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YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THE HEAVENLY FATHER AND JOINED THE JESUS CULT

 
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Where should that be, in the Bible. Please quote.
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8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
(Hebrews 1:8-10)


For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
(Colossians 1:16)


Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
(Revelation 1:11)


Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
(Titus 2:13)

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
(Revelation 22:13)


And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
(Revelation 2:8)
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Where should that be, in the Bible. Please quote.
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8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7530631


Cited from the Psalm 45 about the ultimate human King:

... 2You are the most excellent of men ...

...7God, your God, has set you above your companions ...


The human King was exalted by God.
Further you do understand no human could have created the Earth couldn´t you:

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
(Hebrews 1:8-10)
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You have forgotten(??) to mention the quote above is not from the same Psalm.
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Where should that be, in the Bible. Please quote.
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8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7530631


Cited from the Psalm 45 about the ultimate human King:

... 2You are the most excellent of men ...

...7God, your God, has set you above your companions ...


The human King was exalted by God.
Further you do understand no human could have created the Earth couldn´t you:

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
(Hebrews 1:8-10)
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You have forgotten(??) to mention the quote above is not from the same Psalm.
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No those verses are Hebrews 1:8-10

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Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
(Titus 2:13)
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The difference between "the great God" and the "God Almighty" is in the adjective. They are not the same. "the Mighty" does not mean the "Almighty", at least in the Bible.
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Where should that be, in the Bible. Please quote.
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Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
(Revelation 1:11)

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
(Revelation 22:13)


And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
(Revelation 2:8)
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Regarding the Revelation you should know all said and showed there is ON BEHALF OF God - not Jesus as the preface reads:

1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, ... Rev 1
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John 6
38 For I came down from heaven,
not to do mine own will,
but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me,
that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me,
that every one which seeth the Son,
and believeth on him, may have everlasting life:
and I will raise him up at the last day.


Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners
spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,
whom he hath appointed heir of all things,
by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory,
and the express image of his person,
and upholding all things by the word of his power,
when he had by himself purged our sins,
sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4 Being made so much better than the angels,
as he hath by inheritance obtained
a more excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time,
Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?
And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten
into the world, he saith,
And let all the angels of God worship him.

7 And of the angels he saith,
Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son he saith,
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:
a sceptre of righteousness
is the sceptre of thy kingdom.


Jesus Christ and the Father are ONE
with the Holy Spirit.
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Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
(Titus 2:13)
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The difference between "the great God" and the "God Almighty" is in the adjective. They are not the same. "the Mighty" does not mean the "Almighty", at least in the Bible.
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so Jesus is a fake God?
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Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
(Titus 2:13)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7530631


The difference between "the great God" and the "God Almighty" is in the adjective. They are not the same. "the Mighty" does not mean the "Almighty", at least in the Bible.
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so Jesus is a fake God?
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No, not at all. Jesus Christ is divine. Only the Source of Christ´s divinity is His Father, not Jesus himself.
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Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
(Titus 2:13)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7530631


The difference between "the great God" and the "God Almighty" is in the adjective. They are not the same. "the Mighty" does not mean the "Almighty", at least in the Bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7308180


so Jesus is a fake God?
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No, not at all. Jesus Christ is divine. Only the Source of Christ´s divinity is His Father, not Jesus himself.
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The bible says Jesus is God, and that Jesus is the Creator. What are you saying Jesus is?
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Again y'shayah is the voice of god in the flesh so what it is you people fail to understand...By THE FATHER SAYING LET THERE BE LIGHT ,,,THE COMMAND WAS THE WORD THAT LIGHT BE FORMED...AND THAT WORD HE GAVE A FLESH NATURE...SO EVERYTHING THE MESSIAH TAUGHT WAS DIRECT FROM THE MOUTH OF THE FATHER THROUGH HIM
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And what you fail to understand is that God humbled Himself and put on human flesh......to go to the cross.

God is One.....but manifests Himself simultaneously as 3 personages......all interconnected as One......the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Difficult for us small humans to comprehend. But just because we cannot grasp it......does not mean God is not capable of this.


Christ will one day return as King over all the earth.


It is also possible that the Angel of the Lord was the Pre-incarnate Christ.


Notice in Genesis 22 that it is the Angel of the Lord talking with Abraham......and also identifying Himself as God.


But the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, "Abraham, Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am."

And He said, "Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me."


Then the Angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, and said: "By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld you son, your only son, in blessing I will bless you, and in multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."


Genesis:

Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness......."


And your statement that the Father said "Let there be light is a bit off." It was actually GOD who said this.

"Then God said, "Let there be light." (Gen 1:3)

The Father, Son, Spirit are all God......interconnected as ONE..... and simultaneously manifesting themselves as 3 different personages.
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There is an order or worship in the godhead and exactly if we dont honor the messiah then we dont honor the father..So messiah told us how to pray and if we disagree with that then you are not honoring what the son commanded..The apostles did it and he did it..So who are you to object?


