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The Mayans and Comet Lovejoy???

 
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The Mayans and Comet Lovejoy???
Comet Lovejoys estimated orbit has been changed several times since its discovery in late November this year. Original models suggested an orbit near 300 years.
Currently, on jpl database, they estimate its orbit to be much longer, near 400 years.

So, how long is its orbit exactly??
The updated information suggests the original orbit models were incorrect, so it would be safe to assume an orbit near 400 years is more accurate, although not exact.

400 years = 146,000 days
1 Bak'tun = 144,000 days

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Interesting to say the least.

So, let us assume for a moment, that this comet is directly linked to the Mayan 144,000 day cycle.
It works out to approx 394 years.
2012 - 394 = 1618 (using Jan 1/2012 just to make things easy since we are close to that date now)

In the years leading up to 1618, there were global climate changes occuring. Volcano activity rapidly increased, and weather anomolies were recorded throughout the world. Severe winters, droughts during summer and coastal flooding wrecked havoc on the world. In the years after 1618, climate remained unstable. This time period is known as the Maunder minimum, with some of the lowest recorded solar activity on record. The 'Little Ice Age' began in Europe during this period as well. Without a doubt, this time period is known to historians as an age of climate change.

Lets go back another 394 years.
1618 - 394 = 1224
First we will look at the time leading up to this date. Coincidentally, it is also a significant period of climate change. The early years of the 13th century (1200 - 1210) brought quick changes to what had been a stable climate for many yeyears previous. This period contained one of the worst winters recorded in Europe (previous to the Little Ice Age), many rivers were completely frozen. Flooding and drought increased globally during this time as well. After 1224, things only got worse. During the time period between 1240 and 1280, 5 significant volcano eruptions are recorded. According to researchers, 'the amount of volcanic material ejected during the 13th century, was a factor 3 to 20 times larger than the amount ejected in any century for the previous 1000 years'. To put it mildly, this was a period of intense climate change, lasting nearly 100 years.

One more trip back through time, and then I will let you do your own research.
1224 - 394 = 830
Well, we can start with the decline of the Mayan Classical era during this time. The reasons for the quick decline are still unknown, but maybe the climate during that period will give some insight. A period of higher frequency of cold winters brought in this new period. Floding and drought were common throughout. Several volcano eruptions of note occured, and some powerful earthquakes. Records are not fully maintained during this period, so exact dates are somewhat sketchy.

It is important to note, that climate in between these periods was relatively stable, although trends of warming and cooling were apparent. From 800AD - 1200AD, for example, the world slowly warmed. From 1200AD - 1600AD, the world gradually cooled. From 1600AD to our present time, the world has been warming again.

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I think we should watch this one closely. Id like to see if anything is traveling with it. Could it cause a damaging meteor shower? If so, when, by the end of the year? we shall see.
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I think we should watch this one closely. Id like to see if anything is traveling with it. Could it cause a damaging meteor shower? If so, when, by the end of the year? we shall see.
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[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

^ GOTO that link, and click LASCO/C3 ^

Watch until it resets... is that not amazing!?!?!
It looks like... an eagle flying around the sun, doesn't it?!?

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Well first thing is it looks bigger than "they" say it is.

2nd: it survived it's swing so close to the sun? If it was the size of to football fields, I would have figured 2 million degrees would have melted it off?

3rd: It now looks like the sun has altered it's orbit..(at first it looked like it was leaping up into the sun, but now it looks like more of a straight path)?

4th: Sun Activity went to near zero.


Plus no new photo's from nasa since 12:30 UTC?

I'm going to keep an eye on this one.
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Well first thing is it looks bigger than "they" say it is.

2nd: it survived it's swing so close to the sun? If it was the size of to football fields, I would have figured 2 million degrees would have melted it off?

3rd: It now looks like the sun has altered it's orbit..(at first it looked like it was leaping up into the sun, but now it looks like more of a straight path)?

4th: Sun Activity went to near zero.


Plus no new photo's from nasa since 12:30 UTC?

I'm going to keep an eye on this one.
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DITTO.... Gotta watch this one....
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Tail drag will always make comets very difficult to predict.
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The period of comet Lovejoy is listed as 314.17 years, which means its last perihelion prior to yesterday was in 1697.

[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

In 1695, three Franciscans headed to Tayasal accompanied by four Christian Maya singers. They were well received, and a number of the Itza consented to be baptized. The Itza King, however, refused to convert to Christianity or pledge loyalty to Spain; he said a time would come when this would be the proper thing to do but that time had not arrived. A force of 60 Spanish soldiers and Maya allies were sent to the Petén the following year, but were beaten back by fierce Itza attacks.

The command in Mérida decided that a major force was needed, and in 1697 sent out a force of 235 Spanish soldiers and tens of thousands of Xiu Maya, along with artillery and a large supply train of mules and men to cut a path through the jungle. They set up a fort on the shore of Lake Petén Itza across from Tayasal, and reconstructed a small warship on the lake which had been brought with them in pieces.

