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The Proposal of: Creatio Ex Nihilo - The Big Bang Theory

 
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Hannes Alfvén
...made many contributions to plasma physics, including theories describing the behavior of aurorae, the Van Allen radiation belts, the effect of magnetic storms on the Earth's magnetic field, the terrestrial magnetosphere, and the dynamics of plasmas in the Milky Way galaxy. - Wikipedia

"I was there when Abbe Georges Lemaitre first proposed this theory [Big Bang]. Lemaitre was, at the time, both a member of the Catholic hierarchy and an accomplished scientist. He said in private that this theory was a way to reconcile science with St. Thomas Aquinas' theological dictum of creatio ex nihilo or creation out of nothing.

"There is no rational reason to doubt that the universe has existed indefinitely, for an infinite time. It is only myth that attempts to say how the universe came to be, either four thousand or twenty billion years ago."

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I never new about catholic higher ups being involved in the big bang theory. I always read and understood that God didn't create the universe out of nothing but brought it form. How would the paradigm change if we were in an infinite universe that has always been?
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How did Alfvén account for the expanding universe?
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I never new about catholic higher ups being involved in the big bang theory. I always read and understood that God didn't create the universe out of nothing but brought it form. How would the paradigm change if we were in an infinite universe that has always been?
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Probably the biggest change is that it violates the Laws of Thermodynamics. It would mean that the universe is an open system.
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How did Alfvén account for the expanding universe?
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Klein-Alfvén Cosmology tries to:


".. construct a universe such that: i) It is essentially matter-antimatter symmetric; ii) the Hubble expansion is caused by well-known processes (among them, energy release by annihilation) in a region of 109 light years (a bigger "Big Bang"); iii) it does not contain large quantities of missing mass; and iv) it is highly inhomogeneous and has a cellular structure."[14]

Alfvén further notes:

"..we do not know enough to exclude a Dirac Klein symmetry. On the other hand there is no decisive observational argument in favour of antimatter. (In Chapter VI of Cosmic Plasma this problem is discussed in some detail.) Hence it must be considered legitimate to study the consequences of both hypothesis; the Plasma Universe is symmetric or it consists of exclusively ordinary matter.[15]

[link to www.plasma-universe.com]

He tried a concept called metagalactic. Though it seems that it took a lot of criticism (as expected).
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How did Alfvén account for the expanding universe?
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Klein-Alfvén Cosmology tries to:


".. construct a universe such that: i) It is essentially matter-antimatter symmetric; ii) the Hubble expansion is caused by well-known processes (among them, energy release by annihilation) in a region of 109 light years (a bigger "Big Bang"); iii) it does not contain large quantities of missing mass; and iv) it is highly inhomogeneous and has a cellular structure."[14]

Alfvén further notes:

"..we do not know enough to exclude a Dirac Klein symmetry. On the other hand there is no decisive observational argument in favour of antimatter. (In Chapter VI of Cosmic Plasma this problem is discussed in some detail.) Hence it must be considered legitimate to study the consequences of both hypothesis; the Plasma Universe is symmetric or it consists of exclusively ordinary matter.[15]

[link to www.plasma-universe.com]

He tried a concept called metagalactic. Though it seems that it took a lot of criticism (as expected).
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Neither the "steady-state" nor "expanding" universe theory fully satisfies Swedish Physicist Hannes Alfven. What bothers him is that both ignore the existence of antimatter. "It seems logically unsatisfactory," writes Alfvén in the current Reviews of Modern Physics, "that cosmological theories should be based on the assumption that the universe contains only matter." Recent subatomic-physics research has disclosed the existence of an antiparticle for every particle of ordinary matter, he says, thus there is every reason to assume that half the celestial objects in our universe are made of antimatter.
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Interesting.

