Why cannot earth folks envision a world without MONEY!

I have given up everything in my life several times. It didn't separate me from my soul. Find another target for your rants.

American Labor is expensive because of Cost of Living and freedoms here is typically far higher than any other nation. Outside of government regulation, which is inherently destructive on employees and employers, free markets dictate what American labor is worth. If the cost of labor here is too high, business owners will relocate that business to a more cost effective country. Plus american labor won't take 60 days of vacation like Europe meaning you actually have some value in hiring these workers to do their assigned task/operation/mission. Working Hard or Smart mean absolutely NOTHING in the global market place. You can be the best ditch digger and work the hardest and smartest however the second somebody comes in with a crane to dig, my hard and smart work have ZERO value in the market place.

Money is a tool of exchange, yes. Moreover, it is the PRIMARY MEANS OF SURVIVAL in the external world for a human being with their brain being the tool that interprets the external world.

How are you going to EARN SAVE and INVEST enough to live a good life? How much will that cost? adjusted for inflation? What is a good life? When do you want to retire? People need to occupy some real thinking on these questions.

I am a 1%er. I have thought upon, developed strategies & tactics, and realized the answers to these questions. I will not be enslaved by the 99%. My family will eat. We will live in safe neighborhoods. My kids will attend the best schools. These are not my mere opinions; they are fact. I designed my life and my future such that I ensure these certain future events. I will fight to my dying breath to protect my life, family and freedoms.

Truth right there!

Earth was created in absolute innocence, a shadow of our home in the heavenly beyonds, sent in through the mirror/sun, erected into the hologram. We always had the choice to bring it up or send it down, by Love/Equality/Freedom in equal measure, by bringing Heaven to Earth or rather, Earth to Heaven.

We're the seeds supposed to grow into the Flower/Tree.

There is no money in our homes that we left. Its wonderful equality. Everything that we have belongs to all, yet there is no limits on abundance so all are prospered enormously.

And that is the way we should live here. Everyone with a full stomach, not just a roof over their heads, but beauty and abundance, some volunteering (if you're healthy, able bodied and don't have young ones out of school), part time, or full dependign on your wish's and other responsibilities.

High clean technology. Basically Venus Project.

It can be done anywhere. Whole neighborhoods in cities could be joined up and treated like eco farms.

The back yards that many elderly give up on due to the work, and then they think they need to sell and move into apartments, can be shared by the neighborhood groups and grow food for everyone, so the elderly can stay in their own homes, and volunteers manage the gardens and landscaping.

People who wish to downsize can sell and instead of buying the expensive homes, buy into eco farms or a mobile home and actually dontate to their communities. Land donations and yurts for the homeless.

Free energy, brought out and put into workshops with teenagers.

Citizens counsels in every region with online radio, run by students, and college students, and the Natives.

Give everyone a voice and if they are so traumatized or their health so poor, then we advocate for each other.

Most of all, everyone included, respect for every single person, and ensure that the homeless, the poor, the single parents, and everyone has a voice, is heard and respected.

No more telling people what to do, but listening, respecting, understanding, and empowering one another.

We all need to be healing partners for each other.

I wouldn't be waiting.

If they're crashing the economy, this is what needs to spring up under their noses.

But never settle for anything that is run by them, or the elite.

They can take a moneyless eutopia and turn it into slaves.

As the Hopi Elders said, Do not wait for a leader.....We're the ones we've been waiting for.

Stop thinking in terms of limits, jobs, false economy, and instead realize how much we could do if it didn't have a cost, but only took volunteering and cooperation, a shared idea.

And then get together with others and share those ideas.

I offered a pin, hope more do.

Last Edited by Sungaze_At_Dawn on 12/13/2011 12:30 PM

Yes, sarcasm. Truth be told, I love my job, my home and my old car. I want for nothing except what I value, and that is not material things.

But I hope you see that there is alot of people who would take that attitude. "Yay free for me" and not care who had to do the work, as long as it was not them. There are alot of people who already feel like they are owed something in this life without any effert on there part. The majority of people will only do what they have to, because they have to. They will perform some type of work to earn food, shelter and clothing.

well said, but one a world uses money as only an exchange they no longer need it. Money is a dark energy. On a world not using money, in which people are mentally free, they all gift to their society, and the energy of love prevails, and money becomes useless. it is NOT the energy of LOVE.

I am greedy?

Where does that come from? The truth is, I am 64 years old and not as capable of earning money or anything else as I used to be. Soon I will be totally unable to earn more. So yes, I will fight to the death for the things my money REPRESENTS. That is food, medical and shelter in my 'golden years'. I have worked and saved all my life to prepare for this time. And for the simple reason, we are not the angels that OP thinks, we cannot depend on each other for our living needs.

