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How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE

 
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How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
When the drone is in the air it is controlled via a satellite link from a remote operating station. But during start and landing the drone is piloted via line-of-sight radio by an operator near the start or landing field. This is necessary because the remote satellite link has a delay of several hundred milliseconds which is just too much latency to correct wind sheer and other problems during takeoff and landing.

What the Iranians seem to have done is to take over the drone's line-of-sight control. This after electronically disrupting its satellite link. Disrupting the satellite link alone would not be enough as the drone would then have followed some preprogrammed action like simply flying back to where it came from. With the line-of-sight control active a satellite link disruption would not lead to a preprogrammed abort.

We can reasonably assume that the Iranians have some station near Kandahar Airport that is listening to all military radio traffic there. They had four years to analyze the radio signaling between the ground operator and such drones. Even if that control signal is encrypted pattern recognition during many flights over four years would have given them enough information to break the code. - [link to hamsayeh.net]
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If Iran has that kind of time and "resources" on hand we are surely up shit creek without a paddle and only bloody stumps for arms.
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Re: How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
Seems a reasonable way of doing it.
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Re: How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
Seems a reasonable way of doing it.
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Mind you, NIP reckons the Iranians used cosmosphere anti gravity thingos to magic it down.
Sooo.... take your pick.
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Re: How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
They've been able to take off, fly, then land commercial airliners without absolutely any human intervention for over a decade (publicly).... and we're to assume the top of the line stealth drone technology can't do the same?

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Mind you, NIP reckons the Iranians used cosmosphere anti gravity thingos to magic it down.
Sooo.... take your pick.
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Maybe Russia and/or China helped....
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Re: How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
Interfax wrote that hacking of drone was made using russian station. Sorry no link this was soon after news of downed drone. And may be russians are listenning and analizing all radio traffic over Afganistan, they made this in many countries in past and in present time.
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Re: How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
What are the chances that the line of sight link had little or no access control?

If the truth were told, I suspect the whole 'hacking' incident could have been pulled off by an eight year old with a Nintendo DS.
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Re: How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
They've been able to take off, fly, then land commercial airliners without absolutely any human intervention for over a decade (publicly).... and we're to assume the top of the line stealth drone technology can't do the same?

Aiiiite.
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It can be done, but most if not all planes (even drones) use human intervention for take off and landing, and it seems to be the landing part that Iran managed to spoof.

What are the chances that the line of sight link had little or no access control?

If the truth were told, I suspect the whole 'hacking' incident could have been pulled off by an eight year old with a Nintendo DS.
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Quite Likely. The US have had issues with similar things in the past.

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Or alternatively there was a mechanicle failier, the drone entered a flat spin so it came down flat. This would have locallised the damage to the base of the drone. IE the bit covered up during the Iranian tv show.

The satalite interupt followed by local radio hyjack is semi plausable however.

If that is how they did it then the drone encryption etc was a bit sloppy
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Also what about an inside job like 911?

false flag doom anybody

Brilliant excuse, Imagine Obama on TV

We had to nuke Iran to glass to protect our patent on the drone tech
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They should sell this to the Pakistanis.
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Re: How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
what about this?

US have seen Iran have been attempting to hack drones for a period of time. so we build a " special stripped out, false intel" unit and send it out and allow them to capture it. now we know what their control capabilities are, they in turn, think they have the upper hand if we attack, so they devote time and resources to deploy false tech, then, during a real attack, nothing works like it did, or worse for them, their control signals are the locked track for a couple dozen cruise missles. add to that the fact the iranians will transport it to their "area 51" and if we have hidden spy or "kaboom" tech in the craft, another unfortunate accident, this time with their top scientists, and maybe a couple russians and chinese, too. (read internal stress now...its your fault, no yours...)

this would also explain not blowing it up or sending in a seal team

think of it as the dead german spy we let wash up before D day

it becomes a point of " I know what you are thinking but you only think you know what I am thinking"

just a thought.....

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Re: How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
They've been able to take off, fly, then land commercial airliners without absolutely any human intervention for over a decade (publicly).... and we're to assume the top of the line stealth drone technology can't do the same?

Aiiiite.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6795732


It can be done, but most if not all planes (even drones) use human intervention for take off and landing, and it seems to be the landing part that Iran managed to spoof.

What are the chances that the line of sight link had little or no access control?

If the truth were told, I suspect the whole 'hacking' incident could have been pulled off by an eight year old with a Nintendo DS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6820561


Quite Likely. The US have had issues with similar things in the past.
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Seems like everyone else has forgotten about the drones being hacked in Afgan...
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Re: How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
When the drone is in the air it is controlled via a satellite link from a remote operating station. But during start and landing the drone is piloted via line-of-sight radio by an operator near the start or landing field. This is necessary because the remote satellite link has a delay of several hundred milliseconds which is just too much latency to correct wind sheer and other problems during takeoff and landing.

What the Iranians seem to have done is to take over the drone's line-of-sight control. This after electronically disrupting its satellite link. Disrupting the satellite link alone would not be enough as the drone would then have followed some preprogrammed action like simply flying back to where it came from. With the line-of-sight control active a satellite link disruption would not lead to a preprogrammed abort.

We can reasonably assume that the Iranians have some station near Kandahar Airport that is listening to all military radio traffic there. They had four years to analyze the radio signaling between the ground operator and such drones. Even if that control signal is encrypted pattern recognition during many flights over four years would have given them enough information to break the code. - [link to hamsayeh.net]
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I dont want to burst your baloon but any serious drone has had "fire and forget" capability for years. the launch and landing are done by setting up a small beacon transmitter at the end of the runway, the drone does the rest. Its all automatic. It wont even start looking for the beacon on return until it's over its designated landing co-ordinates.

