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How Iran took control of the RQ-170 DRONE | |
| MC 3*8** Offer Upgrade  User ID: 6871791  Northern Mariana Islands12/10/2011 04:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2034366  Bulgaria12/10/2011 06:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Interfax wrote that hacking of drone was made using russian station. Sorry no link this was soon after news of downed drone. And may be russians are listenning and analizing all radio traffic over Afganistan, they made this in many countries in past and in present time. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6820561 United States12/10/2011 06:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Lime Flavoured Redux User ID: 6871486 United Kingdom12/10/2011 07:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They've been able to take off, fly, then land commercial airliners without absolutely any human intervention for over a decade (publicly).... and we're to assume the top of the line stealth drone technology can't do the same? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6795732 Aiiiite. It can be done, but most if not all planes (even drones) use human intervention for take off and landing, and it seems to be the landing part that Iran managed to spoof. What are the chances that the line of sight link had little or no access control? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6820561 If the truth were told, I suspect the whole 'hacking' incident could have been pulled off by an eight year old with a Nintendo DS. Quite Likely. The US have had issues with similar things in the past. Last Edited by Lime Flavoured Redux on 12/10/2011 07:01 AM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6876063 United Kingdom12/10/2011 07:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or alternatively there was a mechanicle failier, the drone entered a flat spin so it came down flat. This would have locallised the damage to the base of the drone. IE the bit covered up during the Iranian tv show. The satalite interupt followed by local radio hyjack is semi plausable however. If that is how they did it then the drone encryption etc was a bit sloppy |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6874883 United States12/10/2011 07:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | US have seen Iran have been attempting to hack drones for a period of time. so we build a " special stripped out, false intel" unit and send it out and allow them to capture it. now we know what their control capabilities are, they in turn, think they have the upper hand if we attack, so they devote time and resources to deploy false tech, then, during a real attack, nothing works like it did, or worse for them, their control signals are the locked track for a couple dozen cruise missles. add to that the fact the iranians will transport it to their "area 51" and if we have hidden spy or "kaboom" tech in the craft, another unfortunate accident, this time with their top scientists, and maybe a couple russians and chinese, too. (read internal stress now...its your fault, no yours...) this would also explain not blowing it up or sending in a seal team think of it as the dead german spy we let wash up before D day it becomes a point of " I know what you are thinking but you only think you know what I am thinking" just a thought..... dr |
| GeekOfTheWeek User ID: 6060705 United States12/10/2011 07:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They've been able to take off, fly, then land commercial airliners without absolutely any human intervention for over a decade (publicly).... and we're to assume the top of the line stealth drone technology can't do the same? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6795732 Aiiiite. It can be done, but most if not all planes (even drones) use human intervention for take off and landing, and it seems to be the landing part that Iran managed to spoof. What are the chances that the line of sight link had little or no access control? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6820561 If the truth were told, I suspect the whole 'hacking' incident could have been pulled off by an eight year old with a Nintendo DS. Quite Likely. The US have had issues with similar things in the past. Seems like everyone else has forgotten about the drones being hacked in Afgan... I love physics. It bonds us eternally, it's what makes our computers work, it's what's in my morning cup of coffee, it's the thing that keeps the universe from vanishing due to lack of belief... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4436253 United Kingdom12/10/2011 07:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the drone is in the air it is controlled via a satellite link from a remote operating station. But during start and landing the drone is piloted via line-of-sight radio by an operator near the start or landing field. This is necessary because the remote satellite link has a delay of several hundred milliseconds which is just too much latency to correct wind sheer and other problems during takeoff and landing. Quoting: MC 3*8** What the Iranians seem to have done is to take over the drone's line-of-sight control. This after electronically disrupting its satellite link. Disrupting the satellite link alone would not be enough as the drone would then have followed some preprogrammed action like simply flying back to where it came from. With the line-of-sight control active a satellite link disruption would not lead to a preprogrammed abort. We can reasonably assume that the Iranians have some station near Kandahar Airport that is listening to all military radio traffic there. They had four years to analyze the radio signaling between the ground operator and such drones. Even if that control signal is encrypted pattern recognition during many flights over four years would have given them enough information to break the code. - [link to hamsayeh.net] I dont want to burst your baloon but any serious drone has had "fire and forget" capability for years. the launch and landing are done by setting up a small beacon transmitter at the end of the runway, the drone does the rest. Its all automatic. It wont even start looking for the beacon on return until it's over its designated landing co-ordinates. By the way this is not the first drone to fail in use, just look arount the net, you will find more examples. My honest conclusion is that its an engine failure which has just caused the drone to turn araound and try to glide back to base. Of course it has not got the range to glide far, 20-40 miles at most and so its just auto landed where it run out of altitude. Looking at the damage I think its come down in a desert part of Iran, hitting the odd rock or two. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6874883 United States12/10/2011 07:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what about this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6874883 US have seen Iran have been attempting to hack drones for a period of time. so we build a " special stripped out, false intel" unit and send it out and allow them to capture it. now we know what their control capabilities are, they in turn, think they have the upper hand if we attack, so they devote time and resources to deploy false tech, then, during a real attack, nothing works like it did, or worse for them, their control signals are the locked track for a couple dozen cruise missles. add to that the fact the iranians will transport it to their "area 51" and if we have hidden spy or "kaboom" tech in the craft, another unfortunate accident, this time with their top scientists, and maybe a couple russians and chinese, too. (read internal stress now...its your fault, no yours...) this would also explain not blowing it up or sending in a seal team think of it as the dead german spy we let wash up before D day it becomes a point of " I know what you are thinking but you only think you know what I am thinking" just a thought..... dr no comments? dr |
