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Sumerian Pantheon Gods & Jesus

 
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Ok so I am at a crossroads now.. Its proof that the Old Testament came from older writings, primarily, the writings of the Sumerians.. So in Sumerian creation it is said the Enki made humanity and Enlil deceived. Enlil wanted a flood and Enki saved. Yet Enki is known as the evil one because of his emblem, the serpent, and Enlil has been deemed as Jehovah. So its quite confusing when you involve the New Testament into all this, but I have somewhat cracked the surface of the truth. Now which of these gods is the god of Jesus? "39 They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham's children, you would be doing the works Abraham did, 40 but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. 41 You are doing the works your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies." -John 8:39-44 So the god of Jesus was definitly not Jehovah or Enlil.. so is it Enki? Or I'm thinking its neither of the two and that Jesus is the father Anu of the Sumerian pantheon, who is described as sitting in a throne with light emanating from him. Jesus described his father as sitting in a throne with light emanating from him. Jesus also said that if you have seen me then you have seen the father.. So Jesus is Anu right? If anyone has any insight on this please reply.
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This scripture does indicate that Jehovah is Jesus father.


Why can't you get the sense of this scripture it is apparent that jesus said if you were doing the works of my father you wouldlove me. However he said they did the works of satan and that was why they didn't understand.

How come you can't get this scripture. Its very plain
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its all the same people.

then and now...one people.
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No doubt Jesus was referring to God, the father as God the Father of his Soul.

Almost all pre-Hebrew religions had many gods and goddesses as well as humans who were said to have one of them as a parent.

God does not violate the same natural laws he created and he does not impregnate women like other gods.

Whomever developed the story of a virgin birth did so in the mythological sense to make Jesus more than human.

God, the father of his soul, makes him no less divine as the Holy Spirit was said to be within him early on.

Nor is he any less divine if he was married as soon as he could support a wife as a carpenter. It would have been an arranged marriage when he was young as was the Jewish custom of the time. Even as a Rabbi, he would have been expected to marry.

So it probably was not Mary Magdeline or any version of her.

By the time of his ministry around 30, it is quite possible he was already a widower since so many young women died in childbirth and many children died young, if not at birth.

We actually know so little of him. As a carpenter and susposedly a Rabbi, he would have been a literate man. He could have written his own gospels and perhaps did.

Maybe we just haven't found them or maybe they were destroyed or maybe the Vatican Library has kept his own writings hidden.

Joseph of Arimathea (?) was also a literate man. Surely if he gave a grave to Mary for the body, he would also have written his own knowledge of Jesus and the life he led. As an uncle of Jesus, he certainly would have known him from birth.

Now that is the gospel we should all want to read. It might actually be truthful.

Much of what we have come to know as the gospels and the Bible was written for the pagans. To convert them, things had to be in terms they could understand. Even their holy days were co-opted because they would not give up their celebrations. Churches and Cathedrals were often built upon pagan temple sites.

None of that invalidates Jesus as our Savior from Satan or his divine nature.

Let us also recognize that the Catholic Church and many other Christian sects still follow the outlines of Paul in his letters in shutting out women and telling them to be silently obedient.

Peter may have founded the Church of Rome, but it was Constantine who really directed what would be in the Bible and what would be the laws of the Church. All else was considered heresy and heretics were murdered.

And that is why the American concept of Freedom of Religion shook the world almost as much as the concept of one man, one vote or goverment by the people, of the people and for the people. There was no such things anywhere in the world until then.
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Ok I get that the scripture says that Jehovah is Jesus's father, but I am talking about Sumerian writings since Hebrew texts root from their tablets.. So Enlil would be the father of Jesus then? Enlil is the storm God. Yet Enlil was the deceiver and Enlil was the one that wished to wipe out humanity. Enki on the other hand was the one that saved humanity and he is the God of Wisdom. He is the one called Lord in Sumerian writings. Enki is the one that made humanity in the likeness of 'us' the gods.. That is why Enlil deceived Eve into eating the fruit. That is why the Bible in the Old Testament has two characteristics.. One being loving and the other being angry and hateful.. Yahweh and Jehovah are not the same one God as the Old Testament claims.. They are Enki and Enlil. Now please use Sumerian texts as well as the Bible. So is Jehovah (Enlil) the God of Jesus and his father and is he incarnated into human form as Jesus? Where is Enki or Yahweh stand in all this? Since the Hebrews wrote the Old Testament based on Sumerian Writings. I am trying to piece the Sumerian writings instead of the Old Testament with the New Testament to find answers.
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GOD is the SUN (The Star)
Jesus is also the SUN

The Sun is our life giver and taker

The sooner you accept that the sooner the human race can move forward.
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When you judge someone else, It doesn't define who they are, It defines who you are. Be love!

