Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever? | |
Albanian-1 (OP) User ID: 3037750 Canada 12/17/2011 06:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hahahahaha, so someone filmed albanian muslims, and AUTOMATICALLY linked them to an arab identity.. the children in the video are white as white can be... Because of the islamic religion, that makes the albanian muslims arabs now?? really??? so what about the greeks who are orthodox, does that make them russian because russians are orthodox?? illogical, and idiotic. religion doesnt define a persons identity,culture, language and blood. understand? Albanian-1 |
icsluca User ID: 7263025 Romania 12/17/2011 06:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You cant compare vlad to skenderbeg and the albanians... vlad was defeated, skenderbeg was not!, his defeat was natural death... Quoting: Albanian-1 vlad did resist the ottoman but he lost... albanians didnt lose, but when our general died, albanians couldnt find a hero with equal charisma and power, which led to our downfall vlad wasn't defeated by turks but by fellow christians! the first major defeat suffered by ottomans in europe was inflicted by stefan the great (the romanian) at vaslui 1475). huge defeat! but overall all the people of the balcan peninsula fought the turks. romanians serbs hungarians albanians. i'm not sure about bulgarians:) luca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7233411 Australia 12/17/2011 06:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yeah they probably meant 'Semitic' rather than 'Arab'. I think Jordanians and Saudis are Semitic, not Arab. Not my special subject but I think that is the case. In any case, shills only show up if someone is speaking the truth. someday this war's gonna end... |
Albanian-1 (OP) User ID: 3037750 Canada 12/17/2011 06:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yeah they probably meant 'Semitic' rather than 'Arab'. I think Jordanians and Saudis are Semitic, not Arab. Not my special subject but I think that is the case. In any case, shills only show up if someone is speaking the truth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7233411 someday this war's gonna end... hahahahahahahaha couldnt of said it any better, shills always show up when someone is speaking the truth... fuckin haters lol, id buy u a drink, too bad your soo farr away!`!!!, but yes, religion doesnt define someones identity right? jelous shills right bro Albanian-1 |
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Albanian-1 (OP) User ID: 3037750 Canada 12/17/2011 06:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does the Albanian community in Canada have a Mafia similar to the one here in Europe? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7259335 Rumor has it you mostly see Mercedes and Audi luxury cars in Tirana... hahaha, the albanian mafia is entrenched in eastern canada such as montreal and toronto.. who are connected to albanian mafia families and clans in new york.... Are you german? fyi, albanians consider germans as cousins!! Albanian-1 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7011434 United Kingdom 12/17/2011 07:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can see this Scanderbeg fella is a national hero, but really only an Albanian would claim he saved Europe. The Ottomans didnt need to defeat the Albanian region to reach Italy, they would just drive up though the old FYR region. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7011434 what? the FYR region? thats east of albania, how could that be strategic for the turks??? fact is, the only way the turks could of had a successful attack on rome would of been through albania, not east or north of it. ??? unless you are going to launch a naval invasion on south Italy, Albania has no strategic bearing on attacking Rome. And then you could launch from north or south of that particular part of the Adriatic. A land army from Turkey wouldnt go anywhere near Albania on their way to Italy. |
icsluca User ID: 7263025 Romania 12/17/2011 07:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does the Albanian community in Canada have a Mafia similar to the one here in Europe? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7259335 Rumor has it you mostly see Mercedes and Audi luxury cars in Tirana... hahaha, the albanian mafia is entrenched in eastern canada such as montreal and toronto.. who are connected to albanian mafia families and clans in new york.... Are you german? fyi, albanians consider germans as cousins!! albanains failed at history big time luca |
Albanian-1 (OP) User ID: 3037750 Canada 12/17/2011 07:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can see this Scanderbeg fella is a national hero, but really only an Albanian would claim he saved Europe. The Ottomans didnt need to defeat the Albanian region to reach Italy, they would just drive up though the old FYR region. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7011434 what? the FYR region? thats east of albania, how could that be strategic for the turks??? fact is, the only way the turks could of had a successful attack on rome would of been through albania, not east or north of it. ??? unless you are going to launch a naval invasion on south Italy, Albania has no strategic bearing on attacking Rome. And then you could launch from north or south of that particular part of the Adriatic. A land army from Turkey wouldnt go anywhere near Albania on their way to Italy. Remember that at that time, albania was way way bigger than todays geographical albania which is relatively small.. The turks already had greece, so through greece, macedonia, bulgaria etc, they would have to go through Albania in order to get to italy. The route, through Kruja (albanian territorial area) provided a route between east, and west.. If u look at the european map, turkey(constantinople) and greece are south of albania and western europe is northwest of albania.. so you see that they would have to go through albania in order to get to rome. why would turks launch a naval invasion against italy? it wouldnt prove as affective as land invasion. Albanian-1 |
Albanian-1 (OP) User ID: 3037750 Canada 12/17/2011 07:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does the Albanian community in Canada have a Mafia similar to the one here in Europe? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7259335 Rumor has it you mostly see Mercedes and Audi luxury cars in Tirana... hahaha, the albanian mafia is entrenched in eastern canada such as montreal and toronto.. who are connected to albanian mafia families and clans in new york.... Are you german? fyi, albanians consider germans as cousins!! albanains failed at history big time lol, according to historians we saved chrisianity, so if thats not epic victory, i dunno what is.. as my australian friend said above... when shills see the truth, they always try and insult.. typical, coming from a gispy from romania. Albanian-1 |
