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Considering the country seems to be experiencing some kind of awakening, and have realized their basic civil rights have been threatened in general (if not their wallets).... wouldn't it be advantageous to BHO's campaign to veto this bill to redeem himself on some level ??? Just as his pretense in withdrawing troops from IRAQ the year of his potential re-election??? Is this simply another ploy ?
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he cannot veto a bill that passes with huge majority as it has done thus far.

again, here is your culprits, the personalities you're dealing with:

[link to proliberty.com]
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if obummmy vetoes it he'll have a good poll?
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It's going down fast, now..............
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the bill does not show up on the link or in its search
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its "Revision" #6
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It's funny, I dont recall anyone ever referring to Osama Bin Ladin, or Al Qaeda as "Belligerant" but now "We All can be Labeled as such.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Partial Definition"


A belligerent is an individual, group, country or other entity which acts in a hostile manner, such as engaging in combat. Belligerent comes from Latin, literally meaning "to wage war". Unlike the colloquial use of belligerent to mean aggressive, its formal use does not necessarily imply that the belligerent country is an aggressor.
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I must have woken up in a new timeline where this hasn't already been going on for a decade.
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Obama will sign it...he wants another four years....if he were to veto it would bring in much more scrutiny of this section of the bill.
Don't forget the US has detained citizens on American soil and put them in detention camps without this authorization...just ask a Japanese American who lived in california during WW2.We the people....better wake up!
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Wow, that TEA party is sure doing its job, isnt it? I can sure see that Tea being hurled into Boston Harbor as we speak. Yes sir.
TEA party good. OWS bad.
What a curious dichotomy of diversions.
Will we never stop being played for fools? Now this is a true Contract on America, ala-Newt Gingrich.

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Vote TODAY in the house.
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IF THIS BILL PASSES: BYE BYE, AMERICA
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Oh, the DRAH'MA....
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Tea???


Many tossing the 'whatever' to the curb


It is going down now.




This is one of their final maneuvers before hammering the folks like nails.


Opine demise


the people led to paralysis


by fear



tragedy without much comedy~
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the bill does not show up on the link or in its search
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its "Revision" #6
 Quoting: ***DRAGOON***


It's funny, I dont recall anyone ever referring to Osama Bin Ladin, or Al Qaeda as "Belligerant" but now "We All can be Labeled as such.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Partial Definition"


A belligerent is an individual, group, country or other entity which acts in a hostile manner, such as engaging in combat. Belligerent comes from Latin, literally meaning "to wage war". Unlike the colloquial use of belligerent to mean aggressive, its formal use does not necessarily imply that the belligerent country is an aggressor.
 Quoting: ***DRAGOON***


Belligerent drunks hardest hit :(

We know this will slide thru as the congresscritters want to get home for Christmas.
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I must have woken up in a new timeline where this hasn't already been going on for a decade.
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right. if they want to incite the public so bad, why not have cops and military drive around throwing pies in our faces. but i think it's to incite just those that the pharma and tv and frequency mind control stuff isn't working on.

then it will be easy to cull the obedient ones, even the police and military, just like night of the long knives, when hitler had his SS kill the brown pants.
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Section 1031, which relates to the use of the armed forces to detain covered people “pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force,” has a very narrow purpose of describing detention “under the law of war” of people who either participated in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, or is a member or “substantial supporter” of al-Qaida, the Taliban, or “associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners.”


[link to www.dailyinterlake.com]

It appears somebody HAS seen/read this before.
 Quoting: chaakin



Dealing with associated forces: closest I could find in a law dictionary is association:

Association
A group of people who have joined together for a common purpose. Unlike a corporation, an association is not a legal entity. To make this distinction the term "unincorporated association" is often used, although technically redundant.

[link to www.nolo.com]

Can mean sovereign citizen movement, libertarians, constitutionalists, etc.

