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WHY DO PEOPLE STILL PRAY, IF PRAYER PETITIONS ARE NOT GRANTED?

 
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WHY DO PEOPLE STILL PRAY, IF PRAYER PETITIONS ARE NOT GRANTED?
People of all races and religions, when confronted with situations of great stress, pray to their god for a miracle, with great fervor.
When did this custom of praying to god start? and why is it still done considering it does not work and prayers are never answered?
it seems to be an innate instinct.

I estimate that at least 1 person in 7 prays to god everyday for an urgent need.

that's 1 billion prayers a day.

who is in charge of acknowledging and dealing with all these requests? and on what basis are they granted or declined?
should there be an appeal system in place? whereby if a request is not granted, one can appeal to a higher angel for a review?

are prayers requests granted on the basis of race or religion?

are christians granted more miracles than muslims or buddhist or hindus?

I wish we had better instructions.

Jesus specifically asks us to pray and to ask, in his name, and prayer requests SHALL be granted.
But this was a joke because prayers made in his name are NOT granted.

One would think that small, easy to accommodate requests, such as relief from a sore tooth, would be granted more quickly and copiously, but they are not. I have tried many many time with absolutely no result.

so, does anyone know how one should pray for garanteed results?
MBECCU
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Jesus specifically asks us to pray and to ask, in his name, and prayer requests SHALL be granted.
But this was a joke because prayers made in his name are NOT granted.
 Quoting: Mbeccu

All prayers are answered.......EVERYONE!

Now answer me this OP: Why do you seek to control God?

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Jesus specifically asks us to pray and to ask, in his name, and prayer requests SHALL be granted.
But this was a joke because prayers made in his name are NOT granted.
 Quoting: Mbeccu

All prayers are answered.......EVERYONE!

Now answer me this OP: Why do you seek to control God?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


god is answerable to his creation.
we have rights and he has responsibilities.
the same as we create our children.
they did NOT ask to be born
we , the parents, decided that we want to make children for our own gratification.
(some parents make children as cheap work slaves, some have children so they can be looked after in their old age)
but that does not mean that just because we make children, we can torment, torture and abuse them as we wish.
Children have rights and we have responsibility.

I seek that god would abide by the same fair rules, but he refuses to show his face and give account for his actions.


as for the prayers being answered, they are not.
next time you have a splitting migraine just ask god for a quick relief. you will not yet it.
next time you or one close to you gets cancer, you ask for a miracle of instant healing. You will not get it.
so what is teh point of stressing yourself with praying if prayers are not answered?
MBECCU
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They are answered. Just not always the way we think they should be.
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They are granted for those who have knowledge of the truth.
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god is answerable to his creation.
 Quoting: Mbeccu

LOL......Really? Since when? lol

the same as we create our children.
they did NOT ask to be born
 Quoting: Mbeccu

How do you know THAT? I am told that each and everyone one of us requested to be born!

I seek that god would abide by the same fair rules, but he refuses to show his face and give account for his actions.
 Quoting: Mbeccu

I've seen "God's face"........how is it that YOU have not?

as for the prayers being answered, they are not.
next time you have a splitting migraine just ask god for a quick relief. you will not yet it.
next time you or one close to you gets cancer, you ask for a miracle of instant healing. You will not get it.
 Quoting: Mbeccu

Tell me something: Why should God continue to heal people, when they run right out and do the very thing that made them sick in the first place, all over again?

....And for your information, I have seen many healed of Cancer through prayer! As well; I have even seen "migraines" dissolved away! Where were you when this was taking place? At your local pub???

so what is teh point of stressing yourself with praying if prayers are not answered?
 Quoting: Mbeccu

Stress? What stress??? I find only peace & joy in prayer........and all of mine get answered.......I wonder why YOURS don't?
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god is answerable to his creation.
 Quoting: Mbeccu

LOL......Really? Since when? lol

the same as we create our children.
they did NOT ask to be born
 Quoting: Mbeccu

How do you know THAT? I am told that each and everyone one of us requested to be born!

I seek that god would abide by the same fair rules, but he refuses to show his face and give account for his actions.
 Quoting: Mbeccu

I've seen "God's face"........how is it that YOU have not?

as for the prayers being answered, they are not.
next time you have a splitting migraine just ask god for a quick relief. you will not yet it.
next time you or one close to you gets cancer, you ask for a miracle of instant healing. You will not get it.
 Quoting: Mbeccu

Tell me something: Why should God continue to heal people, when they run right out and do the very thing that made them sick in the first place, all over again?