“Kind words do not cost much. Yet they accomplish much.”
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GOD is the SUN (The Star)
Jesus is also the SUN

The Sun is our life giver and taker

The sooner you accept that the sooner the human race can move forward.
 Quoting: xxkoshxx


This is false tho.. God is not the Sun.. The Annunaki are our creators and the Old Testaments writings come from what the Sumerians said about the Annunaki. They live on a planet the orbits by earth every 3600 years. Proof is the Sumerians were 6000 or so years ago and 3000 or so years later the same gods appeared in Egyptian, Mayan, Roman, and Greek "mythology". So God is definitely not the Sun.
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This scripture does indicate that Jehovah is Jesus father.


Why can't you get the sense of this scripture it is apparent that jesus said if you were doing the works of my father you wouldlove me. However he said they did the works of satan and that was why they didn't understand.

How come you can't get this scripture. Its very plain
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No, it does not. Nowhere in the NT does jesus even utter YHWH. In fact he told the Sanhedrin that they have not known his father or have they followed his fathers commands, and that HIS father wants mercy NOT sacrfice (So then who is Jesus father considering YHWH in the OT required burnt sacrfices?). YHWH never resurrects anyone in the OT, yet jesus does in the NT. Cyrus the Great in the OT says that to all the kingdoms of the world to them they belong to god almighty and to whom he wants he gives them. yet Jesus while being tempted by "satan", satan tells jesus to do an act of worship to him and he will give jesus all the kingdoms of the world, because to him they belong. So really then was jesus father? It was not YHWH...
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No that's not what the Sumerian writings say at all.

[link to www.sitchiniswrong.com]

The old testament or Genesis does not come from Sumer since Noah's g-grandson Nimrod founded all of Babylon.

Genesis is older than any other text on the planet, compiled by Moses from original witnessed accounts firsthand all the way back to creation. (wiseman hypothesis)
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Can you tell me where you are getting the idea that the Hebrew Scriptures are entirely based on Sumerian tablets?

Some of the stories are the same - and seem to have come from some written texts, but the Sumerian culture was destroyed circa 2000 BCE - about a millennium before Judaism was established.

Egypt also had an influence on the Hebrew Scriptures, not only in some of its hymns, but with whole systems of ethics and morals.

It is too simplistic to say God = Enlil, etc . . . it is much more complicated than that.

John is a complex and difficult text, in both its philosophy and its theology. The passage you are quoting is one where Jesus is accusing men of being children of Satan - and you seem to have made the very common mistake of conflating Satan with the serpent.

For the writer of the gospel of John, many things were very black and white. You either followed God, or you were a child of Satan . . . nothing in between. You believed in Christ and so had eternal life, or you did not, and were therefore damned for all time, etc. etc. This is one of those passages - you can follow the rules of "this world" (ie the Roman Empire), and so be a son of Satan, or you can follow the rules of God and be one of the elect.

Who have you been reading that you have fashioned your thinking around? There might be other books that you could find more helpful or inspirational . . .
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Can you tell me where you are getting the idea that the Hebrew Scriptures are entirely based on Sumerian tablets?

Some of the stories are the same - and seem to have come from some written texts, but the Sumerian culture was destroyed circa 2000 BCE - about a millennium before Judaism was established.

Egypt also had an influence on the Hebrew Scriptures, not only in some of its hymns, but with whole systems of ethics and morals.

It is too simplistic to say God = Enlil, etc . . . it is much more complicated than that.

John is a complex and difficult text, in both its philosophy and its theology. The passage you are quoting is one where Jesus is accusing men of being children of Satan - and you seem to have made the very common mistake of conflating Satan with the serpent.

