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The Bible says the regathering of Israel will happen in 2018 not 1948. Israel in the middle east today is a counterfeit!

 
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Was the nation Israel becoming a country in 1948 really the fulfillment of Ezekiel’s prophecy?

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4Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. 5For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. 6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. (Ezekiel 4:4-6)

Many Christians believe Israel is a divine nation of God based on the founding of the nation Israel in 1948 which seems to correspond to Ezekiel’s prophecy. Most historians agree with the fact that Judah was enslaved by the Babylonians for 60 years rather than the necessary 70 that is used to arrive at the 1948 number (Wikipedia). Lets see what happens when we use the number 60 which seems to be more historically accurate…

390 days Judgment against the 10 northern tribes ‘Israel’
+ 40 days Judgment against the 2 southern tribes ‘Judah’
= 430 years Judgment against the nation of Israel

With the northern tribes of Israel having already been taken captive by the Assyrians, in 597 B.C. Judah was also taken into captivity by the Babylonians until 537 B.C. for a grand total of exactly 60 years. (Wikipedia) Instead of the 70 that most use to arrive at the year 1948. We’ll get into where this commonly used 70 number comes from later…

430 years of judgment determined against nation Israel
- 60 years fulfilled during the Babylonian captivity
= 370 years remaining in judgment against the nation of Israel

“And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I (God) will punish you seven times more for your sins.” (Leviticus 26:18)

”And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me, then I (God) also will walk contrary to you in fury; and I, even I will chastise you seven times for your sins.”
(Leviticus 26:27-28)

Surely enough, Judah did not obey God and was forced to endure the 7x multiplier of God’s wraith.

This leaves us with:

370 Remaining years of judgment
x 7 ’7X’ rule
= 2,590 Years of judgment remained against nation Israel

2,590 years
x 360 days
= 932,400 days of judgment remained against nation Israel after the Babylonian captivity

Convert the 932,400 days into our 365.25 day solar (Julian) years.

932,400 days ÷ 365.25 days = 2,552.77 years of God’s judgment remained

597 BCE
+ 60 Years
= 537.3 B.C. Spring of 537 B.C. Cyrus allows jewish people to return to Jerusalem
+ 2552.77 Years Now add the 2,552 years remaining in this judgment
= 2017 A.D. End of judgment against Israel

Click here for the date calculator I used.

2017 A.D seems to be much closer to the date of the real regathering. However I would have been much happier to see 2018, as that correlates to the year that I believe the tribulation will end. I believe that I am one of the witnesses spoken of in Revelation. I was called by God in the 7th month of 2011, which I believe marked the start of the tribulation. 7 years from 2011 would be 2018. The 2017 date obviously is off by a year. Then again those who use the 70 year captivity theory to arrive at the 1948 date were off by 2 years. (Source) Apparently the ancient Hebrews counted portions of a year as one year, with this acknowledged then the 2018 date appears to be valid.

*** I was informed in a dream that my math is wrong, I assume God’s talking about this segment, if anyone has any ideas please let me know in the comments section, EDIT: the math has been corrected and we are one year closer now at 2017, if anyone has any insights that would explain the 1 year difference please let me know***

Now to address the issue of the number 70 and why many Christians use it..

Mystery Babylon the Great will be a nation that lasts 70 years


This is what the LORD says: “When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will come to you and fulfill my good promise to bring you back to this place. 11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 12 Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. 14 I will be found by you,” declares the LORD, “and will bring you back from captivity.[a] I will gather you from all the nations and places where I have banished you,” declares the LORD, “and will bring you back to the place from which I carried you into exile.” (Jeremiah 29:10-14)

This segment of Jeremiah conflicts with the historically accepted 60 year length of Judah’s Babylonian captivity. Could it be that this passage, instead of referring to the length of the upcoming captivity, is instead referring to the duration, the total amount of years, that ancient Babylon would be a superpower?

Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations. Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle. And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years. (Jeremiah 25:9-11)

It seems clear from the context in these two segments that the seventy years applies to Babylon itself, not to the period of time that the people of Judah are to spend in Babylon. In chapter 25 it says that the nations would serve Babylon for 70 years. Again in chapter 29, Jeremiah makes the connection to Babylon by saying that 70 years are “for Babylon”.

So the 70 years refers to the period of Babylonian Empire. When did this start and finish? As alluded to earlier, Babylon was conquered by Cyrus II of Persia in 539 BC. So this is the finish. When was the start? For our purposes, the start would have to be when the other “nations will serve the king of Babylon” (see excerpt from Jeremiah 25 above). The major world power prior to Babylon was Assyria.

For a good overview of the decline of the Assyrian Empire refer to the Encyclopaedia Britannica (see article in Britannica CD 99: The History of Ancient Mesopotamia: Mesopotamia to the end of the: THE NEO-ASSYRIAN EMPIRE (746-609): Decline of the Assyrian empire). Here it describes how the Assyrian empire, after becoming weakened through civil war, fell to the combined forces of the Medes and the Babylonians, finally being extinguished in 609 BC. In this final battle, the Assyrians and the Egyptians fought side-by-side. Prior to being conquered by the Medes and Babylonians, the Egyptians fought against Judah – and Judah lost. This is the battle where Josiah was killed. The chronology of Judah places this event in 608 BC – but that is close enough to 609 BC when a 1 year margin of error is assumed. (BibleWorldHistory)

The very name Mystery Babylon the Great implies that this adulterous nation will have many of the same qualities and characteristics of ancient Babylon. Israel became a nation in 1948. 70 years from this would be 2018. Notice, Jeremiah 29:10-14 uses terminology which has previously been used to describe the tribulation-era regathering of both kingdom’s of Israel… “I will gather you from all the nations and places where I have banished you“, meaning that this is also talking about the great regathering of both kingdoms that happens during the tribulation. This passage is stating that when Mystery Babylon the Great’s 70 years are complete then the regathering will begin. Israel was founded in 1948. 70 years from that date would be 2018! Obviously this just about corresponds to the 2017 date that we came to earlier using the more accurate 60 year Babylonian captivity.