It's not so much an assumption that the universe is mostly matter, it's how it looks like.
Scientists have to try to explain the universe as observed, not how they would like it to be.
The universe being 50-50 matter-antimatter would actually make their work a lot easier, the absence of anti-matter still being a bit of a mystery.
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The notions of there being regions of space made up of anti-matter has a distinct 1930ies Science Fiction feel to it, particularly the stories of Edmond Hamilton.
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Interesting.

It's not so much an assumption that the universe is mostly matter, it's how it looks like.
Scientists have to try to explain the universe as observed, not how they would like it to be.
The universe being 50-50 matter-antimatter would actually make their work a lot easier, the absence of anti-matter still being a bit of a mystery.
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The notions of there being regions of space made up of anti-matter has a distinct 1930ies Science Fiction feel to it, particularly the stories of Edmond Hamilton.
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It didn't have to be created, "nothing" does not exist before it. It was already there. Time itself coincides simultaneously with that already there-ness

That is not to say there is no higher level being, and I believe that there is, just beneath the annihilating forces of the most energy concentrated areas of the universe which are forming synaptic neural networks of this higher being, to which we seem like nothing more than blips when it is being itself and we are being ourselves in forming part of some aspect of some function that serves as part of it.

You can call it God if you want. I see this "individual" as the top of the food chain in one symbiogenesis-like interconnected web of universal being. We are even capable of ascending higher within it by adding to ourselves.

There is a higher level being to all of this and it is intergalactic/universal in scope, in its singular totality. Our minds and our language which are based on false binary oppositions create illusions; in reality, light itself is just a layer of ONE thing which exists over all and has many aspects that give rise to the illusion of separation.

Tell me what sight is, tell me what hearing is. These things are just interpretations of aspects of nature held together by the All, something you are related to that manifests in the macrocosm in scope but on closer inspection of the quantum level what we are comprised of is not truly physically apart from it, it behaves like empty space inside our cells as their their lives are maintained, like little solar systems that persist only in infinitesimal durations coming and going.

It's ultimately a part of a singular Universal consciousness. If the cells of your body could think they would say the same thing about themselves and our behaviors would seem almost galactic...cosmic-like in scope.

So out here on the film of a planet stuck in the orbit of a star that makes our planet seem almost insignificant, on our planet that is part of a star system that ultimately ties into the action of the galaxies, do I really dare say we are anything but a pale reflection, but a tiny miraculous aspect of the whole?

You would think we might be "networked in" as conscious entities well enough to get some insight into the fact that this biosphere is just a highly expendable and regenerative/renewable resource for our Sol, just like the passing constituents in the empty space inside the nuclei of the cells that form the organs of our bodies.

The elite are probably not very human though. They probably can't really grasp the implications of what I'm saying here and have some twisted vision of their existence on their minds.

Many of them, because I don't see them making the right choice and whistle-blowing once you get up to a certain level, are obviously brainwashed; It's likely very systematic and foolproof and ranging from a generational upbringing method to later if they are not born into it and cross a certain threshold of secrecy when they are older.

Most of all, they lack conscience.

There are many too who are greatly confused, for they have not encountered their higher nature.

It takes your potential as a human being, the evolved ability to have empathy, to awaken the soul and feel the higher spirit of this star system with the sun and the earth within in; yet, it's so unimportant here and now.

Why is that? I cannot see a major role as it concerns the individual subject for human beings within the heliosphere of Sol, in fact I think that this cycle of life will be reset once Sol goes through the next stage of evolution.

In the next life the intelligent life in this solar system or that which it will feed into will be even more sophisticated.

We are just playing a part in that cycle. We are probably a byproduct of something similar but larger in scope that we cannot directly measure yet.

Are we truly that isolated? What are the implications?

We can't do something backwards to truly advance, so why don't we ask for the new spiritual reality that is being born to find its way into our collective will and then take responsibility for our relationship with Nature in a more humane way than the current NWO crowd would have us do?

Indeed, how can we not?

I'm not too worried about what we do and we may not even get that chance. It may just be time for Sol to scrub us, thanks to the human species taking for granted the sanctity of life here and to the general ignorance of our species.

