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NDAA/S.1867 censorship of the bill... they are hiding Section 1031! | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1486940  United States12/14/2011 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7101866 United States12/14/2011 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144869 I've tried making a similar point, but it seems to fall on the deaf ears. Thing is - if they really wanted to "round us up," they'll do it regardless of NDAA/1867 being passed, etc. Not that we should just be okay with letting this go through Congress and on to the White House and then into law. It's just that TPTB will do what they want regardless of the law. They always have. Are you telling people they should just give up and accept the recent pieces of anti-freedom legislation without a fight? I'm not being an ass, I'm just really curious if that's how you feel... You give me ONE instance...just one...on how this effects your daily life in the least bit, and I will listen to what you have to say. Freedom is a state of mind. Oh how I wish that were true. I'm not interested in a pissing match or sharing any personal stories with you. You can ride off on your high horse now... Really? You can't even think of ONE single instance? Point proven. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7101866 United States12/14/2011 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7101866 Give up what exactly? This shit has been going on since before you were born, why are you freaking out now? Because now you know about it? Give me a break rookie. It's me, the rookie...I forgot to sign in. I'm not freaking out and I know that this stuff has been gradually building for a very long time. I honestly just wanted to know if that's how you felt because I feel very differently. Maybe it's naive, but I will always think that some things are worth fighting for, even if it's in very small ways like waking the people around you up to reality or preparing as best you can for your family's safety if things get really bad. Maybe things really are on an unchangeable trajectory, but it's not in my nature to go quietly and make it too easy for them. Do you really think you're slowing them down at ALL? You give power to what you fight. Ponder on that for a minute...let it stew for a while, and always remember that grasshopper, for it is a FACT. "You give power to what you fight." That, my friends, is some scary propaganda. Who do you work for, anyway? Any run of the mill jackass knows that...how old are you 12? |
| thinkingoutsidetherhombus Official Disney princess.  User ID: 2938296 United States12/14/2011 12:10 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2938296 Are you telling people they should just give up and accept the recent pieces of anti-freedom legislation without a fight? I'm not being an ass, I'm just really curious if that's how you feel... You give me ONE instance...just one...on how this effects your daily life in the least bit, and I will listen to what you have to say. Freedom is a state of mind. Oh how I wish that were true. I'm not interested in a pissing match or sharing any personal stories with you. You can ride off on your high horse now... Really? You can't even think of ONE single instance? Point proven. Like I said, I don't want to make it too easy. Go look in my secret service file if you want to know my story...you obviously have access. "Don't tell me truth hurts, little girl, 'cause it hurts like hell" -Jareth |
| thinkingoutsidetherhombus Official Disney princess. User ID: 2938296 United States12/14/2011 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: thinkingoutsidetherhombus It's me, the rookie...I forgot to sign in. I'm not freaking out and I know that this stuff has been gradually building for a very long time. I honestly just wanted to know if that's how you felt because I feel very differently. Maybe it's naive, but I will always think that some things are worth fighting for, even if it's in very small ways like waking the people around you up to reality or preparing as best you can for your family's safety if things get really bad. Maybe things really are on an unchangeable trajectory, but it's not in my nature to go quietly and make it too easy for them. Do you really think you're slowing them down at ALL? You give power to what you fight. Ponder on that for a minute...let it stew for a while, and always remember that grasshopper, for it is a FACT. "You give power to what you fight." That, my friends, is some scary propaganda. Who do you work for, anyway? Any run of the mill jackass knows that...how old are you 12? Touchy, touchy. Okay, so lubing up and bending over is better? Or is holding hands and singing Kumbaya more your speed? I need to know, oh wise one, what's your big plan? "Don't tell me truth hurts, little girl, 'cause it hurts like hell" -Jareth |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6257517 United States12/14/2011 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is all quite interesting but if you start arresting US citizens how long will it take for word to get out? How long before people turn against it Quoting: X 4651805 It's already happened. We the sheeple have done nothing to help and support the tens of thousands of innocent Americans who've ended up on the no-fly list. What makes you think this is going to be any different? The fact is, we've all become so selfish and self absorbed. People don't really give a shit until it happens to them. But then it's too late, because their will be nobody left to protest on your behalf. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7101866 United States12/14/2011 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7101866 You give me ONE instance...just one...on how this effects your daily life in the least bit, and I will listen to what you have to say. Freedom is a state of mind. Oh how I wish that were true. I'm not interested in a pissing match or sharing any personal stories with you. You can ride off on your high horse now... Really? You can't even think of ONE single instance? Point proven. Like I said, I don't want to make it too easy. Go look in my secret service file if you want to know my story...you obviously have access. I'm simply asking you for a single instance on how this effects your every day life and have given you ample time to think of something and you STILL can't do it. Done with you. I win...you lose. |