And according to the SPLC; these are part of the over all right wing extremist groups, i.e. domestic terrorists, who seek to cause great harm to the US and its citizens.
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"- James Madison

"Joining the military does not mean that you will be defending the country. The purpose of the U.S. military should be to defend the United States. Period. Yet, one of the greatest myths ever invented is that the current U.S. military somehow defends our freedoms. First of all, our freedoms are not in danger of being taken away by foreign countries; if they are taken away it will be by our own government. It is not a country making war on us that we need to fear, it is our government making war on the Bill of Rights. And second, how is stationing troops in 150 different regions of the world on hundreds of U.S. military bases defending our freedoms? It is not the purpose of the U.S. military to change regimes, secure the borders of other countries, or spread democracy at gunpoint. The Department of Defense should first and foremost be the Department of Homeland Security."--Laurence Vance--
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I must have woken up in a new timeline where this hasn't already been going on for a decade.
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right. if they want to incite the public so bad, why not have cops and military drive around throwing pies in our faces. but i think it's to incite just those that the pharma and tv and frequency mind control stuff isn't working on.

then it will be easy to cull the obedient ones, even the police and military, just like night of the long knives, when hitler had his SS kill the brown pants.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7067987


That's the point, they're not inciting anybody.

How long has martial law been on the books? A couple hundred years?

Why are we freaking out now?

You don't really expect them to honor the constitution if total rebellion breaks out do you?

Of course they wouldn't and neither would you.
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The Chairman has declared WAR against Citizens of the United States of America....................poop
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The Chairman has declared WAR against Citizens of the United States of America....................poop
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bsflag

What are you gonna do about it if what you claim is true?

That's right...absolutely nothing.
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"(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States."

there's the key word: requirement, meaning they don't have to detain american citizens, but can under their discretion.

this will go into effect 60 days after signing by pres.

a state attorney chimed in on this and pointed out the wording: requirement on a thread days ago.

and remember, once it's passed, it will be modified as it goes without people knowing.

[link to thomas.loc.gov]
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^This!
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I must have woken up in a new timeline where this hasn't already been going on for a decade.
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right. if they want to incite the public so bad, why not have cops and military drive around throwing pies in our faces. but i think it's to incite just those that the pharma and tv and frequency mind control stuff isn't working on.

then it will be easy to cull the obedient ones, even the police and military, just like night of the long knives, when hitler had his SS kill the brown pants.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7067987


That's the point, they're not inciting anybody.

How long has martial law been on the books? A couple hundred years?

Why are we freaking out now?

You don't really expect them to honor the constitution if total rebellion breaks out do you?

Of course they wouldn't and neither would you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7101866


I've tried making a similar point, but it seems to fall on the deaf ears.

Thing is - if they really wanted to "round us up," they'll do it regardless of NDAA/1867 being passed, etc.

Not that we should just be okay with letting this go through Congress and on to the White House and then into law.

It's just that TPTB will do what they want regardless of the law. They always have.
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And what happens to Americas moral high ground when it comes to human rights?
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You mean like, "The whole world's watching"?

By the time the government starts arresting and detaining American citizens, the rest of the world will be too busy dealing with their own problems to waste their energy finger pointing and calling out the American government for so called human rights violations.

This bill is clearly designed to deal with the inevitable rioting and looting which will follow the "natural" distasters, on the horizon for the entire planet.

It's time for you idiots to wake up.

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Seems Paul Simon spoke about Kodachrome...long time back, now Kodachrome film is no more...and Don McClean spoke about it with "Bye, bye Miss American Pie..."???


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I must have woken up in a new timeline where this hasn't already been going on for a decade.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7101866


right. if they want to incite the public so bad, why not have cops and military drive around throwing pies in our faces. but i think it's to incite just those that the pharma and tv and frequency mind control stuff isn't working on.

then it will be easy to cull the obedient ones, even the police and military, just like night of the long knives, when hitler had his SS kill the brown pants.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7067987


That's the point, they're not inciting anybody.

How long has martial law been on the books? A couple hundred years?