Therefore corinthians shows again why power was given to messiah and when it will be restored back to the father because he is the fatherand the head

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Ps 110:1 Matt 22:44 Luke 20:43 Acts 2:34 Heb 1:13

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
Psa 8:6 Eph 1:22 Heb 2:8

28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all things.
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I am not sure how the above response even relates to my post.

It is pretty simple really.


On 2 occasions, Jesus claimed to be God. He said "I and My Father are One." and "Before Abraham was, I AM.


The jewish people felt that He was blaspheming.....by claiming to be God.....so they picked up stones to kill him. But He passed through their midst.

So that leaves really only two options:


1. Not believing......and picking up stones.

2. Believing in Him and following Him. Jesus: "Deny Yourself, Take up your cross, and follow Me.


Jesus says in Rev 3:20 that He knocks on the door of people's hearts. He is the seeker. If they open the door......He comes in to them. He is alive.

This is actually the baptism of the Spirit....being indwelt by the Spirit. The Holy Spirit and Christ are both God......interconnected.......as they are with the Father.


God is One.....manifesting simultaneously as three.....all interconnected.


When I say that I love Christ.......it means that I love God.....the Father, Son, and Spirit.....as they are all One.
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Yes, it is pretty simple after you read this:

John 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

So by your reasoning, we are all God also.

When someone says: "you and I are one on this", it doesn't mean we are ONE person, it just means we have the same goals.
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The difference between "the great God" and the "God Almighty" is in the adjective. They are not the same. "the Mighty" does not mean the "Almighty", at least in the Bible.
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so Jesus is a fake God?
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No, not at all. Jesus Christ is divine. Only the Source of Christ´s divinity is His Father, not Jesus himself.
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The bible says Jesus is God, and that Jesus is the Creator. What are you saying Jesus is?
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God, the Father creates by Word. Jesus Christ is God´s Word became flesh.
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I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
(Isaiah 43:11)


For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
(1 Timothy 4:10)


But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
(2 Timothy 1:10)


God is the only Saviour, Jesus is the Saviour, therefore, Jesus is the true God.
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Jesus is the first thing God created.

Col. 1:15

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exists."

By worshipping Jesus you are worshipping a creation not the creator.

Romans 1:25

They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Those who worship Jesus as God have broken the first of the ten commandments.

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
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I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
(Isaiah 43:11)


For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
(1 Timothy 4:10)


But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
(2 Timothy 1:10)


God is the only Saviour, Jesus is the Saviour, therefore, Jesus is the true God.
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LOL, in Isaiah does speak the Father of Jesus, not Jesus.
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I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
(Isaiah 43:11)


For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
(1 Timothy 4:10)


But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
(2 Timothy 1:10)


God is the only Saviour, Jesus is the Saviour, therefore, Jesus is the true God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7530631


LOL, in Isaiah does speak the Father of Jesus, not Jesus.
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YOU DID A GREAT GREAT JOB TO BRING LIGHT TO THE BLIND BUT THEY WILL NOT SEE. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE UNLEARNED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT. IF THEY HAD READ THE THREAD CAREFULLY AND WITHOUT HAVING PRIDE THE TRUTH WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDERSTOOD.


HEB CHP 6
even so likewise Christ honored not himself, that he might be the high priest: but he glorified him that said unto him: thou art my son, this day begat I thee

until they read and fully understand which was all broken down in the main thread, which is all scripture, may the Lord help them..I dont understand why people are outwardly denying he father is worthy of praise and that we should call on him by name.



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14 And God said unto Moses, I AM<01961> THAT I AM<01961>: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM<01961> hath sent me unto you. And God[THE FATHER] said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. (Exodus 3:13-15)

First, notice we have listed a few of the Strong's numbers in the Notes below. As we reference these Strong's Numbers for the names in the above passages, we can easily understand what Father's true Scriptural name is. Here is how we can find Father's true name.

First notice in Exodus 3:13-14 above, that Father tells us His name is "I Am" ("HaYah") that/who ("hu") I Am ("HaYah"), and as the Strong's Number reference <01961> tells us, it is this phrase that becomes the original basis for the names seen in <03050>YAH and <03068>YHWH, as well as for variations of this same name seen throughout Scripture.

