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Just In!!! Goldman Sachs, BOA, SOC GEN . MORGAN STANLEY, BNP & Others Down-Graded by Fitch!!!!

 
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It really is amazing im telling you. I do think though a lot of investors, the few left are really starting to wise up and realize that Europe is not going to be fixed overnight with one headline. The santa rally better get some legs or there it might be coal for xmas.

lets see how it turns out
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Hey OP this is Hmmmm logged in. I am very interested in the financial shitstorm that is currently engulfing the world partly because I don't understand what is happening and partly because it seems to be ground zero for all the lunacy today. It is so in my face but I can't wrap my head around it. I mean MF Global. How does $2B disappear from customer accounts and heads are not rolling. This is not the world I grew up in.
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Hey Krow/Hmmmm. Listen and listen well. YOU are not supposed to be able to "wrap you head around anything". That is the whole idea. Our heads are spinning because of the gargantuan volumes of details that are front end loaded every day into our materium. A super computer couln't make sence of as much data. This is the point. While we are wondering if Newt or Paul is gonna take it, or if Iran is gonna figure out our steath paint recipe, or if OWSers shit on a police car, etc., the largest heist in history is being pulled off. The criminal Cabal of Banksters that run the world are getting ready for "something" by positioning themselves with large sums of precious metals, bunkers/tunnel cities, and golden parachutes from the likes of which thier feet would never touch the ground. The idea here is to pay attention to the heavy facts, follow the money, and ignore the minutia. Otherwise you will go insane. That is what "they" are counting on. Get yourself metaphysically wrinkle free, help as many as you can, and don't worry. Worry invokes fear; fear causes hesitation, and you sound like a smart one so survive. Don't hesitate and stay informed.

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It really is amazing im telling you. I do think though a lot of investors, the few left are really starting to wise up and realize that Europe is not going to be fixed overnight with one headline. The santa rally better get some legs or there it might be coal for xmas.

lets see how it turns out
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Oh indeed sir, let's do...i'm thinking Coal even though I'm not a scrooge. Merry xmas to you if I don't catch up with you before then.

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Well that means a few hundred billion in margin calls...
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Well that means a few hundred billion in margin calls...
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So did you see that new movie out...



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Well that means a few hundred billion in margin calls...
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So did you see that new movie out...



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No,but I remember Bank Of Americas last conference call.They said on the call another down grade would cost them 6-12 billion in margin calls.I can only assume that every bank that was just lowered is in the same boat leverage being what it is.

This may be the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.Fiat game is almost over.First the EU the the FED notes.
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Nick you know what the funny part is? It doesnt even get reported anymore by the MSM. Look away !! its amazing
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And out of left field comes my good buddy Philligan with the left hook point of the day. DAMN good point Phil.

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username Philligan....gave me quite a smile and chuckle. It made the goofy smile of Bob Denver, the professor, Mary Ann and a two hour tour pop to the fore. Hahaha, nice. And good point as well.
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Well that means a few hundred billion in margin calls...
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So did you see that new movie out...



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No,but I remember Bank Of Americas last conference call.They said on the call another down grade would cost them 6-12 billion in margin calls.I can only assume that every bank that was just lowered is in the same boat leverage being what it is.This may be the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.Fiat game is almost over.First the EU the the FED notes.
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^ This. is a savory piece of information I did not know. And the plot thickens. Thanks in advance. Do you have any midnight crapper reading on that fact?

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Well that means a few hundred billion in margin calls...
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So did you see that new movie out...



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No,but I remember Bank Of Americas last conference call.They said on the call another down grade would cost them 6-12 billion in margin calls.I can only assume that every bank that was just lowered is in the same boat leverage being what it is.This may be the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.Fiat game is almost over.First the EU the the FED notes.
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^ This. is a savory piece of information I did not know. And the plot thickens. Thanks in advance. Do you have any midnight crapper reading on that fact?

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Sure.How about the front page of Bloomberg?

he moves complete a review of financial firms by the three major rating companies. Moody’s Investors Service cut banks in September, citing a lower probability that the U.S. will support the industry in an emergency. Standard & Poor’s lowered ratings last month. Lenders including Bank of America and Citigroup have said they may have to post billions of dollars in collateral and face higher funding costs in the event of downgrades.

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

Highlighted in red.

I will look for the Bank of America print out of the conference call.
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No,but I remember Bank Of Americas last conference call.They said on the call another down grade would cost them 6-12 billion in margin calls.I can only assume that every bank that was just lowered is in the same boat leverage being what it is.This may be the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.Fiat game is almost over.First the EU the the FED notes.