Many of our greatest endeavors have had unintended consequences.

Perhaps as people we can at least appeal to a higher level of the highest being, to the next layer of the All that is and quit fumbling with the fundamentalist and materialist ideology that pervades our most established areas of communications.

What would be the point, though?

Well, if you are very human, you will want to, as I said take more responsibility for your relationship with the beautiful dark side of Nature. Remember that light is just one aspect of a single entity that is more powerful to us than ourselves, that the entity is part of what we are and what shapes us, and that brightness is an illusion created by the nervous system and mind for sight navigation.

The whole of nature is most fully revealed to me through the one I love the most, and I can't go against that love because I believe that we are all like little cosmic streams and you have to choose which you will piss in or not when realizing that you are forming the metacontent that represents "your" existence beyond life, whatever that may be. I think it is unknown and irrelevant for me to question beyond that.

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“If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. ... We need not wait to see what others do.” -Mahatma Ghandi
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It didn't have to be created, "nothing" does not exist before it. It was already there. Time itself coincides simultaneously with that already there-ness

That is not to say there is no higher level being, and I believe that there is, just beneath the annihilating forces of the most energy concentrated areas of the universe which are forming synaptic neural networks of this higher being, to which we seem like nothing more than blips when it is being itself and we are being ourselves in forming part of some aspect of some function that serves as part of it.

You can call it God if you want. I see this "individual" as the top of the food chain in one symbiogenesis-like interconnected web of universal being. We are even capable of ascending higher within it by adding to ourselves.

There is a higher level being to all of this and it is intergalactic/universal in scope, in its singular totality. Our minds and our language which are based on false binary oppositions create illusions; in reality, light itself is just a layer of ONE thing which exists over all and has many aspects that give rise to the illusion of separation.

Tell me what sight is, tell me what hearing is. These things are just interpretations of aspects of nature held together by the All, something you are related to that manifests in the macrocosm in scope but on closer inspection of the quantum level what we are comprised of is not truly physically apart from it, it behaves like empty space inside our cells as their their lives are maintained, like little solar systems that persist only in infinitesimal durations coming and going.

It's ultimately a part of a singular Universal consciousness. If the cells of your body could think they would say the same thing about themselves and our behaviors would seem almost galactic...cosmic-like in scope.

So out here on the film of a planet stuck in the orbit of a star that makes our planet seem almost insignificant, on our planet that is part of a star system that ultimately ties into the action of the galaxies, do I really dare say we are anything but a pale reflection, but a tiny miraculous aspect of the whole?

You would think we might be "networked in" as conscious entities well enough to get some insight into the fact that this biosphere is just a highly expendable and regenerative/renewable resource for our Sol, just like the passing constituents in the empty space inside the nuclei of the cells that form the organs of our bodies.

The elite are probably not very human though. They probably can't really grasp the implications of what I'm saying here and have some twisted vision of their existence on their minds.

Many of them, because I don't see them making the right choice and whistle-blowing once you get up to a certain level, are obviously brainwashed; It's likely very systematic and foolproof and ranging from a generational upbringing method to later if they are not born into it and cross a certain threshold of secrecy when they are older.

Most of all, they lack conscience.

There are many too who are greatly confused, for they have not encountered their higher nature.

It takes your potential as a human being, the evolved ability to have empathy, to awaken the soul and feel the higher spirit of this star system with the sun and the earth within in; yet, it's so unimportant here and now.

Why is that? I cannot see a major role as it concerns the individual subject for human beings within the heliosphere of Sol, in fact I think that this cycle of life will be reset once Sol goes through the next stage of evolution.

In the next life the intelligent life in this solar system or that which it will feed into will be even more sophisticated.

We are just playing a part in that cycle. We are probably a byproduct of something similar but larger in scope that we cannot directly measure yet.

Are we truly that isolated? What are the implications?

