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VACCINES DO NOT IMMUNIZE!

 
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“It is nonsense to think that you can inject pathogens directly into the blood and in any way improve health. There is no such thing as immunization, but we sell it under the name immunization. If there were a way to build up a natural resistance to disease through these artificial means, I would applaud it – but we can’t. The body has its own methods of defense. These depend on the vitality of the body and you can’t change the vitality of the body by introducing poisons of any kind into it.”
- Dr. William H. Hay (House of Representatives Congressional Record December 21, 1937.

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rofl

Another emotionally charged anti-vaxxer thread.
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BTW scientific evidence does not support the anti-vaxxer's claims.
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In the future the world will look on doctors injecting children with poison the same way we look at them cutting and bleeding out sick people like they did in the past. Doctors have always been monsters.
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They are changing our DNA...
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BTW scientific evidence does not support the anti-vaxxer's claims.
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BTW scientific evidence does not support pro-vaxxer's claims.
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BTW scientific evidence does not support the anti-vaxxer's claims.
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BTW scientific evidence does not support pro-vaxxer's claims.
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lmao

That is where you are wrong. Look into the peer-reviewed journals ;)
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right, so 1937 knowledge of medicine is somehow supposed to supercede modern medicine?
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right, so 1937 knowledge of medicine is somehow supposed to supercede modern medicine?
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exactly...OP is a fear-mongering retard
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In the future the world will look on doctors injecting children with poison the same way we look at them cutting and bleeding out sick people like they did in the past. Doctors have always been monsters.
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Well put.
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yes the do. You have just got your education from some highly strung, hystrionic forums on the net.
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right, so 1937 knowledge of medicine is somehow supposed to supercede modern medicine?
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>implying there is less cancer now than thousands of years ago
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In the future the world will look on doctors injecting children with poison the same way we look at them cutting and bleeding out sick people like they did in the past. Doctors have always been monsters.
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Well put.
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nonsense. The thing you, nor the op realize is that Vaccines work by using your bodies immune system. You inject a dead or weakened virus into a person, their body builds anti bodies, and they gain immunity. If attacked by a real virus, they have defense.


Polio and smallpox arent exactly big anymore...geee I wonder why?

Oh, I know, its the world wide vaccination campaigns that crushed those diseases.

You Anti-Vax'ers haven't the slightest clue how the human immune system works.


Now adays they have a chicken pox vaccine but back when I was a kid we had to catch it to gain immunity...why? Becuase the virus' presence caused the body to build antibodies.

Vaccines allow immunity without having to suffer the infection.
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right, so 1937 knowledge of medicine is somehow supposed to supercede modern medicine?
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>implying there is less cancer now than thousands of years ago
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Thats because thousands of years ago they hadnt the slightest clue what cancer was. Let alone any disease.

So in terms of recorded diagnosis, any disease will have a higher prevalence now, BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.
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Well put.
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nonsense. The thing you, nor the op realize is that Vaccines work by using your bodies immune system. You inject a dead or weakened virus into a person, t




Vaccines allow immunity without having to suffer the infection.

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But they don't work.
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BTW scientific evidence does not support the anti-vaxxer's claims.
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BTW scientific evidence does not support pro-vaxxer's claims.
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you is stupid
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Well put.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7088759


nonsense. The thing you, nor the op realize is that Vaccines work by using your bodies immune system. You inject a dead or weakened virus into a person, t




Vaccines allow immunity without having to suffer the infection.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5545334


But they don't work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7088759


Yes, they do.

If you get chicken pox as a kid, you wont get it again? Why? Because the virus' very presence in your blood caused your body to make anti bodies.

The SAME THING happens when you inject someone with a weakened virus. The viruses presence causes the body to build antibodies.

Dont work? Polio and Small pox are gone because they work.

Vaccines work. The evidence backs it.
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Did flu vaccine give my boy narcolepsy?

(Snippet from the article.)


The six-year-old, from Frome, Somerset, had shown no symptoms of narcolepsy prior to February 2010, and it took another year for doctors to diagnose the condition.

Josh's mum Caroline fears it could be linked to a swine flu vaccine called Pandemrix which he received three weeks before showing symptoms.

In Finland, investigators found 79 vaccinated children and adolescents had developed narcolepsy, 12 times more than they would expect.

The Finnish government said it accepted a link between Pandemrix and narcolepsy and has promised compensation and support for affected families.



[link to www.thesun.co.uk]
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"The chief, if not sole, cause of the monstrous increase in cancer has been vaccination."
- Dr. Robert Bell, Past Vice President International Society for Cancer Research at the British
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H1N1 vaccines were pulled off the shelfs in Europe because it was causing narcolepsy in children.
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Well put.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7088759


nonsense. The thing you, nor the op realize is that Vaccines work by using your bodies immune system. You inject a dead or weakened virus into a person, t




Vaccines allow immunity without having to suffer the infection.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5545334


But they don't work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7088759


Yes, they do.

If you get chicken pox as a kid, you wont get it again? Why? Because the virus' very presence in your blood caused your body to make anti bodies.

The SAME THING happens when you inject someone with a weakened virus. The viruses presence causes the body to build antibodies.

Dont work? Polio and Small pox are gone because they work.

