Meditations on 2001 A Space Odyssey's "Black Monolith" | |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 5651730 United States 12/25/2011 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thank you! i posted this one other place and while they dug what i was saying they had this to say, and this is my response:: "...then the fact that it has the same effect on the people in the future is something to take into account and means its something greater than just apes evolution into humans or whatever..." I'm saying, through the metaphor of something obvious which cannot go unobserved, symbolizing what drives change, ambition and evolution, it IS the same. The apes go insane to the monolith initially and so does the futurehuman -- the difference is the futurehuman is civilized and represents what the apes started so many years ago by interacting/responding/realizing weaponry and culminated in what we might define as the perfect man -- obviously a personification but nonetheless... the futureman still went insane and Kubrick directly mocks this when the old man is reaching out for the monolith even on his deathbed, when obviously reaching out will not get him any closer to it, as he's confined to his (death)bed. Just as the monkeys responded by going crazy and realizing a bone to be a weapon much like they realized the monolith to be 'something different', the futureman responds by trying to focus as much as possible on the 'unknown difference' (to realize the meaning of life / nirvana / the answer / perfection) until before he knows it he has aged. The way this scene is shot, never directly aging but only seeing it almost like a slideshow, symbolizes how he has no idea how he let himself get away with chasing the impossible for so long. i'm saying that i think it tries to answer the question 'where do we go from here' by looking at where we came from and then analyzing our relationship with something very meta-existence -- Artificial Intelligence (HAL personifying all AI represents) this is something different entirely though: After I wrote my initial post up I really thought of the final scene as how we encounter death, like the newborn alien baby symbolizing the final peace you feel just before passing, and then looking over the earth like you're looking back over memories, but now you can only observe in reserved tranquility rather than act, the ultimate heaven for the human species as we've done so much and that's why I think it's symbolized as a beautifully peaceful golden intelligent fetus rather than something wrought with flaws. it's like a love letter to humanity or something. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 5651730 United States 12/25/2011 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dood the universe is like a tree and we are like branches. Some of us bear fruit and make baby trees from the seeds and some of us are cut off and used as firewood. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432 LOL wait so is this one tree that just gets a few of it's branches cut off for firewood while the fruit-bearing branches are sorta just random kept on with no sense of aesthetics? do they make it so that the tree is divided up evenly, half the branches are fruit-bearing and half is used as firewood, and if so, would they make it so that one side is completely firewood and the other is fruit-bearing? or are there multiple trees? does that mean there are multiple universes? will another universe's fruit bear a tree with seeds that will be blown about in the wind to another universe's tree to intermingle with their seeds? will they have mutant "baby trees"? is this how people were formed? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5331184 United States 12/25/2011 08:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I remember when I was a kid, and I'd sit and look at objects and wonder how it was so straight. I'd look at it from all angles and marvel at it. I'd run my hands across it, ect. So when I saw that scene from 2001 with those apes marveling at the monolith, it was something I could identify with. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7505081 United States 12/25/2011 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thank you! i posted this one other place and while they dug what i was saying they had this to say, and this is my response:: "...then the fact that it has the same effect on the people in the future is something to take into account and means its something greater than just apes evolution into humans or whatever..." I'm saying, through the metaphor of something obvious which cannot go unobserved, symbolizing what drives change, ambition and evolution, it IS the same. The apes go insane to the monolith initially and so does the futurehuman -- the difference is the futurehuman is civilized and represents what the apes started so many years ago by interacting/responding/realizing weaponry and culminated in what we might define as the perfect man -- obviously a personification but nonetheless... the futureman still went insane and Kubrick directly mocks this when the old man is reaching out for the monolith even on his deathbed, when obviously reaching out will not get him any closer to it, as he's confined to his (death)bed. Just as the monkeys responded by going crazy and realizing a bone to be a weapon much like they realized the monolith to be 'something different', the futureman responds by trying to focus as much as possible on the 'unknown difference' (to realize the meaning of life / nirvana / the answer / perfection) until before he knows it he has aged. The way this scene is shot, never directly aging but only seeing it almost like a slideshow, symbolizes how he has no idea how he let himself get away with chasing the impossible for so long. i'm saying that i think it tries to answer the question 'where do we go from here' by looking at where we came from and then analyzing our relationship with something very meta-existence -- Artificial Intelligence (HAL personifying all AI represents) this is something different entirely though: After I wrote my initial post up I really thought of the final scene as how we encounter death, like the newborn alien baby symbolizing the final peace you feel just before passing, and then looking over the earth like you're looking back over memories, but now you can only observe in reserved tranquility rather than act, the ultimate heaven for the human species as we've done so much and that's why I think it's symbolized as a beautifully peaceful golden intelligent fetus rather than something wrought with flaws. it's like a love letter to humanity or something. |