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icsluca User ID: 7265109 Romania 12/17/2011 07:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does the Albanian community in Canada have a Mafia similar to the one here in Europe? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7259335 Rumor has it you mostly see Mercedes and Audi luxury cars in Tirana... hahaha, the albanian mafia is entrenched in eastern canada such as montreal and toronto.. who are connected to albanian mafia families and clans in new york.... Are you german? fyi, albanians consider germans as cousins!! albanains failed at history big time lol, according to historians we saved chrisianity, so if thats not epic victory, i dunno what is.. as my australian friend said above... when shills see the truth, they always try and insult.. typical, coming from a gispy from romania. you are probably reading now on internet to discover your roots. this is a good thing. you didn't save Christianity, your ancestors fought for them not for the french or italians. if you read more you will see that the otoman emipre was a huge empire who couldn't be stopped by such a small population as the albanians. all the balkan people caused major problems to the turks but ultimately all of them were defeated after each rebellion and had to pay taxes to the turks. (I'm not going to brag that only the romanian countries were never pasalik). don't call me a gypsy! when you will read more you will see that the ilyrians were related to the thracians (dacians-my ancestors). so in a way we, the romanians, are the only very distant relatives of the albanians. luca |
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Albanian-1 (OP) User ID: 3037750 Canada 12/17/2011 07:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ICSLUKA::: You insulted me right? i insulted you ; vice-versa, now even ground cool?? And yes, the romanians are the descendants of the thracians, and some say they are the cousins of the illyrians.. romanians i like because your not slavic, plain and simple.. I will not take away the sacrafices everyone made against the ottoman empire especially the romanians.. but, the albanians were basically the throat cutters of the ottman empire if you will, the ones who stopped them dead at their track. The ottoman empire, after their defeat by skanderbeg, lost their momentum to overtake rome, as historians will tell you.. They recouped back to Constantinople where they figured what they allready had was enough. Albanian-1 |
icsluca User ID: 790971 Sweden 12/17/2011 07:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ICSLUKA::: Quoting: Albanian-1 You insulted me right? i insulted you ; vice-versa, now even ground cool?? And yes, the romanians are the descendants of the thracians, and some say they are the cousins of the illyrians.. romanians i like because your not slavic, plain and simple.. I will not take away the sacrafices everyone made against the ottoman empire especially the romanians.. but, the albanians were basically the throat cutters of the ottman empire if you will, the ones who stopped them dead at their track. The ottoman empire, after their defeat by skanderbeg, lost their momentum to overtake rome, as historians will tell you.. They recouped back to Constantinople where they figured what they allready had was enough. your hero lived in the XV century. but the turks made budapest a pasalik around 1520. you see, you stopped the turks "temporary". the greatest ottoman leader was Soliman the magnificent(1520-1566). those were the best year of ottoman empire. if there were turks on glp they would confirm. but good for the albanians! luca |
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Albanian-1 (OP) User ID: 3037750 Canada 12/17/2011 07:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Albanians mostly don't give a shit what some minor gipsy from serbia or roumania says. Many albanian family members have freakin blue eyes, if that doesn't proove their supremacy over all the other countries in the balkan, I don't know what else would. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7264834 Albanians are white as white can be, that is fact, ... And i think this is why we feel a good connection and affinity with germans and italians.. and the romanians fall in the same catagory, white as white can be. as for the slavs, theyre from siberia, mongolian-iranian siberia that is. Albanian-1 |
icsluca User ID: 790971 Sweden 12/17/2011 07:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Albanians mostly don't give a shit what some minor gipsy from serbia or roumania says. Many albanian family members have freakin blue eyes, if that doesn't proove their supremacy over all the other countries in the balkan, I don't know what else would. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7264834 you probably consider yourself an aryan, it's enough for me luca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7011434 United Kingdom 12/17/2011 07:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember that at that time, albania was way way bigger than todays geographical albania which is relatively small.. Quoting: Albanian-1 The turks already had greece, so through greece, macedonia, bulgaria etc, they would have to go through Albania in order to get to italy. The route, through Kruja (albanian territorial area) provided a route between east, and west.. If u look at the european map, turkey(constantinople) and greece are south of albania and western europe is northwest of albania.. so you see that they would have to go through albania in order to get to rome. why would turks launch a naval invasion against italy? it wouldnt prove as affective as land invasion. i dont know if you are claiming that Albania used to cover the area now Serbia, but i reckon you must be looking at a special map? certainly Kruja is no path to anywhere from Constantinople except the sea. Turkey is due East of Albania, Istanbul is practically same latitude as Tirana. Once you have Bulgaria you would carry on NW ward through Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Solvenia. Albania is an unnessary detour. i dont think turks would favor a naval invasion, thats my point, there's no advantage to holding Albania with Rome or Italy in mind. you'd only want Albania to fill in the gap. |