| BBQ Guy User ID: 1410244 United States12/14/2011 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can someone give me just one reason why voting for this bill, in direct contravention to the Constitution and in direct opposition to civil rights law, is not in itself a felony, and voting with other senators isn't conspiracy commit a felony? Quoting: Walkers Everywhere This might be closer to what I was looking for to answer your question. I agree though it should be considered as such, plus treason would fit well into that category. [link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com] "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"- James Madison "Joining the military does not mean that you will be defending the country. The purpose of the U.S. military should be to defend the United States. Period. Yet, one of the greatest myths ever invented is that the current U.S. military somehow defends our freedoms. First of all, our freedoms are not in danger of being taken away by foreign countries; if they are taken away it will be by our own government. It is not a country making war on us that we need to fear, it is our government making war on the Bill of Rights. And second, how is stationing troops in 150 different regions of the world on hundreds of U.S. military bases defending our freedoms? It is not the purpose of the U.S. military to change regimes, secure the borders of other countries, or spread democracy at gunpoint. The Department of Defense should first and foremost be the Department of Homeland Security."--Laurence Vance-- |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6084553 United States12/14/2011 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is all quite interesting but if you start arresting US citizens how long will it take for word to get out? How long before people turn against it and then they are determined to be enemies of the state? And how the hell does all of this get paid for without taxpayers? You can't go to your job if you're all imprisoned in FEMA camps? Quoting: X 4651805 And what happens to Americas moral high ground when it comes to human rights? Imprisoning people is a market. They'll make money. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7101866 United States12/14/2011 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: thinkingoutsidetherhombus Oh how I wish that were true. I'm not interested in a pissing match or sharing any personal stories with you. You can ride off on your high horse now... Really? You can't even think of ONE single instance? Point proven. Like I said, I don't want to make it too easy. Go look in my secret service file if you want to know my story...you obviously have access. I'm simply asking you for a single instance on how this effects your every day life and have given you ample time to think of something and you STILL can't do it. Done with you. I win...you lose. By the way...since you are too dumb to figure it out I will tell you the correct answer to my question. It doesn't effect your personal everyday life in ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. See ya retard. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1269784 United States12/14/2011 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Considering the country seems to be experiencing some kind of awakening, and have realized their basic civil rights have been threatened in general (if not their wallets).... wouldn't it be advantageous to BHO's campaign to veto this bill to redeem himself on some level ??? Just as his pretense in withdrawing troops from IRAQ the year of his potential re-election??? Is this simply another ploy ? Quoting: TS66 No way BO vetoes, unless of course, he desires to follow in the footsteps of the late great JFK. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7101866 United States12/14/2011 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can someone give me just one reason why voting for this bill, in direct contravention to the Constitution and in direct opposition to civil rights law, is not in itself a felony, and voting with other senators isn't conspiracy commit a felony? Quoting: Walkers Everywhere You're the conservative, it was YOUR best buddy Bush that started doing all this openly. So why don't you tell us jackass? |