We can't do something backwards to truly advance, so why don't we ask for the new spiritual reality that is being born to find its way into our collective will and then take responsibility for our relationship with Nature in a more humane way than the current NWO crowd would have us do?

Indeed, how can we not?

I'm not too worried about what we do and we may not even get that chance. It may just be time for Sol to scrub us, thanks to the human species taking for granted the sanctity of life here and to the general ignorance of our species.

Many of our greatest endeavors have had unintended consequences.

Perhaps as people we can at least appeal to a higher level of the highest being, to the next layer of the All that is and quit fumbling with the fundamentalist and materialist ideology that pervades our most established areas of communications.

What would be the point, though?

Well, if you are very human, you will want to, as I said take more responsibility for your relationship with the beautiful dark side of Nature. Remember that light is just one aspect of a single entity that is more powerful to us than ourselves, that the entity is part of what we are and what shapes us, and that brightness is an illusion created by the nervous system and mind for sight navigation.

The whole of nature is most fully revealed to me through the one I love the most, and I can't go against that love because I believe that we are all like little cosmic streams and you have to choose which you will piss in or not when realizing that you are forming the metacontent that represents "your" existence beyond life, whatever that may be. I think it is unknown and irrelevant for me to question beyond that.
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Absolutely amazing post.
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It didn't have to be created, "nothing" does not exist before it. It was already there. Time itself coincides simultaneously with that already there-ness

That is not to say there is no higher level being, and I believe that there is, just beneath the annihilating forces of the most energy concentrated areas of the universe which are forming synaptic neural networks of this higher being, to which we seem like nothing more than blips when it is being itself and we are being ourselves in forming part of some aspect of some function that serves as part of it.

You can call it God if you want. I see this "individual" as the top of the food chain in one symbiogenesis-like interconnected web of universal being. We are even capable of ascending higher within it by adding to ourselves.

There is a higher level being to all of this and it is intergalactic/universal in scope, in its singular totality. Our minds and our language which are based on false binary oppositions create illusions; in reality, light itself is just a layer of ONE thing which exists over all and has many aspects that give rise to the illusion of separation.

Tell me what sight is, tell me what hearing is. These things are just interpretations of aspects of nature held together by the All, something you are related to that manifests in the macrocosm in scope but on closer inspection of the quantum level what we are comprised of is not truly physically apart from it, it behaves like empty space inside our cells as their their lives are maintained, like little solar systems that persist only in infinitesimal durations coming and going.

It's ultimately a part of a singular Universal consciousness. If the cells of your body could think they would say the same thing about themselves and our behaviors would seem almost galactic...cosmic-like in scope.

So out here on the film of a planet stuck in the orbit of a star that makes our planet seem almost insignificant, on our planet that is part of a star system that ultimately ties into the action of the galaxies, do I really dare say we are anything but a pale reflection, but a tiny miraculous aspect of the whole?

You would think we might be "networked in" as conscious entities well enough to get some insight into the fact that this biosphere is just a highly expendable and regenerative/renewable resource for our Sol, just like the passing constituents in the empty space inside the nuclei of the cells that form the organs of our bodies.

The elite are probably not very human though. They probably can't really grasp the implications of what I'm saying here and have some twisted vision of their existence on their minds.

Many of them, because I don't see them making the right choice and whistle-blowing once you get up to a certain level, are obviously brainwashed; It's likely very systematic and foolproof and ranging from a generational upbringing method to later if they are not born into it and cross a certain threshold of secrecy when they are older.

Most of all, they lack conscience.

There are many too who are greatly confused, for they have not encountered their higher nature.

It takes your potential as a human being, the evolved ability to have empathy, to awaken the soul and feel the higher spirit of this star system with the sun and the earth within in; yet, it's so unimportant here and now.

Why is that? I cannot see a major role as it concerns the individual subject for human beings within the heliosphere of Sol, in fact I think that this cycle of life will be reset once Sol goes through the next stage of evolution.