Albanian-1 (OP) User ID: 3037750 Canada 12/17/2011 07:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember that at that time, albania was way way bigger than todays geographical albania which is relatively small.. Quoting: Albanian-1 The turks already had greece, so through greece, macedonia, bulgaria etc, they would have to go through Albania in order to get to italy. The route, through Kruja (albanian territorial area) provided a route between east, and west.. If u look at the european map, turkey(constantinople) and greece are south of albania and western europe is northwest of albania.. so you see that they would have to go through albania in order to get to rome. why would turks launch a naval invasion against italy? it wouldnt prove as affective as land invasion. i dont know if you are claiming that Albania used to cover the area now Serbia, but i reckon you must be looking at a special map? certainly Kruja is no path to anywhere from Constantinople except the sea. Turkey is due East of Albania, Istanbul is practically same latitude as Tirana. Once you have Bulgaria you would carry on NW ward through Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Solvenia. Albania is an unnessary detour. i dont think turks would favor a naval invasion, thats my point, there's no advantage to holding Albania with Rome or Italy in mind. you'd only want Albania to fill in the gap. The turkish conquest came from turkey, through greece, to albania.. and albania was way bigger then in size. its not a detour as you stated, as it was a strategic route, or so the turks thought. Even the conquror turk who conquored all the lands (mehmet II) after 2 attempts could not get through albania himself.. of course until our leader died of natural causes.. then it was fair game for the turks. Now im not saying albania was the only way, im saying at that time, the strategy of the turks was through albania, but little did they know, it was a bad decision. Albanian-1 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7265724 Croatia 12/17/2011 07:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The world needs to know the sacrafice albanians made for christianity. Just watch the documentary. imagine how overwhelmned rome would of been if the ottomans took a hold of it. But NO!, we saved christianity.. Quoting: Albanian-1 a nod would be appreciated from those 2 posters above.. and today: muslim albanians side with the turks, because after the fall of skenderbeg, albanians become leaders in the ottoman empire and were sometimes the leading figures for 400 years.. thats the muslim albanians.. the christian albanians: alot are in italy (arbresh) they escaped during the ottoman invasion. christian albanians hate turks and arabs.. very racist towards them. Albanians are muslims.....and leading crime land... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7264834 Luxembourg 12/17/2011 07:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Albanians mostly don't give a shit what some minor gipsy from serbia or roumania says. Many albanian family members have freakin blue eyes, if that doesn't proove their supremacy over all the other countries in the balkan, I don't know what else would. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7264834 Albanians are white as white can be, that is fact, ... And i think this is why we feel a good connection and affinity with germans and italians.. and the romanians fall in the same catagory, white as white can be. as for the slavs, theyre from siberia, mongolian-iranian siberia that is. Yes most albanian people speak fluent italian and even german and french.. Personally, I speak 6 languages. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7011434 United Kingdom 12/17/2011 08:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now im not saying albania was the only way, im saying at that time, the strategy of the turks was through albania, but little did they know, it was a bad decision. Quoting: Albanian-1 yeah very bad, so bad i dont see it would be acted upon, did they intend to reach Italy? once Albania has fallen later on, they didnt suddenly find themselves marching on Rome. Instead they apparently go north Veinna, rather than west to Venice. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 3037750 Canada 12/17/2011 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now im not saying albania was the only way, im saying at that time, the strategy of the turks was through albania, but little did they know, it was a bad decision. Quoting: Albanian-1 yeah very bad, so bad i dont see it would be acted upon, did they intend to reach Italy? once Albania has fallen later on, they didnt suddenly find themselves marching on Rome. Instead they apparently go north Veinna, rather than west to Venice. the intention of the conquror(mehmet ii) was to reach italy. As he already conquored almost all of eastern europe. AFter he conquored greece and macedonia, he headed due west for rome. But, the albanians under skanderbeg kept him at bay for half a century. After finally taking albania, the will power was not strong enough to overtake rome... Of course, the albanian resistance bought precious time, nearly a 100 years before the ottoman headed for vienna.. That precious time, 100 years, proved vital for the rest of europe. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 737832 Canada 12/17/2011 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now im not saying albania was the only way, im saying at that time, the strategy of the turks was through albania, but little did they know, it was a bad decision. Quoting: Albanian-1 yeah very bad, so bad i dont see it would be acted upon, did they intend to reach Italy? once Albania has fallen later on, they didnt suddenly find themselves marching on Rome. Instead they apparently go north Veinna, rather than west to Venice. the intention of the conquror(mehmet ii) was to reach italy. As he already conquored almost all of eastern europe. AFter he conquored greece and macedonia, he headed due west for rome. But, the albanians under skanderbeg kept him at bay for half a century. After finally taking albania, the will power was not strong enough to overtake rome... Of course, the albanian resistance bought precious time, nearly a 100 years before the ottoman headed for vienna.. That precious time, 100 years, proved vital for the rest of europe. Khazarians stopped the onslaught of Islam from reaching Europe by way of what is now the Ukraine. History certainly has strange twists and turns. |