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DEBUNKED: Medical Journal Article: 14,000 U.S. Deaths Tied to Fukushima Reactor Disaster Fallout

 
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Scientific American is running an article exposing the flawed methodology used in an International Journal of Health Services article promulgating that 14,000 U.S deaths are associated with the fallout from the Fukushima nuclear reactors.

It seems that this is not the first time that the authors of this study have manipulated the data sets in order to achieve the results that they desired.




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"... To unpack a little more, the authors take mortality figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports. I talk a little about these reports in my original piece. Suffice it to say that they are an incomplete record of deaths in the U.S. (as the authors acknowledge). The authors draw a hard line at the week of March 20, 2011, the 12th week of the year. They sum up all deaths around the country for both the 14 weeks preceding and the 14 weeks following March 20, 2011. They do the same for 2010. They find the CDC reports include 4.46 percent more dead people in the 14 weeks after March 20, 2011, than the reports did in the 14 weeks after March 20, 2010. The 14 weeks preceding March 20, 2011 (presumably before the radiation plume arrived and spread across the land) include only 2.34 percent more dead people than the 14 weeks preceding March 20, 2010. Since the CDC only reports on about 23.5 percent of all deaths, the authors claim, they helpfully multiply the supposed “excess” by 1/0.235 to arrive at the final number of 13,893 deaths.

No attempt is made at providing systematic error estimates, or error estimates of any kind. No attempt is made to catalog any biases that may have crept into the analysis, though a cursory look finds biases a-plenty (the authors are anti-nuclear activists unaffiliated with any research institution). The analysis assumes that the plume arrived on U.S. shores, spread everywhere, instantly, and started killing people immediately. It assumes that the “excess” deaths after March 20 are a real signal, not just a statistical aberration, and that every one of them is due to Fukushima radiation.

The publication of such sloppy, agenda-driven work is a shame. Certainly radiation from Fukushima is dangerous, and could very well lead to negative health effects—even across the Pacific. The world needs to have a serious discussion about what role nuclear power should play in a power-hungry post-Fukushima world. But serious, informed, fact-based debate is a difficult enough goal to achieve without having to shout above noise like this.
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Here is the bogus study in its entirety (pdf format): [link to www.radiation.org]
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I ignored this when it was first posted on here because I was certain this was BS. The time frame wasn't nearly long enough to isolate one factor. The whole thing was such obvious BS.
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Radiation and Manipulating Data makes my cat ANGRY!




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Certainly radiation from Fukushima is dangerous, and could very well lead to negative health effects—even across the Pacific. The world needs to have a serious discussion about what role nuclear power should play in a power-hungry post-Fukushima world. But serious, informed, fact-based debate is a difficult enough goal to achieve without having to shout above noise like this.

certain..yes..undoutedly..true..

BUT WHEN? HOW MUCH? WELL?
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I ignored this when it was first posted on here because I was certain this was BS. The time frame wasn't nearly long enough to isolate one factor. The whole thing was such obvious BS.
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One wonders why scientific American has not done this(examine the methodology, agenda etc) with the global warming debate, maybe its just easier to take down small lies.

Also it does nothing to disprove what fukushima has and still is doing as plume and ongoing radiation debacle. I dont support lies of course, even if they are used to supposedly bring big issues to public attention.
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Certainly radiation from Fukushima is dangerous, and could very well lead to negative health effects—even across the Pacific. The world needs to have a serious discussion about what role nuclear power should play in a power-hungry post-Fukushima world. But serious, informed, fact-based debate is a difficult enough goal to achieve without having to shout above noise like this.

certain..yes..undoutedly..true..

BUT WHEN? HOW MUCH? WELL?
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agreed
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"GE we bring good things to.." abomb
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I ignored this when it was first posted on here because I was certain this was BS. The time frame wasn't nearly long enough to isolate one factor. The whole thing was such obvious BS.
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I feel so...used!

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low dose studies.. (apparently never existed)?

before debunking and feeling unwell in the next few years, and then sorry for missing the point.... please watch the following report...

[link to www.fukushimaemergencywhatcanwedo.blogspot.com]

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low dose studies.. (apparently never existed)?

before debunking and feeling unwell in the next few years, and then sorry for missing the point.... please watch the following report...