....And for your information, I have seen many healed of Cancer through prayer! As well; I have even seen "migraines" dissolved away! Where were you when this was taking place? At your local pub???

so what is teh point of stressing yourself with praying if prayers are not answered?
 Quoting: Mbeccu

Stress? What stress??? I find only peace & joy in prayer........and all of mine get answered.......I wonder why YOURS don't?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Since jewish people are Yahweh's favourite people
and christians are Jesus favourite people
and chinese are Buddha's favourite people
and arabs are Allah's favourite people

I am wondering which group of people gets their prayers answered in the affermative (rather than rejection) from their respective god, more so than the other groups?
MBECCU
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Jesus specifically asks us to pray and to ask, in his name, and prayer requests SHALL be granted.
But this was a joke because prayers made in his name are NOT granted.
 Quoting: Mbeccu

All prayers are answered.......EVERYONE!

Now answer me this OP: Why do you seek to control God?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


god is answerable to his creation.
we have rights and he has responsibilities.
the same as we create our children.
they did NOT ask to be born
we , the parents, decided that we want to make children for our own gratification.
(some parents make children as cheap work slaves, some have children so they can be looked after in their old age)
but that does not mean that just because we make children, we can torment, torture and abuse them as we wish.
Children have rights and we have responsibility.

I seek that god would abide by the same fair rules, but he refuses to show his face and give account for his actions.


as for the prayers being answered, they are not.
next time you have a splitting migraine just ask god for a quick relief. you will not yet it.
next time you or one close to you gets cancer, you ask for a miracle of instant healing. You will not get it.
so what is teh point of stressing yourself with praying if prayers are not answered?
 Quoting: Mbeccu


What is the point of you making constant anti-God threads? God doesn't have to PROVE anything to you.

Would you really want God to give you your dream house if He knew that your child would tumble down the stairs and die? You don't want prayers answered...you want wishes granted...and it will not happen. I have seen enough of my prayers answered to know that praying works. I know I can trust that the answers I haven't seen yet are ok behind the scenes, too.
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You cannot petition the fucking lord with prayer.
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prayer, or simply asking, definitely works.

but you must offer something in exchange...

be open to bargain

you see, nothing is for free in this world... and the same rule is valid when you're dealing with gods and higher entities.

the gravest mistake is that humans believe they deserve things for free. you never do, never.
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I don't ask for anything, I found it doesn't work.

Then I realized it's not about asking for stuff, or for outcomes of any kind. It's not about what you want, because God doesn't care about what you want.

Now when I pray it's just an act of submission. Stuff like.. "You're everything, I am nothing. You're great I'm not. I'm not worthy."
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The typical Christian says there are three answers to prayer. Yes, no, and later or maybe. If this were true it would be mathmatically quantifiable. You would take ten thousand sick people and have a group of Christians pray for five thousand. The group of five thousand would heal at a higher percentage than the unprayed for five thousand. Even a small percentage would be measureable and repeatable.

If this were possible Christians would have done this and shoved it in our face many many times already. The fact that they don't and won't give a straight answer as to why they don't is all the information I need. Christianity and prayer is ridiculous superstitous nonsene. Only brainwashed or mentally damaged people still believe in it.
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You have to believe your prayer will be answered.
Your prayer needs to be Gods will not your desire.
I also believe you have to be a Christian for prayers to the Christian God to even be heard.
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Sometimes the answer is no, or not yet.

Sometimes the answer is yes.

Last year I prayed for help getting some new work pants. I had just torn my last good pair of work pants and had no money to replace them.

Less than two hours later I was given 3 pairs of pants, 2 that still had the price tags attached.

I was at a farmers market, somewhere where I wasn't expecting to be given clothes, and someone mentioned that she was on her way to Goodwill and invited us to look through her stuff first.

God does work in mysterious ways.
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You cannot petition the fucking lord with prayer.
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My prayer may not be answered as soon as I'd like or in the exact way that I like but they are answered. It's also a fantastic blessing to me knowing that God listens. It's like having a therapist come to my home.
Thanks, God!!!!
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I don't ask for anything, I found it doesn't work.

Then I realized it's not about asking for stuff, or for outcomes of any kind. It's not about what you want, because God doesn't care about what you want.

