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did congress just say a prayer to Lucifer?

 
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Lutherans are Trinitarian; they confess in the Nicean Creed. They reject the idea that the Father and the Son are merely faces of the same person. "We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal."
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Martin Luther is rolling over in grave. I never thought it would get this bad in my lifetime.
verysad
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Will you explain this?
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I was baptized a Lutheran
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Me too, on the day they celebrate The Lord's Baptism.
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Sol Invictus is satanic....sad that so many choose that path.
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No, he is the rebirth of the Sun. Winter Solstice, The Sun that gives you warmth and light. Without it you would not exist.
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Rebirth occuring on the 25th of December, or three days after the Solstice, Solstice being three days in darkness, so-to-speak


as far as marking one single second or moment in time of the four day period, well do we mark sun rise, or sun set ??
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oops, yes, we do have to wait three days, lol

Just as Jesus waited in the tomb .

And then the birth of light ! On Christmas Day

My birthday is the 23rd. Its called the Day of the UNHEWN STONE.

Sunrise is Horus, Horizon, Sun Set is Set.


:ophiuchuswinter:
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birthdayHAPPY BIRTHDAY APOLLObirthday

red_heartMAY YOUR BIRTHDAY WISH COME TRUE red_heart


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The bright and shining morning star is the sun. Venus is called that too but it's really a planet. Lucifer, or in latin "Lucem ferre" means Light Bearer. It is the planet Venus.
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Saturn has always been "satans planet."

the great storyboard in the skies (constellations) were authored by the Creator to depict in simple visual terminology what was going down, as it did, in the larger sphere

you don't however, worship the canvas or the paint or even the brush in such regard, and if you do you too are barking up the wrong ass tree

at any rate the planet Saturn has recently taken up what's being referred to as "a holding pattern" in the constellation Virgo, the Virgin... the maternal forebear of the Christ

purportedly this "holding pattern" will be kept as such until December of 2012

make of it what you wish and will
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Hi AC,

Please post more. We need you in this forum. You get it.

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PS: Do you read any signs for March-April of 2012 ?
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After Saturn comes Jupiters blessings and wealth. In the stages of limitations and poverty and death , we are supposedly in Saturns intiation, Although originally Saturn is the God of Harvest in paganism.

Saturn is the first initiation.
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No, he is the rebirth of the Sun. Winter Solstice, The Sun that gives you warmth and light. Without it you would not exist.
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Rebirth occuring on the 25th of December, or three days after the Solstice, Solstice being three days in darkness, so-to-speak


as far as marking one single second or moment in time of the four day period, well do we mark sun rise, or sun set ??
 Quoting: Sugarelf


oops, yes, we do have to wait three days, lol

Just as Jesus waited in the tomb .

And then the birth of light ! On Christmas Day

My birthday is the 23rd. Its called the Day of the UNHEWN STONE.

Sunrise is Horus, Horizon, Sun Set is Set.


:ophiuchuswinter:
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birthdayHAPPY BIRTHDAY APOLLObirthday

red_heartMAY YOUR BIRTHDAY WISH COME TRUE red_heart


hf
TT
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Wow, thank you friend ! All are welcome to give me positive karma as a birthday present !

Blessings to you Michael !

Vive Dieu Saint Amour

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Everything that (Lucifer) does is purely logical and nothing is irrational. He does not do anything out of hate, malice or fear. He may use such frequencies of consciousness to manipulate people to serve his higher purposes but everything he does is for a higher good that he believes in. Because all concepts and possibilities exist in the mind of God, Lucifer drew from higher intelligence the possibility of changing the reality of heaven into one where sovereignty is open for all, and decided that he was called for it."
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"This shows the infinite power of the mind. The truth is that higher intelligence did not call Lucifer to change the reality of heaven. The inspiration that he got from the universal consciousness was simply a reflection of his own thoughts. Therefore it is he, himself, that inspired himself using the process of subconscious computation of logical possibilities."