[link to www.fukushimaemergencywhatcanwedo.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: citizenperth


A couple things:

1. This article explained how the study in question manipulated the data to achieve their desired outcome

2. Why are you spamming your blog in this thread. You could have easily posted a link to the youtube video and/or embedded the video

3. If you want to discuss the contents of that youtube video then start your own thread

4. The situation at Fukushima is a serious matter and any and all disinformation pertaining to the matter should be exposed--which is exactly what the author of this Scientific American article is doing
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@ Op.

take care, this shill from Perth got a big mouth!

u can trust insurances,
for japan 1 in 4700
for west us 1 afir 25000

get cancer because of 03/11

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I knew this was the route they would take a while back. I was browsing the news a few weeks ago and an article was talking about how cancer rates after Fukushima would be hard to detect because of the already high rate of cancer.

Which didn't make sense because the news has also been saying that cancer has gone down.

It's just good ol' misdirect. Lead you here, lead you there now you're spinning in circles.
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low dose studies.. (apparently never existed)?

before debunking and feeling unwell in the next few years, and then sorry for missing the point.... please watch the following report...

[link to www.fukushimaemergencywhatcanwedo.blogspot.com]
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BUNK!
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I ignored this when it was first posted on here because I was certain this was BS. The time frame wasn't nearly long enough to isolate one factor. The whole thing was such obvious BS.
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^That^
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Agree.
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I ignored this when it was first posted on here because I was certain this was BS. The time frame wasn't nearly long enough to isolate one factor. The whole thing was such obvious BS.
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^That^
 Quoting: ScrumpTheTexan


Agree.
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Thanks Wonkish.
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"GE we bring good things to.." abomb
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And quality debunk crap.....next thing on menu: it is not radiation it is bird flu! Roll out vaccines!!!
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The publication of such sloppy, agenda-driven work is a shame. Certainly radiation from Fukushima is dangerous, and could very well lead to negative health effects—even across the Pacific. The world needs to have a serious discussion about what role nuclear power should play in a power-hungry post-Fukushima world. But serious, informed, fact-based debate is a difficult enough goal to achieve without having to shout above noise like this.
"
Read the full article at:
[link to blogs.scientificamerican.com]




Here is the bogus study in its entirety (pdf format): [link to www.radiation.org]
 Quoting: Wonkish


Great. Lets apply those parameters to ALL media releases concerning Fukushima, inlcuding .gov, Tepco, et al.

Not saying the publication referred to isn't bogus, but plenty of reports coming from the 'authourities' have been debunked too. And are therefore bogus.

Pot calling kettle black.

Cointelpro.

Discernment dammit OP.
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The publication of such sloppy, agenda-driven work is a shame. Certainly radiation from Fukushima is dangerous, and could very well lead to negative health effects—even across the Pacific. The world needs to have a serious discussion about what role nuclear power should play in a power-hungry post-Fukushima world. But serious, informed, fact-based debate is a difficult enough goal to achieve without having to shout above noise like this.
"
Read the full article at:
[link to blogs.scientificamerican.com]




Here is the bogus study in its entirety (pdf format): [link to www.radiation.org]
 Quoting: Wonkish


Great. Lets apply those parameters to ALL media releases concerning Fukushima, inlcuding .gov, Tepco, et al.

Not saying the publication referred to isn't bogus, but plenty of reports coming from the 'authourities' have been debunked too. And are therefore bogus.

Pot calling kettle black.

Cointelpro.

Discernment dammit OP.
 Quoting: Baldrick


Good points Baldrick, but fence sitters are rarely seen as impartial , unbiased and neutral, they are actually excellent scapegoats for all opposing sides, makes you wonder why.
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low dose studies.. (apparently never existed)?

before debunking and feeling unwell in the next few years, and then sorry for missing the point.... please watch the following report...

[link to www.fukushimaemergencywhatcanwedo.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: citizenperth


I have been telling you guys this retard here is a faggot for a while now. Nobdoy listens, they like to imagine fukushima is the end of Japan and some morons like to pretend it is the end of the world.

The one positive outcome of fukushima being that bad is that CitizenFag would also die.
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The publication of such sloppy, agenda-driven work is a shame. Certainly radiation from Fukushima is dangerous, and could very well lead to negative health effects—even across the Pacific. The world needs to have a serious discussion about what role nuclear power should play in a power-hungry post-Fukushima world. But serious, informed, fact-based debate is a difficult enough goal to achieve without having to shout above noise like this.
"
Read the full article at:
[link to blogs.scientificamerican.com]




Here is the bogus study in its entirety (pdf format): [link to www.radiation.org]
 Quoting: Wonkish


Great. Lets apply those parameters to ALL media releases concerning Fukushima, inlcuding .gov, Tepco, et al.

Not saying the publication referred to isn't bogus, but plenty of reports coming from the 'authourities' have been debunked too. And are therefore bogus.

Pot calling kettle black.

Cointelpro.

