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more baffled scientists...this is becoming a regular thing
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These are the same scientists who believe earth is the only planet with sentient life. Hell, they have to cash that check too.
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the sun is a UV source.
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This is an outstanding video in six parts. Here is the link to part 1:

[link to www.youtube.com]
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*facepalm*

and while people were sniffing jesus's old clothes and trying to find his image in a piece of fucking toast, his teachings go unheard and unpracticed, and a religion has built a temple over his grave to silence his turnings in the grave.

Fuck christianity. Fuck these people who try to perpetuate a story that has no basis in reality. Get fucking real and meditate on what HE actually said, not what some douchery in garbs has said!
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did they find any passports in the shroud?
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Hey Wildhoney. You are a IDIOT. If you go back to the thread you posted above about the silly piece of cloth. A person replies with a very factual and intelligent post; to which you replied with a moronic response. So please quit spouting silly thoughts.

The forensic evidence points to a medieval forgery. Stop misinforming people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6299961


Oh really?

did you read the link?

BBC programm..The blood marks on the face of the Turin shroud match allegedly the ones on the Sudarium of Oviedo which is documented back to THE FIRST CENTURY ALLEGEDLY

Both are AB blood group..and indicate seemingly that both cloths were placed on the face of the dead man following burial customs..The Shroud as an envelope covering the whole body..the sudarium on the face
 Quoting: wildhoney


How about you pull your head out of your stupid fucking ass and actually read the real evidence. The link you posted referred to another GLP thread with unsourced text. I'll give you the real evidence right fucking here, and if you continue to spout off your bullshit then you must be nothing more than a shill.

[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]

"Very small samples from the Shroud of Turin have been dated by accelerator mass spectrometry in laboratories at Arizona, Oxford and Zurich. As controls, three samples whose ages had been determined independently were also dated. The results provide conclusive evidence that the linen of the Shroud of Turin is mediaeval."


Now stop trying to persuade people to believe in your false reality. THANKS.
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Id appreciate if you kept your fowl language out of this thread thank you..
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Glory be to GOD!!!!
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Do NOT be deceived.

THINK about it. WHY has there been so much focus on blood types over the past decade? Blood type diet, etc. They will most likely be using the shroud of turin for a REASON -to deceive you. If anyone steps up and uses blood type to say "we are related to Jesus" and here is proof, do NOT be deceived. Whether you are included in that group or not. In order for someone to step and claim they are GOD or of the descendants, I would imagine blood type will be used as part of it.


"The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness."
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12


"Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,a’ and will deceive many"
Matthew 24:4

"and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people"
Matthew 24:11


"For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible."
Matthew 24:24

"So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man"
Matthew 24:26-27
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Jesus is a scientist too. He knew of the existence of spiritual energy that fills all space, and how to channel it, manipulate it and achieve predetermined results. Healings, manifesting matter, levitation and so on. Just like the holy scientists of the East have been able to do from antiquity to today.
scottish, british, european but first of all Human. Even this is not true. I am Spirit appearing to be solid, just like all life everywhere
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Must have been that pure AB- aryan blood.
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Aliens did it

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Glp said it first?

you decide

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Thread: Shroud of Turin is NOT a fake...
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bump
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My theory the image was produced by heat generated within the body by subatomic fusion ..altering the DNA ..creating a body not subject to time and space and restarting the life within the body at the same time
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That's a hypothesis, not a theory.

After you do some experiments and some proving, then you can call it a theory. Theories must be proven before they are so called.

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Yet another piece of the puzzle solved..Sodom and Gomorrah was authenticated only a few days ago.

God is not mocked...TRUTH trumps lies, everytime.

Glory to the Risen Christ....the only man to ever Resurrect!

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This is a long read but well worth the time it,s about D.N.A emitting UV light says it all...
[link to www.viewzone.com]
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Thank you, that was an excellent article !
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There is nothing supernatural about that.
 Quoting: DonHeau


:omgiggles:

riiiiiight
 Quoting: wildhoney


It is very simple science (knowledge).