For the writer of the gospel of John, many things were very black and white. You either followed God, or you were a child of Satan . . . nothing in between. You believed in Christ and so had eternal life, or you did not, and were therefore damned for all time, etc. etc. This is one of those passages - you can follow the rules of "this world" (ie the Roman Empire), and so be a son of Satan, or you can follow the rules of God and be one of the elect.

Who have you been reading that you have fashioned your thinking around? There might be other books that you could find more helpful or inspirational . . .
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Well the Sumerians talked about the Garden of Eden, Creation, Planets.. They talked about a tree of life which can be seen in images of their tablets.. They also wrote that the tree of life is in their dwelling place, which the Bible says the tree of life is in heaven. And even if the civilization was wiped out the tablets remain till today. This was thousands of years before the Hebrew texts and for the Hebrews to write the same things must have meant that they either rewrote Sumerian, ancient Aramaic writings about the Sumerians into their own writings which is now called the Old Testament.

In the Old Testament it says lets make man in "our" image. In the old testament it also seems to have a God that has two personalities. He was loving and in another part he's destroying nations. This is very similar to Enki and Enlil of the Sumerians, which seems the Hebrews formed into one God. Now I'm trying to figure out.. What the hell is going on?!?!? The Hebrews can not on first account have written everything that is in the Old Testament because they weren't even around during the creation. The tribe of Judah was a tribe formed after the confounding of the languages in Babylon. The Hebrew language roots from Aramaic, which was most likely taken by the Jewish people from early Aramaic speaking nations such as Assyria. The God of Moses (the Jealous God of the bible) is a member of the Annunaki (The ones who came from heaven to earth). Now whichever one he is, whether he is Anu the father of the Annunaki, or Enki or Enlil that I don't know. What Sitchin says about Nibiru and the planet that the Annunaki live on is very similar to what the Bible says about heaven. For example the Annunaki had an interest in gold.. The bible says that heaven has streets of gold. Jesus said that his father sits in a throne which light emanates from him and the holy council surrounds him. Anu the father of Enki and Enlil is also said to have been sitting in a throne surrounded by the Annunaki council. Now as to who is Jesus? Is he Enki? Is he Enlil? Is he just a man that was born of the holy spirit? Or is he just a man that was sedated on the cross and then escaped to Kashmir as some texts claim, and his claim has been perpetuated into a whole ordeal? Is he the holy Anu incarnated in human form? The Sumerians didn't even believe in hell, since Enlil was the one that deceived Eve into eating the the fruit of forbidden knowledge and not "Satan". Now Nibiru the red planet is not heaven.. Nibiru plays the role of the sun for the planets revolving around Nibiru. If Sitchin was incorrect then why do these same similar gods appear about 3000 years later in Egypt, Rome, and Greece? Did they build the pyramids to leave as proof of their arrival? Is judgment day the third arrival of Nibiru by Earth?
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Ok I get that the scripture says that Jehovah is Jesus's father, but I am talking about Sumerian writings since Hebrew texts root from their tablets.. So Enlil would be the father of Jesus then? Enlil is the storm God. Yet Enlil was the deceiver and Enlil was the one that wished to wipe out humanity. Enki on the other hand was the one that saved humanity and he is the God of Wisdom. He is the one called Lord in Sumerian writings. Enki is the one that made humanity in the likeness of 'us' the gods.. That is why Enlil deceived Eve into eating the fruit. That is why the Bible in the Old Testament has two characteristics.. One being loving and the other being angry and hateful.. Yahweh and Jehovah are not the same one God as the Old Testament claims.. They are Enki and Enlil. Now please use Sumerian texts as well as the Bible. So is Jehovah (Enlil) the God of Jesus and his father and is he incarnated into human form as Jesus? Where is Enki or Yahweh stand in all this? Since the Hebrews wrote the Old Testament based on Sumerian Writings. I am trying to piece the Sumerian writings instead of the Old Testament with the New Testament to find answers.
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Getting caught in one of those dialectical dualities dude.
One example is Nazism vs Communism, which I'm sure you'll get is a false choice.
Consider the Principle of teh Excluded Outside.
i.e.neither choice is correct.
YHWH=psych tribal god.
'Father'=actual real infinite sentient field of everything which NO human has a hope of understanding or defing anymore than a grain of sand could understand the beach or the ocean.
Two brothers, even if they are ETs, hardly matter in such a scenario.
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This scripture does indicate that Jehovah is Jesus father.