Why are we freaking out now?

You don't really expect them to honor the constitution if total rebellion breaks out do you?

Of course they wouldn't and neither would you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7101866


I've tried making a similar point, but it seems to fall on the deaf ears.

Thing is - if they really wanted to "round us up," they'll do it regardless of NDAA/1867 being passed, etc.

Not that we should just be okay with letting this go through Congress and on to the White House and then into law.

It's just that TPTB will do what they want regardless of the law. They always have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144869


Are you telling people they should just give up and accept the recent pieces of anti-freedom legislation without a fight? I'm not being an ass, I'm just really curious if that's how you feel...
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I must have woken up in a new timeline where this hasn't already been going on for a decade.
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right. if they want to incite the public so bad, why not have cops and military drive around throwing pies in our faces. but i think it's to incite just those that the pharma and tv and frequency mind control stuff isn't working on.

then it will be easy to cull the obedient ones, even the police and military, just like night of the long knives, when hitler had his SS kill the brown pants.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7067987


That's the point, they're not inciting anybody.

How long has martial law been on the books? A couple hundred years?

Why are we freaking out now?

You don't really expect them to honor the constitution if total rebellion breaks out do you?

Of course they wouldn't and neither would you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7101866


I've tried making a similar point, but it seems to fall on the deaf ears.

Thing is - if they really wanted to "round us up," they'll do it regardless of NDAA/1867 being passed, etc.

Not that we should just be okay with letting this go through Congress and on to the White House and then into law.

It's just that TPTB will do what they want regardless of the law. They always have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144869


If you saw some of things we aren't ALLOWED to see, this would seem like a walk in the park to you.

People were saying the same thing ten years ago when Bush came out with HIS version of indefinite detention FOR AMERICANS without trial and nothing has happened even remotely close to what people were claiming ten years ago.

So why is it all of the sudden a threat now?

It's not, people are just stupid and they didn't know we were going through this same shit 10 years ago.

They think this is all brand new created single handedly by Obama.

The fools are being controlled again.

Ask yourself...why do you think it is that our government creates panic and then when you dig a little you find out that they are ALL invested in food storage companies, guns, and emergency prepping?

Fucking idiots are so easy to control...even when they THINK they are awake.

The best slaves think they are free.
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right. if they want to incite the public so bad, why not have cops and military drive around throwing pies in our faces. but i think it's to incite just those that the pharma and tv and frequency mind control stuff isn't working on.

then it will be easy to cull the obedient ones, even the police and military, just like night of the long knives, when hitler had his SS kill the brown pants.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7067987


That's the point, they're not inciting anybody.

How long has martial law been on the books? A couple hundred years?

Why are we freaking out now?

You don't really expect them to honor the constitution if total rebellion breaks out do you?

Of course they wouldn't and neither would you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7101866


I've tried making a similar point, but it seems to fall on the deaf ears.

Thing is - if they really wanted to "round us up," they'll do it regardless of NDAA/1867 being passed, etc.

Not that we should just be okay with letting this go through Congress and on to the White House and then into law.

It's just that TPTB will do what they want regardless of the law. They always have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144869


Are you telling people they should just give up and accept the recent pieces of anti-freedom legislation without a fight? I'm not being an ass, I'm just really curious if that's how you feel...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2938296


Give up what exactly?

This shit has been going on since before you were born, why are you freaking out now?

Because now you know about it?

Give me a break rookie.
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right. if they want to incite the public so bad, why not have cops and military drive around throwing pies in our faces. but i think it's to incite just those that the pharma and tv and frequency mind control stuff isn't working on.

then it will be easy to cull the obedient ones, even the police and military, just like night of the long knives, when hitler had his SS kill the brown pants.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7067987


That's the point, they're not inciting anybody.

How long has martial law been on the books? A couple hundred years?

Why are we freaking out now?

You don't really expect them to honor the constitution if total rebellion breaks out do you?

