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National Defense Authorization Act passed through House Committee today! Not reported in the news... | |
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| The Grand Illusion (OP) User ID: 6726880 United States12/14/2011 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: National Defense Authorization Act passed through House Committee today! Not reported in the news... Ron Paul voted aye for motion to instruct conferees on this bill so all's well...one of the last votes they had on it...Dec 7th...so....I'm sure it doesn't mean what you all think it does...or he wouldv'e been raising holy hell about it...right? [link to clerk.house.gov] Ron Paul has been very outspoken publicly about this. Who knows why he voted that way, but instructions aren't binding. He was real outspoken about that McCain Durbin amendment...which was scrubbed...and well it should have been, along with McCain and Durbin both...half senile old fucktards....but I haven't heard much lately since that amendment was struck down from him or anyone else...that was the real detention amendment that everyone was rightfully pissed off about...really IMO it's a very long stretch to find the sinister in the Sec 1031 or whatever it is... It's why the fervor has mostly died down over over this bill...the real problem was removed. There is no bill, act, law or amendment which says, "The Federal govt cannot make you wear a pancake on your head all day"...because there doesn't have to be...these bills say what they can do...if it doesn't say it's allowed?....then they cannot just make shit up and do it. Yeah I know they over reach a lot, but they do that anyway...it's why you fight back against it...but I just don't see this allowing for the major jumps it would take to reach the conclusion that a lot of people think would happen. I appreciate your optimism...I don't agree, but your points are valid. I think only time will tell, though. Last Edited by The Grand Illusion on 12/14/2011 09:53 PM “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.” "The Law of Fives states simply that: All things happen in fives, or are divisible by or are multiples of five, or are somehow directly or indirectly appropriate to 5. The Law of Fives is never wrong." "Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will. I sure could use a vacation from this bull-shit three ring circus sideshow of freaks." "It's the end of the world as we know it...and I feel fine." "There is so much more and it beckons me to look though to these, infinite possibilities. As below so above and beyond I imagine, drawn outside the lines of reason. Push the envelope. Watch it bend." "Solve et Coagula." |
| SilverPatriot User ID: 1607242 United States12/14/2011 10:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: National Defense Authorization Act passed through House Committee today! Not reported in the news... Ron Paul voted aye for motion to instruct conferees on this bill so all's well...one of the last votes they had on it...Dec 7th...so....I'm sure it doesn't mean what you all think it does...or he wouldv'e been raising holy hell about it...right? [link to clerk.house.gov] I am not certain about what you are on about however H.R.1540 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 states that we should not allow our defenses to falter and Ron Paul would like to remove America as a police state he does not want our defense capabilities to falter. National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 . [link to thomas.loc.gov] There is a difence in being meddling and preventing us from being sitting ducks that simple. Last Edited by SilverPatriot - Memorial on 12/14/2011 10:21 PM |
| The Grand Illusion (OP) User ID: 6726880 United States12/14/2011 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: National Defense Authorization Act passed through House Committee today! Not reported in the news... Ron Paul voted aye for motion to instruct conferees on this bill so all's well...one of the last votes they had on it...Dec 7th...so....I'm sure it doesn't mean what you all think it does...or he wouldv'e been raising holy hell about it...right? [link to clerk.house.gov] I am not certain about what you are on about however H.R.1540 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 states that we should not allow our defenses to falter and Ron Paul would like to remove America as a police state he does not want our defense capabilities to falter. National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 . [link to thomas.loc.gov] There is a difence in being meddling and preventing us from being sitting ducks that simple. “I think the Patriot Act is unpatriotic because it undermines our liberty,” Paul said. “I'm concerned, as everybody is, about the terrorist attack . . . Terrorism is still on the books, internationally and nationally, it's a crime and we should deal with it.” Paul added, however, that the framers of the Constitution warned the country not to “sacrifice liberty for security,” yet “Today it seems too easy that our government and our congresses are so willing to give up our liberties for our security.” “I have a personal belief that you never have to give up liberty for security. You can still provide security without sacrificing our Bill of Rights,” added Paul, to which the candidate was met with a round of applause. [link to rt.com] “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.” "The Law of Fives states simply that: All things happen in fives, or are divisible by or are multiples of five, or are somehow directly or indirectly appropriate to 5. The Law of Fives is never wrong." "Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will. I sure could use a vacation from this bull-shit three ring circus sideshow of freaks." "It's the end of the world as we know it...and I feel fine." "There is so much more and it beckons me to look though to these, infinite possibilities. As below so above and beyond I imagine, drawn outside the lines of reason. Push the envelope. Watch it bend." "Solve et Coagula." |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7042942  Australia12/15/2011 12:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: National Defense Authorization Act passed through House Committee today! Not reported in the news... I encourage you all to read this article: [link to armstrongeconomics.files.wordpress.com] Good luck America, you guys are really gonna need it ! |
| The Grand Illusion (OP) User ID: 6726880 United States12/15/2011 01:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: National Defense Authorization Act passed through House Committee today! Not reported in the news... I say, think about how things were only ten...maybe five...even only two years ago, and then just take a good look around you at things now. How much has everything changed...and in what direction is it changing? Look at the overall picture honestly...and then ask yourself how harmless a law like this can be. Think about how some older laws were fit for the time...but then how they are taken out of original context and misused today. And then ask yourself how harmless this law can be. FEMA on your doorstep the day after this is law? It's possible, but I doubt it. A law with the potential to be used against it's own citizens never to actually be abused? Again, possible but doubtful. Think again about the direction that the world is headed in, and then think about the possibilities of this law, and you have the answer. “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.” "The Law of Fives states simply that: All things happen in fives, or are divisible by or are multiples of five, or are somehow directly or indirectly appropriate to 5. The Law of Fives is never wrong." "Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will. I sure could use a vacation from this bull-shit three ring circus sideshow of freaks." "It's the end of the world as we know it...and I feel fine." "There is so much more and it beckons me to look though to these, infinite possibilities. As below so above and beyond I imagine, drawn outside the lines of reason. Push the envelope. Watch it bend." "Solve et Coagula." |
