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Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?

 
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
Now im not saying albania was the only way, im saying at that time, the strategy of the turks was through albania, but little did they know, it was a bad decision.
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yeah very bad, so bad i dont see it would be acted upon, did they intend to reach Italy? once Albania has fallen later on, they didnt suddenly find themselves marching on Rome. Instead they apparently go north Veinna, rather than west to Venice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7011434


the intention of the conquror(mehmet ii) was to reach italy. As he already conquored almost all of eastern europe. AFter he conquored greece and macedonia, he headed due west for rome. But, the albanians under skanderbeg kept him at bay for half a century. After finally taking albania, the will power was not strong enough to overtake rome... Of course, the albanian resistance bought precious time, nearly a 100 years before the ottoman headed for vienna..

That precious time, 100 years, proved vital for the rest of europe.
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Khazarians stopped the onslaught of Islam from reaching Europe by way of what is now the Ukraine.


History certainly has strange twists and turns.
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12/17/2011 04:27 PM
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
oh goody

just what glp needs

another albanian vs serbian vs croatian vd bosnian vs muslim vs orthodox bullshit propaganda thread


thanx dumbass albanian for dtirring the shit

I hope you feel good about yourself you repugnant fuck
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12/17/2011 04:28 PM
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
Ok just a little off topic here..How did Islam save Europe the mongols?
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12/17/2011 04:59 PM
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
hahahha bro why are u living in denial? if it wasnt for the albanians, the ottoman would have taken rome, and youd be different today and the world would be a different story.


so a thank you would be nice no? :)
 Quoting: Albanian-1

if it was'nt 4 Albanians we would have Russia and China in our ass too think, learn and submit 4 once
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
I can see this Scanderbeg fella is a national hero, but really only an Albanian would claim he saved Europe. The Ottomans didnt need to defeat the Albanian region to reach Italy, they would just drive up though the old FYR region.
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How in the hell u carry artillery thru Alps????????/
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
I can see this Scanderbeg fella is a national hero, but really only an Albanian would claim he saved Europe. The Ottomans didnt need to defeat the Albanian region to reach Italy, they would just drive up though the old FYR region.
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How in the hell u carry artillery thru Alps????????/
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Elephants?
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12/17/2011 05:49 PM
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
OP ur epic fail

when Ottomans came to Albania, the Albanians converted to Islam

That's the only reason they did not touch them

no glory in that, but just bend how the wind blows

yup, bend over > sideways
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yea yea an ignorant fool typical response...


after we saved you and the christian religion, we kept the biggest empire of the time at bay for half a century,

so what now?

no glory you say? what else do you have to say?
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
oh goody

just what glp needs

another albanian vs serbian vs croatian vd bosnian vs muslim vs orthodox bullshit propaganda thread


thanx dumbass albanian for dtirring the shit

I hope you feel good about yourself you repugnant fuck
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7284275




lol this thread has nothing to do with non albanians, it has nothing to do with slavs....

it does however have to do with the albanian warriors who sacraficed themselves for the rest of europe!!! awesome dont u think?
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12/17/2011 07:20 PM
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
if your mad, listen this song albanias eurovision 2010..

good song!


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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
OP ur epic fail

when Ottomans came to Albania, the Albanians converted to Islam

That's the only reason they did not touch them

no glory in that, but just bend how the wind blows

yup, bend over > sideways
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7163398


you couldnt be more wrong.

After the sacrafice albanians made against the turkish, and after the noble albanians were all vanqiushed saving europe, albanians were left without a leader at that time, and the massive ottoman army kept comming, of course, unitl albanians brought them to their knees..

Only lateer did about half of the albanians convert to islam.. today its about half muslim, half christian.
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
I am very close to an Albanian family. They are Christian and really don't care for Muslims. They came here legally, worked hard, and in four years were citizens and had saved enough to buy a nice home. They speak of their history against the Turks, and also living through the fall of communism in the early 90's. They are so grateful that they are in America and have the opportunity for a better life. I would have no trouble standing next to them for whatever doom may come our way. They probably would handle it better than most other people.
Perfer et Obdura;Dolor hic tibi proderit olim.Fortes Fortuna Iuvat! (Be Patient & Strong; someday this pain will be useful to you. Fortune favors the brave)
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
I am very close to an Albanian family. They are Christian and really don't care for Muslims. They came here legally, worked hard, and in four years were citizens and had saved enough to buy a nice home. They speak of their history against the Turks, and also living through the fall of communism in the early 90's. They are so grateful that they are in America and have the opportunity for a better life. I would have no trouble standing next to them for whatever doom may come our way. They probably would handle it better than most other people.
 Quoting: Vesper33


Thanks, you look like an angel in your pic :)


As history would tell you,albanians have always had problem before th 19th century with barbarians, slavs, turks, romans, etc etc, and we always over came them...

Today, we are albanian, with our own langauge, our own culture, and most importantly, blood which does not originate from any other peoples, truly unique!!