On March 13, 1697, this force succeeded in conquering the Itza capital of Tayasal. The Spanish burned the Itza library of books "containing lies of the devil", and reported later that the city had so many idols that with almost the entire army set at work, it took from nine in the morning until half past five in the evening to break them all. Mesoamerica was not to see another independent native state for over a hundred years.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: wikipedia

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The period of comet Lovejoy is listed as 314.17 years, which means its last perihelion prior to yesterday was in 1697.

[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

In 1695, three Franciscans headed to Tayasal accompanied by four Christian Maya singers. They were well received, and a number of the Itza consented to be baptized. The Itza King, however, refused to convert to Christianity or pledge loyalty to Spain; he said a time would come when this would be the proper thing to do but that time had not arrived. A force of 60 Spanish soldiers and Maya allies were sent to the Petén the following year, but were beaten back by fierce Itza attacks.

The command in Mérida decided that a major force was needed, and in 1697 sent out a force of 235 Spanish soldiers and tens of thousands of Xiu Maya, along with artillery and a large supply train of mules and men to cut a path through the jungle. They set up a fort on the shore of Lake Petén Itza across from Tayasal, and reconstructed a small warship on the lake which had been brought with them in pieces.

On March 13, 1697, this force succeeded in conquering the Itza capital of Tayasal. The Spanish burned the Itza library of books "containing lies of the devil", and reported later that the city had so many idols that with almost the entire army set at work, it took from nine in the morning until half past five in the evening to break them all. Mesoamerica was not to see another independent native state for over a hundred years.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: wikipedia

 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect



Cool... The last perihelion of comet Lovejoy was exactly in the year when the Mayan Itza kingdom was destroyed... Great...

Thank you for making me shit my pants...
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The period of comet Lovejoy is listed as 314.17 years, which means its last perihelion prior to yesterday was in 1697.

[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

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It has been updated since, and will probably be updated again. They did not anticipate its direction around the sun correctly, and from what i read, it was actually closer to 413 years. 377 and 319 are also numbers I have read.
That link you provided was updated on the 14th... before it passed the sun

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[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

^ GOTO that link, and click LASCO/C3 ^

Watch until it resets... is that not amazing!?!?!
It looks like... an eagle flying around the sun, doesn't it?!?
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That was beautiful. Looks like the falcon is wheeling around the sun hurling towards us! It survived the SUN !
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The period of comet Lovejoy is listed as 314.17 years, which means its last perihelion prior to yesterday was in 1697.

[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

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It has been updated since, and will probably be updated again. They did not anticipate its direction around the sun correctly, and from what i read, it was actually closer to 413 years. 377 and 319 are also numbers I have read.
That link you provided was updated on the 14th... before it passed the sun
 Quoting: ItsYourFault


Well I haven't seen any orbital elements of this comet that changed the period from 314 years to anything else. You have any link to prove your claim? Wikipedia still lists the period as 314 years.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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The period of comet Lovejoy is listed as 314.17 years, which means its last perihelion prior to yesterday was in 1697.

[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

In 1695, three Franciscans headed to Tayasal accompanied by four Christian Maya singers. They were well received, and a number of the Itza consented to be baptized. The Itza King, however, refused to convert to Christianity or pledge loyalty to Spain; he said a time would come when this would be the proper thing to do but that time had not arrived. A force of 60 Spanish soldiers and Maya allies were sent to the Petén the following year, but were beaten back by fierce Itza attacks.

The command in Mérida decided that a major force was needed, and in 1697 sent out a force of 235 Spanish soldiers and tens of thousands of Xiu Maya, along with artillery and a large supply train of mules and men to cut a path through the jungle. They set up a fort on the shore of Lake Petén Itza across from Tayasal, and reconstructed a small warship on the lake which had been brought with them in pieces.

On March 13, 1697, this force succeeded in conquering the Itza capital of Tayasal. The Spanish burned the Itza library of books "containing lies of the devil", and reported later that the city had so many idols that with almost the entire army set at work, it took from nine in the morning until half past five in the evening to break them all. Mesoamerica was not to see another independent native state for over a hundred years.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: wikipedia

 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Tayasal, capital of the Itza Maya in the Petén Basin, the last independent Maya polity, is conquered by Spain.
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Comet Lovejoys estimated orbit has been changed several times since its discovery in late November this year. Original models suggested an orbit near 300 years.
Currently, on jpl database, they estimate its orbit to be much longer, near 400 years.

So, how long is its orbit exactly??
The updated information suggests the original orbit models were incorrect, so it would be safe to assume an orbit near 400 years is more accurate, although not exact.

400 years = 146,000 days
1 Bak'tun = 144,000 days

blink

Interesting to say the least.