Each of us can be God. Some won't handle it all that well, so we have to have a prison grid put into place. But, some have been enlightened enough already that they will be able to become themselves.
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Yes ! And those enlightened enough, can be allowed to leave the bondage grid and create their own worlds and planets

As those before us have done.

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"Lucifer was God’s second in command until the time came where he questioned God’s sovereignty over all beings. He felt that Christ and himself should be equal because all beings are God. He questioned the hierarchy of the Elohim and decided to change it because he thought the trinity were wrong in perception.

Everything that (Lucifer) does is purely logical and nothing is irrational. He does not do anything out of hate, malice or fear. He may use such frequencies of consciousness to manipulate people to serve his higher purposes but everything he does is for a higher good that he believes in. Because all concepts and possibilities exist in the mind of God, Lucifer drew from higher intelligence the possibility of changing the reality of heaven into one where sovereignty is open for all, and decided that he was called for it."


If Lucifer knocks on your door, and you're scared and won't let him in, he will show you what scared is. If you let him in, he will be a loyal, genuine friend.
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No one should be afraid of the Luciferian Initiation.

Those who wont let him in are still of hate and fear

When he is about freedom and consciousness and light and willing morality

Only those who can be trusted with the keys to KNOW THYSELF will be allowed into the New World.
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"Lucifer was God’s second in command until the time came where he questioned God’s sovereignty over all beings. He felt that Christ and himself should be equal because all beings are God. He questioned the hierarchy of the Elohim and decided to change it because he thought the trinity were wrong in perception.

Everything that (Lucifer) does is purely logical and nothing is irrational. He does not do anything out of hate, malice or fear. He may use such frequencies of consciousness to manipulate people to serve his higher purposes but everything he does is for a higher good that he believes in. Because all concepts and possibilities exist in the mind of God, Lucifer drew from higher intelligence the possibility of changing the reality of heaven into one where sovereignty is open for all, and decided that he was called for it."


If Lucifer knocks on your door, and you're scared and won't let him in, he will show you what scared is. If you let him in, he will be a loyal, genuine friend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1084809


No one should be afraid of the Luciferian Initiation.

Those who wont let him in are still of hate and fear

When he is about freedom and consciousness and light and willing morality

Only those who can be trusted with the keys to KNOW THYSELF will be allowed into the New World.
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Bottom line, fuck Blavatsky and all her new age cronies.
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I have a valid reason to take this comment as a personal insult.

Watch what you say.
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If the truth hat fits, wear it man. I am sorry that you feel insulted, but what I say is the truth. Yes, she wrote some great informational books and a lot of truths were deciminated by her and her followers, but I feel she was a fraud as far as being a chosen one or a channeler for the brotherhood on high.

If she simply knew what she was talking about or was a true initiate, she would have NOT said what she said about the Catholic Church, the Saints, Fathers and Doctors of the Church. This is where I can and she discredits herself with anyone in the KNOW.
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Does it really matter which nonexistent invisible being they pretend to talk to?
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actually yes, because believe it or not
people make DECISIONS on depending on what their FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS are.

so yes, it matters. if they are making decisions and passing laws based on a luciferian principle then that tells you SOMETHING.

social 101
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a winner here! i've been saying this for awhile, if they are following the luciferian doctrine shouldn't we all wake up to whats going on?skulburn
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He's a skinny lil' smirky type. He didn't end the prayer "in Jesus' name" either. Probably a gay minister.
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It's a prayer to the Sun?
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Does it really matter which nonexistent invisible being they pretend to talk to?
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actually yes, because believe it or not
people make DECISIONS on depending on what their FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS are.

so yes, it matters. if they are making decisions and passing laws based on a luciferian principle then that tells you SOMETHING.

social 101
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a winner here! i've been saying this for awhile, if they are following the luciferian doctrine shouldn't we all wake up to whats going on?skulburn
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I was under the impression it was more of a Universal Prayer because of rumors of Alien disclosure being so close at hand?
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CONgress IS Lucifer.
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i didn't hear them praying to LUCIFER.
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If she simply knew what she was talking about or was a true initiate, she would have NOT said what she said about the Catholic Church, the Saints, Fathers and Doctors of the Church. This is where I can and she discredits herself with anyone in the KNOW.
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Look. Until the Catholic starts to truly follow the teachings of Jesus they are really in no position to cast stones.