Of course they wouldn't and neither would you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7101866


I've tried making a similar point, but it seems to fall on the deaf ears.

Thing is - if they really wanted to "round us up," they'll do it regardless of NDAA/1867 being passed, etc.

Not that we should just be okay with letting this go through Congress and on to the White House and then into law.

It's just that TPTB will do what they want regardless of the law. They always have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144869


Are you telling people they should just give up and accept the recent pieces of anti-freedom legislation without a fight? I'm not being an ass, I'm just really curious if that's how you feel...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2938296


You give me ONE instance...just one...on how this effects your daily life in the least bit, and I will listen to what you have to say.

Freedom is a state of mind.
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That's the point, they're not inciting anybody.

How long has martial law been on the books? A couple hundred years?

Why are we freaking out now?

You don't really expect them to honor the constitution if total rebellion breaks out do you?

Of course they wouldn't and neither would you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7101866


I've tried making a similar point, but it seems to fall on the deaf ears.

Thing is - if they really wanted to "round us up," they'll do it regardless of NDAA/1867 being passed, etc.

Not that we should just be okay with letting this go through Congress and on to the White House and then into law.

It's just that TPTB will do what they want regardless of the law. They always have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144869


Are you telling people they should just give up and accept the recent pieces of anti-freedom legislation without a fight? I'm not being an ass, I'm just really curious if that's how you feel...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2938296


You give me ONE instance...just one...on how this effects your daily life in the least bit, and I will listen to what you have to say.

Freedom is a state of mind.
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That's the point, they're not inciting anybody.

How long has martial law been on the books? A couple hundred years?

Why are we freaking out now?

You don't really expect them to honor the constitution if total rebellion breaks out do you?

Of course they wouldn't and neither would you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7101866


I've tried making a similar point, but it seems to fall on the deaf ears.

Thing is - if they really wanted to "round us up," they'll do it regardless of NDAA/1867 being passed, etc.

Not that we should just be okay with letting this go through Congress and on to the White House and then into law.

It's just that TPTB will do what they want regardless of the law. They always have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144869


Are you telling people they should just give up and accept the recent pieces of anti-freedom legislation without a fight? I'm not being an ass, I'm just really curious if that's how you feel...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2938296


Give up what exactly?

This shit has been going on since before you were born, why are you freaking out now?

Because now you know about it?

Give me a break rookie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7101866


It's me, the rookie...I forgot to sign in.

I'm not freaking out and I know that this stuff has been gradually building for a very long time. I honestly just wanted to know if that's how you felt because I feel very differently. Maybe it's naive, but I will always think that some things are worth fighting for, even if it's in very small ways like waking the people around you up to reality or preparing as best you can for your family's safety if things get really bad. Maybe things really are on an unchangeable trajectory, but it's not in my nature to go quietly and make it too easy for them.
I don't know where you get your delusions, laser brain.
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I've tried making a similar point, but it seems to fall on the deaf ears.

Thing is - if they really wanted to "round us up," they'll do it regardless of NDAA/1867 being passed, etc.

Not that we should just be okay with letting this go through Congress and on to the White House and then into law.

It's just that TPTB will do what they want regardless of the law. They always have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144869


Are you telling people they should just give up and accept the recent pieces of anti-freedom legislation without a fight? I'm not being an ass, I'm just really curious if that's how you feel...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2938296


Give up what exactly?

This shit has been going on since before you were born, why are you freaking out now?

Because now you know about it?

Give me a break rookie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7101866


It's me, the rookie...I forgot to sign in.

I'm not freaking out and I know that this stuff has been gradually building for a very long time. I honestly just wanted to know if that's how you felt because I feel very differently. Maybe it's naive, but I will always think that some things are worth fighting for, even if it's in very small ways like waking the people around you up to reality or preparing as best you can for your family's safety if things get really bad. Maybe things really are on an unchangeable trajectory, but it's not in my nature to go quietly and make it too easy for them.
 Quoting: thinkingoutsidetherhombus


Do you really think you're slowing them down at ALL?