Density and specific gravity play a major role.

Obviously Jesus altered his specific gravity value so that he had one less than a duck. Not the same. Then he would have been a witch. Since he made his specific gravity low enough to walk on water he was a master scientist, manipulating the natural laws so that he was 'lighter than a duck'. So simple.

Keep it simple!
 Quoting: DonHeau


easy peasy..thatss why so many do it all the timeright..?lol

not even a person has managed this

sure he could alter the laws of nature because He was/is..the Messiah
 Quoting: wildhoney


Jesus said what I do you can do also. So, yes, it should be easy peasy!!

And I already know what your generic christian answer is going to be for why we seemly cannot (ye of little faith)

But, maybe it is something else. Maybe it's ye of little understanding instead of faith. If we understood and could comprehend whatever it was that he and other mystics undertand, then we could manipulate matter. It would be as natural as breathing. But then, at that point, this reality would be completely different - even heavenly.
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i don't understand how this is supernatural????
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It was impossible for "cave men" to forge the shroud because they didn't have the technology...
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There were no "cave men" 2000 years ago!
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I love how it takes science 100+ years to confirm what many of us have known most of our lives...


Maybe one day in my lifetime they will prove that you can't get something from nothing proving scientifically that the Atheists are wrong and the creationists are indeed correct...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Well, how do you explain a god... since you can't get something from nothing, where did 'god' come from?
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i don't understand how this is supernatural????
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It was impossible for "cave men" to forge the shroud because they didn't have the technology...
 Quoting: BRIEF


There were no "cave men" 2000 years ago!
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I disagree, look at the folks on this site.
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Hey Wildhoney. You are a IDIOT. If you go back to the thread you posted above about the silly piece of cloth. A person replies with a very factual and intelligent post; to which you replied with a moronic response. So please quit spouting silly thoughts.

...


Oh really?

did you read the link?

BBC programm..The blood marks on the face of the Turin shroud match allegedly the ones on the Sudarium of Oviedo which is documented back to THE FIRST CENTURY ALLEGEDLY

Both are AB blood group..and indicate seemingly that both cloths were placed on the face of the dead man following burial customs..The Shroud as an envelope covering the whole body..the sudarium on the face
 Quoting: wildhoney


How about you pull your head out of your stupid fucking ass and actually read the real evidence. The link you posted referred to another GLP thread with unsourced text. I'll give you the real evidence right fucking here, and if you continue to spout off your bullshit then you must be nothing more than a shill.

[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]

"Very small samples from the Shroud of Turin have been dated by accelerator mass spectrometry in laboratories at Arizona, Oxford and Zurich. As controls, three samples whose ages had been determined independently were also dated. The results provide conclusive evidence that the linen of the Shroud of Turin is mediaeval."


Now stop trying to persuade people to believe in your false reality. THANKS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6299961


Id appreciate if you kept your fowl language out of this thread thank you..
 Quoting: wildhoney

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5848957


The pieces of cloth taken to sample were allegedly those sewn on to patch up burned marks

there is so much outstanding data to confirm authenticity in my opinion..that debunkers cant tap dance around it

the bs flag aint gonna cut this one
Matthew 16>18
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omgiggles

riiiiiight
 Quoting: wildhoney


It is very simple science (knowledge).

Density and specific gravity play a major role.

Obviously Jesus altered his specific gravity value so that he had one less than a duck. Not the same. Then he would have been a witch. Since he made his specific gravity low enough to walk on water he was a master scientist, manipulating the natural laws so that he was 'lighter than a duck'. So simple.

Keep it simple!
 Quoting: DonHeau


easy peasy..thatss why so many do it all the timeright..?lol

not even a person has managed this

sure he could alter the laws of nature because He was/is..the Messiah
 Quoting: wildhoney


Jesus said what I do you can do also. So, yes, it should be easy peasy!!