Too much hypocritical in that organization as in is essential turned into a control structure.
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I think they'll be a lot of trouble between jewish people and Christians until they realize they are the youngest part of God's History. Actually very narrow minded people who only consider the Story of Father Abraham and Immanual.
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No worries friends.

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I have to agree that this is a very strange strange prayer. The references to 'light' in various ways is just OVER THE TOP -- too over the top to be a coincidence.
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The typical, brainwashed Christian has difficulty contemplating this concept.Even Jesus was a Lucifer.

Many Christians also do not know that Vespers/ A Roman Catholic prayer is done as the morning star(Venus aka Hesereous aka Lucifer)appears.

The idea that Lucifer is a demonic entity comes from those who are un-educated in spiritual matters.
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I know all of which you wrote, thank you very much.
Although a Christian I am neither learning impaired, ignorant nor uneducated.

THE IDEA THAT LUCIFER is Satan (a demonic being) IS IN THE BIBLE.
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You are fighting those who are enlightened while you remain in the dark ages.
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You really think you are enlightened? chuckle
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You are fighting those who are enlightened while you remain in the dark ages.
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You really think you are enlightened? chuckle
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Yes, Lucifer is a Latin boys name, Its only negative, nasty, and evil beliefs that slandered it..

BISHOP LUCIFER of Sardinia and the Luciferians , What Ecclesiastical Scandal Immortalized his Name?
BY APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY

How did the Lucifer name get to where it is today? Here is a theory..

Imagine, being a once respected Bishop in the Catholic Ecclesiastical History who watches other sects build up in a changing religious and political scene. Then there appears one sect whose beliefs goes againsts yours. In freedom of speech you open your mouth to state your opinion, only to find your named soon immortalized in History books and equated with the Devil himself !!

This what happened to Bishop Lucifer Calaritanus in the years of 355 in Italy during the reign of Emperor Constantius.

Lucifer Calaritanus was a bishop in Sardinia. right before Jerome ( hired by Pope Damascus) was translating Hebrew text into Latin and the famed Lux Ferre became written within the book of Isaiah. Jerome finished his revisions in 405 AD known as the Latin Vulgate. He was working with the translation of the name Heylel and turned it into Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word "Lucifer" comes from 2 Latin words: Lux (LIght) + Ferous (to carry)

Now what did cause a scandal in those years? The beliefs that Lucifer Calaritanus was against was the teachings of Christian Presbyter Arius from Alexandria Egypt, He believed that Jesus was a created being and not the same as God. In the form of speeches, Lucifer sided with a Bishop in Alexandria wrote to the Emperor complaining of Arianism.

This is what the Bible translator, Jerome was observing during this time, Jerome pratically lived at the hip of Bishop Lucifer and could see this take place.

Here is a list of speeches by Lucifer, showing his growing anger against Emperor Constantius for allowing this sect to flourish,.

Moriundum esse pro Dei filio (It is Necessary to Die for the Son of God)

, De non conveniendo cum haereticis (On not meeting with heretics),

De regibus apostaticis (On apostate kings),

De non parcendo in Deum delinquentibus (On not forgiving those who transgress against God)

and the two books of Quia absentem nemo debet iudicare nec damnare, sive De Athanasio

(That no one ought to be judged or damned while absent, or On Athanasius).

This led to Lucifers excommunication and his exile, for he was likely a thorn in the flesh of the church dealing with all kinds of scisms and ideas already . Lucifer was so over powering in defending the Catholic Orthodoxy that it actually stressed more schisms in the church and backfired ! Jerome the Bible translator who was observing the drama called Lucifers followers, Luciferians ! Not quite what you thought Luciferians to be, eh? Well this is where the term originated.