| Morpheus User ID: 729560 Canada12/10/2011 07:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what about this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6874883 US have seen Iran have been attempting to hack drones for a period of time. so we build a " special stripped out, false intel" unit and send it out and allow them to capture it. now we know what their control capabilities are, they in turn, think they have the upper hand if we attack, so they devote time and resources to deploy false tech, then, during a real attack, nothing works like it did, or worse for them, their control signals are the locked track for a couple dozen cruise missles. add to that the fact the iranians will transport it to their "area 51" and if we have hidden spy or "kaboom" tech in the craft, another unfortunate accident, this time with their top scientists, and maybe a couple russians and chinese, too. (read internal stress now...its your fault, no yours...) this would also explain not blowing it up or sending in a seal team think of it as the dead german spy we let wash up before D day it becomes a point of " I know what you are thinking but you only think you know what I am thinking" just a thought..... dr  |
| Zero Point User ID: 6856119 Australia12/10/2011 07:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mind you, NIP reckons the Iranians used cosmosphere anti gravity thingos to magic it down. Quoting: Zero Point Sooo.... take your pick. Yeah and they also have spaceships, lightsabres and stargates all hidden somewhere. Even the Moon is an Iranian "Death Star"... Keep dreaming...  It would appear irony doesn't translate into Pomgolian... Another public service announcement from the Southern Hemisphere Information Leveraging Locus. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2034366 Bulgaria12/10/2011 07:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Truth can be much simpler. Russia has station and equipment somewhere in iranian mountains near Afganistan, operated by russians, they are listening and analyzing radio traffic, and they are decoded commands for drones, and hacked drone, and landed it in Iran... You will not hear for them because officialy there are no russian troups in Iran. Russia had tested its technologies in Serbia(intercepted stealth), and is testing now in Iran. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6877657 United States12/10/2011 07:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Truth can be much simpler. Russia has station and equipment somewhere in iranian mountains near Afganistan, operated by russians, they are listening and analyzing radio traffic, and they are decoded commands for drones, and hacked drone, and landed it in Iran... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2034366 You will not hear for them because officialy there are no russian troups in Iran. Russia had tested its technologies in Serbia(intercepted stealth), and is testing now in Iran. why would russia give away the fact they can to this for iran, which then gives us time to counter act? I am pretty sure that to send the controlling signal would also give their position away dr |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2034366 Bulgaria12/10/2011 08:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Truth can be much simpler. Russia has station and equipment somewhere in iranian mountains near Afganistan, operated by russians, they are listening and analyzing radio traffic, and they are decoded commands for drones, and hacked drone, and landed it in Iran... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2034366 You will not hear for them because officialy there are no russian troups in Iran. Russia had tested its technologies in Serbia(intercepted stealth), and is testing now in Iran. why would russia give away the fact they can to this for iran, which then gives us time to counter act? I am pretty sure that to send the controlling signal would also give their position away dr I dont know why, but may be this is important for Russia and Iran - Russia get advanced US technologies by reverse engineering, Iran get benefits from their work. And Russia will not be officialy involved. |
| Timetraveler User ID: 1605109 United States12/10/2011 08:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did you know drones were used in WW2 ? My dad worked on them during that war an now he builds large scale RC with electric motors. That's all these modern drones are. Just fancy models with high tech cameras, flown using the satellite. The operator can be sitting in California, while the plane is in Iran. pretty cool stuff. what time is it now? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 331367  Austria12/10/2011 08:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1023193 United States12/10/2011 08:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The hard facts speak the truth here: American Aerospace Companies, not giving any details on their identity; have for several years been sending Code Writing jobs to third world countries. All in effort to save money, does this sound familiar? Doe this surprise you ??? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 5986670  Peru12/10/2011 09:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6880349  Romania12/10/2011 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the drone is in the air it is controlled via a satellite link from a remote operating station. But during start and landing the drone is piloted via line-of-sight radio by an operator near the start or landing field. This is necessary because the remote satellite link has a delay of several hundred milliseconds which is just too much latency to correct wind sheer and other problems during takeoff and landing. Quoting: MC 3*8** What the Iranians seem to have done is to take over the drone's line-of-sight control. This after electronically disrupting its satellite link. Disrupting the satellite link alone would not be enough as the drone would then have followed some preprogrammed action like simply flying back to where it came from. With the line-of-sight control active a satellite link disruption would not lead to a preprogrammed abort. We can reasonably assume that the Iranians have some station near Kandahar Airport that is listening to all military radio traffic there. They had four years to analyze the radio signaling between the ground operator and such drones. Even if that control signal is encrypted pattern recognition during many flights over four years would have given them enough information to break the code. - [link to hamsayeh.net]  |
| WakeMeUp User ID: 5986670 Peru12/10/2011 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember some months ago there was reports of a virus targeting drone control software and that it was sending information out, but no idea to whom or why. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5986670 Now we know to whom and why. Thread: Skynet has become self aware. Virus hits U.S Drone fleets. No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main; ... any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind... |
