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I'm going to impart my limited knowledge of physics.

I'm looking at the pictures and thinking, "wow, the amount of power necessary to blow the entire side of the building out, from the OUTSIDE must be enormous. I've seen less damage from bombs dropped by fighter jets.

Also, you would certainly expect the damage to diminish the higher up the building you get but there is just as much damage at the top as there is at the bottom. A "bomb" tends to do it's damage in a radius; equal pressure in a sphere-like pattern, (unless it is specifically designed to be directional), but we don't see that here. I would expect the side of the building to look like a giant bowling ball hit the side of it, not a giant baseball bat.
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I'm going to impart my limited knowledge of physics.

I'm looking at the pictures and thinking, "wow, the amount of power necessary to blow the entire side of the building out, from the OUTSIDE must be enormous. I've seen less damage from bombs dropped by fighter jets.

Also, you would certainly expect the damage to diminish the higher up the building you get but there is just as much damage at the top as there is at the bottom. A "bomb" tends to do it's damage in a radius; equal pressure in a sphere-like pattern, (unless it is specifically designed to be directional), but we don't see that here. I would expect the side of the building to look like a giant bowling ball hit the side of it, not a giant baseball bat.
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Trajectory?
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I believe it was carried out because the militia movement was becoming very popular at the time, and militia groups were springing up everywhere.

Our government wanted to put a stop to it and it worked.
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I believe it was carried out because the militia movement was becoming very popular at the time, and militia groups were springing up everywhere.

Our government wanted to put a stop to it and it worked.
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Clinton had his legislation ready within a day or two.
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Eric Holder was Janet Reno's deputy attorney General and he helped carry out this operation. The total corruption at the top means all the lower level FBI agents just take orders, are told what to do.

They have to obey orders or get fired, it's just like the military. They can even be shot for insubordination, just like the military.

I saw two "FBI" agents one time and it was this gigantic negro, about 6'7, at least 300lbs, AT LEAST, and his partner was a typical, FBI looking white guy, looked handsome, athletic, clean cut, but there was something that struck me as odd about their conversation. The black guy talked like a total thug gangster, he was nothing but a thug with a badge, but the white guy talked kind of like, he was the wife. I didn't even put two and two together for years, even with the constant investigations of anti-gay speech and such. It's full of queers and fags. Inter-racial gay couples. That's what real life is like in the US. Inter-racial gay FBI agents who are the lowest thug criminals you could imagine. The people in prison are more decent people.


I remember it used to be a big news story, the big GAy PRide day at the CIA and FBI. It was apparently a really big day there, like Christmas almost.
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Cool video is cool

Oklahoma City Bombing RARE footage

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General Ben Partin (USAF, ret) speaks about the Murrah federal building blast as an explosives expert.


OKC no crater in the road..
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Did they really think people would not remember Waco and Ruby Ridge? Are all Democrats liars, thieves, cheats and worse? Patriots need to infiltrate both parties and turn this America around.

There was a book written years before OK City that laid out the scenario for it and the bomber had the name McVeigh. Read that somewhere but didn't track down the book. So no link do I have to that.
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thanks OP

clinton chronicles

eric holder OKC cover up

obama is osama

trifecta of terrorists run the gov

funny but sad
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You "forgot" the Bush bookends to the Clinton years, which would would make it a quintet of terrorists, but that doesn't have quite the partisan alliteration to eh?
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"The Final Jihad", a novel said to be a fictional account of terror and intrigue, was authored by Oklahoma governor Frank Keating's brother, Martin Keating.

Written in 1991, but not released until 1996, it was called prophetic because many of the "terrorist" crimes which have been perpetrated bear an amazing similarity to its story line.

Four years before the devastating Oklahoma City bombing, Martin Keating wrote of a terrorist network in Oklahoma with a central figure named Tom McVey. He told of the terrorist's arrest based on a minor traffic violation by an unsuspecting highway patrolman.

At the time Timothy McVeigh was originally apprehended by an unsuspecting state trooper near Perry Oklahoma- only an hour and a half after the bombing- televised news accounts for several hours thereafter were reporting the arrest of "Thomas McVeigh"

The publicity notes which promoted the book on an Internet site claimed that;

"Martin Keating is a master storyteller with unique access to government intelligence agencies and clandestine terrorist groups. His brother Frank Keating, currently governor of Oklahoma, is a former FBI agent and assistant secretary of the Treasury who supervised the Secret Service, U.S. Customs, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms."

The notes further reveal that Keating was "introduced to the intelligence community through generations of family involvement. "Martin Keating knows intimate details of what the rest of us can only imagine. Armed with firsthand knowledge...Keating accurately reveals what the highest government officials have known."

Keatings book was completed in 1991, prior to the acts of terrorism he describes. In 1991 Keating "accurately reveals what the highest government officials have known."