In the next life the intelligent life in this solar system or that which it will feed into will be even more sophisticated.

We are just playing a part in that cycle. We are probably a byproduct of something similar but larger in scope that we cannot directly measure yet.

Are we truly that isolated? What are the implications?

We can't do something backwards to truly advance, so why don't we ask for the new spiritual reality that is being born to find its way into our collective will and then take responsibility for our relationship with Nature in a more humane way than the current NWO crowd would have us do?

Indeed, how can we not?

I'm not too worried about what we do and we may not even get that chance. It may just be time for Sol to scrub us, thanks to the human species taking for granted the sanctity of life here and to the general ignorance of our species.

Many of our greatest endeavors have had unintended consequences.

Perhaps as people we can at least appeal to a higher level of the highest being, to the next layer of the All that is and quit fumbling with the fundamentalist and materialist ideology that pervades our most established areas of communications.

What would be the point, though?

Well, if you are very human, you will want to, as I said take more responsibility for your relationship with the beautiful dark side of Nature. Remember that light is just one aspect of a single entity that is more powerful to us than ourselves, that the entity is part of what we are and what shapes us, and that brightness is an illusion created by the nervous system and mind for sight navigation.

The whole of nature is most fully revealed to me through the one I love the most, and I can't go against that love because I believe that we are all like little cosmic streams and you have to choose which you will piss in or not when realizing that you are forming the metacontent that represents "your" existence beyond life, whatever that may be. I think it is unknown and irrelevant for me to question beyond that.
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Every time I read that, I read it as the "Van Halen" belt. :P
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Every time I read that, I read it as the "Van Halen" belt. :P
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lol, that is always in the back of my mind when I read it.
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Hannes Alfvén
...made many contributions to plasma physics, including theories describing the behavior of aurorae, the Van Allen radiation belts, the effect of magnetic storms on the Earth's magnetic field, the terrestrial magnetosphere, and the dynamics of plasmas in the Milky Way galaxy. - Wikipedia

"I was there when Abbe Georges Lemaitre first proposed this theory [Big Bang]. Lemaitre was, at the time, both a member of the Catholic hierarchy and an accomplished scientist. He said in private that this theory was a way to reconcile science with St. Thomas Aquinas' theological dictum of creatio ex nihilo or creation out of nothing.

"There is no rational reason to doubt that the universe has existed indefinitely, for an infinite time. It is only myth that attempts to say how the universe came to be, either four thousand or twenty billion years ago."

- Hannes Alfvén
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If the universe has existed for an infinite time, then it cannot be said to exist "within" time, it must have come from the nothingness outside of time, or in other words ex nihilo.
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Every time I read that, I read it as the "Van Halen" belt. :P
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lol, that is always in the back of my mind when I read it.
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Hannes Alfvén
...made many contributions to plasma physics, including theories describing the behavior of aurorae, the Van Allen radiation belts, the effect of magnetic storms on the Earth's magnetic field, the terrestrial magnetosphere, and the dynamics of plasmas in the Milky Way galaxy. - Wikipedia

"I was there when Abbe Georges Lemaitre first proposed this theory [Big Bang]. Lemaitre was, at the time, both a member of the Catholic hierarchy and an accomplished scientist. He said in private that this theory was a way to reconcile science with St. Thomas Aquinas' theological dictum of creatio ex nihilo or creation out of nothing.

"There is no rational reason to doubt that the universe has existed indefinitely, for an infinite time. It is only myth that attempts to say how the universe came to be, either four thousand or twenty billion years ago."

- Hannes Alfvén
[link to www.tmgnow.com]
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If the universe has existed for an infinite time, then it cannot be said to exist "within" time, it must have come from the nothingness outside of time, or in other words ex nihilo.
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Exactly, to the bold. Time is not a dimension.

To the rest, not so much.