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How is Satan going to deceive scrupulous Bible savvy Christians who are watchful and weary of any moves towards a one world government? These Christians know that the Bible warns about a Satanic End Times kingdom and they would cause an uproar at the formation of such. Satan therefore must disarm these Christians. He must create a puppet Illuminati organization which presides over the creation of this supposed New World Order, he will create a counterfeit of all the major prophecies in Revelation, a counterfeit regathering of Israel, a mark of the beast, New World Order, Mystery Babylon the Great etc.

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Also most historians agree with the fact that Judah was enslaved by the Babylonians for 60 years rather than the necessary 70 that is used to arrive at the 1948 number (Wikipedia). Also why would you use the number 70, a number that is symbolic of completeness, when we know that Judah’s punishment was not completed because they were punished 7x more for their sins.
How is Satan going to deceive scrupulous Bible savvy Christians who are watchful and weary of any moves towards a one world government? These Christians know that the Bible warns about a Satanic End Times kingdom and they would cause an uproar at the formation of such. Satan therefore must disarm these Christians. He must create a puppet Illuminati organization which presides over the creation of this supposed New World Order, he will create a counterfeit of all the major prophecies in Revelation, a counterfeit regathering of Israel, a mark of the beast, New World Order, Mystery Babylon the Great etc.

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How is Satan going to deceive scrupulous Bible savvy Christians who are watchful and weary of any moves towards a one world government? These Christians know that the Bible warns about a Satanic End Times kingdom and they would cause an uproar at the formation of such. Satan therefore must disarm these Christians. He must create a puppet Illuminati organization which presides over the creation of this supposed New World Order, he will create a counterfeit of all the major prophecies in Revelation, a counterfeit regathering of Israel, a mark of the beast, New World Order, Mystery Babylon the Great etc.

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Shalom Ahki.

You might just be onto something here.

We will see.

YHVH's/YaHWeH's Feasts will be coinciding with some heavenly anomalies in the very near future.

Shabbat Shalom,

Eliyah Ben Yisraelo
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Also why would you use the number 70 when they were punished 7x more more their sins. 70 is a number symbolic of completion. OBviously they did not complete their punishment or they would not have been punished 7x more for their sins. 60 number is what most Historians agree with anyway

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When Babylon is destroyed, the sins of the house of Judah and the house of Israel will be pardoned, the exile will be over and at long last the house of Judah and the house of Israel will be restored. (Jeremiah 50:20).

The Bible mentions only one post Yeshua regathering. Mainstream Christians seemingly believe that the 1948 gathering was in prophecy, but also believe there will be another gathering that has not happened yet. Where do these Christians find the evidence for two? The great regathering to the promised land which will reunite Israel and Judah will not happen until during the tribulation (Jeremiah 50:2-5, Jeremiah 30:7-10) after Mystery Babylon the Great is destroyed (Jeremiah 50:20, Jeremiah 50:2-5). Obviously the tribulation has not happened yet. The regathering corresponds to the second coming of Yeshua and the tribulation (Jeremiah 23:3-6, Romans 9:25-28, Isaiah 10:20–23). Also the Bible states that Yeshua will be the one who regathers (Jeremiah 31:10), not the United Nations. God said he would destroy the nations from which the Israelites were scattered. Why hasn’t God destroyed Europe, if the nation Israel, in the middle east, is really a nation of God? Why would God destroy Christian nations when he himself says that Judaism is an antichrist religion? (1 John 2:22)

If Israel becoming a nation in 1948 was really the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy then why wasn’t the kingdom of Israel gathered with the kingdom of Judah? The regathering prophecy requires the gathering together of ALL of Jacob / Israel (Hosea 1:10-11, Micah 2:12.) All twelve tribes, both kingdoms, Israel and Judah will need to have been gathered to the promised land. If you are a Christian who believes the Bible is divinely inspired, then you must admit that the gathering that happened in 1948 is not the real gathering that is spoken of in prophecy. The northern Kingdom of Israel, was taken into captivity by the Assyrians in 722 B.C. These Lost Tribes of Israel lost their identity and their religion. They were worshiping Pagan Gods and they did not realize they were Israelites. Yeshua told his apostles to “preach only unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 10:5-6.) Therefore at the time Yeshua was preaching, these Lost Tribes of Israel, were still lost and still pagan, and only a short while away from converting to Christianity in mass. As said before, God said he would regather ALL of Israel, while the kingdom of Judah denied Yeshua, the Kingdom of Israel, the Lost Tribes, embraced Yeshua and Christianity spread throughout the kingdom of Israel. So obviously, when Israel became a nation in 1948, only the Jewish kingdom of Judah was gathered, and not the lost tribe Christian kingdom of Israel, therefore the prophecies were never fulfilled.