^ This. is a savory piece of information I did not know. And the plot thickens. Thanks in advance. Do you have any midnight crapper reading on that fact?

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Sure.How about the front page of Bloomberg?

he moves complete a review of financial firms by the three major rating companies. Moody’s Investors Service cut banks in September, citing a lower probability that the U.S. will support the industry in an emergency. Standard & Poor’s lowered ratings last month. Lenders including Bank of America and Citigroup have said they may have to post billions of dollars in collateral and face higher funding costs in the event of downgrades.

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

Highlighted in red.

I will look for the Bank of America print out of the conference call.


How very kind of you. I'm going over to Bloomberg right now to review that clever little vignette. brb.

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ooooooooooooooooooo I like how bloomberg phrased it. Nasty little language twist isn't it?

"They stand have to post billions in collateral and pay elevated borrowing costs"

Bankereese for "Margin Call"


Nice Job AC!!! Thanks again! I have alot of respect for people who actually read.

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ooooooooooooooooooo I like how bloomberg phrased it. Nasty little language twist isn't it?

"They stand have to post billions in collateral and pay elevated borrowing costs"

Bankereese for "Margin Call"


Nice Job AC!!! Thanks again! I have alot of respect for people who actually read.

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No problem.But do realize Bank of America has already been through this with other downgrades.Most of the other banks on that list of downgrades has not.They will be selling anything not nailed down to meet those margin calls.Looks like there is little to no hope for the fabled "Christmas rally".

Hope you are not in this rigged market.

Got Gold,Silver,Lead,and preps?
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ooooooooooooooooooo I like how bloomberg phrased it. Nasty little language twist isn't it?

"They stand have to post billions in collateral and pay elevated borrowing costs"

Bankereese for "Margin Call"


Nice Job AC!!! Thanks again! I have alot of respect for people who actually read.

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No problem.But do realize Bank of America has already been through this with other downgrades.Most of the other banks on that list of downgrades has not.They will be selling anything not nailed down to meet those margin calls.Looks like there is little to no hope for the fabled "Christmas rally".

Hope you are not in this rigged market.

Got Gold,Silver,Lead,and preps?
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chuckle

Oh Gawd no. I've been out since 08. I got wise then. I'm ready for what ever ails us. And I do mean what ever. Thanks for the stellar imput.

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So OP, your theory is the financial crisis is a distraction to siphon money into the building of underground bases for the rich because of a coming catastrophe in 2012? Just curious.
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I have not raized any theories...Please do not put words in my mouth. There are facts. I have put them on the table. With all due respect, I don't care if you use them to bake a turkey. You asked where I think the money is going. My answer, since you need it directly, is as follows:

*Giant tunnel systems are being build in plane sight all over the world (Monitarilly speaking excavation is expensive so are underground cities)
*The pockets of the cabal of bankers that run the planet to position themselves for "something"

I'm not suggesting what only where. The facts are simple, the explanation is not.

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You seem to mysteriously neglect the fact that the Denver complex was built in the 90's and this so called global financial crisis started in 08 some 16 years later.

Sorry dude but you are so far off in your reasoning here and trying to sound clever using words that you clearly don't know the meaning of trying to sound like you are clever when it is clear that you have but a high school education.

I won't get into the semantics of this discussion over the financial crisis as it would likely be too much for you to begin to grasp the complexity of global financial practices and how simple economics works but I will say that you keep up your doom laden ludicrous theorems and using Jessie Ventura as a link to source and when 2013 rolls around and none of what you're talking has come to pass I'll come back and explain to you why you are so misguided.
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They've been using that leverage to better themselves at the expense of others. Now the piper gets paid his due. I don't feel the least bit sorry for them. There's a bank or financial company everywhere you look. Let them feel the crunch.
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A Union Jack weighs in. Wait a minute, why wait until 2013? You know, what?
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So OP, your theory is the financial crisis is a distraction to siphon money into the building of underground bases for the rich because of a coming catastrophe in 2012? Just curious.
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I have not raized any theories...Please do not put words in my mouth. There are facts. I have put them on the table. With all due respect, I don't care if you use them to bake a turkey. You asked where I think the money is going. My answer, since you need it directly, is as follows:

*Giant tunnel systems are being build in plane sight all over the world (Monitarilly speaking excavation is expensive so are underground cities)
*The pockets of the cabal of bankers that run the planet to position themselves for "something"

I'm not suggesting what only where. The facts are simple, the explanation is not.

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You seem to mysteriously neglect the fact that the Denver complex was built in the 90's and this so called global financial crisis started in 08 some 16 years later.