Long live the partnership between Albania and The United States of America, as you should know, Albanians would stand before the sword for Americans!!!
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
I am very close to an Albanian family. They are Christian and really don't care for Muslims. They came here legally, worked hard, and in four years were citizens and had saved enough to buy a nice home. They speak of their history against the Turks, and also living through the fall of communism in the early 90's. They are so grateful that they are in America and have the opportunity for a better life. I would have no trouble standing next to them for whatever doom may come our way. They probably would handle it better than most other people.
 Quoting: Vesper33


Thanks, you look like an angel in your pic :)


As history would tell you,albanians have always had problem before th 19th century with barbarians, slavs, turks, romans, etc etc, and we always over came them...

Today, we are albanian, with our own langauge, our own culture, and most importantly, blood which does not originate from any other peoples, truly unique!!

Long live the partnership between Albania and The United States of America, as you should know, Albanians would stand before the sword for Americans!!!
 Quoting: Albanian-1


Thank you for the compliment! I agree with all you have said, and I know my Albanian friends are honorable people, and would be fierce warriors if needed. I enjoyed the documentary. Thanks for sharing it! All Blessings to you and yours!!
Perfer et Obdura;Dolor hic tibi proderit olim.Fortes Fortuna Iuvat! (Be Patient & Strong; someday this pain will be useful to you. Fortune favors the brave)
Albanian-1 (OP)

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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
I can see this Scanderbeg fella is a national hero, but really only an Albanian would claim he saved Europe. The Ottomans didnt need to defeat the Albanian region to reach Italy, they would just drive up though the old FYR region.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7011434


what? the FYR region? thats east of albania, how could that be strategic for the turks???

fact is, the only way the turks could of had a successful attack on rome would of been through albania, not east or north of it.
 Quoting: Albanian-1


??? unless you are going to launch a naval invasion on south Italy, Albania has no strategic bearing on attacking Rome. And then you could launch from north or south of that particular part of the Adriatic. A land army from Turkey wouldnt go anywhere near Albania on their way to Italy.
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I jsut wanna add one more thing. Its not like back in the day, generals had maps of europe which they could plan strategic invasions of countries. Back then, they had word of mouth if you will, and this was before the print age really, sort of, so how could they really know that Albania was not that strategic to get to rome. But, I guess back in the day, as historians would tell you, Albania must of been, as the ottoman empire used it, and they couldnt get but an inch towards rome because of albanians.
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
people, where art thou? no comment about this great time in history? that was possible one of the most important?????????
 Quoting: Albanian-1


definitely an important fight AND THIS IS PRECISELY WHY
anyone,esp the Albanians should fight back like hell whenever you read the SCATOLOGY on these """ethnic"" aLBanians over in bosnia--
ethnic what ????? they're all freeeekin muslims and the mainstream mediyuuh GOT AWAY WITH THIS SHYTE.
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12/19/2011 11:23 PM
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
OP ur epic fail

when Ottomans came to Albania, the Albanians converted to Islam

That's the only reason they did not touch them

no glory in that, but just bend how the wind blows

yup, bend over > sideways
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7163398


^^^^THIS^^^^^^
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12/19/2011 11:32 PM
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
OP ur epic fail

when Ottomans came to Albania, the Albanians converted to Islam

That's the only reason they did not touch them

no glory in that, but just bend how the wind blows

yup, bend over > sideways
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^^^^THIS^^^^^^
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you think so? i suggest u see that video, and learn some history. then come talk to me
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
people, where art thou? no comment about this great time in history? that was possible one of the most important?????????
 Quoting: Albanian-1


definitely an important fight AND THIS IS PRECISELY WHY
anyone,esp the Albanians should fight back like hell whenever you read the SCATOLOGY on these """ethnic"" aLBanians over in bosnia--
ethnic what ????? they're all freeeekin muslims and the mainstream mediyuuh GOT AWAY WITH THIS SHYTE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1169966




can you elborate?
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
OP ur epic fail

when Ottomans came to Albania, the Albanians converted to Islam

That's the only reason they did not touch them

no glory in that, but just bend how the wind blows

yup, bend over > sideways
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7163398


^^^^THIS^^^^^^
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7013991

yeslolsign
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
OP ur epic fail

when Ottomans came to Albania, the Albanians converted to Islam

That's the only reason they did not touch them

no glory in that, but just bend how the wind blows

yup, bend over > sideways
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7163398


^^^^THIS^^^^^^
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7013991

yeslolsign
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+10000000.. plus all albanians are liars thieves and cheats.. i spit on albania.. no respect for you or your kind..
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
Ottoman Empire wasnt Turkish as many of you think.Even there were no concept of being Turkish till the 1920's(jacoben takeover of anatolia).Ottoman sultans were mostly of European decendent due to foreign marriages.Ottoman Empire was a multicultural nation and anatolians were just one of the subjects of that empire.