Furthermore the Bible states clearly that Judah and Israel will call on God during the tribulation. The only way to call on God is through the son (John 14:6.) Judah therefore must convert to Christianity during the tribulation or their calls and prayers could not be answered. When the real regathering happens it will include the remnant of both kingdoms each having embraced Yeshua as messiah.

God promised that Israel would never be attacked or have their land threatened on any of the three annual feast days (Exodus 34:22-24). Each time that ancient Israel was attacked on a feast day signified that it had broken the covenant with God. The historian Josephus, according to Don Preston in Countdown to Nowhere, argues that Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem during the feast of Pentecost in 586 B.C. He also points out that the Romans also destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D during the Pentecost. The modern nation of Israel was attacked on the Passover on 3/27/2002. Signifying that the nation of Israel is an abomination to God.

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How is Satan going to deceive scrupulous Bible savvy Christians who are watchful and weary of any moves towards a one world government? These Christians know that the Bible warns about a Satanic End Times kingdom and they would cause an uproar at the formation of such. Satan therefore must disarm these Christians. He must create a puppet Illuminati organization which presides over the creation of this supposed New World Order, he will create a counterfeit of all the major prophecies in Revelation, a counterfeit regathering of Israel, a mark of the beast, New World Order, Mystery Babylon the Great etc.

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Shalom Ahki.

You might just be onto something here.

We will see.

YHVH's/YaHWeH's Feasts will be coinciding with some heavenly anomalies in the very near future.

Shabbat Shalom,

Eliyah Ben Yisraelo
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God bless
How is Satan going to deceive scrupulous Bible savvy Christians who are watchful and weary of any moves towards a one world government? These Christians know that the Bible warns about a Satanic End Times kingdom and they would cause an uproar at the formation of such. Satan therefore must disarm these Christians. He must create a puppet Illuminati organization which presides over the creation of this supposed New World Order, he will create a counterfeit of all the major prophecies in Revelation, a counterfeit regathering of Israel, a mark of the beast, New World Order, Mystery Babylon the Great etc.

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Very good interpretation here, brother.

Interestingly, independent eschatological calculations also agree with your timeframe of 2017.

The nation Israel at the moment is still the Synagogue of Satan, and part of the great Deception of our times.

Satan has a very short timeframe left to destroy mankind, but will fail to destroy the bride of Christ, the true Church.

Sinners, flee to the Saviour.
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Very good interpretation here, brother.

Interestingly, independent eschatological calculations also agree with your timeframe of 2017.

The nation Israel at the moment is still the Synagogue of Satan, and part of the great Deception of our times.

Satan has a very short timeframe left to destroy mankind, but will fail to destroy the bride of Christ, the true Church.

Sinners, flee to the Saviour.
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Yup, whats really crazy is that its almost pointless to warn most Christians about the synagogue of Satan. I've been banned from pretty much all of the big Christian forums for posting info like this. I hate to say it but sometimes its like debating with a brick wall.

Very frustrating.

Conspiracy sites seem a much better place to spread information the people are just more open minded.

Take care and God bless.

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How is Satan going to deceive scrupulous Bible savvy Christians who are watchful and weary of any moves towards a one world government? These Christians know that the Bible warns about a Satanic End Times kingdom and they would cause an uproar at the formation of such. Satan therefore must disarm these Christians. He must create a puppet Illuminati organization which presides over the creation of this supposed New World Order, he will create a counterfeit of all the major prophecies in Revelation, a counterfeit regathering of Israel, a mark of the beast, New World Order, Mystery Babylon the Great etc.

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all i know is the fact that many Hasid,orthodox etc
are still waiting for Messiah to restore Israel
and Israel was NOT to be a man made entity.
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Opie do you run that website you linked that matches your username?

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& If So, you know the Name Israel means those who wrestle with God

So literal Israel could be literally Anybody who trusts in God.

Please Read the Book of Isaiah God warns the Jewish people He would leave them completely and guide the gentiles who would be a light for the whole world.

When The Bible States: Salvation is of The jewish people I believe he is talking about Keeping God's Holy Law, which the Jewish People still keep.(The Papacy attempted a Change)Times & Laws!

The Jewish Bankers and Politicians work for the Vatican & The Vatican wants Israel + the rest of the World.

666 Is a The Roman Gods Total Number, there are too many co-incidences with the Number 666 and the Papacy.
(None with Israel though)

The Vatican Called for a Central World Bank, think they will hand it to Israel? Or use it to create the Mark of the Beast?

Israel is off the Hook, the Beast of the Seas is the Vatican!
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Opie do you run that website you linked that matches your username?

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& If So, you know the Name Israel means those who wrestle with God

So literal Israel could be literally Anybody who trusts in God.

Please Read the Book of Isaiah God warns the Jewish people He would leave them completely and guide the gentiles who would be a light for the whole world.

When The Bible States: Salvation is of The jewish people I believe he is talking about Keeping God's Holy Law, which the Jewish People still keep.(The Papacy attempted a Change)Times & Laws!

The Jewish Bankers and Politicians work for the Vatican & The Vatican wants Israel + the rest of the World.

666 Is a The Roman Gods Total Number, there are too many co-incidences with the Number 666 and the Papacy.
(None with Israel though)

The Vatican Called for a Central World Bank, think they will hand it to Israel? Or use it to create the Mark of the Beast?