Why can't you get the sense of this scripture it is apparent that jesus said if you were doing the works of my father you wouldlove me. However he said they did the works of satan and that was why they didn't understand.

How come you can't get this scripture. Its very plain
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The Council of Nicea's scripture? That's what so-called scripture is, the words of Constitines scribes.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy."

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."
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The point I'm trying to make is who do I pray to? Should I just pray to the holy spirit? Should I pray to the universe? Or should I just recite the lords prayer to the father? I mean I am a devote Christian, but ever since I found this pre old testament info out I just lost it.. What's your guy's opinion on Jesus? Is he your lord and savior?

Matthew 6:9–13 (NIV)
"Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil."
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The point I'm trying to make is who do I pray to? Should I just pray to the holy spirit? Should I pray to the universe? Or should I just recite the lords prayer to the father? I mean I am a devote Christian, but ever since I found this pre old testament info out I just lost it.. What's your guy's opinion on Jesus? Is he your lord and savior?

Matthew 6:9–13 (NIV)
"Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil."
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If you have any doubts, pray to the Holy Spirit. Thats the true mother of Christ. The Holly Spirit is the mother of all living.

Jesus is a creation of Rome based on the message and material life of Christ. Rome made a religion out of him and created a false message,

Christ isnt from YHVH
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy."

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."
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The point I'm trying to make is who do I pray to? Should I just pray to the holy spirit? Should I pray to the universe? Or should I just recite the lords prayer to the father? I mean I am a devote Christian, but ever since I found this pre old testament info out I just lost it.. What's your guy's opinion on Jesus? Is he your lord and savior?

Matthew 6:9–13 (NIV)
"Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil."
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If you have any doubts, pray to the Holy Spirit. Thats the true mother of Christ. The Holly Spirit is the mother of all living.

Jesus is a creation of Rome based on the message and material life of Christ. Rome made a religion out of him and created a false message,

Christ isnt from YHVH
 Quoting: Motion & Rest


Ok Thank You.. Also I am the webmaster of a Christian website.. Thatholy.com people check it out & sign up! Jesus will always be our lord though! He even said (Look Above for Reference) Pray to the father, not him. So God/Father is spirit. And Jesus is the spirit in human flesh.

"God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." -John 4:24

Jesus only came to teach us and to direct us to his Father, which is the holy spirit.

Thanks all
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I myself have pondered the Sumerian writings and have tried to draw some truth and corroborate the bible. I expected they would have accurate rendering as their writings would have been chronology not that far from the flood, hence a fresh mind to recall. However, something to keep in mind, was that this also would be the time that man started to colonize, build cities and I expect the timing of the biblical Nimrod. If this is correct, they were already starting to introduce astrology and introducing opposition to Jehovah and furthering mans agendas through false teachings. This is why you see the introduction Anu the Sun god and other star (astrological) gods. Further to this is their influence on the Egyptians religious beliefs and multiple gods. I think the information is useful, but I would caution its truth due to its source. There is no coincidence that in Revelation the Babylon the Great is the symbol for false theological teachings.

That said, I have been studding their history and find it fascinating and a worthwhile endeavor. For one broad example, it is rather interesting to note that they believed in the basic tenants of God creating the universe, man and god mating with humans and have a flood story with a protagonist and the opposition. This can be also be seen in every ancient religion, although the names changed, they did not dispute we were created by God.
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aaaaaah silence is golden , where have the devils gone , they a gone running hahahahaha silly silly people
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NO WHITES GONA ANSWER THE ABOVE , NOPE ..

i thought not , not fucking one of you is a true believer or knows anything about god or the bible , wtf is wrong with your race , oh yeah ye are of your father ...da debil
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Ok so I am at a crossroads now.. Its proof that the Old Testament came from older writings, primarily, the writings of the Sumerians.. So in Sumerian creation it is said the Enki made humanity and Enlil deceived. Enlil wanted a flood and Enki saved. Yet Enki is known as the evil one because of his emblem, the serpent, and Enlil has been deemed as Jehovah. So its quite confusing when you involve the New Testament into all this, but I have somewhat cracked the surface of the truth. Now which of these gods is the god of Jesus? "39 They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham's children, you would be doing the works Abraham did, 40 but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. 41 You are doing the works your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies." -John 8:39-44 So the god of Jesus was definitly not Jehovah or Enlil.. so is it Enki? Or I'm thinking its neither of the two and that Jesus is the father Anu of the Sumerian pantheon, who is described as sitting in a throne with light emanating from him. Jesus described his father as sitting in a throne with light emanating from him. Jesus also said that if you have seen me then you have seen the father.. So Jesus is Anu right? If anyone has any insight on this please reply.
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It is actually really easy.

