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NDAA/S.1867 censorship of the bill... they are hiding Section 1031!

 
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Well this is interesting.

If you look at the bill on the house's website, they are hiding Section 1031.

The bill :
[link to clerk.house.gov]

Here's what's shown...
Subtitle D--Detainee Matters

SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

SEC. 1036. PROCEDURES FOR STATUS DETERMINATIONS.

SEC. 1037. CLARIFICATION OF RIGHT TO PLEAD GUILTY IN TRIAL OF CAPITAL OFFENSE BY MILITARY COMMISSION.


No section 1031.

But if you click on SUBTITLE D--Detainee Matters, what do we find?

Subtitle D--Detainee Matters

SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.



Section 1031. What a coincidence that this section in particular is hidden from the main index...
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Re: NDAA/S.1867 censorship of the bill... they are hiding Section 1031!
Well this is interesting.

If you look at the bill on the house's website, they are hiding Section 1031.

The bill :
[link to clerk.house.gov]

Here's what's shown...
Subtitle D--Detainee Matters

SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

SEC. 1036. PROCEDURES FOR STATUS DETERMINATIONS.

SEC. 1037. CLARIFICATION OF RIGHT TO PLEAD GUILTY IN TRIAL OF CAPITAL OFFENSE BY MILITARY COMMISSION.


No section 1031.

But if you click on SUBTITLE D--Detainee Matters, what do we find?

Subtitle D--Detainee Matters

SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.



Section 1031. What a coincidence that this section in particular is hidden from the main index...
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and request for pin!
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SHIN THIS PIT!
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Vote TODAY in the house.
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Vote TODAY in the house.
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IF THIS BILL PASSES: BYE BYE, AMERICA
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good luck
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Will America die today?
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Obama will sign it...he wants another four years....if he were to veto it would bring in much more scrutiny of this section of the bill.
Don't forget the US has detained citizens on American soil and put them in detention camps without this authorization...just ask a Japanese American who lived in california during WW2.We the people....better wake up!
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This is all quite interesting but if you start arresting US citizens how long will it take for word to get out? How long before people turn against it and then they are determined to be enemies of the state? And how the hell does all of this get paid for without taxpayers? You can't go to your job if you're all imprisoned in FEMA camps?

And what happens to Americas moral high ground when it comes to human rights?
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Vote TODAY in the house.
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IF THIS BILL PASSES: BYE BYE, AMERICA
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If it passes, this is a literal declaration of war against the citizens of this nation. When th government of a free nation REMOVES all the rights of the citizen, it is the exact same thing as declaring itself the enemy of the citizen. Read the Declaration of Independence for the proper response to such.

The ONLY thing that has kept this country free for this long, is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. If you remove the Constitution and Bill of Rights, this nation is NO better than 1941 Nazi Germany, and faces a remarkably similar result. Only this being a super high-tech nightmare version.
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Section 1031, which relates to the use of the armed forces to detain covered people “pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force,” has a very narrow purpose of describing detention “under the law of war” of people who either participated in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, or is a member or “substantial supporter” of al-Qaida, the Taliban, or “associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners.”


[link to www.dailyinterlake.com]

It appears somebody HAS seen/read this before.
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the bill does not show up on the link or in its search
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12/14/2011 08:17 AM
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The legislative year ends on Friday, so they've ``got`` to pass this bill before Friday.

And they will.
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This is all quite interesting but if you start arresting US citizens how long will it take for word to get out? How long before people turn against it and then they are determined to be enemies of the state? And how the hell does all of this get paid for without taxpayers? You can't go to your job if you're all imprisoned in FEMA camps?

And what happens to Americas moral high ground when it comes to human rights?
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i don't know, go ask these guys:

[link to proliberty.com]

or stay stupid
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The legislative year ends on Friday, so they've ``got`` to pass this bill before Friday.

And they will.
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where is the bill on your link?
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The legislative year ends on Friday, so they've ``got`` to pass this bill before Friday.

And they will.
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where is the bill on your link?
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[link to thomas.loc.gov]
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The legislative year ends on Friday, so they've ``got`` to pass this bill before Friday.

And they will.
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where is the bill on your link?
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[link to www.gpo.gov]

[link to thomas.loc.gov]
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The legislative year ends on Friday, so they've ``got`` to pass this bill before Friday.

And they will.
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where is the bill on your link?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7067987


[link to www.gpo.gov]

[link to thomas.loc.gov]
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H.R.1540 does this bill keep getting re-titled?
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the bill does not show up on the link or in its search
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its "Revision" #6
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I see bunch of yes but i havent seen anything that i can trust, been watching govtrack and it still hadnt passed in the house

anyone know?
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I see bunch of yes but i havent seen anything that i can trust, been watching govtrack and it still hadnt passed in the house

anyone know?
 Quoting: Blackhawkie


Final vote on the bill TODAY.
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Vote TODAY in the house.
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IF THIS BILL PASSES: BYE BYE, AMERICA
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"(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States."

there's the key word: requirement, meaning they don't have to detain american citizens, but can under their discretion.

this will go into effect 60 days after signing by pres.

a state attorney chimed in on this and pointed out the wording: requirement on a thread days ago.

and remember, once it's passed, it will be modified as it goes without people knowing.

[link to thomas.loc.gov]
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Considering the country seems to be experiencing some kind of awakening, and have realized their basic civil rights have been threatened in general (if not their wallets).... wouldn't it be advantageous to BHO's campaign to veto this bill to redeem himself on some level ??? Just as his pretense in withdrawing troops from IRAQ the year of his potential re-election??? Is this simply another ploy ?
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I see bunch of yes but i havent seen anything that i can trust, been watching govtrack and it still hadnt passed in the house

anyone know?
 Quoting: Blackhawkie


Final vote on the bill TODAY.
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can i get a link where it says that?
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