Israel is off the Hook, the Beast of the Seas is the Vatican!
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The Vatican's central bank is controlled by the Rothschilds and has been for some times. The whole Catholic church is controlled by jewish people. Check out the book "Plot Against the Church." The Jesuit order was founded by marrano jewish people.

Satan is a counterfeiter. He has created a framework of counterfeits for all the prophecies in revelation. Satan is planting evidence to make it look like The Vatican is Mystery Babylon the Great. Thats why there are so many coincidences with the number 666.

The mark of the beast prophecy is written in revelation which is symbolic.

The mark of the beast is symbolic.
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So to count the number of the "name" of the beast is symbolic.

We must look within the Bible to see what "name" is symbolic of.

God’s name is his word. God’s word will be imprinted within the minds of his elect.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (Revelation 19:13)

God’s mark is obeying his commandments.

Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it: That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son’s son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged. Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey. (Deuteronomy 6:1-3)

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates. (Deuteronomy 6:4-9)

Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. (Deuteronomy 11:18)

Keeping the commandments is a figurative mark or sign that goes on the hand and between the eyes. The forehead is symbolic of your beliefs, your faith, and your mind. While your hand represents your actions and deeds.

I will lift up my hands toward your commandments, which I love, and I will meditate on your statutes. (Psalm 119:48)

Keeping God’s days of worship are part of this law.

Then Moses said to the people, “Commemorate this day, the day you came out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery, because the Lord brought you out of it with a mighty hand. Eat nothing containing yeast. Today, in the month of Abib, you are leaving. When the Lord brings you into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Hivites and Jebusites—the land he swore to your forefathers to give you, a land flowing with milk and honey—you are to observe this ceremony in this month: For seven days eat bread made without yeast and on the seventh day hold a festival to the Lord. Eat unleavened bread during those seven days; nothing with yeast in it is to be seen among you, nor shall any yeast be seen anywhere within your borders. On that day tell your son, ‘I do this because of what the Lord did for me when I came out of Egypt.’ This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that the law of the Lord is to be on your lips. For the Lord brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand. You must keep this ordinance at the appointed time year after year. (Exodus 13:3-10)

God’s mark is having vital spiritual truth’s (oil or God’s word) in the mind (lamp or forehead).

Then the Kingdom of Heaven will be like ten virgins, who took their lamps, and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. Those who were foolish, when they took their lamps, took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. Now while the bridegroom delayed, they all slumbered and slept. But at midnight there was a cry, “Behold! The bridegroom is coming! Come out to meet him!” Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. The foolish said to the wise, “Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.” But the wise answered, saying, “What if there isn’t enough for us and you? You go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.” While they went away to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. Afterward the other virgins also came, saying, “Lord, Lord, open to us.” But he answered, “Most certainly I tell you, I don’t know you.” Watch therefore, for you don’t know the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming. (Matthew 25:1-13)

God’s law is said to be something that is sealed upon his disciples.

Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. (Isaiah 8:16)

God’s elect are said to be ‘sealed’ as well. God’s elect are sealed by keeping God’s laws.

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. (Revelation 7:4)

The Church of Philadelphia represents God’s elect. It seems that keeping God’s commandments is what sets this church apart.

I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and has not denied my name (Revelation 3:8)

The sealing of God’s name upon his elect is God’s mark. God’s elect are sealed with vital spiritual information. They are obedient and follow God’s laws.
Beast’s mark

Like God’s seal on the foreheads of the elect (Rev 7:3, Rev 14:1, Rev 9:4), The Mark of the Beast will also be a figurative mark. The Mark of the Beast vs God’s mark is ultimately symbolic of who’s image or semblance you take after. The Mark of the Beast is the antithesis to the mark of Christ and is symbolic of worship, of allegiance of the beast, and also of disobedience to God’s laws. The Mark of the Beast is conforming to the image of “the man of lawlessness” (2 Thessalonians 2:3).

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (Revelation 13:16-17)

The name of God represents God’s word or his Torah (Revelation 19:13). Therefore the name of the beast is the beast’s word, the beast’s commandments and the beast’s laws.

The Mark of the Beast is disobedience towards God’s laws.

in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: (Ephesians 2:2)

The little horn shall try and change times and laws.

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (Daniel 7:25)



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Anyways here's an idea I had throwing around

So to count the number of the "name" of the beast one must consider that name is symbolic of the "word" (God's word or the beasts word).

The word of the beast is the word of the end times kingdom I'd assume. Perhaps we will need to use gematria (assumedly) on the beasts (kingdoms) word. Like a slogan of the End Times kingdom. Think of a Nazi slogan or Soviet slogan that summarizes the beliefs and rules of the philosophy of this End Times kingdom. Or like Aleister Crowely's "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"

Use gematria on that slogan and perhaps if it adds up to 666 then we have solved the puzzle?

I'm not sure as of yet though the above is just speculation.
How is Satan going to deceive scrupulous Bible savvy Christians who are watchful and weary of any moves towards a one world government? These Christians know that the Bible warns about a Satanic End Times kingdom and they would cause an uproar at the formation of such. Satan therefore must disarm these Christians. He must create a puppet Illuminati organization which presides over the creation of this supposed New World Order, he will create a counterfeit of all the major prophecies in Revelation, a counterfeit regathering of Israel, a mark of the beast, New World Order, Mystery Babylon the Great etc.

