "removal of zeros" plan and the issuing of the new currency.

6. Because of the PROBLEM of the stolen currency this exchange will have to be accelerated to a 30 day or less time period and the excuse given will be the need to limit the ability of ISIS to launder the stolen IQD to fund global terror.

7. It is anticipated this emergency action by the CBI will happen on or before July 1st 2014.

So the next major expected event will be the announcement from Malaki on victory over the terrorist.

My next Matrix update will follow after the announcement of victory.

Be advised...we have two obvious uses of the Hegelian Dialectic in play at this time...one on the political side (Maliki as PM) and one on the currency side (change of value of the IQD)

Have a plan...and plan to act.

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Okay, I know I'm gonna sound schizophrenic about all this, but I'm backing off a bit on my Biden Plan thing. It may still happen, but our government seems to be standing firm that Maliki has to go before any American airstrikes are used, and I think that makes the 3 state solution, at least in the near term, somewhat irrelevant. Maliki issued a statement, this morning, that he's not leaving, despite all this international pressure, and I think we, through ISIS, are gonna keep it up until he's dead or finally runs for his life. After that, and the currency reform is done, depending on how things go with the new government, we may look at a partition, but we seem to be all in on ridding Iraq of this Maliki, which I find surprising, considering he was Obama's guy, but there you go. Maybe, I'm just going along too much with the official news, but I go along with official news because one thing I've learned, from this place, is the narrative is often more important than the truth, and the narrative, from the people with the biggest guns on earth, is Maliki must go.

I should really stop speculating on this stuff, because there's no way to really know what's going on, but it's just so damn much fun, I can't help myself.
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You might want to back off on the back off because when Maliki becomes the next PM the REACTION from the Kurds to this PROBLEM will be epic!

My guess is within 2 weeks or less (it will happen of course after the CBI announcement) they will declare the call for independence via referendum.


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Okay, I know I'm gonna sound schizophrenic about all this, but I'm backing off a bit on my Biden Plan thing. It may still happen, but our government seems to be standing firm that Maliki has to go before any American airstrikes are used, and I think that makes the 3 state solution, at least in the near term, somewhat irrelevant. Maliki issued a statement, this morning, that he's not leaving, despite all this international pressure, and I think we, through ISIS, are gonna keep it up until he's dead or finally runs for his life. After that, and the currency reform is done, depending on how things go with the new government, we may look at a partition, but we seem to be all in on ridding Iraq of this Maliki, which I find surprising, considering he was Obama's guy, but there you go. Maybe, I'm just going along too much with the official news, but I go along with official news because one thing I've learned, from this place, is the narrative is often more important than the truth, and the narrative, from the people with the biggest guns on earth, is Maliki must go.

I should really stop speculating on this stuff, because there's no way to really know what's going on, but it's just so damn much fun, I can't help myself.
 Quoting: Revbo™


"Maliki, which I find surprising, considering he was Obama's guy, but there you go"....He was not. Therein lies the confusion and lies. He was Bush's puppet....not Obama's. Why? We will see. Not that anyone will give a rat's ass afterwards but can you honestly tell me our fources are there to shake out some daash? No...there's a much bigger picture being painted. All we can do is watch.
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Okay, I know I'm gonna sound schizophrenic about all this, but I'm backing off a bit on my Biden Plan thing. It may still happen, but our government seems to be standing firm that Maliki has to go before any American airstrikes are used, and I think that makes the 3 state solution, at least in the near term, somewhat irrelevant. Maliki issued a statement, this morning, that he's not leaving, despite all this international pressure, and I think we, through ISIS, are gonna keep it up until he's dead or finally runs for his life. After that, and the currency reform is done, depending on how things go with the new government, we may look at a partition, but we seem to be all in on ridding Iraq of this Maliki, which I find surprising, considering he was Obama's guy, but there you go. Maybe, I'm just going along too much with the official news, but I go along with official news because one thing I've learned, from this place, is the narrative is often more important than the truth, and the narrative, from the people with the biggest guns on earth, is Maliki must go.