Culture of ruling class was mixture of Greko-Persian.Thats because founders of Ottoman Empire were Persian influenced(both by culturally and both by racially) west asian/near eastern people and when they takeover anatolia they mixed their persian culture with Rum culture(or eastern Roman culture).
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
You mean illyrians. They were badass and killed many turks but they were killed, raped and forced to assimilate. Who really saved europe from ottoman empire was the polish cavalry at the gates of vienna.
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Serbians were also defending Europe at the gates of Vienna.

Excuse do you know where the frontier was? In Serbian Krajina where Serbian men were lifetime soldiers defending Europe.
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Serbian Krajina? LOL. Single Storm chased them away in 3 days.
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
You mean illyrians. They were badass and killed many turks but they were killed, raped and forced to assimilate. Who really saved europe from ottoman empire was the polish cavalry at the gates of vienna.
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Serbians were also defending Europe at the gates of Vienna.

Excuse do you know where the frontier was? In Serbian Krajina where Serbian men were lifetime soldiers defending Europe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1898032
Serbian Krajina? LOL. Single Storm chased them away in 3 days.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7607665


with a help of who?
you could not do nothing for 5 years
and suddenly you are top military outfit

you won only because NATO helped you
get ur s#it right
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
You mean illyrians. They were badass and killed many turks but they were killed, raped and forced to assimilate. Who really saved europe from ottoman empire was the polish cavalry at the gates of vienna.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1223243


Serbians were also defending Europe at the gates of Vienna.

Excuse do you know where the frontier was? In Serbian Krajina where Serbian men were lifetime soldiers defending Europe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1898032
Serbian Krajina? LOL. Single Storm chased them away in 3 days.
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we will come back and this time nobody will help you. you know why,because there is no money,see you sused
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
You mean illyrians. They were badass and killed many turks but they were killed, raped and forced to assimilate. Who really saved europe from ottoman empire was the polish cavalry at the gates of vienna.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1223243


Serbians were also defending Europe at the gates of Vienna.

Excuse do you know where the frontier was? In Serbian Krajina where Serbian men were lifetime soldiers defending Europe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1898032
Serbian Krajina? LOL. Single Storm chased them away in 3 days.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7607665

we will come back and this time nobody will help you. you know why,because there is no money,see you sused
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4398780


You can come back any time. All you need is passport and money. Lots of money. I don't need help for counting it.
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
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Serbians were also defending Europe at the gates of Vienna.

Excuse do you know where the frontier was? In Serbian Krajina where Serbian men were lifetime soldiers defending Europe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1898032
Serbian Krajina? LOL. Single Storm chased them away in 3 days.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7607665

we will come back and this time nobody will help you. you know why,because there is no money,see you sused
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4398780


You can come back any time. All you need is passport and money. Lots of money. I don't need help for counting it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7607665

i ll be back just like i left:with a gun in my hand
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Serbian Krajina? LOL. Single Storm chased them away in 3 days.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7607665

we will come back and this time nobody will help you. you know why,because there is no money,see you sused
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4398780


You can come back any time. All you need is passport and money. Lots of money. I don't need help for counting it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7607665

i ll be back just like i left:with a gun in my hand
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Left? That's neat way of saying "I run away like pichka on tractor".
The only way for you to come over here is either as a paying tourist or refuge if Turks...or albanians attack Serbia.
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we will come back and this time nobody will help you. you know why,because there is no money,see you sused
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You can come back any time. All you need is passport and money. Lots of money. I don't need help for counting it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7607665

i ll be back just like i left:with a gun in my hand
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4398780


Left? That's neat way of saying "I run away like pichka on tractor".
The only way for you to come over here is either as a paying tourist or refuge if Turks...or albanians attack Serbia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7607665

like i said-this time nobody will help you,and this time we will have no mercy. you will pay for Jasenovac
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You can come back any time. All you need is passport and money. Lots of money. I don't need help for counting it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7607665

i ll be back just like i left:with a gun in my hand
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4398780


Left? That's neat way of saying "I run away like pichka on tractor".
The only way for you to come over here is either as a paying tourist or refuge if Turks...or albanians attack Serbia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7607665

like i said-this time nobody will help you,and this time we will have no mercy. you will pay for Jasenovac
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4398780


Wow. You must be this dude

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
hahahahahahahahahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahha

have serbs no learned their lessons yet?

for fuck sakes weve been killing your ancestors for centuries.

After the fall of skenderbeg, albanians rose to the top of the ottoman empire, basically leading the empire, and we ensalved u serb fucks and your greek buddies for centuries..

wtf do u got on anybody? other than losing every war youv been in?

remember in ww2, when albanians nazis and the croatians invaded your country, killed nearly a million of u?

lol, i know u fear us, you fear albanians and croats soo much that u always look bahind, always talking about us like its gonna help u with your paranoia, but it doesnt, it only makes it worse.

so stfu and know your role biatch!

Last Edited by Albanian-1 on 12/24/2011 01:55 AM
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