.Jerome (the Bible translator) discusses Lucifer and his supporters in his polemic Altercatio Luciferiani et orthodoxi ("Altercation of a Luciferian and an Orthodox"), as well as describing Lucifer bishop's in De Viris Illustribus De Viris Illustribus

Veneration

In memory the Church of Cagliari celebrates the Feast of St Lucifer on May 20th. Also a church is dedicated in Lucifer Calaritanus name.

Qoute: The Church of Cagliari celebrated the feast of a Saint Lucifer on the 20th of May. Two Archbishops of Sardinia wrote for and against the sanctity of Lucifer. The Congregation of the Inquisition imposed silence on both parties, and decreed that the veneration of Lucifer should stand as it was. The Bollandists defend this decree of the Congregation ... contending that the Lucifer in question is not the author of the schism, but another Lucifer who suffered martyrdom in the persecution of the Vandals. "

In the end. Lucifer put his support behind the Eustathian party which had unflinchingly stood by the Nicene creed, After a exile, more opposition and arguments after a most likely excommunication.. Lucifer returned to Cagliari, where, according to Jerome the Bible translator., he died in 370.

So who really is memoralized in Isaiah 14:12, A Babylonian King? A Bishop? A Bringer of LIght? Or Satan himself? What a mess, that politics and religion can be.

Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

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No worries friends.

WE ARE ALL ONE !
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Cool. You going to pay my mortgage!
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Friend, you have to go thru the full cycle of Saturn Initiation, before Jupiter takes over. Then your problems will lift.
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No worries friends.

WE ARE ALL ONE !
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Cool. You going to pay my mortgage!
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Friend, you have to go thru the full cycle of Saturn Initiation, before Jupiter takes over. Then your problems will lift.
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No worries friends.

WE ARE ALL ONE !
 Quoting: Apollos Birthday Today !


Cool. You going to pay my mortgage!
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Friend, you have to go thru the full cycle of Saturn Initiation, before Jupiter takes over. Then your problems will lift.
 Quoting: Apollos Birthday Today !


I was only joking of course. I don't even have a mortgage.

What is the Saturn Initiation?
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oops, I thought your Hilos.

Hilos ! Youll make it !

He was having problems earlier, not sure if it was mortgage, but.

Its all the phases of Alchemy. The Saturn Initiation is being under the influence of Saturn and learning hard work, form, structure , Order and even facing death and ones fears

Ill write about it soon when I find some plates detailing the work in the retort.

But generally before one is robed with the Garment of the Illuminati

One meets Saturn first. Its nothing to fear, he is the God of Harvest and he will simply work you under the hot sun until the harvest day.
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prayer in congress offered by reverand michael wilker Lutheran Church of the Reformation. Wash. DC.

let us pray. gracious god, you give us light in the darkness, we praise you for the galaxies stars planets and moon that shine in the night. we bless you for lamps and candles that illumine our communites. we thank you for the fires that warm our homes and energize our work. we repent for the ways we polute the beauty of the night. the ways we extinguish the light of companionship. the ways we fail to share your warmth. enlighten our darkness. be the dayspring for those suffering from addiction and illness. be the bright morning star for those who are greiving. be the sun of justice for those living under oppression and in poverty. be the cleansing fire for those who survive violence and warfare. traveling, send us with you light to share with friends and stranger. welcoming, light our gatherings with you love. searching for justice and peace, light our way. amen.

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Yep. Sure looks that way.

From the NASB
Isaiah 14:12 "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!