I should really stop speculating on this stuff, because there's no way to really know what's going on, but it's just so damn much fun, I can't help myself.
 Quoting: Revbo™


You might want to back off on the back off because when Maliki becomes the next PM the REACTION from the Kurds to this PROBLEM will be epic!

My guess is within 2 weeks or less (it will happen of course after the CBI announcement) they will declare the call for independence via referendum.


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bsflag
Are you serious? What do you base your info. on? The international community is all in favor of M stepping down
What has he done for the good of the Iraqi people? List three things please...is Iraq an inclusive, led Country? Why are families living in cemetaries? Where's the availability of 24 hours of electrcity? Most importantly, why is there still serious, sectarian, battles being fought?
Why is Kurdistan saying flip-you, we will sell our own oil...??? I'm gonna stop here.
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[link to alsabaah.iq]

DA's Arabic Translator:
In a meeting with bankers and businessmen in Beirut Lebanon, Abdul Basset Turki said that now is the time to transform banking practices in Iraq to the latest and most modern banking practices that banks in the modern world use. He added that work on the infrastructure of the new electronic systems will take place between the end of this year and mid 2015 - This also coincides with the council of ministers decision to overhaul Iraqi banking practices as well as the passing of the law allowing electronic signature - Turki added that the time has come for the banking industry including private banks to report to the investors and depositors. He said the bank will also be working closely with the management of the Iraqi stock market to fully automate transactions and flow funds including the use of debit/credit cards adding that the timing is very good because of the liquidity of the private banks and the guarantees it can offer to its depositors and clients - Even though the conference was meant to address businessmen and bankers the inclusion of mentioning stock market investors is warranted - The new arrangements will open the door for sizable investments given that banks backed by the central bank can guarantee the safety of such investments - Turki praised the relationship between Lebanese and Iraqi bankers and the participants in the conference including the Lebanese banking association - He added that Iraq is headed towards an economic success story and looks very promising and the banking industry including private banks cooperating with e central bank is poised to take a major role in that direction - He said that the willingness of Lebanese banks to take an active role in Iraq is very welcome and a sign that Iraqi banks are to be entrusted in playing a dynamic role in Iraq's economy."


Kaperoni:
I think what Turki is saying, here, is he is about to engage the Iraqi banking system with the world.

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Okay, I know I'm gonna sound schizophrenic about all this, but I'm backing off a bit on my Biden Plan thing. It may still happen, but our government seems to be standing firm that Maliki has to go before any American airstrikes are used, and I think that makes the 3 state solution, at least in the near term, somewhat irrelevant. Maliki issued a statement, this morning, that he's not leaving, despite all this international pressure, and I think we, through ISIS, are gonna keep it up until he's dead or finally runs for his life. After that, and the currency reform is done, depending on how things go with the new government, we may look at a partition, but we seem to be all in on ridding Iraq of this Maliki, which I find surprising, considering he was Obama's guy, but there you go. Maybe, I'm just going along too much with the official news, but I go along with official news because one thing I've learned, from this place, is the narrative is often more important than the truth, and the narrative, from the people with the biggest guns on earth, is Maliki must go.

I should really stop speculating on this stuff, because there's no way to really know what's going on, but it's just so damn much fun, I can't help myself.
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"Maliki, which I find surprising, considering he was Obama's guy, but there you go"....He was not. Therein lies the confusion and lies. He was Bush's puppet....not Obama's. Why? We will see. Not that anyone will give a rat's ass afterwards but can you honestly tell me our fources are there to shake out some daash? No...there's a much bigger picture being painted. All we can do is watch.
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Well, yeah, but he became Obama's guy. Biden went out of his way to get Maliki in for the second term.