Single deity faiths, Judaism, CHristianity, Islam all worship and follow the practices and attitude of Enlil. In fact, Enlil is a direct translation to El, which is also called Yahweh later on, or YHWH. All the same, judgmental, punishing, jealous and emotional.

Enki, leads the current Pantheon based faiths, such as Buddism, Hinduism, Old Greek and Roman worship systems etc. Enki traits involve Logic, Love, Compassion, Science.


When you boil them down this way, it is easy to see those who have taken the darker path, or are to ignorant of the past to confront the lie they believe in.

Jesus., in his life, was obviously a follower of Enki and portrayed Enki-like attributes and tried to absolve people from a life of slavery towards Enlil's system(the Torah/Talmud is an excellent example of pure Enlilism,essentially it is disguised/confused Babylonian cult worship) .

Jesus knew, it was the Path of Anu(the father of Enki and Enlil....spiritually, not biologically as some scholars attest) and that way, is the base of the Abrahamic faiths, but they choose to intertwine each "God" and end up confusing both paths)

You are awake friend, now continue to seek, your glowing with the truth. keep searching, it is not far away.
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it dont matter to you white folk anyhow , name one prophit that has ever come out of your race , ...

exactly you can cos there isnt one , you are not of god but are of your father the devil ... you are white pieces of shit

here is a list of what we have achieved over the years the black race..

buddah was black
god was black
jesus was black
beethoven was black
europe built by blacks and used to be run by blacks ,
america built by blacks
great wall of china built by blacks
the blacks are isrelaites
blacks are the only race with 0 percent neanderthol dna
blacks are the only people that will recive salvation

blacks are going to run the new world once this one goes down which is very soon and whites are going into slavery , dont worry we will take care of you and your women ;-)

black have the god particle , melanin , it is the key to life and survival of the human race

blacks are really gods

white's were a testtube fuckup

we will run the world with in 5 years and all other races will bow or die its a simple as that , jesus is on our side , he is coming to destroyed you not us ..

hope that clear up any confusion ... iff you need any help , read the bible , and do your history , why dont you think god never answers you ... hahahahahaha cos he is not for you devils , idiots
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You are completely wrong, and retarded.

See any Black people native to the Sinai? You assheaded racist fuckwad?

How about Black people native to the cradle of Civilization?(Present day Iraq)

How about Blacks anywhere in South America?

Nope....


Stop being so ignorant, there were Black skinned people in the earliest days.....in AFRICA, the North Eastern tip of which was once called "the Absu or ABZU" which is now called the Horn of Africa.

This is where the original slaves made to mine gold were from.

Egyptians were NOT black, though obviously, some Africans mingled and bred with Arabians.
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I myself have pondered the Sumerian writings and have tried to draw some truth and corroborate the bible. I expected they would have accurate rendering as their writings would have been chronology not that far from the flood, hence a fresh mind to recall. However, something to keep in mind, was that this also would be the time that man started to colonize, build cities and I expect the timing of the biblical Nimrod. If this is correct, they were already starting to introduce astrology and introducing opposition to Jehovah and furthering mans agendas through false teachings. This is why you see the introduction Anu the Sun god and other star (astrological) gods. Further to this is their influence on the Egyptians religious beliefs and multiple gods. I think the information is useful, but I would caution its truth due to its source. There is no coincidence that in Revelation the Babylon the Great is the symbol for false theological teachings.

That said, I have been studding their history and find it fascinating and a worthwhile endeavor. For one broad example, it is rather interesting to note that they believed in the basic tenants of God creating the universe, man and god mating with humans and have a flood story with a protagonist and the opposition. This can be also be seen in every ancient religion, although the names changed, they did not dispute we were created by God.
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What do you mean "corroborate the bible" exactly?