So please do what you said. Appreciate, thank me for what I have done for myself and what I have done to not be a burden on others.

And yes, I could have as aeasily accumulated any wealth besides fiat money. But that is nowhere near the utopia OP imagines. It is simply swapping one form of wealth for another.

All these 'money is the problem' threads are the same. Dreamers VS real-ists

Yep, I see it. That is why I didnt attack you. Those people are still asleep. They are part of the problem.

We have so much potential. More and more people will realize. I just hope enough realize in my time. I would love to see something truly grand happen here on earth.

and it well past time for people to engage that wild fantasy. for of that HUMAN is truly born. The fantasy of so many over wealth from money is a sad sad use of "fantasy" in fact its not fantasy at all, it simply continues the enslavement to money.

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There will be a moment when all laws necessary for the creative maintenance of physical matter and all materializing processes become suspended.

Due to the relative velocities of the various star systems. this event will not be experienced simultaneously in all parts of the universe, but will travel as a wave across the sea of creation.


Existing within this ripple of non-time will be the focused conscious attention of the Creator.

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You have never seen a baby take something from another baby? Greed is instinctive, it is part of the survival instinct, the will to live.

Thankyou and when this currency is discovered we will create a balanced world. Man will gift himself as a society. Some will grow the food, others will distribute it, banking will go away, as will investment counselors and that whole industry built around money. HUMAN will in fact create more technologies, such as robotics that will do much of the actual work. This world must go thru that stage as part of the growing up. Man will long occupy temporary bodies on this world, as it is a seed planet to grow the soul. but he will grow by seeking his spirit and not by seeking wealth and control over others.

I disagree. Completely. I see it more like....


Awake vs Sheep.

The ones saying money is not needed are not the sheep BTW.

People have been brainwashed to believe there is only one real way to live. And that is with money. It is not the only way.

Sounds good (sarcasm). I pick up a broom and pretend to sweep the street. You go to school 1/3 of your life. We earn the same. I sweep the street and you work in a mine or on high voltage or a shrim boat in the north atlantic. All pays the same.

Fair.

I'm going back to a simple primitive way of life. What other people do doesn't affect me. I don't want to be a part of a communist utopia.

This is lovely too, Thankyou. If we provide to everyone all that is needed and created by everyone who makes a contribution, crime goes way down.

Please all of you, STATE your WORK you do for money here and the work you gift this world as "charity" for which you get no pay and tell which ones feels the best? State if your work for which you get paid, is fully worthy of what you have to offer also. I bet if people really look, it' well less than 50%.

I might myself write up a little essay about my "work" and where it satisfied and where it did not. But thats a later story and only IF I need to tell it to teach. I think you ones here can take up that role, if you but will do it, so have at it! As you will notice this morning, I am going thru the posts one by one from the first page, so I don't miss any. Its easy to read and answer the most recent and forget those at the beginning. I will be leaving the computer periodically to do the stuff of life, I am almost out of clean pots and pans and since this body still needs food, (it doesn't but I have reasons to keep it this way), I must muck my way thru the muck in the kitchen.

THOSE of you in this thread who do SEE, you are more than welcome to help others SEE. Have at it. As I said, man must come to envision far more than he has, but you see, if you do not want to evision, you will stay a fool and spend a goodly portion of your life somewhere else where you can continue your fool hood until you desire to use the God given MIND within YOU. Ponder that one, how many more useless shitty lives being a parasite do you want?

this whole thread is fucking dumb, why are you even discussing this shit?

Just an observation...Why do you think they are poisoning everything from air,water to land/food? Because one day we will have to be self sufficient without money, we then can go out and catch our own poison and plant on our own poisonous soil, sure we can build shelter from dying trees which won't last long through harsh weather. My point this whole planet is one huge diseased pit and if we don't die from freezing to death or starvation it will be from their continuious attempts to poison us!

Not a fair fight in the end right? So I read some of your replies and I do agree we need to utilize our inner light in this mess by thinking outside the box, we are our own healers of ourselves and our surrounding environment all we need to do is convince those others of their own capabilities to be able to do this as well and work together to heal this planet and regain the freedom TO LIVE that we all deserve!

God turns all bad into good through pure light energy we all have it in us, now lets start using it for the better of not only mankind but for all on earth and Earth its self!