I agree on DAASH, though. They're Saudi's bitches, and as soon as our goal of Maliki being gone is reached, they'll pack up their shit, and go take out Assad.
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Okay, I know I'm gonna sound schizophrenic about all this, but I'm backing off a bit on my Biden Plan thing. It may still happen, but our government seems to be standing firm that Maliki has to go before any American airstrikes are used, and I think that makes the 3 state solution, at least in the near term, somewhat irrelevant. Maliki issued a statement, this morning, that he's not leaving, despite all this international pressure, and I think we, through ISIS, are gonna keep it up until he's dead or finally runs for his life. After that, and the currency reform is done, depending on how things go with the new government, we may look at a partition, but we seem to be all in on ridding Iraq of this Maliki, which I find surprising, considering he was Obama's guy, but there you go. Maybe, I'm just going along too much with the official news, but I go along with official news because one thing I've learned, from this place, is the narrative is often more important than the truth, and the narrative, from the people with the biggest guns on earth, is Maliki must go.

I should really stop speculating on this stuff, because there's no way to really know what's going on, but it's just so damn much fun, I can't help myself.
 Quoting: Revbo™


You might want to back off on the back off because when Maliki becomes the next PM the REACTION from the Kurds to this PROBLEM will be epic!

My guess is within 2 weeks or less (it will happen of course after the CBI announcement) they will declare the call for independence via referendum.


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I don't really care how any of this shakes out, as long as we get paid, so if I have to back off, I will, but but I call it like I see it, even if it makes me look like a flip flopper from day to day, and today, I'm with jet. You read the news differently than I do, and I respect that, but for now, at least, I think Maliki is a dead man. It's all based on my reading of the United States' position in this. Yesterday, I felt, very strongly, that we were gonna cave and bail out Maliki's government, which would run the Sunnis off. Now, not so much.

I do agree with you on the time frame for monetary change, though. Once the new government is formed, we're paid, yo, and then, we can all sit around, sipping margaritas at my new beach house, and never utter the name Maliki again.

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Okay, I know I'm gonna sound schizophrenic about all this, but I'm backing off a bit on my Biden Plan thing. It may still happen, but our government seems to be standing firm that Maliki has to go before any American airstrikes are used, and I think that makes the 3 state solution, at least in the near term, somewhat irrelevant. Maliki issued a statement, this morning, that he's not leaving, despite all this international pressure, and I think we, through ISIS, are gonna keep it up until he's dead or finally runs for his life. After that, and the currency reform is done, depending on how things go with the new government, we may look at a partition, but we seem to be all in on ridding Iraq of this Maliki, which I find surprising, considering he was Obama's guy, but there you go. Maybe, I'm just going along too much with the official news, but I go along with official news because one thing I've learned, from this place, is the narrative is often more important than the truth, and the narrative, from the people with the biggest guns on earth, is Maliki must go.

I should really stop speculating on this stuff, because there's no way to really know what's going on, but it's just so damn much fun, I can't help myself.
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You might want to back off on the back off because when Maliki becomes the next PM the REACTION from the Kurds to this PROBLEM will be epic!

My guess is within 2 weeks or less (it will happen of course after the CBI announcement) they will declare the call for independence via referendum.


popcorn
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bsflag
Are you serious? What do you base your info. on? The international community is all in favor of M stepping down
What has he done for the good of the Iraqi people? List three things please...is Iraq an inclusive, led Country? Why are families living in cemetaries? Where's the availability of 24 hours of electrcity? Most importantly, why is there still serious, sectarian, battles being fought?
Why is Kurdistan saying flip-you, we will sell our own oil...??? I'm gonna stop here.

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Based upon our "Matrix of Information"

If you were to view the matrix as a structure it would appear as a pyramid.

The base of this pyramid shaped structure is factual information.

The next higher and smaller level is history and historical replication.

The very top and smallest part holding the smallest relevance is what we call "other information' which is of the esoteric nature.

All of these combined give us a lense of sorts to view and therefore project short, mid and long term speculation of both geopolitical and economic events.

Note: The observation of active use of Hegelian Dialectic techniques now in massive useage by the power elite falls with the factual base of the matrix and also well within the second level of historical replication.

None of this is new...in fact this very method of operation by the power elite I am pointing out via our Matrix was the very topic of Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" presented in his work "The Republic" which was written in 380 BC.