You are working backwards, the Bible actually corroborates its own invalidity! By taking legends of the Sumerians and Babylonians and parading them as something from the time of the Bibles writing or near to it, and claiming it is a part of their unique heritage, which is an absolute lie.

Anu wasn't a Sun God, he was an emperor of their empire and treated as a deity, the same way many of the so called Annunaki were in their local regions.

Anu was simply the path, the way, because he was highest and had the most access to the ways of the ways things world etc etc.
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No that's not what the Sumerian writings say at all.

[link to www.sitchiniswrong.com]

The old testament or Genesis does not come from Sumer since Noah's g-grandson Nimrod founded all of Babylon.

Genesis is older than any other text on the planet, compiled by Moses from original witnessed accounts firsthand all the way back to creation. (wiseman hypothesis)
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What a ridiculous (and uneducated) statement - someone needs to study history a little! Most all of the biblical stories are taken directly from Sumerian history and tablets, which occurred thousands and thousands of years before the Hebrews - OT compilers changed many names of the gods to reflect their idea of monotheism, but the stories ARE Sumerian.

And linking to Heiser? Someone needs to do a little homework in this regard as well - he's been exposed as a joke!
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I myself have pondered the Sumerian writings and have tried to draw some truth and corroborate the bible. I expected they would have accurate rendering as their writings would have been chronology not that far from the flood, hence a fresh mind to recall. However, something to keep in mind, was that this also would be the time that man started to colonize, build cities and I expect the timing of the biblical Nimrod. If this is correct, they were already starting to introduce astrology and introducing opposition to Jehovah and furthering mans agendas through false teachings. This is why you see the introduction Anu the Sun god and other star (astrological) gods. Further to this is their influence on the Egyptians religious beliefs and multiple gods. I think the information is useful, but I would caution its truth due to its source. There is no coincidence that in Revelation the Babylon the Great is the symbol for false theological teachings.

That said, I have been studding their history and find it fascinating and a worthwhile endeavor. For one broad example, it is rather interesting to note that they believed in the basic tenants of God creating the universe, man and god mating with humans and have a flood story with a protagonist and the opposition. This can be also be seen in every ancient religion, although the names changed, they did not dispute we were created by God.
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Sumerian writings are the oldest known on this planet, they ARE the originals! If one needs to question truth due to its source, then begin questioning all the religions and writings that came AFTER since those are the barbarized versions of the truth!

The Annunaki (whom the Sumerians write and speak of) where the 'gods' who created (bio-engineered - mixing their DNA with the then-current humanoid species on planet earth) mankind in THEIR image. They absolutely did dispute that we were created by God - THEY created us - and they knew full well that they were not the God who created this universe.

There is a tremendous wealth of historical data out there for us to study and learn about man's origins, however, one needs to step outside the realm of religious writings to find the truth - go to the originals - the Sumerian writings.
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Ok so I am at a crossroads now.. Its proof that the Old Testament came from older writings, primarily, the writings of the Sumerians.. So in Sumerian creation it is said the Enki made humanity and Enlil deceived. Enlil wanted a flood and Enki saved. Yet Enki is known as the evil one because of his emblem, the serpent, and Enlil has been deemed as Jehovah. So its quite confusing when you involve the New Testament into all this, but I have somewhat cracked the surface of the truth. Now which of these gods is the god of Jesus? "39 They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham's children, you would be doing the works Abraham did, 40 but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. 41 You are doing the works your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies." -John 8:39-44 So the god of Jesus was definitly not Jehovah or Enlil.. so is it Enki? Or I'm thinking its neither of the two and that Jesus is the father Anu of the Sumerian pantheon, who is described as sitting in a throne with light emanating from him. Jesus described his father as sitting in a throne with light emanating from him. Jesus also said that if you have seen me then you have seen the father.. So Jesus is Anu right? If anyone has any insight on this please reply.
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OP, its disheartening when someone like you (like many of us) asks genuine questions and gets slammed with biblical dogma. I was raised in a Christian home and for over 40 years, sat in a silent bubble of questions because no one (within the church) had the answers I was seeking. About 5 years ago, I began in-depth study of the origins of Christianity, the church, our history, ancient civilizations, etc., and it didn't take long for many of the pieces to start falling into place. I don't wish to speak ill of anyone's religion, but, if one seeks truth, be prepared to have your eyes opened once you start digging into the historical data.