This is name of the Father in this passage is very different from <03068> YHWH

Which name do we believe? well if we look at vs. 15...: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. The same is not said for <03068> YHWH

The name YAH is recorded over 50 times in the scriptures and has also been replaced by the name "Lord" which we can conclude that the name of the Father is YAH. We see it in "I Am" ("HaYah") that/who ("hu") I Am ("HaYah"),

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
(Isaiah 43:11)


For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
(1 Timothy 4:10)


But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
(2 Timothy 1:10)


God is the only Saviour, Jesus is the Saviour, therefore, Jesus is the true God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7530631


LOL, in Isaiah does speak the Father of Jesus, not Jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7308180


YOU DID A GREAT GREAT JOB TO BRING LIGHT TO THE BLIND BUT THEY WILL NOT SEE. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE UNLEARNED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT. IF THEY HAD READ THE THREAD CAREFULLY AND WITHOUT HAVING PRIDE THE TRUTH WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDERSTOOD.
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Yes, it´s pitiful we have this conversation among Christians after 2000 years of our history.

High probably this is the cause of the coming Tribulation.
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Read John 1 and you will see God and The Word (Jesus) have ALWAYS existed together. In the flesh Jesus said "My Father is greater than I", Jesus always honored and revered God The Father.
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I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
(Isaiah 43:11)


For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
(1 Timothy 4:10)


But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
(2 Timothy 1:10)


God is the only Saviour, Jesus is the Saviour, therefore, Jesus is the true God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7530631


LOL, in Isaiah does speak the Father of Jesus, not Jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7308180


YOU DID A GREAT GREAT JOB TO BRING LIGHT TO THE BLIND BUT THEY WILL NOT SEE. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE UNLEARNED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT. IF THEY HAD READ THE THREAD CAREFULLY AND WITHOUT HAVING PRIDE THE TRUTH WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDERSTOOD.
 Quoting: neim777


Yes, it´s pitiful we have this conversation among Christians after 2000 years of our history.

High probably this is the cause of the coming Tribulation.
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Yes but I understand their dillema and not judge them because I was taught certain things while growing up and it was hard to swallow the truth when Iwas searching for the real God of the bible..I would argue with people who were trying to make me see..I was humbled though and repented of my haughtiness and I started to study the word erasing all the silly things I had held early as truth.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Read John 1 and you will see God and The Word (Jesus) have ALWAYS existed together. In the flesh Jesus said "My Father is greater than I", Jesus always honored and revered God The Father.
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Absolutely


Hebrew Chapter 6
¶ even so likewise Christ honored not himself, that he might be the high priest: but he glorified him that said unto him: thou art my son, this day begat I thee

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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LOL, in Isaiah does speak the Father of Jesus, not Jesus.
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YOU DID A GREAT GREAT JOB TO BRING LIGHT TO THE BLIND BUT THEY WILL NOT SEE. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE UNLEARNED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT. IF THEY HAD READ THE THREAD CAREFULLY AND WITHOUT HAVING PRIDE THE TRUTH WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDERSTOOD.
 Quoting: neim777


Yes, it´s pitiful we have this conversation among Christians after 2000 years of our history.

High probably this is the cause of the coming Tribulation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7308180

Yes but I understand their dillema and not judge them because I was taught certain things while growing up and it was hard to swallow the truth when Iwas searching for the real God of the bible..I would argue with people who were trying to make me see..I was humbled though and repented of my haughtiness and I started to study the word erasing all the silly things I had held early as truth.
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Yes, that´s the plot in most of the cases among believers when one wants know the truth about one´s beliefs. Knowing the Bible well is a good beginning here.

No where the Bible says Jesus is God of the Old Testament nor of the New one.
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YOU DID A GREAT GREAT JOB TO BRING LIGHT TO THE BLIND BUT THEY WILL NOT SEE. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE UNLEARNED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT. IF THEY HAD READ THE THREAD CAREFULLY AND WITHOUT HAVING PRIDE THE TRUTH WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDERSTOOD.
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Yes, it´s pitiful we have this conversation among Christians after 2000 years of our history.

High probably this is the cause of the coming Tribulation.
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Yes but I understand their dillema and not judge them because I was taught certain things while growing up and it was hard to swallow the truth when Iwas searching for the real God of the bible..I would argue with people who were trying to make me see..I was humbled though and repented of my haughtiness and I started to study the word erasing all the silly things I had held early as truth.
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Yes, that´s the plot in most of the cases among believers when one wants know the truth about one´s beliefs. Knowing the Bible well is a good beginning here.

No where the Bible says Jesus is God of the Old Testament nor of the New one.
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Today I call you friend and I call you brother because you are of the truth.I have been honored to meet on this thread and may Hayah's the great I am blessings and his son Y'shayah our savior keep you.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Yes, it´s pitiful we have this conversation among Christians after 2000 years of our history.

High probably this is the cause of the coming Tribulation.
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Yes but I understand their dillema and not judge them because I was taught certain things while growing up and it was hard to swallow the truth when Iwas searching for the real God of the bible..I would argue with people who were trying to make me see..I was humbled though and repented of my haughtiness and I started to study the word erasing all the silly things I had held early as truth.
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Yes, that´s the plot in most of the cases among believers when one wants know the truth about one´s beliefs. Knowing the Bible well is a good beginning here.