And I already know what your generic christian answer is going to be for why we seemly cannot (ye of little faith)

But, maybe it is something else. Maybe it's ye of little understanding instead of faith. If we understood and could comprehend whatever it was that he and other mystics undertand, then we could manipulate matter. It would be as natural as breathing. But then, at that point, this reality would be completely different - even heavenly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6345307


Indeed..but maybe the key is only available to those deserving it
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


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Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

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There are no real scientists examining the shroud. Real scientists are working on important things that actually effect our lives. They have done more for you than any supernatural boogie man ever has.
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They are not qualified to be scientists ?.
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i don't understand how this is supernatural????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1549920


It was impossible for "cave men" to forge the shroud because they didn't have the technology...
 Quoting: BRIEF


There were no "cave men" 2000 years ago!
 Quoting: 1nf1del


LOL! I won't even try and explain it to you...
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I love how it takes science 100+ years to confirm what many of us have known most of our lives...


Maybe one day in my lifetime they will prove that you can't get something from nothing proving scientifically that the Atheists are wrong and the creationists are indeed correct...
 Quoting: BRIEF


^ Behold the quote that doth begin a forum shitstorm. ^

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I love how it takes science 100+ years to confirm what many of us have known most of our lives...


Maybe one day in my lifetime they will prove that you can't get something from nothing proving scientifically that the Atheists are wrong and the creationists are indeed correct...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Well, how do you explain a god... since you can't get something from nothing, where did 'god' come from?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 787778


He is the creator...the circle/hoop that has no beginning or end...from his creation all things were made, including the laws of physics...
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I WONDER IF YOU TOUCH IT
IT WILL HEAL U
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the sun is a UV source.
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So you suggest they took a corpse and wrapped it into a cloth and then put the "bundle" out in the sun for days hoping to get a print on the cloth?

What a horrible thing to suggest. The corpse would start to rot within hours in the hot sun, the putrefying flesh stinking and dissolving inside the cloth.

Eventually after enough time in the sun you would have an enormous stain made by rotting human flesh, but I would bet my farm you would not find the defined form of a human body on the cloth.

And the stench!!! It would stay in the cloth forever. Your method using the sun as UV source would be the definite proof that a human body decays, nothing more!
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I WONDER IF YOU TOUCH IT
IT WILL HEAL U
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No, but it may turn you into a toad...
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in case there was any doubt about the preternatural degree of energy needed to make such distinct marks, the Enea report spells it out: "This degree of power cannot be reproduced by any normal UV source built to date.
 Quoting: Tekunda



they only managed the effect by scorching equivalent linen material with high-intensity ultra violet lasers,
 Quoting: Tekunda


Read these two paragraphs... do you understand why this reeks of bullshit?

You know, there are 2 ways of sawing a lady in half... you can actually saw her in half... or you can use one of several other methods, some well known, some not so well known.

Scientists btw, are the last people who should be called in to investigate anything supernatural.

I though Randi demonstrated that with Project Alpha.
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But this goes way beyond ..what the Shroud is also showing us in my opinion is :
Not only the authenticity of who Christ is..not that He needs it
But..also that we are now just a step in the evolution of humanity..the next human being will be like Christ..with a changed DNA..no longer subject to time or space and with power over all the elements..a human FREE from all restrictions

This human..or being..to become Christ Like..must have in my opinion a Spirit as pure and Loving as Christ because this can and will in my opinion..cause the change in DNA that I believe happened in the body of Christ..its a Spiritual Power..an energy..acquired by following the path showed to us by Christ

and this was the original being I believe ..before the "fall"

Christ came to show us the way back..with his teachings..and with His Life, Death and Resurrection

I think the implications are enormous!
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

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Thats why the Shroud happened..thats why only now there is the technology to fully comprehend it..in my opinion..because it was a message FOR TODAY..FOR US

why?

because we have reached the end of the world that was I think

we are now poised to take that step ..the Kingdom

I think its all coming together..NOW



and its absolutely amazing!Glory Be To God

cheer
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Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)

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