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Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"

 
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Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
Reactor 4 is near collapse :
[link to fukushima-diary.com]

The wall of the south side is falling apart at reactor 4. Reactor 4 is in the most serious situation. It is assumed that if another aftershock hits it to drop the spent fuel pool hung in the building, the entire area in eastern Japan would be too contaminated to be inhabitable.

On 12/2/2011 (JST), something like “fire” was observed beside reactor 4. Since then, a strong light has been set toward Fukuichi camera as if it was hiding something by white out. However, thanks to JNN Fukushima live camera, it was confirmed that the wall of reactor 4 was lost on the south side. At least since 12/5/2011, the wall is missing.



Expert Arnie Gunderson :

[link to akiomatsumura.com]
“… It could have cut Japan in half. But now the winds have turned, so they are heading to the south toward Tokyo and now my concern and my advice to friends that if there is a severe aftershock and the Unit 4 building collapses, leave. We are well beyond where any science has ever gone at that point and nuclear fuel lying on the ground and getting hot is not a condition that anyone has ever analyzed.”


Shit is not over, not by a long shot. And can become worse. Much worse. If they have to evacuate Tokyo, the world economy is DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED.
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
November 30, 2011
Study Shows Worse Picture of Meltdown in Japan
By HIROKO TABUCHI
[link to www.nytimes.com]
TOKYO — Molten nuclear fuel may have bored into the floor of at least one of the reactors at the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, the complex’s operator said Wednesday, citing a new simulation of the accident that crippled the plant in March.
The simulation suggested that the meltdown may have been more severe than had previously been thought.
Soon after an earthquake and a tsunami on March 11 knocked out cooling systems at the power plant, nuclear fuel rods in three of its six reactors overheated and slumped, the operator, the Tokyo Electric Power Company, has said.
In the No. 1 reactor, the overheated fuel may have eroded the primary containment vessel’s thick concrete floor, and it may have gotten almost within a foot of a crucial steel barrier, the utility said the new simulation suggested. Beneath that steel layer is a concrete basement, which is the last barrier before the fuel would have begun to penetrate the earth.
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
The ghost cities of China will soon be populated with the disposessed from the Isles of Japan.
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
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Fukushima: Reactor 4 is FALLING APART

Last edited Mon Dec 12, 2011, 01:28 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

(Note: I have made some minor changes to the bullet points in this article. The source has translated it from Japanese, so I made the changes to make it more legible. The changes do not alter the meaning of the text.)

Published: December 12th, 2011 at 10:30 AM EDT
By Enenews Admin
Report: “Confirmed that the wall of reactor 4 was lost on the south side” (PHOTOS)

* Wall of the south side is falling apart at reactor 4
* Assumed that if another aftershock hits, it will drop the spent fuel pool hung in the building
* The entire area in eastern Japan would be too contaminated to be habitat
* It was confirmed that the wall of reactor 4 was lost on the south side
* At least since 12/5/2011, the wall is missing

photos at link
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
Why can't they build a new pool and move the rods?
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
Isn't Japan sinking too?
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
Why can't they build a new pool and move the rods?
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Because the area is radioactive.
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
Isn't Japan sinking too?
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Nah. Only the parts that were built ON the ocean sank a little during the earthquake.
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What about all the radioactivity that will blow over America?
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Why can't they build a new pool and move the rods?
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Because the area is radioactive.
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Thanks.
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
You all know that if they have to evacuate because of #4 they will have to abandoned the other reactors. All reactors would then probably go into meltdown.
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
There was a Doomsday scenario I pitched about the glob of Mox burning slowly through the containment vessel floor until it hits water/mud and then "blast-vents" (or effuses) up and outwards in a decades long spew of rads killing us all. Well, it hasn't happened yet - most annoying!

So - why?: I suggest TEPCO, faced with inevitable mass irradiation/ extermination of East Japan if (and when) the core exuded the water table, did the next-least, lethal thing and blasted a short tunnel through the nearest wall of the underground complex to the ocean (only 30+ meters away) flooding the complex and the core under 5m of sea. (the u/ground complex goes down a dozen meters I think).

That might explain a brief period when they had a few small explosion-like events a coupla months ago captured on the web cam. So that means they've got a pipeline of radiation blasting straight out at Flipper, but it's penned somewhat by the concrete pier. Anyway, say goodbye to all of the Pacific Ocean that Japan can claim territorially... But saved Tokyo.. and about 1/3 of Japan too.

