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Cybermerc (OP) User ID: 1254056 United States 12/13/2011 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Military no longer authorized to indefinitely detain US citizens under the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) Apparently when congress actually fixes something they fucked up no one cares. "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison “The first time you blow someone away is not an insignificant event. That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.” - Marine Gen. James Mattis |
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Cybermerc (OP) User ID: 1254056 United States 12/13/2011 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Military no longer authorized to indefinitely detain US citizens under the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) Or nobody believes a senator. Was he one of the 93 traitors that voted for it, per chance? Did you actually read what I added below the dotted line? [link to thomas.loc.gov] Section 1031 (e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States. Last Edited by Cybermerc on 12/13/2011 10:33 PM "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison “The first time you blow someone away is not an insignificant event. That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.” - Marine Gen. James Mattis |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1113183 United States 12/13/2011 10:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Military no longer authorized to indefinitely detain US citizens under the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) The Feinstein amendment did not pass. I watched that part. it failed. Why he told you it passed I do not know. But I do know nothing about the Levin/McCain 1031 part is changed it includes U.S. citizens. The Feinstein failed that would have excluded U.S. Citizens failed by 20 votes I believe. Your Senator lied to you. Which shouldn't be a surprise to you. |
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Girl Genius User ID: 1133676 United States 12/13/2011 10:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Military no longer authorized to indefinitely detain US citizens under the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) Not doomy enough for GLP Thanks for posting, Cybermerc! And more importantly, thanks for your continued involvement and communications with your representatives. For what it's worth my husband and I keep in good contact with ours, lol. Sure we have a file by now :) For nothing is secret that will not be revealed… |
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Cybermerc (OP) User ID: 1254056 United States 12/13/2011 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Military no longer authorized to indefinitely detain US citizens under the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) Check the link it I posted. Section 1031 (e) is in there. Its also in [link to www.gpo.gov] page 428 Thats the latest update they have for it. So unless you guys have another .gov source I'll believe whats written there. "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison “The first time you blow someone away is not an insignificant event. That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.” - Marine Gen. James Mattis |
Cybermerc (OP) User ID: 1254056 United States 12/13/2011 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Military no longer authorized to indefinitely detain US citizens under the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) Not doomy enough for GLP Thanks for posting, Cybermerc! And more importantly, thanks for your continued involvement and communications with your representatives. For what it's worth my husband and I keep in good contact with ours, lol. Sure we have a file by now :) LOL, yeah I know I shouldn't try to make doom go away on this site. I was pretty worried about the previous version of the Act so I made sure to write my Senators. One of them Udall, tried to get the original wording removed. I'm sure I have a file too, with as many times that I have written them. I'm okay with that. I'd rather voice my opinion to someone that can actually do something about whatever it may be then be silent. "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison “The first time you blow someone away is not an insignificant event. That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.” - Marine Gen. James Mattis |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1210277 United States 12/13/2011 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Military no longer authorized to indefinitely detain US citizens under the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) You mean "The Frankenstein Amendment" The Feinstein amendment did not pass. I watched that part. it failed. Why he told you it passed I do not know. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1113183 But I do know nothing about the Levin/McCain 1031 part is changed it includes U.S. citizens. The Feinstein failed that would have excluded U.S. Citizens failed by 20 votes I believe. Your Senator lied to you. Which shouldn't be a surprise to you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1013803 United States 12/13/2011 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Military no longer authorized to indefinitely detain US citizens under the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) The Feinstein amendment did not pass. I watched that part. it failed. Why he told you it passed I do not know. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1113183 But I do know nothing about the Levin/McCain 1031 part is changed it includes U.S. citizens. The Feinstein failed that would have excluded U.S. Citizens failed by 20 votes I believe. Your Senator lied to you. Which shouldn't be a surprise to you. My Congressman's office Lied to me today too, about this same issue, so I am not surprised in the least. the bastards! |
Royslist User ID: 1611270 United States 12/13/2011 10:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Military no longer authorized to indefinitely detain US citizens under the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) very good coverage of the Frankenstein Amendment here: [link to issuesoncall.blogspot.com] He lied to you. If the most important knowledge was shared openly with everyone it would surely be Vulgarized. KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW TO BE NOWHERE BUT NOW-HERE "42" Fill your blood with Gold and let go of Black Metal |
Cybermerc (OP) User ID: 1254056 United States 12/13/2011 10:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Military no longer authorized to indefinitely detain US citizens under the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) The Feinstein amendment did not pass. I watched that part. it failed. Why he told you it passed I do not know. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1113183 But I do know nothing about the Levin/McCain 1031 part is changed it includes U.S. citizens. The Feinstein failed that would have excluded U.S. Citizens failed by 20 votes I believe. Your Senator lied to you. Which shouldn't be a surprise to you. How recently did you see this happen? Was it on Dec 3rd or so? That was for a different amendment. That amendment was to limit military detentions to only those captured overseas and that did fail by 55-35. The wording in Section 1031 (e) was a different amendment. "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison “The first time you blow someone away is not an insignificant event. That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.” - Marine Gen. James Mattis |
Cybermerc (OP) User ID: 1254056 United States 12/13/2011 11:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Military no longer authorized to indefinitely detain US citizens under the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) it will be up to the courts to overturn this law now once obama signs it into power, which he will, make no mistake. Quoting: Royslist very good coverage of the Frankenstein Amendment here: [link to issuesoncall.blogspot.com] He lied to you. Actually in the link it states "While a compromise amendment introduced by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) was settled upon, Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) contends that it is merely “cleverly worded nonsense,” and does not actually protect Americans as it is claimed to do." So it was added, he didn't lie. He just didn't tell the whole truth. And after reading that article it does raise some interesting questions. Like this statement,"Feinstein admits that her amendment was more of a “truce” between the two opposing groups, and that it ultimately leaves the issue of detention to the courts." So what the hell was the point of even adding it. Grrrr Last Edited by Cybermerc on 12/13/2011 11:11 PM "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison “The first time you blow someone away is not an insignificant event. That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.” - Marine Gen. James Mattis |
Cybermerc (OP) User ID: 1254056 United States 12/13/2011 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Military no longer authorized to indefinitely detain US citizens under the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) Dear Senator Bennet, First off, thank you for your initial reply to my question regarding this. Second, I don't believe the Sen. Feinstein Amendment to SEC 1031 of the NDAA will really make much difference. She even admits to it, "Feinstein admits that her amendment was more of a “truce” between the two opposing groups, and that it ultimately leaves the issue of detention to the courts." And even the bill originators think the Amendment will have no affect, "The final amendment to preserve current detention restrictions could turn out to be meaningless and Sens. [Carl] Levin and [Lindsey] Graham [R-S.C.] made clear that they believe this power to use the military against American citizens will not be affected by the new language." Source - [link to issuesoncall.blogspot.com] Frankly this is very troublesome. I am hopeful President Obama will Veto this bill or at worst it will be over turned by the Supreme Court. And to those that gave this 1 star, right back at ya at least I'm talking to my representative, what are you doing about it? "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison “The first time you blow someone away is not an insignificant event. That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.” - Marine Gen. James Mattis |
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