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They all appear as heads of the same beast to my eyes.
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...and after Mystery Babylon is destroyed:

Revelation 18:11 - And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Israel isn't exactly the world's port of trade.

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...and after Mystery Babylon is destroyed:

Revelation 18:11 - And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Israel isn't exactly the world's port of trade.

If the description doesn't fit, you must acquit.
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Israel's an exporting superpower

“As Israel celebrates 63 years of being an independent state, it turns out that it is an export superpower.

According to figures published on Tuesday by the Israel Export Institute and presented by the Globes financial news paper, since its establishment in 1948 Israel has multiplied the volume of goods it exports to the world by an astonishing 13,400.

The figures also show that Israel has gone from exporting a “modest” amount of about $6 million in 1948 to exporting no less than $80.5 billion in 2010.”
(Israel an Export Superpower)

Vatican City is not located on the Sea and far from being an economic superpower, its economy is based on medals, stamps, and tourist mementos. With a population of less than 1000 its no surprise that Vatican City is not a major exporting nation.


Mystery Babylon the Great is a nation that is surrounded by thick walls

Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The broad walls of Babylon shall be utterly broken, and her high gates shall be burned with fire; and the people shall labour in vain, and the folk in the fire, and they shall be weary. (Jeremiah 51:58)

The Israeli West Bank barrier is a separation barrier being constructed by the State of Israel along and within the West Bank. Upon completion, the barrier’s total length will be approximately 760 kilometres (470 mi) (twice the length of the 1949 Armistice Line (Green Line) between the West Bank and Israel). The barrier is a fence with vehicle-barrier trenches surrounded by an on average 60 metres (200 ft) wide exclusion area (90% of its length), and an 8 metres (26 ft) tall concrete wall (10% of its length) The barrier is built mainly in the West Bank and partly along the 1949 Armistice line, or “Green Line” between Israel and Palestinian West Bank. 12% of the West Bank area is on the Israel side of the barrier. (Wikipedia)

Vatican City also is surrounded by walls.

Mystery Babylon the Great is an Incredibly Unpopular Nation


The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. (Revelation 17:16).

“A poll conducted by the BBC revealed Tuesday that Israel is one of the most negatively viewed countries in the world, ranking at the bottom of the chart along with Iran, North Korea and Pakistan.” (Source)

Not surprisingly, the only people who really hate the Vatican are Christian Zionists who have been deceived by Satan into believing his fake counterfeit is the real Mystery Babylon the Great.

Mystery Babylon the Great is a rich Church


O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy covetousness. (Jeremiah 51:13)

Mayer Amschel Rothschild was able to dominate the banking scene in Europe by sending his 5 sons to become banking oligarchs in each respective city that they settled in.

Amschel Mayer Rothschild (1773–1855): Frankfurt
Salomon Mayer Rothschild (1774–1855): Vienna
Nathan Mayer Rothschild (1777–1836): London
Calmann Mayer Rothschild (1788–1855): Naples
Jakob Mayer Rothschild (1792–1868): Paris
(Wikipedia)

“jewish people make up only 2% of the total U.S. population, yet 45% of the top 40 of the Forbes 400 richest Americans are Jewish“
(Steven Silbiger, Author Of The Jewish Phenomenon)

“Five of Britain’s ten richest people are Jewish, according to this year’s Sunday Times Rich List.” (The Jewish Chronicle, April 30, 2009)

“Of the seven oligarchs who controlled 50% of Russia’s economy during the 1990s, six were Jewish: Berezovsky, Vladimir Guzinsky, Alexander Smolensky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Mikhail Friedman and Valery Malkin.” (Guardian)

The Vatican does have a powerful bank but guess who controls it…

“…It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure.”
(The Jewish Encyclopedia 1901-1906, Vol. 2, p.497, The Union Générale.)

Mystery Babylon the Great will deal in the precious stones business


And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls (Revelation 18:11-12)

“Diamonds are Israel’s number one export commodity, accounting for between one quarter and one third of Israeli exports. In 2008, diamond exports were valued at $19.4 billion with a net value of approximately $10 billion — far exceeding even the gross value of electronic or pharmaceutical exports.”
(ElectronicIntifada)

“Israel has long been a leader in diamond exports, according to the report. Since the founding of the state, Israel’s diamond exports have multiplied by 3,190. While in the early years of statehood the scope of diamond exports from Israel to the world stood at about $2.8 million, in 2010 exports amounted to approximately $8.9 billion.

The diamond market was never truly decentralized in the way a typical commodity market is (and in fact, the significant variations in diamond grade and quality mean that they are not, technically, a commodity.) Rather, the prominence of Jewish merchants in the sale and transportation of diamonds placed the market under control of an informal network of Jewish families that sprung up during the 1800′s. The numerous jewelers and diamond trading firms were typically linked by family relation, forming a bond so tight that for centuries, diamonds were almost entirely a Jewish business. Presently, the city of Antwerp, Belgium is known as the ‘World’s Diamond Capital’, and the diamond trade is largely dominated by the city’s large Hasidic Jewish population — as it has been since around World War II.” (The History of the Diamond Trade)