Bottomline...your mind is being played...and if you watch close you will see this done in real time with the coming events and possibly be able to see this mind game they play coming they next time they pull it.

Here is a good overview of the "Allegory of the Cave"

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Okay, I know I'm gonna sound schizophrenic about all this, but I'm backing off a bit on my Biden Plan thing. It may still happen, but our government seems to be standing firm that Maliki has to go before any American airstrikes are used, and I think that makes the 3 state solution, at least in the near term, somewhat irrelevant. Maliki issued a statement, this morning, that he's not leaving, despite all this international pressure, and I think we, through ISIS, are gonna keep it up until he's dead or finally runs for his life. After that, and the currency reform is done, depending on how things go with the new government, we may look at a partition, but we seem to be all in on ridding Iraq of this Maliki, which I find surprising, considering he was Obama's guy, but there you go. Maybe, I'm just going along too much with the official news, but I go along with official news because one thing I've learned, from this place, is the narrative is often more important than the truth, and the narrative, from the people with the biggest guns on earth, is Maliki must go.

I should really stop speculating on this stuff, because there's no way to really know what's going on, but it's just so damn much fun, I can't help myself.
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You might want to back off on the back off because when Maliki becomes the next PM the REACTION from the Kurds to this PROBLEM will be epic!

My guess is within 2 weeks or less (it will happen of course after the CBI announcement) they will declare the call for independence via referendum.


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Okay, I know I'm gonna sound schizophrenic about all this, but I'm backing off a bit on my Biden Plan thing. It may still happen, but our government seems to be standing firm that Maliki has to go before any American airstrikes are used, and I think that makes the 3 state solution, at least in the near term, somewhat irrelevant. Maliki issued a statement, this morning, that he's not leaving, despite all this international pressure, and I think we, through ISIS, are gonna keep it up until he's dead or finally runs for his life. After that, and the currency reform is done, depending on how things go with the new government, we may look at a partition, but we seem to be all in on ridding Iraq of this Maliki, which I find surprising, considering he was Obama's guy, but there you go. Maybe, I'm just going along too much with the official news, but I go along with official news because one thing I've learned, from this place, is the narrative is often more important than the truth, and the narrative, from the people with the biggest guns on earth, is Maliki must go.

I should really stop speculating on this stuff, because there's no way to really know what's going on, but it's just so damn much fun, I can't help myself.
 Quoting: Revbo™


You might want to back off on the back off because when Maliki becomes the next PM the REACTION from the Kurds to this PROBLEM will be epic!

My guess is within 2 weeks or less (it will happen of course after the CBI announcement) they will declare the call for independence via referendum.


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I don't really care how any of this shakes out, as long as we get paid, so if I have to back off, I will, but but I call it like I see it, even if it makes me look like a flip flopper from day to day, and today, I'm with jet. You read the news differently than I do, and I respect that, but for now, at least, I think Maliki is a dead man. It's all based on my reading of the United States' position in this. Yesterday, I felt, very strongly, that we were gonna cave and bail out Maliki's government, which would run the Sunnis off. Now, not so much.

I do agree with you on the time frame for monetary change, though. Once the new government is formed, we're paid, yo, and then, we can all sit around, sipping margaritas at my new beach house, and never utter the name Maliki again.
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I'm with ya def on that last sentenceOf show me lobe
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Okay, I know I'm gonna sound schizophrenic about all this, but I'm backing off a bit on my Biden Plan thing. It may still happen, but our government seems to be standing firm that Maliki has to go before any American airstrikes are used, and I think that makes the 3 state solution, at least in the near term, somewhat irrelevant. Maliki issued a statement, this morning, that he's not leaving, despite all this international pressure, and I think we, through ISIS, are gonna keep it up until he's dead or finally runs for his life. After that, and the currency reform is done, depending on how things go with the new government, we may look at a partition, but we seem to be all in on ridding Iraq of this Maliki, which I find surprising, considering he was Obama's guy, but there you go. Maybe, I'm just going along too much with the official news, but I go along with official news because one thing I've learned, from this place, is the narrative is often more important than the truth, and the narrative, from the people with the biggest guns on earth, is Maliki must go.