From the NKJV
Isaiah 14:12 " How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

Also, they not close the pray in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ (according to above transcript).
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prayer in congress offered by reverand michael wilker Lutheran Church of the Reformation. Wash. DC.

let us pray. gracious god, you give us light in the darkness, we praise you for the galaxies stars planets and moon that shine in the night. we bless you for lamps and candles that illumine our communites. we thank you for the fires that warm our homes and energize our work. we repent for the ways we polute the beauty of the night. the ways we extinguish the light of companionship. the ways we fail to share your warmth. enlighten our darkness. be the dayspring for those suffering from addiction and illness. be the bright morning star for those who are greiving. be the sun of justice for those living under oppression and in poverty. be the cleansing fire for those who survive violence and warfare. traveling, send us with you light to share with friends and stranger. welcoming, light our gatherings with you love. searching for justice and peace, light our way. amen.

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Yep. Sure looks that way.

From the NASB
Isaiah 14:12 "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!

From the NKJV
Isaiah 14:12 " How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

Also, they not close the pray in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ (according to above transcript).
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"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." Revelation 22:16
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if you're deist, all rivers run to the same sea

lucifer and jesus are the statement of dualism, just as dna are combined... these are the things that are very sensibly defined...

they are the same duality of woman and man, day and night, moon and sun, good and evil, on and off, binary to the extreme... existence, non-existence, to be or not to be, hate - love, understanding, confusion... that to me is the orgasm of why we are here.. because, you me, and the garden tree.. none of us truely know.... fucking awesome..... look to binary numbers - on: off: etc...
It's life as we know it, but only just.
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You are fighting those who are enlightened while you remain in the dark ages.
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You really think you are enlightened? chuckle
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Yes, Lucifer is a Latin boys name, Its only negative, nasty, and evil beliefs that slandered it..

BISHOP LUCIFER of Sardinia and the Luciferians , What Ecclesiastical Scandal Immortalized his Name?
BY APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY

How did the Lucifer name get to where it is today? Here is a theory..

Imagine, being a once respected Bishop in the Catholic Ecclesiastical History who watches other sects build up in a changing religious and political scene. Then there appears one sect whose beliefs goes againsts yours. In freedom of speech you open your mouth to state your opinion, only to find your named soon immortalized in History books and equated with the Devil himself !!

This what happened to Bishop Lucifer Calaritanus in the years of 355 in Italy during the reign of Emperor Constantius.

Lucifer Calaritanus was a bishop in Sardinia. right before Jerome ( hired by Pope Damascus) was translating Hebrew text into Latin and the famed Lux Ferre became written within the book of Isaiah. Jerome finished his revisions in 405 AD known as the Latin Vulgate. He was working with the translation of the name Heylel and turned it into Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word "Lucifer" comes from 2 Latin words: Lux (LIght) + Ferous (to carry)

Now what did cause a scandal in those years? The beliefs that Lucifer Calaritanus was against was the teachings of Christian Presbyter Arius from Alexandria Egypt, He believed that Jesus was a created being and not the same as God. In the form of speeches, Lucifer sided with a Bishop in Alexandria wrote to the Emperor complaining of Arianism.

This is what the Bible translator, Jerome was observing during this time, Jerome pratically lived at the hip of Bishop Lucifer and could see this take place.

Here is a list of speeches by Lucifer, showing his growing anger against Emperor Constantius for allowing this sect to flourish,.

Moriundum esse pro Dei filio (It is Necessary to Die for the Son of God)

, De non conveniendo cum haereticis (On not meeting with heretics),

De regibus apostaticis (On apostate kings),

De non parcendo in Deum delinquentibus (On not forgiving those who transgress against God)

and the two books of Quia absentem nemo debet iudicare nec damnare, sive De Athanasio

(That no one ought to be judged or damned while absent, or On Athanasius).

This led to Lucifers excommunication and his exile, for he was likely a thorn in the flesh of the church dealing with all kinds of scisms and ideas already . Lucifer was so over powering in defending the Catholic Orthodoxy that it actually stressed more schisms in the church and backfired ! Jerome the Bible translator who was observing the drama called Lucifers followers, Luciferians ! Not quite what you thought Luciferians to be, eh? Well this is where the term originated.