Time is defined as an additional dimension; because it can illustrate the changes within a volumetric scenario in sequential steps. However, time is still merely a standardized metronome, used as an abstract grid which a physical scenario (of motion) can be illustrated within.
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Oh, I had a real good saying for time, and it was very similar to the above. Where did I put it? Give me a sec. I'll track it down.
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haha! I'm so smart. I saved a copy here at work.

Time is the perceived linearity of sequencing events.
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*Makes a formal bow.*
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Hannes Alfvén
...made many contributions to plasma physics, including theories describing the behavior of aurorae, the Van Allen radiation belts, the effect of magnetic storms on the Earth's magnetic field, the terrestrial magnetosphere, and the dynamics of plasmas in the Milky Way galaxy. - Wikipedia

"I was there when Abbe Georges Lemaitre first proposed this theory [Big Bang]. Lemaitre was, at the time, both a member of the Catholic hierarchy and an accomplished scientist. He said in private that this theory was a way to reconcile science with St. Thomas Aquinas' theological dictum of creatio ex nihilo or creation out of nothing.

"There is no rational reason to doubt that the universe has existed indefinitely, for an infinite time. It is only myth that attempts to say how the universe came to be, either four thousand or twenty billion years ago."

- Hannes Alfvén
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If the universe has existed for an infinite time, then it cannot be said to exist "within" time, it must have come from the nothingness outside of time, or in other words ex nihilo.
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Exactly, to the bold. Time is not a dimension.

To the rest, not so much.

Time is defined as an additional dimension; because it can illustrate the changes within a volumetric scenario in sequential steps. However, time is still merely a standardized metronome, used as an abstract grid which a physical scenario (of motion) can be illustrated within.
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Oh, I had a real good saying for time, and it was very similar to the above. Where did I put it? Give me a sec. I'll track it down.
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haha! I'm so smart. I saved a copy here at work.

Time is the perceived linearity of sequencing events.
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While it is true that time, or temporality, is often reduced to spatiality, as argued by Bergson. However, I would argue that Heidegger shows that the meaning of time is bound up with finitude, and our mortality. A time without end or beginning, an infinite or eternal time, cannot be said to be time at all. Therefore, if the universe has existed for an infinite time, it must have been created ex nihilo.
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Re: The Proposal of: Creatio Ex Nihilo - The Big Bang Theory
Hannes Alfvén
...made many contributions to plasma physics, including theories describing the behavior of aurorae, the Van Allen radiation belts, the effect of magnetic storms on the Earth's magnetic field, the terrestrial magnetosphere, and the dynamics of plasmas in the Milky Way galaxy. - Wikipedia

"I was there when Abbe Georges Lemaitre first proposed this theory [Big Bang]. Lemaitre was, at the time, both a member of the Catholic hierarchy and an accomplished scientist. He said in private that this theory was a way to reconcile science with St. Thomas Aquinas' theological dictum of creatio ex nihilo or creation out of nothing.

"There is no rational reason to doubt that the universe has existed indefinitely, for an infinite time. It is only myth that attempts to say how the universe came to be, either four thousand or twenty billion years ago."

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If the universe has existed for an infinite time, then it cannot be said to exist "within" time, it must have come from the nothingness outside of time, or in other words ex nihilo.
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Exactly, to the bold. Time is not a dimension.

To the rest, not so much.

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Oh, I had a real good saying for time, and it was very similar to the above. Where did I put it? Give me a sec. I'll track it down.


haha! I'm so smart. I saved a copy here at work.

Time is the perceived linearity of sequencing events.



While it is true that time, or temporality, is often reduced to spatiality, as argued by Bergson. However, I would argue that Heidegger sh
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the meaning of time is bound up with finitude, and our mortality. A time without end or beginning, an infinite or eternal ti
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to be time at all. Therefore, if the universe has existed for an infinite time, it must have been created ex nihilo.


Understood. Sounds like we just have a philosophical difference on it is all.
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*Makes a formal bow.*
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*bows back*

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