| QueenLaFollette User ID: 1316193 United States12/14/2011 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is anyone watching C-SPAN right now? They are giving this bill HELL!!!!! H.R. 1540 If it be asked, What is the most sacred duty and the greatest source of our security in a Republic? The answer would be, An inviolable respect for the Constitution and Laws. Alexander Hamilton |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7077738  Puerto Rico12/14/2011 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6941519 United States12/14/2011 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2938296 Are you telling people they should just give up and accept the recent pieces of anti-freedom legislation without a fight? I'm not being an ass, I'm just really curious if that's how you feel... You give me ONE instance...just one...on how this effects your daily life in the least bit, and I will listen to what you have to say. Freedom is a state of mind. Oh how I wish that were true. I'm not interested in a pissing match or sharing any personal stories with you. You can ride off on your high horse now... Really? You can't even think of ONE single instance? Point proven. You ass ..... the scenario to use these constitutionally illegal acts against US citizens are building all around you, are you too ignorant or arrogant to recognize this ??? Or are you simply a paid shill ?? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1298661 United States12/14/2011 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Discreetly hidden in the 682 pages of this Act (NDAA), you will discover under the title 'Detainee Matters' in §1031 and §1032, Congress has effectively given the Department of Defense the express power to take civilians into military custody and to indefinitely detain people they suspect of terrorism activities with absolutely no charges or trial whatsoever. People in the Arab world have risen up and toppled governments to rid themselves of this very sort of power Congress is handing to the military. This makes a mockery of all those who fought and died in Iraq and Afghanistan under the pretense we are restoring their freedom. Who will invade the USA to liberate us? This has come at the PRECISE time we face civil unrest because of a collapse in the financial system. Instead of rolling up the sleeves and fixing this mess, we are setting the stage for Marshall Law. [link to armstrongeconomics.files.wordpress.com] |
| RollinSoLo User ID: 1342519 United States12/14/2011 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 286081 United States12/14/2011 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it passes, this is a literal declaration of war against the citizens of this nation. When th government of a free nation REMOVES all the rights of the citizen, it is the exact same thing as declaring itself the enemy of the citizen. Read the Declaration of Independence for the proper response to such. The ONLY thing that has kept this country free for this long, is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. If you remove the Constitution and Bill of Rights, this nation is NO better than 1941 Nazi Germany, and faces a remarkably similar result. Only this being a super high-tech nightmare version.  Lock and load peeps. |
| RollinSoLo User ID: 1342519 United States12/14/2011 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7105944  United Kingdom12/14/2011 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If it passes, this is a literal declaration of war against the citizens of this nation. When th government of a free nation REMOVES all the rights of the citizen, it is the exact same thing as declaring itself the enemy of the citizen. Read the Declaration of Independence for the proper response to such. The ONLY thing that has kept this country free for this long, is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. If you remove the Constitution and Bill of Rights, this nation is NO better than 1941 Nazi Germany, and faces a remarkably similar result. Only this being a super high-tech nightmare version. Good luck trying to convince the sheeple. They rather die than let go of Xfactor or Americas got talent.. :sheeplbah: |
| RollinSoLo User ID: 1342519 United States12/14/2011 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7105958 United States12/14/2011 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Walkers Everywhere User ID: 7102393 United States12/14/2011 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | REP ADAM SMITH from Washington -D IS a liar. Quoting: RollinSoLo They are hiding the law in the bill. The (D) tipped you off. If you are abused by ACs on my threads, DO NOT RESPOND to them. Their posts will be deleted and they will be banned. ------------------------------------- Failure to sign your negative karma is admission that you are a NAMBLA member in good standing. Thread: The difference between Occupy and the Tea Party in one sentence Thread: Why I am so rude to OWStards in particular, and collectivists in general Thread: Soros Backs 'Occupy Wall Street' with $3.6 Million |
| Walkers Everywhere User ID: 7102393 United States12/14/2011 02:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can someone give me just one reason why voting for this bill, in direct contravention to the Constitution and in direct opposition to civil rights law, is not in itself a felony, and voting with other senators isn't conspiracy commit a felony? Quoting: Walkers Everywhere You're the conservative, it was YOUR best buddy Bush that started doing all this openly. So why don't you tell us jackass? Bush is hiding under ur bed, scarin ur pants off.  BTW, Bush was not a conservative. He was a Republican. Big difference that I wouldn't expect someone with your mental capacity to be able to grasp. If you are abused by ACs on my threads, DO NOT RESPOND to them. Their posts will be deleted and they will be banned. ------------------------------------- Failure to sign your negative karma is admission that you are a NAMBLA member in good standing. Thread: The difference between Occupy and the Tea Party in one sentence Thread: Why I am so rude to OWStards in particular, and collectivists in general Thread: Soros Backs 'Occupy Wall Street' with $3.6 Million |