Keep seeking OP... the truth is out there! :)
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Ok so I am at a crossroads now.. Its proof that the Old Testament came from older writings, primarily, the writings of the Sumerians.. So in Sumerian creation it is said the Enki made humanity and Enlil deceived. Enlil wanted a flood and Enki saved. Yet Enki is known as the evil one because of his emblem, the serpent, and Enlil has been deemed as Jehovah. So its quite confusing when you involve the New Testament into all this, but I have somewhat cracked the surface of the truth. Now which of these gods is the god of Jesus? "39 They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham's children, you would be doing the works Abraham did, 40 but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. 41 You are doing the works your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies." -John 8:39-44 So the god of Jesus was definitly not Jehovah or Enlil.. so is it Enki? Or I'm thinking its neither of the two and that Jesus is the father Anu of the Sumerian pantheon, who is described as sitting in a throne with light emanating from him. Jesus described his father as sitting in a throne with light emanating from him. Jesus also said that if you have seen me then you have seen the father.. So Jesus is Anu right? If anyone has any insight on this please reply.
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OP, its disheartening when someone like you (like many of us) asks genuine questions and gets slammed with biblical dogma. I was raised in a Christian home and for over 40 years, sat in a silent bubble of questions because no one (within the church) had the answers I was seeking. About 5 years ago, I began in-depth study of the origins of Christianity, the church, our history, ancient civilizations, etc., and it didn't take long for many of the pieces to start falling into place. I don't wish to speak ill of anyone's religion, but, if one seeks truth, be prepared to have your eyes opened once you start digging into the historical data.

Keep seeking OP... the truth is out there! :)
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It's also important to remember, the victors are the one's writing history, but that doesn't mean the victors are good people.

I've read of who the people were behind the early days of organized Christianity, and I'm disgusted. Lying, cheating, stealing, murder, prostitution . . . all part of the lives of leaders of the "church." It was all about power and prestige. They ruled over Kings, remember.

It's not hard to imagine that the Vatican TODAY, is up to it's neck in money laundering, murder, and pedophiles, deeply into the mob, and soon to be taken down.

So many lies about who we are. We've been lied to since day one about it all. I'm convinced that if there is a true God, the elite and all those behind the corruption, would never have allowed us peons to know the truth. They killed for the truth, and they still do.

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GOD is the SUN (The Star)
Jesus is also the SUN

The Sun is our life giver and taker

The sooner you accept that the sooner the human race can move forward.
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This is false tho.. God is not the Sun.. The Annunaki are our creators and the Old Testaments writings come from what the Sumerians said about the Annunaki. They live on a planet the orbits by earth every 3600 years. Proof is the Sumerians were 6000 or so years ago and 3000 or so years later the same gods appeared in Egyptian, Mayan, Roman, and Greek "mythology". So God is definitely not the Sun.
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Without the Sun, there would be no life at all. So which is Greater?
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GOD is the SUN (The Star)
Jesus is also the SUN

The Sun is our life giver and taker

The sooner you accept that the sooner the human race can move forward.
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This is false tho.. God is not the Sun.. The Annunaki are our creators and the Old Testaments writings come from what the Sumerians said about the Annunaki. They live on a planet the orbits by earth every 3600 years. Proof is the Sumerians were 6000 or so years ago and 3000 or so years later the same gods appeared in Egyptian, Mayan, Roman, and Greek "mythology". So God is definitely not the Sun.
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Without the Sun, there would be no life at all. So which is Greater?
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There is life where there is no sun. The ocean bottom is thriving with life.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy."

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."
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Ok so I am at a crossroads now.. Its proof that the Old Testament came from older writings, primarily, the writings of the Sumerians.. So in Sumerian creation it is said the Enki made humanity and Enlil deceived. Enlil wanted a flood and Enki saved. Yet Enki is known as the evil one because of his emblem, the serpent, and Enlil has been deemed as Jehovah. So its quite confusing when you involve the New Testament into all this, but I have somewhat cracked the surface of the truth. Now which of these gods is the god of Jesus? "39 They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham's children, you would be doing the works Abraham did, 40 but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. 41 You are doing the works your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies." -John 8:39-44 So the god of Jesus was definitly not Jehovah or Enlil.. so is it Enki? Or I'm thinking its neither of the two and that Jesus is the father Anu of the Sumerian pantheon, who is described as sitting in a throne with light emanating from him. Jesus described his father as sitting in a throne with light emanating from him. Jesus also said that if you have seen me then you have seen the father.. So Jesus is Anu right? If anyone has any insight on this please reply.
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It is actually really easy.