Sorry dude but you are so far off in your reasoning here and trying to sound clever using words that you clearly don't know the meaning of trying to sound like you are clever when it is clear that you have but a high school education.

I won't get into the semantics of this discussion over the financial crisis as it would likely be too much for you to begin to grasp the complexity of global financial practices and how simple economics works but I will say that you keep up your doom laden ludicrous theorems and using Jessie Ventura as a link to source and when 2013 rolls around and none of what you're talking has come to pass I'll come back and explain to you why you are so misguided.
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Semantics? Obvoiusly you cant even fucking read. Please allow me to retort. Unless you are a high level banker and understand the finer mechanics of derivatives vehicles I don't think you know a god damn thing about a god damn thing. The words "simple" and global financial practices don't even go in the same sentence. Here's your epic failure shitting right in your own face. I dind't even mention the Denver Airport. Please re-fucking read. Furthermore your assertions that I am suggesting a "theory" are absoluetly useless as my FIRST STATEMENT, is that I don't have ONE! Take your chronology of the greater Dever area development and shove them up you ass. And please re-read again to confirm you have abosolutely no fucking idea what you're even writing.

"I have not raized any theories...Please do not put words in my mouth. There are facts. I have put them on the table. With all due respect, I don't care if you use them to bake a turkey. You asked where I think the money is going. My answer, since you need it directly, is as follows:

*Giant tunnel systems are being build in plane sight all over the world (Monitarilly speaking excavation is expensive so are underground cities)*The pockets of the cabal of bankers that run the planet to position themselves for "something"

I'm not suggesting what only where. The facts are simple, the explanation is not.

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They've been using that leverage to better themselves at the expense of others. Now the piper gets paid his due. I don't feel the least bit sorry for them. There's a bank or financial company everywhere you look. Let them feel the crunch.
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Ain't nobody gonna feel nuthin'. It's all for show. A few individuals who draw the short straws (however the designated sacrifices are determined and remunerated for services rendered) will be put on display holding a bag with far more in it than they could have carried off and away, but the educational system has made inroads into the populace's abilities for analysis and that logic doesn't explain all that's happening matters not a whit.
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hey op...guess what rofl? Bloomberg edited the article from earlier.I had posted part of it on another forum,and when I checked for comments I noticed the change.Here is the original text.

Long-term issuer default ratings for Bank of America, Citigroup and Goldman Sachs were cut to A from A+, according to the statement. Barclays, Deutsche Bank and Credit Suisse were downgraded to A from AA-, while BNP Paribas (BNP) fell to A+ from AA-. Lower credit ratings can raise borrowing costs for banks and in some cases can force them to put up billions of dollars in collateral to cover derivative contracts. Standard & Poor’s cut long-term credit grades on Bank of America, Goldman Sachs and Citigroup last month.

New text.

The moves complete a review of financial firms by the three major rating companies. Moody’s Investors Service cut banks in September, citing a lower probability that the U.S. will support the industry in an emergency. Standard & Poor’s lowered ratings last month. Lenders including Bank of America and Citigroup have said they may have to post billions of dollars in collateral and face higher funding costs in the event of downgrades.
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Holy shit!!! That's crazy. Make me think they're watching us...

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Holy shit!!! That's crazy. Make me think they're watching us...

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I assume those remarks are tongue in cheek, otherwise... Nooo!!! Ya think!?!
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Holy shit!!! That's crazy. Make me think they're watching us...

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I assume those remarks are tongue in cheek, otherwise... Nooo!!! Ya think!?!
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That's pretty awesome though I must admit. Whether it was by chance is irrelevant. What's pertainent here is that universe decided that different language needed to be used to describe the manifestation into materium of the event/s; or the bloomberg writer is a GLPer that frequents my threads. Creepy.

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gnite folks, I'm beat. Thanks for the PIN Rev! Thanks to all for the kind words, comments, and imput. See you all very soon.. Stay safe, stay aware, and dream well.

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Holy shit!!! That's crazy. Make me think they're watching us...

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I assume those remarks are tongue in cheek, otherwise... Nooo!!! Ya think!?!
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chuckle
Couldn't be...Not to this mamma's boy.
That's pretty awesome though I must admit. Whether it was by chance is irrelevant. What's pertainent here is that universe decided that different language needed to be used to describe the manifestation into materium of the event/s; or the bloomberg writer is a GLPer that frequents my threads. Creepy.

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Ain't nobody told you about those city-sized servers -- note the plural, there are multiples -- and your virtual shadow delayed only by a small increment of time? Honey, they be watchin'.

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