I should really stop speculating on this stuff, because there's no way to really know what's going on, but it's just so damn much fun, I can't help myself.
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"Maliki, which I find surprising, considering he was Obama's guy, but there you go"....He was not. Therein lies the confusion and lies. He was Bush's puppet....not Obama's. Why? We will see. Not that anyone will give a rat's ass afterwards but can you honestly tell me our fources are there to shake out some daash? No...there's a much bigger picture being painted. All we can do is watch.
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Well, yeah, but he became Obama's guy. Biden went out of his way to get Maliki in for the second term.

I agree on DAASH, though. They're Saudi's bitches, and as soon as our goal of Maliki being gone is reached, they'll pack up their shit, and go take out Assad.
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They're Saudi's bitches, and as soon as our goal of Maliki being gone is reached, they'll pack up their shit, and go take out Assad.
Stop teasing me! You're giving me a ha#%on !!! Haifa...in true form....this has to stop....it is torture !!!
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Basically the way I see it is, that if TPTB want maliki to stay, and he is doing their bidding, he will remain in power. If he can no longer be effective in/for their plans going forward, he will be removed one way or another.

Many have put forward some interesting Ideas about what those plans are for the middle east. But as we have seen things are fluid to a degree and subject to change very quickly, so to prognosticate at this point with the limited knowledge we possess, would appear to be but folly. sit back and enjoy the show, its why we are here.

I must admit that part of the fun is trying to figure out how any good mystery ends before reading the final chapter and as long as we keep that in mind, we can keep a level and head and not get to caught up in the game. lol
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06/19/2014 01:01 PM
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Okay, I know I'm gonna sound schizophrenic about all this, but I'm backing off a bit on my Biden Plan thing. It may still happen, but our government seems to be standing firm that Maliki has to go before any American airstrikes are used, and I think that makes the 3 state solution, at least in the near term, somewhat irrelevant. Maliki issued a statement, this morning, that he's not leaving, despite all this international pressure, and I think we, through ISIS, are gonna keep it up until he's dead or finally runs for his life. After that, and the currency reform is done, depending on how things go with the new government, we may look at a partition, but we seem to be all in on ridding Iraq of this Maliki, which I find surprising, considering he was Obama's guy, but there you go. Maybe, I'm just going along too much with the official news, but I go along with official news because one thing I've learned, from this place, is the narrative is often more important than the truth, and the narrative, from the people with the biggest guns on earth, is Maliki must go.

I should really stop speculating on this stuff, because there's no way to really know what's going on, but it's just so damn much fun, I can't help myself.
 Quoting: Revbo™


You might want to back off on the back off because when Maliki becomes the next PM the REACTION from the Kurds to this PROBLEM will be epic!

My guess is within 2 weeks or less (it will happen of course after the CBI announcement) they will declare the call for independence via referendum.


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 Quoting: PIR


I don't really care how any of this shakes out, as long as we get paid, so if I have to back off, I will, but but I call it like I see it, even if it makes me look like a flip flopper from day to day, and today, I'm with jet. You read the news differently than I do, and I respect that, but for now, at least, I think Maliki is a dead man. It's all based on my reading of the United States' position in this. Yesterday, I felt, very strongly, that we were gonna cave and bail out Maliki's government, which would run the Sunnis off. Now, not so much.

I do agree with you on the time frame for monetary change, though. Once the new government is formed, we're paid, yo, and then, we can all sit around, sipping margaritas at my new beach house, and never utter the name Maliki again.
 Quoting: Revbo™


You and I need to meet and have many drinks !!! Forget Haifa for, well, a few hours. I want to party with you cowboy !!
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If the Iraqi dinar never Rv'd and/or became worthless, I would still consider buying dinar to be a blessing, in that it has showed me so much about my self, fear, hope, dependency, and on and on, if you bother to pay attention, all things in life are there for us to heal, grow and change.
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jetphyxr I'll drink to that. Party on dudes
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