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pur1138 User ID: 4245828 United States 12/25/2011 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | how could a subjective interpretation be bullshit? what, it isn't authentically my opinion? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5651730 HAHA!! Don't fret OP, someone has to do it! Builders and tearers down. Sitters and doers. Thieves and saints. Thinkers and automatons. All part of the incredible Experience. All allowed. All contributing to the Whole. It's All Good. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 5651730 United States 12/26/2011 08:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The other thing is that they said there was a radio frequency pointing towards jupiter, on the moon one. See, I think this confirms the idea of it representing drive, because it's like saying "that's where we want to be, Jupiter", and sure enough that's where the movie ends up going |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7706622 Brazil 12/27/2011 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's already too much meditation about that: Thread: 2001 & 2010 Space Odyssey/TRON UPDATE revelations |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7092995 United States 12/27/2011 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think Arthur Clarke meant for it to be a simple representation. When the early humans found it, it was there to give them the next step in their development. When it was discovered buried on the moon, it was there to give mankind it's next technological advance and discovery. When Dave Bowman encountered it, it was to give the worthy man the next step in spiritual development. The ratios of the size of the monolith are not lost on us - 1 x 4 x 9 The square root of the first three integers 1, 2, 3 ! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5486281 United States 12/27/2011 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like your idea that space itself represents the ultimate black monolith, and that, in fear, we build structures out of light to hide from it. I think we hide from the fact that the Universe is so ridiculously huge, so incomprehensibly big, that we realize we are far less than a grain of sand in comparison to the entire ocean! To quote from another sci-fi work, space truly is the ultimate frontier. Each of us has an innate understanding that that is where we came from, and someday, if we are fortunate, that is where we will return. We are star-stuff, as Carl Sagan wrote. And also I agree with the notion that the monolith represents a complete paradigm shift, not just a jump from one age to another, but a revolutionary explosion that changes everything, from primitive, feral animal to intelligent, tool-making man. And I think we are at a similar threshold, ready to make the jump from intelligent man to something else, something higher, grander, greater in every respect. I believe everyone on this website knows a great change is coming, but has no idea what it is, and just knows it's going to be huge, like primitive primates waking up to find a great, black slab in their midst, and running their shaking fingers over it's cool smoothness. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 5651730 United States 12/27/2011 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great interpretation of '2001', OP. I've been pondering the meaning of this movie since it's release. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5486281 I like your idea that space itself represents the ultimate black monolith, and that, in fear, we build structures out of light to hide from it. I think we hide from the fact that the Universe is so ridiculously huge, so incomprehensibly big, that we realize we are far less than a grain of sand in comparison to the entire ocean! To quote from another sci-fi work, space truly is the ultimate frontier. Each of us has an innate understanding that that is where we came from, and someday, if we are fortunate, that is where we will return. We are star-stuff, as Carl Sagan wrote. And also I agree with the notion that the monolith represents a complete paradigm shift, not just a jump from one age to another, but a revolutionary explosion that changes everything, from primitive, feral animal to intelligent, tool-making man. And I think we are at a similar threshold, ready to make the jump from intelligent man to something else, something higher, grander, greater in every respect. I believe everyone on this website knows a great change is coming, but has no idea what it is, and just knows it's going to be huge, like primitive primates waking up to find a great, black slab in their midst, and running their shaking fingers over it's cool smoothness. Excellent post/response! Love that ending paragraph! Very true! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 5651730 United States 12/27/2011 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the human did not evolve from the ape on this world. If we did there would be no apes. OK. Quoting: Nobody in Particular Regardless the technicalities here, the film was made in 1968 when the theory was much younger. Regardless it's truth or fictitious nature, it's clear Kubrick was using it in the context of the film as part of an allegory for his overall message. I doubt he cares about the specifics of evolution so much as it's ability to illustrate concepts that are hard to describe literally. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7706622 Brazil 12/28/2011 07:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nah, if you care to read the link I wrote you'll understand they indeed created a TETRAHEDRON made of a certain glass that looked too greenish which was very expensive, since it didn't look as well as Kubrick imagined they had to change it and did 14 square monoliths made of wood and painted black with spray, handled with gloves not to insert a single fingerprint and used special chambers. |
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