No where the Bible says Jesus is God of the Old Testament nor of the New one.
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Today I call you friend and I call you brother because you are of the truth.I have been honored to meet on this thread and may Hayah's the great I am blessings and his son Y'shayah our savior keep you.
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Thank you. I just hope we can become more than two, through the world.

144.000 are needed.
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Yes, it´s pitiful we have this conversation among Christians after 2000 years of our history.

High probably this is the cause of the coming Tribulation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7308180

Yes but I understand their dillema and not judge them because I was taught certain things while growing up and it was hard to swallow the truth when Iwas searching for the real God of the bible..I would argue with people who were trying to make me see..I was humbled though and repented of my haughtiness and I started to study the word erasing all the silly things I had held early as truth.
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Yes, that´s the plot in most of the cases among believers when one wants know the truth about one´s beliefs. Knowing the Bible well is a good beginning here.

No where the Bible says Jesus is God of the Old Testament nor of the New one.
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Today I call you friend and I call you brother because you are of the truth.I have been honored to meet on this thread and may Hayah's the great I am blessings and his son Y'shayah our savior keep you.
 Quoting: neim777


wait!! ~~ what??? are you both saying that Yeshua and YHWH are not one?
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Yes but I understand their dillema and not judge them because I was taught certain things while growing up and it was hard to swallow the truth when Iwas searching for the real God of the bible..I would argue with people who were trying to make me see..I was humbled though and repented of my haughtiness and I started to study the word erasing all the silly things I had held early as truth.
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Yes, that´s the plot in most of the cases among believers when one wants know the truth about one´s beliefs. Knowing the Bible well is a good beginning here.

No where the Bible says Jesus is God of the Old Testament nor of the New one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7308180


Today I call you friend and I call you brother because you are of the truth.I have been honored to meet on this thread and may Hayah's the great I am blessings and his son Y'shayah our savior keep you.
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wait!! ~~ what??? are you both saying that Yeshua and YHWH are not one?
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38For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. John 6

THIS is Oneness with God.
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Yes but I understand their dillema and not judge them because I was taught certain things while growing up and it was hard to swallow the truth when Iwas searching for the real God of the bible..I would argue with people who were trying to make me see..I was humbled though and repented of my haughtiness and I started to study the word erasing all the silly things I had held early as truth.
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Yes, that´s the plot in most of the cases among believers when one wants know the truth about one´s beliefs. Knowing the Bible well is a good beginning here.

No where the Bible says Jesus is God of the Old Testament nor of the New one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7308180


Today I call you friend and I call you brother because you are of the truth.I have been honored to meet on this thread and may Hayah's the great I am blessings and his son Y'shayah our savior keep you.
 Quoting: neim777


wait!! ~~ what??? are you both saying that Yeshua and YHWH are not one?
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If you read the thread you will understnad what we are saying
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Yes, that´s the plot in most of the cases among believers when one wants know the truth about one´s beliefs. Knowing the Bible well is a good beginning here.

No where the Bible says Jesus is God of the Old Testament nor of the New one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7308180


Today I call you friend and I call you brother because you are of the truth.I have been honored to meet on this thread and may Hayah's the great I am blessings and his son Y'shayah our savior keep you.
 Quoting: neim777


wait!! ~~ what??? are you both saying that Yeshua and YHWH are not one?
 Quoting: Shamar



38For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. John 6

THIS is Oneness with God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7308180


THAT IS AGREED UPON SHAMAR WE KNOW THIS!
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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No where the Bible says Jesus is God of the Old Testament nor of the New one.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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you appeared to be agreeing with this statement::

No where the Bible says Jesus is God of the Old Testament nor of the New one.
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He is reffering to the fact that God the father ordained everything through the son whom he gave power...In that context..So please dont jump all over this brother

I am agreeing in the context of the thread not what everybody else turned it into, but that the father must be glorified and identified in prayer and supplication

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/23/2011 09:30 AM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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The Father of Jesus Christ is God of the Old Testament. And most Christians hate Him. True.
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Yep thay dont identify with him no more and its sad..I was laying in my bed this morning and that thought really inspired me to post this
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Agreed........ they don't know the Father......

Hosea 4:6
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The Father of Jesus Christ is God of the Old Testament. And most Christians hate Him. True.
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Yep thay dont identify with him no more and its sad..I was laying in my bed this morning and that thought really inspired me to post this
 Quoting: neim777


Agreed........ they don't know the Father......

Hosea 4:6
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exactly thank you!





Hebrew Chapter 6
¶ even so likewise Christ honored not himself, that he might be the high priest: but he glorified him that said unto him: thou art my son, this day begat I thee
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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