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The Baltic Dry Index Tells The Real Story Of China's Economy!!!

 
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The Baltic Dry Index Tells The Real Story Of China's Economy!!!
Forget The Shanghai Composite, The Baltic Dry Index Tells The Real Story Of China's Economy



There is a growing chorus of analyst voices calling for an economic collapse in China. This is based in part on how poorly Chinese stocks have done this year, and it sets up all sorts of worries about what an economic slowdown in China might do to prices of commodities, and to other world financial markets.

I have a different view, and it is based on the comparison we see in this week's chart. The Baltic Dry Index (Source: bloomberg.com BDIY:IND) is an index of dry shipping lease rates. In other words, it reflects how much it costs to rent a freighter for hauling non-liquid stuff.



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Good find, OP.

I think that if China's economy does slow down, it'll still be growing at a rate considerably faster than most of the rest of the world.

The baltic dry index tells us the global slowdown may not be as bad as we think.
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This is HUGE!!!
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Re: The Baltic Dry Index Tells The Real Story Of China's Economy!!!
Good find, OP.

I think that if China's economy does slow down, it'll still be growing at a rate considerably faster than most of the rest of the world.

The baltic dry index tells us the global slowdown may not be as bad as we think.
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Thank's! I think we don't see the big drop yet, but it's comming!
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Re: The Baltic Dry Index Tells The Real Story Of China's Economy!!!
Good find, OP.

I think that if China's economy does slow down, it'll still be growing at a rate considerably faster than most of the rest of the world.

The baltic dry index tells us the global slowdown may not be as bad as we think.
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this
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I was a BDI-tard in the past...

Now I realize that this index is meaningless.

Move along, nothing to see here.
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12/17/2011 05:14 PM
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it is the "tramp steamer" index; only references the business of those ships not under contract
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I was a BDI-tard in the past...

Now I realize that this index is meaningless.

Move along, nothing to see here.
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I think it's an indicative, but as i said the recession in ALL EU don't make feel so hard, but as all say it will be deeper in 2012. Then US and China will suffer more, because EU won't be able to buy as usual.
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China's economy won't crash.

It may slow down a little bit, but will keep growing above 7% per year.
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12/17/2011 05:25 PM

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China is a classic over built, debt ridden, manipulated bubble. Worse than Japan in '89. As it collapses the banks will fail, the workers will riot, and there will be regime change with incredible chaos. China is too big, too diverse(the number of different ethnic groups and languages is staggering. It will break up into at least 10 separate squabbling countries. Tibet will finally get it's freedom, but at a cost of dire poverty. Like Egypt, the unrest will end tourism. The economies of the new Chinese states will never rise again. So much for your recovering China
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China is a classic over built, debt ridden, manipulated bubble. Worse than Japan in '89. As it collapses the banks will fail, the workers will riot, and there will be regime change with incredible chaos. China is too big, too diverse(the number of different ethnic groups and languages is staggering. It will break up into at least 10 separate squabbling countries. Tibet will finally get it's freedom, but at a cost of dire poverty. Like Egypt, the unrest will end tourism. The economies of the new Chinese states will never rise again. So much for your recovering China
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Good riddance!
we're here to go
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A growth rate below 10% in China is almost real neg growth due to the amount of poverty in the country, a growth rate near 0% would be more devastating than a great depression in the us
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Re: The Baltic Dry Index Tells The Real Story Of China's Economy!!!
Forget The Shanghai Composite, The Baltic Dry Index Tells The Real Story Of China's Economy



There is a growing chorus of analyst voices calling for an economic collapse in China. This is based in part on how poorly Chinese stocks have done this year, and it sets up all sorts of worries about what an economic slowdown in China might do to prices of commodities, and to other world financial markets.

I have a different view, and it is based on the comparison we see in this week's chart. The Baltic Dry Index (Source: bloomberg.com BDIY:IND) is an index of dry shipping lease rates. In other words, it reflects how much it costs to rent a freighter for hauling non-liquid stuff.



Read more: [link to www.mcoscillator.com]
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Dude, that is in the Baltic. China is undercutting the major shipping lines with lower and lower rates.
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This is HUGE!!!
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thats what she said hiding
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Forget The Shanghai Composite, The Baltic Dry Index Tells The Real Story Of China's Economy



There is a growing chorus of analyst voices calling for an economic collapse in China. This is based in part on how poorly Chinese stocks have done this year, and it sets up all sorts of worries about what an economic slowdown in China might do to prices of commodities, and to other world financial markets.

I have a different view, and it is based on the comparison we see in this week's chart. The Baltic Dry Index (Source: bloomberg.com BDIY:IND) is an index of dry shipping lease rates. In other words, it reflects how much it costs to rent a freighter for hauling non-liquid stuff.



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 Quoting: Luisport



Dude, that is in the Baltic. China is undercutting the major shipping lines with lower and lower rates.
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China is building new cargo ships like pancakes. They crew them with Chinese who are willing to work for four dollars a day in Yuan. They can transport dry cargo cheaper than any other country in the world.
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Re: The Baltic Dry Index Tells The Real Story Of China's Economy!!!
Forget The Shanghai Composite, The Baltic Dry Index Tells The Real Story Of China's Economy



There is a growing chorus of analyst voices calling for an economic collapse in China. This is based in part on how poorly Chinese stocks have done this year, and it sets up all sorts of worries about what an economic slowdown in China might do to prices of commodities, and to other world financial markets.

I have a different view, and it is based on the comparison we see in this week's chart. The Baltic Dry Index (Source: bloomberg.com BDIY:IND) is an index of dry shipping lease rates. In other words, it reflects how much it costs to rent a freighter for hauling non-liquid stuff.



Read more: [link to www.mcoscillator.com]
 Quoting: Luisport



Dude, that is in the Baltic. China is undercutting the major shipping lines with lower and lower rates.
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I corrected you in the other thread but the "Baltic dry index" doesn't cover goods on the baltic sea, it is a worldwide indicator from 24 shipping zones. Google it.
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