Proof? You ask? (the nerve!) I went to Cryptome (excellent site) to look if there was any photo evidence for my rumination and lo! I think there was. (The photos were taken "illicitly" by a guy with an RC plane and a camera!!) See the ease for a tunnel path? And then think: what is the alternative? I don't see any mass pumping otherwise. What else is keeping the tons and tons of fuel cool?

Naturally, they still carry on with spraying some asinine garden hose over the top as a fig leaf to cover up suspicion of what they've done... and they'll reveal the truth in dribs and drabs. This also explains why Seattle/CA are getting such high radiation in their rain/fish.. more than us. Not from air dissemination.. but from evaporation and currents! The Divine Wind saves Japan from the barbarian again!
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
The ghost cities of China will soon be populated with the disposessed from the Isles of Japan.
 Quoting: a student of Protean thought 3860250


only the screened females aged 5-35, and they will be required to renounce their Japanese heritage along with their surnames. they will be assigned the root Chinese name of their last names.

this process will kick off in 2012 with a mass event on the scale of their Beijing Olympics.
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
If #4 collapses and gets nasty, we'll nuke it.

We wouldn't be able to get close, but our nuclear missiles would.
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
No need to panic. President Obama is monitoring the sitiation.
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
How can we fix the nuclear problem? With nuclear bombs , yeah why not! :O
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
If #4 collapses and gets nasty, we'll nuke it.

We wouldn't be able to get close, but our nuclear missiles would.
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just sounds like more fuel to the fire to me. Its never been done before has it? seems like it would lead to an even deadlier scenario
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
If #4 collapses and gets nasty, we'll nuke it.

We wouldn't be able to get close, but our nuclear missiles would.
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Yeah BRILLIANT... NOT.
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
How can we fix the nuclear problem? With nuclear bombs , yeah why not! :O
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fuckyeah
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
I think this shit is gonna lead to God opening a time portal, rewinding physical time while we keep our actual accumulated spiritual age. While God sets up His government in the future (that we couldnt physically live through to see because we caused the elements to burn, ripping the heavens apart with our devices)

maybe this disaster IS the beast rising from the sea? Led by Appollyon, and behind him follows hell itself
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And the fish now glow at night.
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Poor people Will turn fish and fish Will turn human, i hope nothing Will happend :/ , o love japan
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
I don't think the Japanese want to live in China.
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
I think this shit is gonna lead to God opening a time portal, rewinding physical time while we keep our actual accumulated spiritual age. While God sets up His government in the future (that we couldnt physically live through to see because we caused the elements to burn, ripping the heavens apart with our devices)

maybe this disaster IS the beast rising from the sea? Led by Appollyon, and behind him follows hell itself
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3404973


...god opening a time portal.

mm'kay. not sure what drugs you are on but you either need more or less of them.
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
If #4 collapses and gets nasty, we'll nuke it.

We wouldn't be able to get close, but our nuclear missiles would.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1062912


just sounds like more fuel to the fire to me. Its never been done before has it? seems like it would lead to an even deadlier scenario
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^^u all are fucking stupid..seriously. have you shitheads realized this was all designed. and guess what New Madrid is next. Ya count how many run along there....watch
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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
Hey OP - you're quoting Gunderson from JUNE and dressing it up like it is current stuff. If you actually followed Gunderson, you'd know he isn't talking about this as some imminent issue.

That's enuf for a flag - even a couple:

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Re: Reactor 4 is falling apart, Arnie Gundersen said "If #4 collapses, get the hell out of Japan"
I think this shit is gonna lead to God opening a time portal, rewinding physical time while we keep our actual accumulated spiritual age. While God sets up His government in the future (that we couldnt physically live through to see because we caused the elements to burn, ripping the heavens apart with our devices)

maybe this disaster IS the beast rising from the sea? Led by Appollyon, and behind him follows hell itself
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3404973


...god opening a time portal.

mm'kay. not sure what drugs you are on but you either need more or less of them.
 Quoting: Roentgen®


I'm thinking this was planned demolition. The cuts are to clean for it to have just fallen off. It makes more sense that they are getting ready for the structural panels like they did on #1 and #2. They published a plan for covering the spent fuel pools, back in September, to get ready for demo on the parts that were unstable.
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