Keating detailed beforehand knowledge in his book "The Final Jihad", relating a whole series of pre-scripted "terrorist" activities, False Flag operations, which included the Oklahoma City bombing, the Arizona Amtrak derailment, the plane crash into the White House, the World Trade Center bombing and TWA Flight 800.

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Thank you for bringing this up, it really doesn't get the attention it deserves.hf
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thanks OP

clinton chronicles

eric holder OKC cover up

obama is osama

trifecta of terrorists run the gov

funny but sad
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You "forgot" the Bush bookends to the Clinton years, which would would make it a quintet of terrorists, but that doesn't have quite the partisan alliteration to eh?
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Clinton reported directly to GHWB. George had already spent 3 terms as president, thats why he tanked the election.
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I believe it was carried out because the militia movement was becoming very popular at the time, and militia groups were springing up everywhere.

Our government wanted to put a stop to it and it worked.
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Clinton had his legislation ready within a day or two.
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Kinda like the PATRIOT Act was all tuned-up and ready to go shortly after 9/11.

damned
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I believe it was carried out because the militia movement was becoming very popular at the time, and militia groups were springing up everywhere.

Our government wanted to put a stop to it and it worked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5974420


Clinton had his legislation ready within a day or two.
 Quoting: New Age Messiah


Kinda like the PATRIOT Act was all tuned-up and ready to go shortly after 9/11.

damned
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Not defending Clinton, they had already drafted this bill and it was backburnered in Congress after the first WTC bombing. But Clinton was ready with a retooled Anti Terror bill that passed by an overwhelming margin, I think only 7-8 people voted against it. The mood in DC was only one click down from what we all saw on 9/11.
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Honestly, where is the crater in the road in this photo? Is it on the far right side? Is this a real photo?

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Honestly, where is the crater in the road in this photo? Is it on the far right side? Is this a real photo?

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No, its just left of center. You can see the plywood, and its not so much a crater as it is just a big hole. Gen Partin said it was about 4 feet deep, and around 8 feet in diameter. Now, that could have been shopped in, but I'm just going on what Partin said. First time I've seen that photo.

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Honestly, where is the crater in the road in this photo? Is it on the far right side? Is this a real photo?

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No, its just left of center. You can see the plywood, and its not so much a crater as it is just a big hole. Gen Partin said it was about 4 feet deep, and around 8 feet in diameter. Now, that could have been shopped in, but I'm just going on what Partin said. First time I've seen that photo.
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Ahhh, ok.


Well, that doesn't look right to me. I don't know much about that sort of thing, but it seems like there would be a larger area destroyed on the ground when you see how much of the building has been destroyed. If that makes sense.
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Honestly, where is the crater in the road in this photo? Is it on the far right side? Is this a real photo?

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No, its just left of center. You can see the plywood, and its not so much a crater as it is just a big hole. Gen Partin said it was about 4 feet deep, and around 8 feet in diameter. Now, that could have been shopped in, but I'm just going on what Partin said. First time I've seen that photo.
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Ahhh, ok.


Well, that doesn't look right to me. I don't know much about that sort of thing, but it seems like there would be a larger area destroyed on the ground when you see how much of the building has been destroyed. If that makes sense.
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The truck bomb didnt do that damage, watch the video.
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Honestly, where is the crater in the road in this photo? Is it on the far right side? Is this a real photo?

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No, its just left of center. You can see the plywood, and its not so much a crater as it is just a big hole. Gen Partin said it was about 4 feet deep, and around 8 feet in diameter. Now, that could have been shopped in, but I'm just going on what Partin said. First time I've seen that photo.
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Ahhh, ok.


Well, that doesn't look right to me. I don't know much about that sort of thing, but it seems like there would be a larger area destroyed on the ground when you see how much of the building has been destroyed. If that makes sense.
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The truck bomb didnt do that damage, watch the video.
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I did watch the video.
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No, its just left of center. You can see the plywood, and its not so much a crater as it is just a big hole. Gen Partin said it was about 4 feet deep, and around 8 feet in diameter. Now, that could have been shopped in, but I'm just going on what Partin said. First time I've seen that photo.
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Ahhh, ok.


Well, that doesn't look right to me. I don't know much about that sort of thing, but it seems like there would be a larger area destroyed on the ground when you see how much of the building has been destroyed. If that makes sense.
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The truck bomb didnt do that damage, watch the video.
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I did watch the video.
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OK, so you still think a "bomb" on the street destroyed the building?
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Okay, so what was the motive again? To give militias a bad name and precedent to keep an eye on them?
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That would be an obvious bonus from the event but the Clinton administration (from what I recall) was attempting to get anti-terrorist funding (we all know what that's really meant for...bigger police state) and it was rejected, so by creating a false flag like this, who's patsy would be tied to the alleged domestic terrorists, they got their funding shortly thereafter and the added bonus of making spoonfed Americans believe that those who support the constitution and believe in the 2nd amendment are their enemies.