You give power to what you fight. Ponder on that for a minute...let it stew for a while, and always remember that grasshopper, for it is a FACT.
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That's the point, they're not inciting anybody.

How long has martial law been on the books? A couple hundred years?

Why are we freaking out now?

You don't really expect them to honor the constitution if total rebellion breaks out do you?

Of course they wouldn't and neither would you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7101866


I've tried making a similar point, but it seems to fall on the deaf ears.

Thing is - if they really wanted to "round us up," they'll do it regardless of NDAA/1867 being passed, etc.

Not that we should just be okay with letting this go through Congress and on to the White House and then into law.

It's just that TPTB will do what they want regardless of the law. They always have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144869


Are you telling people they should just give up and accept the recent pieces of anti-freedom legislation without a fight? I'm not being an ass, I'm just really curious if that's how you feel...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2938296


You give me ONE instance...just one...on how this effects your daily life in the least bit, and I will listen to what you have to say.

Freedom is a state of mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7101866


Oh how I wish that were true. I'm not interested in a pissing match or sharing any personal stories with you. You can ride off on your high horse now...
I don't know where you get your delusions, laser brain.
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Re: NDAA/S.1867 censorship of the bill... they are hiding Section 1031!
Can someone give me just one reason why voting for this bill, in direct contravention to the Constitution and in direct opposition to civil rights law, is not in itself a felony, and voting with other senators isn't conspiracy commit a felony?
 Quoting: Walkers Everywhere


You're the conservative, it was YOUR best buddy Bush that started doing all this openly.

So why don't you tell us jackass?
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Are you telling people they should just give up and accept the recent pieces of anti-freedom legislation without a fight? I'm not being an ass, I'm just really curious if that's how you feel...
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Give up what exactly?

This shit has been going on since before you were born, why are you freaking out now?

Because now you know about it?

Give me a break rookie.
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It's me, the rookie...I forgot to sign in.

I'm not freaking out and I know that this stuff has been gradually building for a very long time. I honestly just wanted to know if that's how you felt because I feel very differently. Maybe it's naive, but I will always think that some things are worth fighting for, even if it's in very small ways like waking the people around you up to reality or preparing as best you can for your family's safety if things get really bad. Maybe things really are on an unchangeable trajectory, but it's not in my nature to go quietly and make it too easy for them.
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Do you really think you're slowing them down at ALL?

You give power to what you fight. Ponder on that for a minute...let it stew for a while, and always remember that grasshopper, for it is a FACT.
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"You give power to what you fight."

That, my friends, is some scary propaganda. Who do you work for, anyway?
I don't know where you get your delusions, laser brain.
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Re: NDAA/S.1867 censorship of the bill... they are hiding Section 1031!
Can someone give me just one reason why voting for this bill, in direct contravention to the Constitution and in direct opposition to civil rights law, is not in itself a felony, and voting with other senators isn't conspiracy commit a felony?
 Quoting: Walkers Everywhere


Might have something to do with the tort laws? All I really know is they consider themselves immune from any and all laws, as is apparent with the the corruption said members have been involved with. Anyone of us caught doing the things they have done would go straight to federal prison for life.
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"- James Madison

"Joining the military does not mean that you will be defending the country. The purpose of the U.S. military should be to defend the United States. Period. Yet, one of the greatest myths ever invented is that the current U.S. military somehow defends our freedoms. First of all, our freedoms are not in danger of being taken away by foreign countries; if they are taken away it will be by our own government. It is not a country making war on us that we need to fear, it is our government making war on the Bill of Rights. And second, how is stationing troops in 150 different regions of the world on hundreds of U.S. military bases defending our freedoms? It is not the purpose of the U.S. military to change regimes, secure the borders of other countries, or spread democracy at gunpoint. The Department of Defense should first and foremost be the Department of Homeland Security."--Laurence Vance--
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Holy Zip-tie cuffs, Occupy Man!!!

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