Scientists say Turin Shroud is supernatural - Brand-new research from Italy

These are all conclusions that are being jumped to without taking inot consideration that Jesus was actually a member of an alien race that were mistaken as "god."

Remember Occam's Razor? You know? Lex parsimoniae (the law of parsimony, economy or succinctness), is a principle that generally recommends from among competing hypotheses selecting the one that makes the fewest new assumptions..

All of his "miracles" can be explained with modern technology that could've been accessed through an advanced race.

Walking on water? Has been done through manipulation of gravity and optical illusions.

Curing the sick? Can be explained through moder medical proceedures.

Water into wine? Can be done through modern fermenting proccessing.

Virgin birth? Can be done through en vitro fertilization.

Angels descending from heaven? Jetpacks and parachutes anyone?

Stop looking into things as if there is some kind of "supernatural" explanation and look at it for what it is.

The burden of proof rest squarely on the believers shoulders, champ...


Oh, and Vatican funded psuedoscience is not a valid explanation.

One last comment before I leave this intellectual wasteland you're calling a discussion. High concentrations of UV rays cause by nuclear reaction, you say?



Anyone?

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spare me your sound bites.Im not a parrot

Ill give you someof mine to repeat..


:many of the scientists are not even Christian

Oh Lord!

The infidels are coming out with Shroud of Turin underwear!!!

It's all smoke and mirrors -- diversion tactics. Stick to the "aliens did it" argument. It's the best one you mockers have. Lol.

The Shroud is the real deal.

You look for "magic" and the "supernatural" to explain things we can now do on our own, and I'm the mocker?

Pull up your pants people, it's getting pretty deep in here.

Right, because the jewish people are immune to monetary bribery just like the Vatican. We all know how much those jewish people hate money.



The bullshit is getting up to neck level now.

If I were you Id just raise the BS flag and save the trouble
lol

I really hate to admit it..but Im reeeally enjoying this :omgiggles:

come on debunkers

give it your best

:blush:

I'll go ahead and humor your ridiculous beliefs and explainations though as you mock an alien theory. You are aware that Elohim means "Mighty Ones" refering to "those that came from the sky",in other words Extra-terrestrials, right?

It was the Elohim that created us! Genesis 1:26 Let US make MAN in OUR image after OUR likeness. John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are elohim?. In the jewish Torah it says Elohim and not God.

So explain it champ.

Thou hast sinnith in pride...repent and humble thyself!

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Is it any wonder that ancient people were fooled by the "miracles" of Jesus? This wasn't the first time extraterrestrials tried to influence human affairs. Previously, they successfully appeared to Moses as a "burning bush" and dumped the 10 Commandments on mankind.

The Aliens thought The Christ Project would be no different, but needless to say, their little experiment went horribly awry. Supposedly, the EBEN-2's were pretty damn pissed when they came back to check on Jesus' progress, only to find that the humans had killed him. Worse yet, the primitive fools started worshiping him!

2000 years and millions of atrocities later, Jesus the space alien is STILL being mistakenly worshiped as a God. Man is truly a pathetic creature ... desperately yearning for an "almighty being" to control and regulate their lives ... frantically looking for "God" in tortillas, oil stains, and tree trunks. Well, like it or not, we now have definitive proof that at least one of our earthly "gods", Jesus Christ, is a phony.

Name one of the "miracles" and I will most definitely give you an explanation using modern technology and common sense, along with a bit of Occam's Razor. I did this a bit already, earlier on this page...

not pride..nope..

I just like a good laugh :omgiggles:

Everyone knows its a fake.

jesus wore turtlenecks.

Surely before you can claim that is is Jesus' burial shroud you have to prove that he actually existed?

You mean like a birth certificate or something, perhaps a photo ID or what?

Gosh dont let me have to go and fish out that long post with all the historical data and evidence..if you insist I will

bet you if they had foresight ..they would say..on second thoughts lets NOT choose Barrabas lol

didnt turn out too well did it?

an historical "oops" moment

:omgiggles:

What this all shows is that the person we know as Christ lived about a thousand years ago and Scaligerian history concocted 700 years ago by the Vatican is now coming home to roost with those who weren't aware of it. They gave themselves a long and distinguished history that was non-existent.

Read Anatoly Fomenko, and coauthors. "History: Science or Myth?" So far only the first four volumes are in English. They can be found as .pdf files on the internet or purchased from amazon. The first one is the best 9 dollars you ever spent. If you think you know history, prepare to have your programming short-circuited. A whole boat-load of top Russian scholars have worked on this and the best thing our historians can come up with is that "a lot of people don't take this seriously" which equates rational thinking with rationalization.

Ever wonder why we had a bronze age before the discovery of tin? Or bronze before we knew how to reduce oxidized copper? Yes, indeed the Shroud of Turin is the image of the one. But he lived only slightly less than a millennium ago. And people can prove it! And they already have. But don't worry, you will be the last to know.

I am not saying Jesus did or did not exist. I can't prove it either way. As far as I am aware nobody else has been able to, so far, either.

My point is that before you can say he was wrapped in this cloth you have to be able to prove he did. That is just basic common sense.

With all due respect... I don't think people who believe that Jesus was some type of advanced, extraterrestrial-like being are "debunkers". Their theory is as far-fetched as the original one. It is obvious that G*d is not FROM this Earth...and anything not of this world is deemed a what?

And if G*d indeed fathered Jesus somehow, wouldn't that make him a hybrid and this would explain his powers?

Or that he was the son of god and not some whacko with a messiah complex. He wasn't the first, nor will he be the last with that mental condition.

lets put it this way:

this burial cloth according to Forensic evidence allegedly matches 100% the Gospel account of the torture and death of Christ..

Now remember this Forensic evidence could not have been verified and tested prior to having these advanced technologies available

get the picture?

and I wonder if He would bother if you wrote God or G.d?