What is interesting to me is that if all that funding was truly needed to "fight terrorism", why didn't all that extra funding stop 9-11? That was rhetorical of course, I don't believe for a second that anything that occurs which further erodes our liberties and gives the feds greater power has anything to do with anyone OTHER than the feds themselves.

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Okay, so what was the motive again? To give militias a bad name and precedent to keep an eye on them?
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That would be an obvious bonus from the event but the Clinton administration (from what I recall) was attempting to get anti-terrorist funding (we all know what that's really meant for...bigger police state) and it was rejected, so by creating a false flag like this, who's patsy would be tied to the alleged domestic terrorists, they got their funding shortly thereafter and the added bonus of making spoonfed Americans believe that those who support the constitution and believe in the 2nd amendment are their enemies.

What is interesting to me is that if all that funding was truly needed to "fight terrorism", why didn't all that extra funding stop 9-11? That was rhetorical of course, I don't believe for a second that anything that occurs which further erodes our liberties and gives the feds greater power has anything to do with anyone OTHER than the feds themselves.

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Clinton was trying to push through funding to put another 100,000 cops on the street. This was another reason for the militia movement and for the spike in gun sales.

Yes, it was all about fighting "terrorism", but now the enemy was a domestic terrorist. He might be your neighbor, your boss, or the guy that drives your kid's school bus. Such was the nature of the media campaign directed at the militias. They folded up like a boy scout tent under the weight of the national war instinct that was channeled at the patriot movement. And that was the primary objective, although there were about a dozen things effected out of this psyop, which including burying all the evidence on Waco and Mena, as well as a warning to any federal agents that were thinking about going public with any of this knowledge.
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Ahhh, ok.


Well, that doesn't look right to me. I don't know much about that sort of thing, but it seems like there would be a larger area destroyed on the ground when you see how much of the building has been destroyed. If that makes sense.
 Quoting: Ilikecandy


The truck bomb didnt do that damage, watch the video.
 Quoting: Ghenghy


I did watch the video.
 Quoting: Ilikecandy


OK, so you still think a "bomb" on the street destroyed the building?
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No. I don't see how that is possible.

I had never really looked at what happened in OKC. Seems strange since I always am looking at some conspiracy stuff, lol. Ahh, well. More to stuff to look through.

Thank you for the help.
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The truck bomb didnt do that damage, watch the video.
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I did watch the video.
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OK, so you still think a "bomb" on the street destroyed the building?
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No. I don't see how that is possible.

I had never really looked at what happened in OKC. Seems strange since I always am looking at some conspiracy stuff, lol. Ahh, well. More to stuff to look through.

Thank you for the help.
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No problem, the public quickly accepted the official story and buried it in the national conscience as the actions of just another "lone" whacko anti-government gun nut, and fell back into their deep slumber of trust and faith in the federal government to protect them from these people, the militias.
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I guess folks outside of places like here really dont give a dam. One question I have wasn't there any "whistleblowers" what ever happened to them? Did they go the way of 911 folks?
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Okay, so what was the motive again? To give militias a bad name and precedent to keep an eye on them?
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That would be an obvious bonus from the event but the Clinton administration (from what I recall) was attempting to get anti-terrorist funding (we all know what that's really meant for...bigger police state) and it was rejected, so by creating a false flag like this, who's patsy would be tied to the alleged domestic terrorists, they got their funding shortly thereafter and the added bonus of making spoonfed Americans believe that those who support the constitution and believe in the 2nd amendment are their enemies.

What is interesting to me is that if all that funding was truly needed to "fight terrorism", why didn't all that extra funding stop 9-11? That was rhetorical of course, I don't believe for a second that anything that occurs which further erodes our liberties and gives the feds greater power has anything to do with anyone OTHER than the feds themselves.

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Clinton was trying to push through funding to put another 100,000 cops on the street. This was another reason for the militia movement and for the spike in gun sales.

Yes, it was all about fighting "terrorism", but now the enemy was a domestic terrorist. He might be your neighbor, your boss, or the guy that drives your kid's school bus. Such was the nature of the media campaign directed at the militias. They folded up like a boy scout tent under the weight of the national war instinct that was channeled at the patriot movement. And that was the primary objective, although there were about a dozen things effected out of this psyop, which including burying all the evidence on Waco and Mena, as well as a warning to any federal agents that were thinking about going public with any of this knowledge.
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You're correct, I remember the 100,000 additional cops rhetoric that Clinton was pining for. Although I agree with your summation overall about the demise of patriot groups at that time, the rise of "oath keepers" and the "tea party" shows that they can't control a man's instinct to be free for long.