The first people used their physical ability to hunt/gather. Then they began farming and animal husbandry. Then they began using animals to replace some human labor. They found that working in groups was more efficient that going it alone. After thousands of years they discovered cheap energy and industrialized. Began using mechanical tools and mostly discarded animal labor. Somewhere along the line they found that standardized currency made transactions possible that had not been possible.

Which, if any of these changes did NOT imporve the human condition? None did. Because we, like all intellient life, gravitate to things that work and away from things that harm or do not work. We gravitate to systems that work better than other systems.

No one on this board has any proven system that can replace the system we use today. I see theories, dreams, futurisic fantacies.

Dreamers and realists

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Thanks for the reality check.

The whole idea is stupid beyond comment.

But, you are commenting. If it was "beyond" comment you would stop um..... commenting?

I will leave with.... we will just have to disagree.

Last Edited by Revguard on 12/13/2011 12:48 PM

I thanked the poster for pointing it out.

Yes, you can surely not agree with me. But notice one thing, there are no real replies to my real-life facts.

I will leave with this........

Simple answer.

We have been brainwashed. Too much television, to much promoting the worship of money.

Simple honest answer.

The greatest thing America ever invented was the assembly line right before the Great Depression. Truth right there. there was need for everything made and everyone's help. The assembly line was the driving force behind productivity.

no way, honey.

Because I'm a capitalist. I have no political affiliation except to myself. If it'll make me money then I'm all for it.

Capitalism is the only system that allows the individual to better their station in life. A world without money would be a world with no options, no prospects and no ability to change one's situation in life.

Socialist pigs simply want power and wealth (accumulation of material things) without doing any work. Most people who believe in a moneyless society have been duped into a false mindset where they never assume they will be the ones working in the fields.

Capitalism allows the individual to earn based upon their own skills for survival. This isn't to say that there aren't a few people who inherit their money, but if you are more capable, smarter and more determined than your peers you will likely make more money and be more successful.

People who don't like capitalism are people without any useful skills and do not have the ability to think for themselves or approach a problem in a new way. They want everything to be "fair" and everyone to be "equal".

People are not equal.

Life is not fair.

Get over it.

You will thus be incarnating on another fucked up world, ponder that. Capitalism such as it is, means that a company is worked by cooperation, and all in it PROFIT from what the company does, and are NOT EMPLOYEES. They co create the company. They share in the money taken in. Any other way, and the "employee" is a SLAVE. I worked in hospitals for a long time, and there was NO CREATIVE SPIRIT there, that drove them to better themselves, either the people working in them or the patients. I chose that career to SERVE and while I did where I could, I was still a slave, because creative spirit was not allowed. People are equal, in terms they have a God mind, but it is slavery that divides them and causes huge in equality. Some folks are smarter than others, yes. Because the not so smart are just younger souls who are still growing themselves, unless the brain of course is defective as an interface with their world.

Your post is a tragic fail, it has no heart within. Even the dumbest of people have a worth, and can be part of a cooperative creative venture. Even the retarded in many MOST cases.

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"To desire freedom is an instinct. To secure it requires intelligence. It must be comprehended and self—asserted. To petition for it is to stulify oneself, for a petitioner is a confessed subject and lacks the spirit of a freeman. To rail and rant against tyranny is to manifest inferiority, for there is no tyranny but ignorance; to be conscious of one's powers is to lose consciousness of tyranny. Self government is not a remote aim. It is an intimate and inescapable fact. To govern oneself is a natural imperative, and all tyranny is the miscarriage of self government. The first requisite of freedom is to accept responsibility for the lack of it."

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What is Money?
Money is an agreement
The agreement may be voluntary or coerced, conscious or unconscious, and may fluctuate with time or remain fixed.

within a community
All kinds of communities--large and small; local, national, international, or virtual; cooperative or competitive--may create such an agreement.

to use something as a
medium of exchange.
The money itself can be issued en masse by a central authority or created ad hoc by two consenting parties in a mutual credit system; it may store value or merely mark transactions; it may be backed or valued with something tangible or merely by the issuing authority; and it may take any shape--coins and bills, some chalk marks on a blackboard, or bits of data inside a computer.

I can envision it - A WORLD WITHOUT MONEY!!!

Just like - A WORLD WITHOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY!!!

Or, - A WORLD WITHOUT SUCH AND SUCH NATURAL RIGHT!!!

It's not hard to envision: a revolutionary army on the streets with machine guns and, perhaps, smart looking berets decorated with revolutionary ornaments; an all powerful Central Committee for the Defense of the People Against Money; a network of re-education centers for "resistors"...

We've seen it all before. Convince the sheeple that all our problems stem from a basic facet of human nature. Then, in the process of "correcting" that natural defect...enslave them!