Now when I pray it's just an act of submission. Stuff like.. "You're everything, I am nothing. You're great I'm not. I'm not worthy."
 Quoting: JATMON


Do you really think he wants to hear that? By saying things like that you are insulting his creation.
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People of all races and religions, when confronted with situations of great stress, pray to their god for a miracle, with great fervor.
When did this custom of praying to god start? and why is it still done considering it does not work and prayers are never answered?
it seems to be an innate instinct.

I estimate that at least 1 person in 7 prays to god everyday for an urgent need.

that's 1 billion prayers a day.

who is in charge of acknowledging and dealing with all these requests? and on what basis are they granted or declined?
should there be an appeal system in place? whereby if a request is not granted, one can appeal to a higher angel for a review?

are prayers requests granted on the basis of race or religion?

are christians granted more miracles than muslims or buddhist or hindus?

I wish we had better instructions.

Jesus specifically asks us to pray and to ask, in his name, and prayer requests SHALL be granted.
But this was a joke because prayers made in his name are NOT granted.

One would think that small, easy to accommodate requests, such as relief from a sore tooth, would be granted more quickly and copiously, but they are not. I have tried many many time with absolutely no result.

so, does anyone know how one should pray for garanteed results?
 Quoting: Mbeccu


People pray because the have been conditioned to believe it has a chance of working. They also believe they have a chance of winning every time they buy a lottery ticket. Both for the same reason; They heard of someone, somewhere, who got results.

Every once in a while, someone gets something small which just reinforces belief. Half the problems people face would be solved through hard work. The other half could be prepared for by saving the money they spent on lottery tickets...
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Do the TEBOW its cool........ The sheeple will follow anything.
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People of all races and religions, when confronted with situations of great stress, pray to their god for a miracle, with great fervor.
When did this custom of praying to god start? and why is it still done considering it does not work and prayers are never answered?
it seems to be an innate instinct.

I estimate that at least 1 person in 7 prays to god everyday for an urgent need.

that's 1 billion prayers a day.

who is in charge of acknowledging and dealing with all these requests? and on what basis are they granted or declined?
should there be an appeal system in place? whereby if a request is not granted, one can appeal to a higher angel for a review?

are prayers requests granted on the basis of race or religion?

are christians granted more miracles than muslims or buddhist or hindus?

I wish we had better instructions.

Jesus specifically asks us to pray and to ask, in his name, and prayer requests SHALL be granted.
But this was a joke because prayers made in his name are NOT granted.

One would think that small, easy to accommodate requests, such as relief from a sore tooth, would be granted more quickly and copiously, but they are not. I have tried many many time with absolutely no result.

so, does anyone know how one should pray for garanteed results?
 Quoting: Mbeccu


Yes. but not guaranteed. there is a fluidity to the universe that cannot be contained by absolutes. god is much more than standard religions teach and is ultimatley mysterious and unknowable. However you can try this approach. and remember to never pray in desperation because you will receive more situations in which you become desperate. Monitor your thoughts because thoughts are things. thought paired with emotion is/are a very powerful thing.

attraction: thought attracts. use your thought and concentrate it, visualization and immmersing yourself in the thing desired in thought form acts as an imprinter of future events.

intention: the intention behind the thought is what will be answered. be specific. creative infinity will know if it is appropriate or not. all desires are granted whether perceived or not. this takes self knowledge.

allowance: allowing things to happen without you directing them, for the best benefit of all involved, always keeping in mind the prayer.

balance: allowing all to come into balance, allowing the prayer to be answered. thankfulness.

I find that prayer works best in groups with linked hands. it is the power of god moving through each which concentrates the force. God is love never forget it. god is real and is aware of all things, yes, even YOU!.

Open yourself. that's all I got.
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Since jewish people are Yahweh's favourite people
and christians are Jesus favourite people
and chinese are Buddha's favourite people
and arabs are Allah's favourite people

I am wondering which group of people gets their prayers answered in the affermative (rather than rejection) from their respective god, more so than the other groups?
 Quoting: Mbeccu

Just because there are MANY "perceptions" of God, doesn't mean that one group has a monopoly of God's power, over another group!

God doesn't work that way!!!

Your awareness of God within you, is strictly personal.......and "This is Life Eternal, that you might come to know God"!

So the work is YOURS.......or not! :(