Thoughts?
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Coincidence maybe?

Just like the comets name is a coincidence,

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The period of comet Lovejoy is listed as 314.17 years, which means its last perihelion prior to yesterday was in 1697.

[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

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It has been updated since, and will probably be updated again. They did not anticipate its direction around the sun correctly, and from what i read, it was actually closer to 413 years. 377 and 319 are also numbers I have read.
That link you provided was updated on the 14th... before it passed the sun
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Well I haven't seen any orbital elements of this comet that changed the period from 314 years to anything else. You have any link to prove your claim? Wikipedia still lists the period as 314 years.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Google 'comet lovejoy orbit'.
You can find the different orbits listed in various blogs, which are from varying dates, all using jpl data on different days.
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The period of comet Lovejoy is listed as 314.17 years, which means its last perihelion prior to yesterday was in 1697.

[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

In 1695, three Franciscans headed to Tayasal accompanied by four Christian Maya singers. They were well received, and a number of the Itza consented to be baptized. The Itza King, however, refused to convert to Christianity or pledge loyalty to Spain; he said a time would come when this would be the proper thing to do but that time had not arrived. A force of 60 Spanish soldiers and Maya allies were sent to the Petén the following year, but were beaten back by fierce Itza attacks.

The command in Mérida decided that a major force was needed, and in 1697 sent out a force of 235 Spanish soldiers and tens of thousands of Xiu Maya, along with artillery and a large supply train of mules and men to cut a path through the jungle. They set up a fort on the shore of Lake Petén Itza across from Tayasal, and reconstructed a small warship on the lake which had been brought with them in pieces.

On March 13, 1697, this force succeeded in conquering the Itza capital of Tayasal. The Spanish burned the Itza library of books "containing lies of the devil", and reported later that the city had so many idols that with almost the entire army set at work, it took from nine in the morning until half past five in the evening to break them all. Mesoamerica was not to see another independent native state for over a hundred years.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: wikipedia

 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect



Cool... The last perihelion of comet Lovejoy was exactly in the year when the Mayan Itza kingdom was destroyed... Great...

Thank you for making me shit my pants...
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The period of comet Lovejoy is listed as 314.17 years, which means its last perihelion prior to yesterday was in 1697.

[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


It has been updated since, and will probably be updated again. They did not anticipate its direction around the sun correctly, and from what i read, it was actually closer to 413 years. 377 and 319 are also numbers I have read.
That link you provided was updated on the 14th... before it passed the sun
 Quoting: ItsYourFault


Well I haven't seen any orbital elements of this comet that changed the period from 314 years to anything else. You have any link to prove your claim? Wikipedia still lists the period as 314 years.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Google 'comet lovejoy orbit'.
You can find the different orbits listed in various blogs, which are from varying dates, all using jpl data on different days.
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Is it too hard for you to provide one link? I have googled and so far, the orbital period I got is still 314 years.
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By the way, where is Lovejoy right now?

Any images of the comet AFTER the passed by the Sun?
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Is it too hard for you to provide one link? I have googled and so far, the orbital period I got is still 314 years.
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This is probably its very first orbital journey “all by itself” since it was liberated from its parent. The JPL database shows that the comet circles the sun every 413 years give or take 133 years. In other words the exact orbit is still a bit fuzzy. More observations will be needed to nail it with precision.

[link to astrobob.areavoices.com]

[link to tech.groups.yahoo.com]

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There is also talk that this comet is just a small piece of a comet that split many years ago, following along the orbit with all the other pieces that were part of this once larger 'parent comet'. What other larger pieces might there be?? Maybe it isn't a comet afterall?? At the size it was estimated, and the relative closeness to the sun, it shouldn't be around anymore realistically.
It was only discovered November 27th 2011, they are still workin on it

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By the way, where is Lovejoy right now?

Any images of the comet AFTER the passed by the Sun?
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Theres a link above that shows the comet after its passing the sun. Looks awesome

EDIT: spelling

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Suns activity still affected

[link to www.solarham.com] - xrays

[link to www.solarham.com] - all

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Was just looking at the most current SOHO movies of Lovejoy on C3. [link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov]
This thing went around the sun like a bat out of hell and survived... now it's movement has almost halted?

Maybe our sun has not had enough of Lovejoy yet?

"me love you long time" said the sun.

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linksucks
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Fixed the link... Man I hate "cookies"
[link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov]
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linksucks
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Fixed the link... Man I hate "cookies"
[link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov]
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It's lookin good!!

[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
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bump

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The Sun is still very calm after seing the great cross of Love and Joy...
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The Sun is still very calm after seing the great cross of Love and Joy...
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or, the eagle

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Im not buying the dirty snowball standard science has for all comets. A big ice ball could not have survived skimming the surface of the sun as it did.
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