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make chewy crusty artisan BREAD with 5 minutes of your time! seriously! and cheap!

 
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Wow that looks great, My dough has been sitting for 22 hours and I'm about to fire the oven up.
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Aren't you supposed to add a little sugar so the yeast will have something to use to make CO2 to make the dough rise? That bread would SUCK.
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Actually, just use some baking soda and add a little lime or lemon juice right before you knead it and put it in the oven.
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Wow that looks great, My dough has been sitting for 22 hours and I'm about to fire the oven up.
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Smells great, hope it tastes great too. 25 minutes to go!

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Magnificent. It's an old technique really using a dutch oven like the Pioneers would have done, but letting the yeast ripen the gluten in the flour. I'm sure a higher gluten bread flour would naturally work better or faster. You might be able to get away with less then 12 hours that way.

It would be cool to try this using a natural yeast recipe. I'm looking for recipes other than sourdough. That way all you need is flour, salt, and water plus whatever starter.

In a survival situation, wheat is hard to come by. You can stretch it, but with a far less expanding bread by adding cattail pollen, acorn flour, or whatever you've got handy like a hybrid with masa or corn flour.
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Actually, just use some baking soda and add a little lime or lemon juice right before you knead it and put it in the oven.
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No need for yeast or 12 hours that way. Smarter and faster.
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Yeast needs sugar to start fermenting and produce carbon dioxide to raise the bread, BTW.
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Yeast needs sugar to start fermenting and produce carbon dioxide to raise the bread, BTW.
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yes. wheat has sugars in it
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Actually, just use some baking soda and add a little lime or lemon juice right before you knead it and put it in the oven.
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No need for yeast or 12 hours that way. Smarter and faster.
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but not as tasty imo
personal preference tho :)

thank good ness there are so many types of bread!

i want to learn how to make more flatbreads and pita bread type breads.
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Magnificent. It's an old technique really using a dutch oven like the Pioneers would have done, but letting the yeast ripen the gluten in the flour. I'm sure a higher gluten bread flour would naturally work better or faster. You might be able to get away with less then 12 hours that way.

It would be cool to try this using a natural yeast recipe. I'm looking for recipes other than sourdough. That way all you need is flour, salt, and water plus whatever starter.

In a survival situation, wheat is hard to come by. You can stretch it, but with a far less expanding bread by adding cattail pollen, acorn flour, or whatever you've got handy like a hybrid with masa or corn flour.
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the only reason i said around 20 hours is because i hate the step where you take the bread out and then let it raise for another 2 hours. it took up more counterspace and mess to clean up. i found that if i just let it sit longer i could skip that step :)
i was trying to make bread with the least amount of effort and mess to clean.
not trying to make the fastest bread.
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Aren't you supposed to add a little sugar so the yeast will have something to use to make CO2 to make the dough rise? That bread would SUCK.
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wheat has sugars in it
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Re: make chewy crusty artisan BREAD with 5 minutes of your time! seriously! and cheap!
Magnificent. It's an old technique really using a dutch oven like the Pioneers would have done, but letting the yeast ripen the gluten in the flour. I'm sure a higher gluten bread flour would naturally work better or faster. You might be able to get away with less then 12 hours that way.

It would be cool to try this using a natural yeast recipe. I'm looking for recipes other than sourdough. That way all you need is flour, salt, and water plus whatever starter.

In a survival situation, wheat is hard to come by. You can stretch it, but with a far less expanding bread by adding cattail pollen, acorn flour, or whatever you've got handy like a hybrid with masa or corn flour.
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the only reason i said around 20 hours is because i hate the step where you take the bread out and then let it raise for another 2 hours. it took up more counterspace and mess to clean up. i found that if i just let it sit longer i could skip that step :)
i was trying to make bread with the least amount of effort and mess to clean.
not trying to make the fastest bread.
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Of I was basing the time on the video, not what you said. When placing a yeast bread in the refrigerator, the dough ripens by slowing down the process. That's a personal preference.

If you were doing this outside, you could make a Zeer pot, a ceramic pot within a pot that is in wet sand and cover it. That's a way to make a quasi-refirgerator in the field. Then you let your dough riped in that until time for the final two hour rise.

Yeah, nothing replaces yeast bread in my opinion. Sure you can use a leaven like soda or ash or baking powder to make beaten biscuits.

Personally for speed, I like pita bread. It works well and is very fast. It stores pretty well too when camping, so you can make some up for several days.

I need a better recipe for gathering natural yeasts as I don't like sourdugh that much. Friendship bread is more like cake with all of that sugar, a very hard to produce item in the wild, save for using a natural sweetener like dried persimmon or apples, or if lucky honey or maple syrup.
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Wow that was good! My yeast was a bit old so it didn't rise that great, but before I put it in the the dutch I mixed in some honey and it was great. A slight bit doughy but probably cause it didn't rise as much. Four people loved it though thanks Cat!
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Wow that was good! My yeast was a bit old so it didn't rise that great, but before I put it in the the dutch I mixed in some honey and it was great. A slight bit doughy but probably cause it didn't rise as much. Four people loved it though thanks Cat!
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That's because you didn't add any sugar for the yeast to ferment. Wheat is starch, and the yeast cannot break that down. Unless you add sugar, it won't rise. That bread dude is either retarded or wants you to not be able to make bread so you buy it instead.
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Just add a couple of teaspoons of baking soda and some then knead in a few teaspoons of lime or lemon juice and your bread will be ready in an hour...no waiting.
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Why we should avoid bleached flour

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Wow that was good! My yeast was a bit old so it didn't rise that great, but before I put it in the the dutch I mixed in some honey and it was great. A slight bit doughy but probably cause it didn't rise as much. Four people loved it though thanks Cat!
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That's because you didn't add any sugar for the yeast to ferment. Wheat is starch, and the yeast cannot break that down. Unless you add sugar, it won't rise. That bread dude is either retarded or wants you to not be able to make bread so you buy it instead.
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Yeah I will next time, like I said the yeast was a few months old. It was still real good bread though. How much sugar for the OP's recipe?
Thanks!
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That was not easy, its a seriously labourous long and dirty process to make that one loaf of bread.