“The syndicate in London to which Rhodes contracted to sell De Beers’ entire production of diamonds in 1893 was made up of ten firms. These were Wernher, Beit & Company, Barnato Brothers, Mosenthal Sons & Company, A. Dunkelsbuhler, Joseph Brothers, I. Cohen & Company, Martin Lilienfeld & Company, F. F. Gervers, S. Neumann, and Feldheimer & Company. All these firms were interconnected by marriage and family ties, and all were owned by Jewish merchants. The fact that Jewish companies completely dominated the distribution of diamonds at the end of the nineteenth century was not particularly surprising. For a thousand years, diamonds had been almost entirely a Jewish business.” (The Diamond Invention)

Vatican City doesn’t have any major dealings in the precious stones business. (Wikipedia)

Mystery Babylon the Great will be a nation that will traffic in human slavery

She also bought cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, frankincense, wine, olive oil, fine flour, wheat, cattle, sheep, horses, chariots, and bodies–that is, human slaves. (Revelation 18:13)

White Sex Slaves“Women trafficked from Eastern Europe, were stripped and sold naked as slaves to Tel Aviv traders for US$500-1,000. Smuggling, fraudulent documents, collaboration between police and brothel owners are involved. There are routine brutal beatings and sexual abuse.” (New York Times 11 January 1998)

“White slave trade now earns US$1 billion annually in Israel.There are an estimated 20,000 female sex slaves forced into prostitution in Tel-Aviv each year. According to a report released in 2005 by the Knesset Subcommittee on Trafficking in Women, between 10,000 and 15,000 women had been smuggled into Israel over the previous four years to work as prostitutes. According to the report, the women, who were mostly from the former Soviet Union, were sold at public auction for as much as $10,000 and forced to work up to 18 hours a day. On average, the women received only three percent of the money they earned from prostitution, and many were raped and beaten. Most of the women had been smuggled over the Egyptian border and lured from Russia and Eastern Europe on false promises of secretarial jobs.”
(Worldwide Lack of Concern Over Israel’s White Slave Trade)

“Police in Israel say they are powerless to stop the flow of trafficked women until the laws change. “They (trafficked women) are very much afraid to come to the police and complain, so the police really can’t do anything,” said spokeswoman Linda Menuhin. “The problem is there is no law against trafficking people, and no law against prostitution.” Rachel Benziman, legal adviser to the Israel Women’s Network, said there are a variety of crimes — rape, abduction, battery, deceit and theft — which the authorities rarely bother to prosecute for, even though they have the power to do so. “It’s not a problem of finding the right section in the criminal code. It is more a problem of finding the women who will testify and finding the motivation. When it comes to drug dealing, the police don’t wait for someone to come into their office and say they have found drugs. They look for it. We expect them to do the same thing for the trafficking of women — but they don’t,” she said.” (Elisabeth Eaves, “Israel not the promised land for Russian sex slaves,” Reuters, 23 August 1998)

“Men pay for 25,000 acts of prostitution every day. There are 250,000 foreign male workers who help create a demand for prostituted women. Women are held in apartments, bars and brothels where they are bought by up to 15 men a day. They sleep in shifts, four to a bed.” (Police officials, Michael Specter, “Traffickers’ New Cargo: Naive Slavic Women,” New York Times, 11 January 1998)

“Ringleaders forced hundreds of Russian, Ukrainian, Moldovan, Belorussian, and Uzbek women into prostitution” (Court convicts 4 Israelis of heading international human trafficking ring.) link

It should now be apparent why Jerusalem was compared to Sodom and Egypt in Revelation. Judge them by their fruits…
How is Satan going to deceive scrupulous Bible savvy Christians who are watchful and weary of any moves towards a one world government? These Christians know that the Bible warns about a Satanic End Times kingdom and they would cause an uproar at the formation of such. Satan therefore must disarm these Christians. He must create a puppet Illuminati organization which presides over the creation of this supposed New World Order, he will create a counterfeit of all the major prophecies in Revelation, a counterfeit regathering of Israel, a mark of the beast, New World Order, Mystery Babylon the Great etc.

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Mystery Babylon the Great will be a nation that manufactures and exports tanks

She also bought cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, frankincense, wine, olive oil, fine flour, wheat, cattle, sheep, horses, chariots, and bodies–that is, human slaves. (Revelation 18:13)

The modern day equivalent of a chariot of war would be a tank.

“The Merkava is a main battle tank used by the Israel Defense Forces. The tank began development in 1973 and entered active service in 1978. Four main versions of the tank have been deployed. It was first used extensively in the 1982 Lebanon War. The “Merkava” name was derived from the IDF’s initial development program name.” (Wikipedia)

“At an arms trade fair in Paris this week, Israel showed the world’s military shoppers fruits of its high-tech arms industry, including its Merkava tank, unmanned spy planes and the planet’s most sophisticated missile defense system.

With its tourist industry all but shuttered by a 21-month Palestinian uprising and high-tech in a slump, the Jewish state depends deeply on the foreign currency earnings of its weapons industry, now the world’s 10th largest.” (Associated Press)

The Vatican does not manufacture tanks.

Mystery Babylon the Great will be an agricultural nation


And cinnamon, and odors, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves and souls of men. (Revelation 18:13)

Agriculture in Israel is a highly developed industry: Israel is a major exporter of fresh produce and a world-leader in agricultural technologies despite the fact that the geography of Israel is not naturally conducive to agriculture. More than half of the land area is desert, and the climate and lack of water resources do not favor of farming. Only 20% of the land area is naturally arable.[1] Today agriculture represents 2.5% of total GDP and 3.6% of exports.