With McVeigh and Nichol's ties to Elohim City, the FBI's infiltration of that group (I'm thinking specifically of Carol Howe and her testimony), one thing I think many patriots took from that is...you simply can't trust outsiders that show up and are all too willing to incorporate violence against an enemy that is far superior in firepower combined with bureaucracy.

If McVeigh had truly been a "lone wolf", he certainly wouldn't have been caught speeding away 90 miles from the scene with NO LICENSE PLATES on his vehicle, talk about an obvious "duh" on the media's part in explaining that stroke of luck in catching the "bad guy".

For the record, my beliefs from surrounding events are:
Waco : Murder of church members to demonize weapons possession by those who see the government as the enemy.
Ruby Ridge: Same shit, aimed at white people who want to live away from a shithole society.
WTC bombing 1: FBI provided real bomb making materials and encouraged a real-time event, hell, this info was on the front page of the New York Times for Christ's sake! (people still don't get it)
OKC: Total inside job.
9-11: If people don't get this one then they either a) simply haven't bothered to look at the evidence of govt. cover-up and complicity or b)their IQ is below that of a watermelon.
Afghan/Iraq wars: Oil, heroin, a win on the "Grand Chessboard", and practice for more wars along with global dominance of Halliburton/KBR, etc...
Patriot Act: A slap in the face to everyone who truly understands liberty, the constitution, and to illicit response. Also openly extends all previous knowledge about what they were doing into the public domain where previously mentioned "watermelon" IQ's still believe it's all just a conspiracy theory.

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I am an Oklahoman, and I both felt the blast and saw the smoke cloud on the horizon.

My feeling -- and it is one shared by many Oklahomans -- is that we will simply never know the truth.

We do not necessarily trust the conclussions drawn by anyone, be they government officials, or theorists.

I strongly suspect that the McVeigh/ Nichols/ Fortier theory is too simplistic. There may have been other (foreign) parties involved -- early local media reports and word of mouth strongly implied a middle eastern man was in the crux of the event.

On the other hand, I do not place any creedence in outlandish and complex "false flag" theories.

I do not know the GLPer who goes by the name Sheepskin, but as a native Oklahoman, I can state that his opinion is commonly found here among those of us who witnessed or survived the event.

Furthermore, his syntax and use of the English language are entirely consistent with a native speaker of Oklahoman dialect of our language.

We are largely skeptical of the governent conclussions, but equally -- if not moreso -- skeptical of false flag theories.

We neither believe nor disbelieve much that is written about the event by outsiders. We can only evaluate information as consistent or inconsistent with our own experiences.
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I guess folks outside of places like here really dont give a dam. One question I have wasn't there any "whistleblowers" what ever happened to them? Did they go the way of 911 folks?
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Glad you asked,


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I guess folks outside of places like here really dont give a dam. One question I have wasn't there any "whistleblowers" what ever happened to them? Did they go the way of 911 folks?
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Glad you asked,


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LOT of people got suicided while Slick Willy was in office. Last time I saw the "list" it was well over 200 people, and that didnt even include Jim McDougal who had a "heart attack" while in federal custody. LOL
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I guess folks outside of places like here really dont give a dam. One question I have wasn't there any "whistleblowers" what ever happened to them? Did they go the way of 911 folks?
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Glad you asked,


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LOT of people got suicided while Slick Willy was in office. Last time I saw the "list" it was well over 200 people, and that didnt even include Jim McDougal who had a "heart attack" while in federal custody. LOL
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I especially enjoy the way sheeple blindly accept that suicide can occur with your hands taped behind your back, or the 2 shots with a revolver to the back of the head...priceless stuff from that administration.

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I guess folks outside of places like here really dont give a dam. One question I have wasn't there any "whistleblowers" what ever happened to them? Did they go the way of 911 folks?
 Quoting: Forward Observer


Glad you asked,


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gonzo2
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LOT of people got suicided while Slick Willy was in office. Last time I saw the "list" it was well over 200 people, and that didnt even include Jim McDougal who had a "heart attack" while in federal custody. LOL
 Quoting: Ghenghy


I especially enjoy the way sheeple blindly accept that suicide can occur with your hands taped behind your back, or the 2 shots with a revolver to the back of the head...priceless stuff from that administration.

gonzo2
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No shit. Vince Foster was found laying stretched out in the front seat of his car, with both arms to his side, and the gun in the wrong hand. Poor Vince, I guess he just couldnt take the stress of the big city. The FBI also found carpet fibers on his boxers that were traced to Hillary's condo, but I dont remember reading that in USA Today. LOL

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I guess folks outside of places like here really dont give a dam. One question I have wasn't there any "whistleblowers" what ever happened to them? Did they go the way of 911 folks?
 Quoting: Forward Observer


Glad you asked,


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 Quoting: Just Some Dude


WOW I am speechless.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.--Ben Franklin





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