By the way this is not the first drone to fail in use, just look arount the net, you will find more examples.

My honest conclusion is that its an engine failure which has just caused the drone to turn araound and try to glide back to base. Of course it has not got the range to glide far, 20-40 miles at most and so its just auto landed where it run out of altitude. Looking at the damage I think its come down in a desert part of Iran, hitting the odd rock or two.
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Re: How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
what about this?

US have seen Iran have been attempting to hack drones for a period of time. so we build a " special stripped out, false intel" unit and send it out and allow them to capture it. now we know what their control capabilities are, they in turn, think they have the upper hand if we attack, so they devote time and resources to deploy false tech, then, during a real attack, nothing works like it did, or worse for them, their control signals are the locked track for a couple dozen cruise missles. add to that the fact the iranians will transport it to their "area 51" and if we have hidden spy or "kaboom" tech in the craft, another unfortunate accident, this time with their top scientists, and maybe a couple russians and chinese, too. (read internal stress now...its your fault, no yours...)

this would also explain not blowing it up or sending in a seal team

think of it as the dead german spy we let wash up before D day

it becomes a point of " I know what you are thinking but you only think you know what I am thinking"

just a thought.....

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Re: How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
what about this?

US have seen Iran have been attempting to hack drones for a period of time. so we build a " special stripped out, false intel" unit and send it out and allow them to capture it. now we know what their control capabilities are, they in turn, think they have the upper hand if we attack, so they devote time and resources to deploy false tech, then, during a real attack, nothing works like it did, or worse for them, their control signals are the locked track for a couple dozen cruise missles. add to that the fact the iranians will transport it to their "area 51" and if we have hidden spy or "kaboom" tech in the craft, another unfortunate accident, this time with their top scientists, and maybe a couple russians and chinese, too. (read internal stress now...its your fault, no yours...)

this would also explain not blowing it up or sending in a seal team

think of it as the dead german spy we let wash up before D day

it becomes a point of " I know what you are thinking but you only think you know what I am thinking"

just a thought.....

dr
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Mind you, NIP reckons the Iranians used cosmosphere anti gravity thingos to magic it down.
Sooo.... take your pick.
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Yeah and they also have spaceships, lightsabres and stargates all hidden somewhere. Even the Moon is an Iranian "Death Star"...

Keep dreaming...

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It would appear irony doesn't translate into Pomgolian...
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Re: How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
Truth can be much simpler. Russia has station and equipment somewhere in iranian mountains near Afganistan, operated by russians, they are listening and analyzing radio traffic, and they are decoded commands for drones, and hacked drone, and landed it in Iran...
You will not hear for them because officialy there are no russian troups in Iran.
Russia had tested its technologies in Serbia(intercepted stealth), and is testing now in Iran.
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Re: How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
Truth can be much simpler. Russia has station and equipment somewhere in iranian mountains near Afganistan, operated by russians, they are listening and analyzing radio traffic, and they are decoded commands for drones, and hacked drone, and landed it in Iran...
You will not hear for them because officialy there are no russian troups in Iran.
Russia had tested its technologies in Serbia(intercepted stealth), and is testing now in Iran.
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why would russia give away the fact they can to this for iran, which then gives us time to counter act? I am pretty sure that to send the controlling signal would also give their position away

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Re: How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
Truth can be much simpler. Russia has station and equipment somewhere in iranian mountains near Afganistan, operated by russians, they are listening and analyzing radio traffic, and they are decoded commands for drones, and hacked drone, and landed it in Iran...
You will not hear for them because officialy there are no russian troups in Iran.
Russia had tested its technologies in Serbia(intercepted stealth), and is testing now in Iran.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2034366


why would russia give away the fact they can to this for iran, which then gives us time to counter act? I am pretty sure that to send the controlling signal would also give their position away

dr
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I dont know why, but may be this is important for Russia and Iran - Russia get advanced US technologies by reverse engineering, Iran get benefits from their work. And Russia will not be officialy involved.
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Did you know drones were used in WW2 ? My dad worked on them during that war an now he builds large scale RC with electric motors. That's all these modern drones are. Just fancy models with high tech cameras, flown using the satellite. The operator can be sitting in California, while the plane is in Iran. pretty cool stuff.
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Oh no !

Iran will be sued for copyright violence by hacking drone signals ;)
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The hard facts speak the truth here: American Aerospace Companies, not giving any details on their identity; have for several years been sending Code Writing jobs to third world countries. All in effort to save money, does this sound familiar? Doe this surprise you ???
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Remember some months ago there was reports of a virus targeting drone control software and that it was sending information out, but no idea to whom or why.

Now we know to whom and why.
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Re: How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE
When the drone is in the air it is controlled via a satellite link from a remote operating station. But during start and landing the drone is piloted via line-of-sight radio by an operator near the start or landing field. This is necessary because the remote satellite link has a delay of several hundred milliseconds which is just too much latency to correct wind sheer and other problems during takeoff and landing.

What the Iranians seem to have done is to take over the drone's line-of-sight control. This after electronically disrupting its satellite link. Disrupting the satellite link alone would not be enough as the drone would then have followed some preprogrammed action like simply flying back to where it came from. With the line-of-sight control active a satellite link disruption would not lead to a preprogrammed abort.

We can reasonably assume that the Iranians have some station near Kandahar Airport that is listening to all military radio traffic there. They had four years to analyze the radio signaling between the ground operator and such drones. Even if that control signal is encrypted pattern recognition during many flights over four years would have given them enough information to break the code. - [link to hamsayeh.net]
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Remember some months ago there was reports of a virus targeting drone control software and that it was sending information out, but no idea to whom or why.

Now we know to whom and why.
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