Discernment dammit OP.
 Quoting: Baldrick


Hey man I am all for trying to find out what is really going on, but there is a lot of disinformation on both sides. The individuals who authored the 14,000 deaths article also authored the article about babies in the PNW dying.

Their article about the babies in the PNW was also flawed and its flaws were exposed in this article:
[link to blogs.scientificamerican.com]

Bullshiters, disinformation artists, and data-forgers need to be exposed because their disinformation does a lot of damage. Janette Sherman M.D. and Joseph Mangano, the authors of both of these studies, seem to have a history of data forging/manipulation.
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Scientific American is running an article exposing the flawed methodology used in an International Journal of Health Services article promulgating that 14,000 U.S deaths are associated with the fallout from the Fukushima nuclear reactors.

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9teen I disagree because I have seen with my own eyes the irresponsible behaviour of the US government when it comes to fallout. I used to live in the Weed - Mt Shasta area of northern California and one winters day when I was about 10 years old, my father was walking me and my sister to school at the top of the hill.

I said to him "Why is the snow green dad."

He replied that it was because of the nuclear bomb testing in Nevada.

So as far as the "Scientific American" is concerned I reckon that they are towing the party line, because they know which side their bread is buttered on.
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Scientific American is running an article exposing the flawed methodology used in an International Journal of Health Services article promulgating that 14,000 U.S deaths are associated with the fallout from the Fukushima nuclear reactors.

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:9teen: I disagree because I have seen with my own eyes the irresponsible behaviour of the US government when it comes to fallout. I used to live in the Weed - Mt Shasta area of northern California and one winters day when I was about 10 years old, my father was walking me and my sister to school at the top of the hill.

I said to him "Why is the snow green dad."

He replied that it was because of the nuclear bomb testing in Nevada.

So as far as the "Scientific American" is concerned I reckon that they are towing the party line, because they know which side their bread is buttered on.
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What is there to disagree with? Did you read the International Journal of Health Services article at the end of the OP? You honestly believed that the researchers' methodology was not flawed?
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One wonders why scientific American has not done this(examine the methodology, agenda etc) with the global warming debate, maybe its just easier to take down small lies.

Also it does nothing to disprove what fukushima has and still is doing as plume and ongoing radiation debacle. I dont support lies of course, even if they are used to supposedly bring big issues to public attention.
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Scientific American is running an article exposing the flawed methodology used in an International Journal of Health Services article promulgating that 14,000 U.S deaths are associated with the fallout from the Fukushima nuclear reactors.

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:9teen: I disagree because I have seen with my own eyes the irresponsible behaviour of the US government when it comes to fallout. I used to live in the Weed - Mt Shasta area of northern California and one winters day when I was about 10 years old, my father was walking me and my sister to school at the top of the hill.

I said to him "Why is the snow green dad."

He replied that it was because of the nuclear bomb testing in Nevada.

So as far as the "Scientific American" is concerned I reckon that they are towing the party line, because they know which side their bread is buttered on.
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What is their to disagree with? Did you read the International Journal of Health Services article at the end of the OP? You honestly believed that the researchers' methodology was not flawed?
 Quoting: Wonkish


Hi Sis, Hi Wonkish, these issues are divided and conquer, the jesuits and their ilk perfected it, logic can be used to propagate lies, and scientists especially in this age are virally prone to it, and that includes scientific so called American. So yes lets expose lies, but no lets not let that divided common cause, instead learn how to disagree but remain united in common cause for good and truth, imo.

By the way sis , if you saw green snow give us a date and thank you Lord for a confirmation from at least one other non religious party, amen.

These monstrous creatures who claim science as bastion, if you examine their lives in many many cases, end up being party lime towers who have private and extreme beliefs, which from a general public, man on the street, family oriented way, would be rejected as perverse and corrosive.
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What is their to disagree with? Did you read the International Journal of Health Services article at the end of the OP? You honestly believed that the researchers' methodology was not flawed?
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7491t9 No I haven't read it yet. I'm just honestly assuming that the researchers methodology is flawed.

After all if they can lie to us through their back teeth that chemtrails don't exist, why should I trust em on this. And like I said I did see the green snow.
So cause and effect. I was doing scientific research (observation) on this matter back in the mid 50s.
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One wonders why scientific American has not done this(examine the methodology, agenda etc) with the global warming debate, maybe its just easier to take down small lies.

Also it does nothing to disprove what fukushima has and still is doing as plume and ongoing radiation debacle. I dont support lies of course, even if they are used to supposedly bring big issues to public attention.
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Thanks, bless you too, by the way, what is India,s position on Fukushima, and has it affected India in public opinion and in physical actuality?

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