.Jerome (the Bible translator) discusses Lucifer and his supporters in his polemic Altercatio Luciferiani et orthodoxi ("Altercation of a Luciferian and an Orthodox"), as well as describing Lucifer bishop's in De Viris Illustribus De Viris Illustribus

Veneration

In memory the Church of Cagliari celebrates the Feast of St Lucifer on May 20th. Also a church is dedicated in Lucifer Calaritanus name.

Qoute: The Church of Cagliari celebrated the feast of a Saint Lucifer on the 20th of May. Two Archbishops of Sardinia wrote for and against the sanctity of Lucifer. The Congregation of the Inquisition imposed silence on both parties, and decreed that the veneration of Lucifer should stand as it was. The Bollandists defend this decree of the Congregation ... contending that the Lucifer in question is not the author of the schism, but another Lucifer who suffered martyrdom in the persecution of the Vandals. "

In the end. Lucifer put his support behind the Eustathian party which had unflinchingly stood by the Nicene creed, After a exile, more opposition and arguments after a most likely excommunication.. Lucifer returned to Cagliari, where, according to Jerome the Bible translator., he died in 370.

So who really is memoralized in Isaiah 14:12, A Babylonian King? A Bishop? A Bringer of LIght? Or Satan himself? What a mess, that politics and religion can be.

Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Last Edited by APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY
 Quoting: Apollos Birthday Today !


Nice copy/paste, but that was not what I asked, now did I? rolleyes

Let me rephrase: Do you really consider yourself enlightened?

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oops, I thought your Hilos.
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Apollo check this out

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The 12 Mystical Stages Of Our Spiritual & Physical Evolution

1. Birth: The Gift Of Immortality And Magic

2. Coming Of Age: Puberty - A Preparation For Life

3. Sexual Initiation: The Touch Of Passion

4. Separation From The Feminine: The First Threshold

5. Alliance With The Masculine: The Father Quest

6. The Realization Of Betrayal: The Myth Of Success

7. Mid-Birth: A Spiritual Birth Into Our Power

8. Reconnection With The Feminine: Finding The Lost Pieces Of Self

9. Initiation Into The Truth: Exposing The Mythology of Self Deception

10. Atonement: Forgiving The Sins Of Sun And Moon

11. Spiritual Elderhood: Master And Mistress Of Two Worlds

12. Beyond Reality: Death – The Final Passage
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oooooooooooh.. sounds like a knock on the door and a secret handshake ;).. steps required of course.... shakespeare?... shhhhh.....

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You are fighting those who are enlightened while you remain in the dark ages.
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You really think you are enlightened? chuckle
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Yes, Lucifer is a Latin boys name, Its only negative, nasty, and evil beliefs that slandered it..

BISHOP LUCIFER of Sardinia and the Luciferians , What Ecclesiastical Scandal Immortalized his Name?
BY APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY

How did the Lucifer name get to where it is today? Here is a theory..

Imagine, being a once respected Bishop in the Catholic Ecclesiastical History who watches other sects build up in a changing religious and political scene. Then there appears one sect whose beliefs goes againsts yours. In freedom of speech you open your mouth to state your opinion, only to find your named soon immortalized in History books and equated with the Devil himself !!

This what happened to Bishop Lucifer Calaritanus in the years of 355 in Italy during the reign of Emperor Constantius.

Lucifer Calaritanus was a bishop in Sardinia. right before Jerome ( hired by Pope Damascus) was translating Hebrew text into Latin and the famed Lux Ferre became written within the book of Isaiah. Jerome finished his revisions in 405 AD known as the Latin Vulgate. He was working with the translation of the name Heylel and turned it into Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word "Lucifer" comes from 2 Latin words: Lux (LIght) + Ferous (to carry)

Now what did cause a scandal in those years? The beliefs that Lucifer Calaritanus was against was the teachings of Christian Presbyter Arius from Alexandria Egypt, He believed that Jesus was a created being and not the same as God. In the form of speeches, Lucifer sided with a Bishop in Alexandria wrote to the Emperor complaining of Arianism.