No Kneading ? So what, just use a dough hook on your power mixing.


It does all the kneading.
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I think that the baker knows precisely how to bake bread. Many breads are considered a particular style of bread based on ingredients and methods used to produce them. For example, true French bread only contains yeast, flour, salt, and water by law, else it cannot be called French bread in France. Similarly certain breads like challah or brioche are made with certain ingredients. He just chose not to add sugar.

It's true that it is the interaction with sugar that makes yeast work in bread. Higher gluten flour also turns out a better product since that flour is specifically made for bread making. Of course that will result in a slightly different recipe too.

There's lot of alternative raising techniques like dough sponges. Those techniques will change the recipe and texture f the bread. Nothing is wrong with those different recipes, they're just producing something different based on personal choice.
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Re: make chewy crusty artisan BREAD with 5 minutes of your time! seriously! and cheap!
Wow that was good! My yeast was a bit old so it didn't rise that great, but before I put it in the the dutch I mixed in some honey and it was great. A slight bit doughy but probably cause it didn't rise as much. Four people loved it though thanks Cat!
 Quoting: Munsoned


That's because you didn't add any sugar for the yeast to ferment. Wheat is starch, and the yeast cannot break that down. Unless you add sugar, it won't rise. That bread dude is either retarded or wants you to not be able to make bread so you buy it instead.
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BS. Sugar is a carbohydrate, flour is a carbohydrate. Sorry, but this recipe works. You can enhance it with sugar to help the flavor or rise, but it's not required.
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Re: make chewy crusty artisan BREAD with 5 minutes of your time! seriously! and cheap!
Wow that was good! My yeast was a bit old so it didn't rise that great, but before I put it in the the dutch I mixed in some honey and it was great. A slight bit doughy but probably cause it didn't rise as much. Four people loved it though thanks Cat!
 Quoting: Munsoned


That's because you didn't add any sugar for the yeast to ferment. Wheat is starch, and the yeast cannot break that down. Unless you add sugar, it won't rise. That bread dude is either retarded or wants you to not be able to make bread so you buy it instead.
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Yeah I will next time, like I said the yeast was a few months old. It was still real good bread though. How much sugar for the OP's recipe?
Thanks!
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you do NOT need sugar to make bread.
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That was not easy, its a seriously labourous long and dirty process to make that one loaf of bread.


No Kneading ? So what, just use a dough hook on your power mixing.


It does all the kneading.
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do it your way then.
i like this way. i do not like power mixers.
this is nice and quiet and i like the simpleness of it and i actually enjoying waiting. but if you time it, then you don't wait at all. you make a loaf and starrt another batch in a day or two and voila it's ready for you.
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Re: make chewy crusty artisan BREAD with 5 minutes of your time! seriously! and cheap!
this is a simple bread
no hassle no fuss
24 hrs max (no work)
Let the yeast work for you!
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this is a simple bread
no hassle no fuss
24 hrs max (no work)
Let the yeast work for you!
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yes :)
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I think I want to make this for Christmas dinner instead of rolls.

How much bread does this make/feed? If I am having about 12 people, would it be enough or should I make two or even three?
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Re: make chewy crusty artisan BREAD with 5 minutes of your time! seriously! and cheap!
I think I want to make this for Christmas dinner instead of rolls.

How much bread does this make/feed? If I am having about 12 people, would it be enough or should I make two or even three?
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1 loaf woulf feed 5 or 6 people if they all wanted a 1 slice
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I think I want to make this for Christmas dinner instead of rolls.

How much bread does this make/feed? If I am having about 12 people, would it be enough or should I make two or even three?
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1 loaf woulf feed 5 or 6 people if they all wanted a 1 slice
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HAHAA I don't think I know a person that would only want ONE slice of homemade bread :)
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I think I want to make this for Christmas dinner instead of rolls.

How much bread does this make/feed? If I am having about 12 people, would it be enough or should I make two or even three?
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1 loaf woulf feed 5 or 6 people if they all wanted a 1 slice
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Thanks pink cat

HAHAA I don't think I know a person that would only want ONE slice of homemade bread :)
 Quoting: Laura Bow

Thanks pink cat
You are right, better make 3

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Re: make chewy crusty artisan BREAD with 5 minutes of your time! seriously! and cheap!
Wow that was good! My yeast was a bit old so it didn't rise that great, but before I put it in the the dutch I mixed in some honey and it was great. A slight bit doughy but probably cause it didn't rise as much. Four people loved it though thanks Cat!
 Quoting: Munsoned


That's because you didn't add any sugar for the yeast to ferment. Wheat is starch, and the yeast cannot break that down. Unless you add sugar, it won't rise. That bread dude is either retarded or wants you to not be able to make bread so you buy it instead.
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Yeah I will next time, like I said the yeast was a few months old. It was still real good bread though. How much sugar for the OP's recipe?
Thanks!
 Quoting: Munsoned


To make sure your yeast is good, add it to a cup of warm water from the tap...add a teaspoon or 2 of sugar to the water and put the yeast on top of the water. If the yeast is good, it will form a foam in 10 or 20 minutes. Usually for a loaf of bread a tablespoon or two.

Again, you can just add a tablespoon of baking soda, then knead in a tablespoon or 2 of lime juice and put it in the oven right away to bake. Bread will fluff up nicely.

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