Due to the diversity of the land and climate across the country, Israel is able to grow a wide range of crops. Field crops grown in the country include wheat, sorghum and corn. On 215,000 hectares of land, these sorts of crops are grown, 156,000 hectares of which are winter crops. (Agriculture in Israel)

Vatican City is just over 100 acres and none of that is used for agriculture.
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Revelation flat out tells you who Mystery Babylon the Great is

“And to whom does that term refer? In Revelation, “the great city” (hey polis megaley in Greek) is used to clearly refer to Jerusalem, capitol of the Jewish people! When the two witnesses are killed, their dead bodies lie in the streets of “the great city (hey polis megaley). “… Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified” (Revelation 11:8). This unmistakably implies that powerful, corrupt Babylon and the great city “ Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified,” are the same city… Jerusalem.” (Babylon the Great is Israel by Ted Pike)

This insinuates that far from being a city of God as many Christians believe, Jerusalem will be a corrupt and decadent city which is heavily into the occult. In fact, Revelation 17:18 states plane as day that the woman, referring to Mystery Babylon the Great, is the great city, referring to Jerusalem. (Revelation 11:8)

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Revelation 17:18)

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Revelation 11:8)

“The apostle Peter, bishop of Jerusalem, also calls Jerusalem “ Babylon.” He sends greetings from the church in Jerusalem saying, “She who is in Babylon…sends you greetings” (1 Peter 5:13). Peter never visited Babylon. He is clearly identifying the moral cesspool of antiquity, Babylon, with the city where Christ was killed.

Scripture also describes only one city as center of world rule in the last days, and that is Jerusalem. Paul states clearly that the anti-Christ will declare his one-world authority from the temple at Jerusalem, where he proclaims he is God. (2 Thess. 2:4) When the two witnesses resist him, they do not battle a papal anti-Christ but “the wicked profane prince of Israel” in Jerusalem. (Ezek. 21:25) These scriptures point to Jerusalem as the epicenter of one-world rebellion against God; Jerusalem and Babylon are one!”
(Babylon the Great is Israel by Ted Pike)

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How is Satan going to deceive scrupulous Bible savvy Christians who are watchful and weary of any moves towards a one world government? These Christians know that the Bible warns about a Satanic End Times kingdom and they would cause an uproar at the formation of such. Satan therefore must disarm these Christians. He must create a puppet Illuminati organization which presides over the creation of this supposed New World Order, he will create a counterfeit of all the major prophecies in Revelation, a counterfeit regathering of Israel, a mark of the beast, New World Order, Mystery Babylon the Great etc.

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Why else would Jesus curse that 'counterfeit' fig tree?

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So basically the bankers or Esau have tricked the world into thinking it is Jacob when it is a star of Remphan imposter. Funny how the bible warns us of those who would be imposters and say one thing, but we know different. ha
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Well, don't let me rain on your parade, though the US exported over a trillion last year.

Rev 1:3 holds an additional blessing for your work.
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Well, don't let me rain on your parade, though the US exported over a trillion last year.

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Israel is a tiny country with a small population and almost does 1/10th of the exporting of USA.


But your right the Bible doesn't state that its the largest exporter in the world or anything.

The prophecies only state that it is an exporting nation near the sea large enought that it makes merchants rich. Israel fulfills this prophecy just fine.

Mystery Babylon the Great is a major importing / exporting nation on the sea


For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, (Revelation 18:17)

And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, in which were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her wealth! for in one hour is she made desolate. (Revelation 18:19)

“As Israel celebrates 63 years of being an independent state, it turns out that it is an export superpower.

According to figures published on Tuesday by the Israel Export Institute and presented by the Globes financial news paper, since its establishment in 1948 Israel has multiplied the volume of goods it exports to the world by an astonishing 13,400.

The figures also show that Israel has gone from exporting a “modest” amount of about $6 million in 1948 to exporting no less than $80.5 billion in 2010.”
(Israel an Export Superpower)

Vatican City is not located on the Sea and far from being an economic superpower, its economy is based on medals, stamps, and tourist mementos. With a population of less than 1000 its no surprise that Vatican City is not a major exporting nation.

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How is Satan going to deceive scrupulous Bible savvy Christians who are watchful and weary of any moves towards a one world government? These Christians know that the Bible warns about a Satanic End Times kingdom and they would cause an uproar at the formation of such. Satan therefore must disarm these Christians. He must create a puppet Illuminati organization which presides over the creation of this supposed New World Order, he will create a counterfeit of all the major prophecies in Revelation, a counterfeit regathering of Israel, a mark of the beast, New World Order, Mystery Babylon the Great etc.

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There is nothing about the rebirth of israel after physical tribes were broken off and the Gospel went to the world.
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There is nothing about the rebirth of israel after physical tribes were broken off and the Gospel went to the world.
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You mean the lost tribes of Israel? Jeremiah came after they went into captivity and that is where most the prophecies regarding Mystery Babylon / the gathering come from.

God knew what was going to happen in the future. The new covenant changes none of the prophecies of the old. God knew the new covenant would happen as he is all knowing. So none of the old testament prophecies are negated.