Vaccines work. The evidence backs it.
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Well, go get yourself all vaxed up then. But don't expect the rest of us to follow.

The dangers are right on the inserts; they are telling you how dangerous they are.

As for me.. no way.
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nonsense. The thing you, nor the op realize is that Vaccines work by using your bodies immune system. You inject a dead or weakened virus into a person, t




Vaccines allow immunity without having to suffer the infection.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5545334


But they don't work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7088759


Yes, they do.

If you get chicken pox as a kid, you wont get it again? Why? Because the virus' very presence in your blood caused your body to make anti bodies.

The SAME THING happens when you inject someone with a weakened virus. The viruses presence causes the body to build antibodies.

Dont work? Polio and Small pox are gone because they work.

Vaccines work. The evidence backs it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5545334


Well, go get yourself all vaxed up then. But don't expect the rest of us to follow.

The dangers are right on the inserts; they are telling you how dangerous they are.

As for me.. no way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7088759


Vaccines use your bodies immune system!


And to the people posting links to vaccines causing narcolepsy, cancer, are you people that narrow minded?

Correlation does not equal causation.

Secondly, your telling me that out of every environmental factor, peoples daily lives, etc, etc, the only one worth considering is vaccines? Please. this is nonsensical, and this anti vaccination crap is just stupid.
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"forced me to look into the question of vaccination further, and the further I looked the more shocked I became. I found that the whole vaccine business was indeed a gigantic hoax. Most doctors are convinced that they are useful, but if you look at the proper statistics and study the instances of these diseases you will realize that this is not so . . .
My final conclusion after forty years or more in this business [medicine] is that the unofficial policy of the World Health Organization and the unoffical policy of the 'Save the Children's Fund' and ... [other vaccine promoting] organizations is one of murder and genocide. . . . I cannot see any other possible explanation. . . . You cannot immunize sick children, malnourished children, and expect to get away with it. You'll kill far more children than would have died from natural infection."--Dr Kalokerinos (International Vaccine Newsletter June 1995)
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Correlation does not equal causation.


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Ain't that the fucking truth (anti-vaxxers don't seem to grasp the concept)

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But they don't work.
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Yes, they do.

If you get chicken pox as a kid, you wont get it again? Why? Because the virus' very presence in your blood caused your body to make anti bodies.

The SAME THING happens when you inject someone with a weakened virus. The viruses presence causes the body to build antibodies.

Dont work? Polio and Small pox are gone because they work.

Vaccines work. The evidence backs it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5545334


Well, go get yourself all vaxed up then. But don't expect the rest of us to follow.

The dangers are right on the inserts; they are telling you how dangerous they are.

As for me.. no way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7088759


Vaccines use your bodies immune system!


And to the people posting links to vaccines causing narcolepsy, cancer, are you people that narrow minded?

Correlation does not equal causation.

Secondly, your telling me that out of every environmental factor, peoples daily lives, etc, etc, the only one worth considering is vaccines? Please. this is nonsensical, and this anti vaccination crap is just stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5545334


Then by all means, vaccine away. But like I said, don't expect others to follow, who have done the research about what's in this crap.
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"forced me to look into the question of vaccination further, and the further I looked the more shocked I became. I found that the whole vaccine business was indeed a gigantic hoax. Most doctors are convinced that they are useful, but if you look at the proper statistics and study the instances of these diseases you will realize that this is not so . . .
My final conclusion after forty years or more in this business [medicine] is that the unofficial policy of the World Health Organization and the unoffical policy of the 'Save the Children's Fund' and ... [other vaccine promoting] organizations is one of murder and genocide. . . . I cannot see any other possible explanation. . . . You cannot immunize sick children, malnourished children, and expect to get away with it. You'll kill far more children than would have died from natural infection."--Dr Kalokerinos (International Vaccine Newsletter June 1995)
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Dude is on the money.
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Our local pharmacy takes appointments for the flu shot every day. I asked for the insert and after much searching and paper shuffling they were unable to find one. I realized that the hundreds of sheep they were injecting weren't asking for any info or they would have it readily available. The system depends on childlike trust and ignorance.
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"In my medical career I've treated vaccinated and unvaccinated children and the unvaccinated children are far healthier than the vaccinated ones.'"------Philip Incao, MD, Denver, CO

And unvaccinated adults like myself DO NOT GET SICK, AT ALL. If you believe vaccines confer immunity, you likely believe that violence brings peace.
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Holy, holy,holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.Praise the one who gives you peace beyond all understanding Yes that scripture still sounds good !
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"There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good."---Dr. J. Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control Officer and research virologist, US FDA
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"In my medical career I've treated vaccinated and unvaccinated children and the unvaccinated children are far healthier than the vaccinated ones.'"------Philip Incao, MD, Denver, CO

And unvaccinated adults like myself DO NOT GET SICK, AT ALL. If you believe vaccines confer immunity, you likely believe that violence brings peace.
 Quoting: PhxRising


Same here, I find it funny I'm 27 and I'v never had the flu but everyone I know who gets a flu shot every year end up getting it and are sick for like a week. The way I look at it is if other people what to put that shit in there body thats their choice but don't try and force me to take that crap
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