| Walkers Everywhere User ID: 7102393 United States12/14/2011 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can someone give me just one reason why voting for this bill, in direct contravention to the Constitution and in direct opposition to civil rights law, is not in itself a felony, and voting with other senators isn't conspiracy commit a felony? Quoting: Walkers Everywhere Might have something to do with the tort laws? All I really know is they consider themselves immune from any and all laws, as is apparent with the the corruption said members have been involved with. Anyone of us caught doing the things they have done would go straight to federal prison for life. ^ Very true ^ If you are abused by ACs on my threads, DO NOT RESPOND to them. Their posts will be deleted and they will be banned. ------------------------------------- Failure to sign your negative karma is admission that you are a NAMBLA member in good standing. Thread: The difference between Occupy and the Tea Party in one sentence Thread: Why I am so rude to OWStards in particular, and collectivists in general Thread: Soros Backs 'Occupy Wall Street' with $3.6 Million |
| Walkers Everywhere User ID: 7102393 United States12/14/2011 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can someone give me just one reason why voting for this bill, in direct contravention to the Constitution and in direct opposition to civil rights law, is not in itself a felony, and voting with other senators isn't conspiracy commit a felony? Quoting: Walkers Everywhere This might be closer to what I was looking for to answer your question. I agree though it should be considered as such, plus treason would fit well into that category. [link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com] Good find, very good.  If you are abused by ACs on my threads, DO NOT RESPOND to them. Their posts will be deleted and they will be banned. ------------------------------------- Failure to sign your negative karma is admission that you are a NAMBLA member in good standing. Thread: The difference between Occupy and the Tea Party in one sentence Thread: Why I am so rude to OWStards in particular, and collectivists in general Thread: Soros Backs 'Occupy Wall Street' with $3.6 Million |
| QueenLaFollette User ID: 1316193 United States12/14/2011 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What are we going to do if this bill passes? If it be asked, What is the most sacred duty and the greatest source of our security in a Republic? The answer would be, An inviolable respect for the Constitution and Laws. Alexander Hamilton |
| RollinSoLo User ID: 1342519 United States12/14/2011 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| BBQ Guy User ID: 1410244 United States12/14/2011 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can someone give me just one reason why voting for this bill, in direct contravention to the Constitution and in direct opposition to civil rights law, is not in itself a felony, and voting with other senators isn't conspiracy commit a felony? Quoting: Walkers Everywhere This might be closer to what I was looking for to answer your question. I agree though it should be considered as such, plus treason would fit well into that category. [link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com] Good find, very good. From reading the above link, it seems as though they have immunity from any bill they vote on, even knowing the full impact it will have on the American people. And good luck tracking down and finding solid evidence they were paid off to do so, most of the Federal judges are on their side and will dismiss any case brought against any member of Congress. "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"- James Madison "Joining the military does not mean that you will be defending the country. The purpose of the U.S. military should be to defend the United States. Period. Yet, one of the greatest myths ever invented is that the current U.S. military somehow defends our freedoms. First of all, our freedoms are not in danger of being taken away by foreign countries; if they are taken away it will be by our own government. It is not a country making war on us that we need to fear, it is our government making war on the Bill of Rights. And second, how is stationing troops in 150 different regions of the world on hundreds of U.S. military bases defending our freedoms? It is not the purpose of the U.S. military to change regimes, secure the borders of other countries, or spread democracy at gunpoint. The Department of Defense should first and foremost be the Department of Homeland Security."--Laurence Vance-- |
| BBQ Guy User ID: 1410244 United States12/14/2011 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe they will use the gps coordinates of your homes that the census collected to send a hellfire missile to our doorstep. Quoting: RollinSoLo The bill legalizes what they are already doing "detaining" wise. Maybe when we get to that scenario it will be time to start detaining members of Congress, placing them under citizens arrest and having a community trial to decide their fate. "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"- James Madison "Joining the military does not mean that you will be defending the country. The purpose of the U.S. military should be to defend the United States. Period. Yet, one of the greatest myths ever invented is that the current U.S. military somehow defends our freedoms. First of all, our freedoms are not in danger of being taken away by foreign countries; if they are taken away it will be by our own government. It is not a country making war on us that we need to fear, it is our government making war on the Bill of Rights. And second, how is stationing troops in 150 different regions of the world on hundreds of U.S. military bases defending our freedoms? It is not the purpose of the U.S. military to change regimes, secure the borders of other countries, or spread democracy at gunpoint. The Department of Defense should first and foremost be the Department of Homeland Security."--Laurence Vance-- |