This is what the Bible translator, Jerome was observing during this time, Jerome pratically lived at the hip of Bishop Lucifer and could see this take place.

Here is a list of speeches by Lucifer, showing his growing anger against Emperor Constantius for allowing this sect to flourish,.

Moriundum esse pro Dei filio (It is Necessary to Die for the Son of God)

, De non conveniendo cum haereticis (On not meeting with heretics),

De regibus apostaticis (On apostate kings),

De non parcendo in Deum delinquentibus (On not forgiving those who transgress against God)

and the two books of Quia absentem nemo debet iudicare nec damnare, sive De Athanasio

(That no one ought to be judged or damned while absent, or On Athanasius).

This led to Lucifers excommunication and his exile, for he was likely a thorn in the flesh of the church dealing with all kinds of scisms and ideas already . Lucifer was so over powering in defending the Catholic Orthodoxy that it actually stressed more schisms in the church and backfired ! Jerome the Bible translator who was observing the drama called Lucifers followers, Luciferians ! Not quite what you thought Luciferians to be, eh? Well this is where the term originated.

.Jerome (the Bible translator) discusses Lucifer and his supporters in his polemic Altercatio Luciferiani et orthodoxi ("Altercation of a Luciferian and an Orthodox"), as well as describing Lucifer bishop's in De Viris Illustribus De Viris Illustribus

Veneration

In memory the Church of Cagliari celebrates the Feast of St Lucifer on May 20th. Also a church is dedicated in Lucifer Calaritanus name.

Qoute: The Church of Cagliari celebrated the feast of a Saint Lucifer on the 20th of May. Two Archbishops of Sardinia wrote for and against the sanctity of Lucifer. The Congregation of the Inquisition imposed silence on both parties, and decreed that the veneration of Lucifer should stand as it was. The Bollandists defend this decree of the Congregation ... contending that the Lucifer in question is not the author of the schism, but another Lucifer who suffered martyrdom in the persecution of the Vandals. "

In the end. Lucifer put his support behind the Eustathian party which had unflinchingly stood by the Nicene creed, After a exile, more opposition and arguments after a most likely excommunication.. Lucifer returned to Cagliari, where, according to Jerome the Bible translator., he died in 370.

So who really is memoralized in Isaiah 14:12, A Babylonian King? A Bishop? A Bringer of LIght? Or Satan himself? What a mess, that politics and religion can be.

Isaiah 14:12.

King James version:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer., son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Last Edited by APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY
 Quoting: Apollos Birthday Today !


Nice copy/paste, but that was not what I asked, now did I? rolleyes
 Quoting: Psych


This is MY article. I wrote this, Yes, I had to look up dates and research etc. And inserted some qoutes from three sources Ive used, but its my compilation thru hours of work.

And Ive been a Minister for almost two decades and Theology Schooled
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oops, I thought your Hilos.
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Apollo check this out

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The 12 Mystical Stages Of Our Spiritual & Physical Evolution

1. Birth: The Gift Of Immortality And Magic

2. Coming Of Age: Puberty - A Preparation For Life

3. Sexual Initiation: The Touch Of Passion

4. Separation From The Feminine: The First Threshold

5. Alliance With The Masculine: The Father Quest

6. The Realization Of Betrayal: The Myth Of Success

7. Mid-Birth: A Spiritual Birth Into Our Power

8. Reconnection With The Feminine: Finding The Lost Pieces Of Self

9. Initiation Into The Truth: Exposing The Mythology of Self Deception

10. Atonement: Forgiving The Sins Of Sun And Moon

11. Spiritual Elderhood: Master And Mistress Of Two Worlds

12. Beyond Reality: Death – The Final Passage
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes



Spot on Alex ! Yes, this is what every Order teaches and its pretty much standard,

Its been passed down by Secret Societies for thousands of years

Why do people fight against what simply is? Why fight truth? Its better to know the meaning and cycles of life then ignore it.





GLP