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How is Satan going to deceive scrupulous Bible savvy Christians who are watchful and weary of any moves towards a one world government? These Christians know that the Bible warns about a Satanic End Times kingdom and they would cause an uproar at the formation of such. Satan therefore must disarm these Christians. He must create a puppet Illuminati organization which presides over the creation of this supposed New World Order, he will create a counterfeit of all the major prophecies in Revelation, a counterfeit regathering of Israel, a mark of the beast, New World Order, Mystery Babylon the Great etc.

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Why else would Jesus curse that 'counterfeit' fig tree?

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So basically the bankers or Esau have tricked the world into thinking it is Jacob when it is a star of Remphan imposter. Funny how the bible warns us of those who would be imposters and say one thing, but we know different. ha
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I know that Edom was converted and assumed they interbred with the jewish people. I assume though this is the J haplogroup admixture in the Jewish population.
How is Satan going to deceive scrupulous Bible savvy Christians who are watchful and weary of any moves towards a one world government? These Christians know that the Bible warns about a Satanic End Times kingdom and they would cause an uproar at the formation of such. Satan therefore must disarm these Christians. He must create a puppet Illuminati organization which presides over the creation of this supposed New World Order, he will create a counterfeit of all the major prophecies in Revelation, a counterfeit regathering of Israel, a mark of the beast, New World Order, Mystery Babylon the Great etc.

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Correct, Israel will collapse and the Palestinians will get their land back in 2018.
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So the whole country of Israel is full of "fake Israelis"?
So they aren't jewish people either?

I think you've kinda gone over the deep end friend.

edit to add:

Since when were people printed out ??? counterfeit??

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Rothschild is not written in the book of life, it is stricken thrice.

Just wait until Rothschild's new tower in Tel Aviv Israel is completed at the end of this year/beginning of next.

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Just because a physiological structure can biologically operate indefinitely; doesn't mean it can't be killed.

Israel in the middle east is indeed a counterfeit, but then again maybe I am just another false prophet.

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The only two nations that the world would 'mourn' if they stopped exporting would be either the United States or China.

When was the last time you bought something that said 'made in Isreal'. The verse talks about more then just diamonds. come on.

The stuff about New York being "the great city" is more likely.
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Excellent analysis and presentation of history. OP has obviously done a ton of study. The "historical revisionists"/International-bankers that have controlled the Media, including the major Publishing Houses, may be defeated by the easy availability of repressed works and facts now on the Internet. Of course they are working hard to put an end to it.
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In his book, "Between Two Ages," Brzezinski wrote: "The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values."

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Excellent analysis and presentation of history. OP has obviously done a ton of study. The "historical revisionists"/International-bankers that have controlled the Media, including the major Publishing Houses, may be defeated by the easy availability of repressed works and facts now on the Internet. Of course they are working hard to put an end to it.
An excellent place to find "politically Incorrect" history and analysis:
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Excellent analysis and presentation of history. OP has obviously done a ton of study. The "historical revisionists"/International-bankers that have controlled the Media, including the major Publishing Houses, may be defeated by the easy availability of repressed works and facts now on the Internet. Of course they are working hard to put an end to it.
An excellent place to find "politically Incorrect" history and analysis:
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Thanks, God bless
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Wow, good research
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Jesus said ,that the word of god will be preached to all nations ,then the end will come.North Koria,the word has not been preached There.The start of the trib. will begine, until the anti christ signs a 7 peace treaty with israel,and break it in the middle.read mathew 24,America is the mystery Babolyn,She controls the nations U.N. in new york.death of the enesence,abortion,from sea to shinning sea,a woman, statue of liberty,Holiwood.Many men had made futures in babolyn,wall street.Why mystery,Because of many tonques,and races,a melting pot.The anti christ will come from the ten coutry in Urope,He will burn the U.S. The E.U. will fall apart,They will regroup to 13 Nations,They will have one president among them.He will remove 3 ,Ten total nation.he will be the little horn,ten toes mixed with clay.He will be the new Matraia,E-man,To the muslums,Massiah to the jewish,After 3.5 yrs.The daily sacrifice will will end .He will declair that he is God ,and make a pork sacrifice,the jewish people will reject him,and recognize that they crusified the real Jesus,and have accept a conifite,he will destroy most of the jewish people,except 144,000 .than the rapture will occur.Jesus returns in the air .wrath of god will start for 3 yrs. No rain for 3 yrs+Gold will be worthless.The two witnesses,Ench,and Elaja,why, because they have not died as yet,Got toke them up.But they will returnand will be killed,and after 3 day come to life with glorified bodies.IT is apointed for men to die once,than judgement. .Making totol of 7 yrs. Jesus returns with us at the end and this time his feet will touch mt. Olives,and will distroy the armies and make peace for 1,000 yrs.Satin is let out for a short time,Jesus, Yashua,will burn this planet ,and the new jerusalim will will begine .We all will have glorified bodies.Earth becomes part of haven,as in the Loards prayer.Jerusalin will not only be the capital of this world, but of the universe. God Bless Mike Kozak
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Re: The Bible says the regathering of Israel will happen in 2018 not 1948. Israel in the middle east today is a counterfeit!
U.S. is mystery babylon.2011.9-11 happened.7yrs.2008 the wall street melt down,2015,another 7 yrs. the worce resseson will happen.Doller will collapes.2022,another 7 yrs.new york will be burned,and never will be rebuit.as per Bible prophesy.The harvenger.

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