Single deity faiths, Judaism, CHristianity, Islam all worship and follow the practices and attitude of Enlil. In fact, Enlil is a direct translation to El, which is also called Yahweh later on, or YHWH. All the same, judgmental, punishing, jealous and emotional.

Enki, leads the current Pantheon based faiths, such as Buddism, Hinduism, Old Greek and Roman worship systems etc. Enki traits involve Logic, Love, Compassion, Science.


When you boil them down this way, it is easy to see those who have taken the darker path, or are to ignorant of the past to confront the lie they believe in.

Jesus., in his life, was obviously a follower of Enki and portrayed Enki-like attributes and tried to absolve people from a life of slavery towards Enlil's system(the Torah/Talmud is an excellent example of pure Enlilism,essentially it is disguised/confused Babylonian cult worship) .

Jesus knew, it was the Path of Anu(the father of Enki and Enlil....spiritually, not biologically as some scholars attest) and that way, is the base of the Abrahamic faiths, but they choose to intertwine each "God" and end up confusing both paths)

You are awake friend, now continue to seek, your glowing with the truth. keep searching, it is not far away.
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It seems to me that Enki is the good one out of the two and that the Sumerians fully knew that God is spirit and that he must be worshiped in spirit and it truth. It's becoming more aware to me that authority has twisted the image of Enki for a reason then. If you even out "Enki is" in Google and put "Enlil is" in Google the suggestions say Enki is satan and Enlil is God. Yet when one does some research you find out that Enki has always been for the advancement of Humanity as where Enlil was for the destruction of humanity. The emblem of Enki the serpent has been used in the OT as Satan the deceiver when in fact it was Enlil that deceived Eve. The Annunaki don't even believe in Satan or a one powerful opponent of God. Darkness is the lack of light, cold is the lack of heat, and evil is the lack of love. The lack of love in the hearts of the elite is the reason why this world faces injustice.
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Let's say your belief is right there (which it is not yeahsure ) the Bible goes on to say the Messiah would come AND gives the exact year he would arrive.(Daniel 9:24-26). Also, from the OT book of Daniel are the empires that would rule the earth from the time of Babylon until Rome, written 650 BC (confirmed in DSS), before Rome ever existed. The Roman Church is then found in Revelation before it ever existed.

The fact is nothing confirms the Sumer tablets. They are a fictional pagan account of the true biblical record compiled by Moses from tablets or some record handed down from the very time of Adam.(Wiseman Theory)
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Most who quote this Sumer tablet nonsense have no original sources and jumble up translations with Sitchen's fringe interpretation. They have no original source documents for the proper translation and do not even know what it says.
[link to creation.com]

The same critics use to also claim Babylon never existed: the only record of the empire was in the Bible; Then it was unearthed in Iraq.
[link to amazingdiscoveries.org]


Moses compiled Genesis from ten firsthand witnesses

TOLEDOTH THEORY

In recent years a much better insight into the origin of Genesis has emerged. As ancient Near Eastern libraries have been unearthed and their contents deciphered, many insights into biblical times have been gained. In particular, tablets from before the time of Moses in the area of Mesopotamia (where Abraham hailed from) were noted to frequently contain a colophon – a formula of sorts, at the close of the tablet. This is similar to modern customs of ending a letter with a formula like "Sincerely yours,(Name)".

Often these tablets were family records or king-lists giving the ancestry of a person. The Hebrew term for generations is toledoth. These tablets would contain a colophon describing who had written the tablet or whose history it recorded. Scholars recognized that these colophons were similar in structure to toledoth phrases in Genesis:

1) "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created." (Genesis 2:4)

2) "This is the book of the generations of Adam." (Genesis 5:1)

3) "These are the generations of Noah." (Genesis 6:9)

4) "Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth." (Genesis 10:1)

5) "These are the generations of Shem." (Genesis 11:10)

6) "Now these are the generations of Terah." (Genesis 11:27)

7) "And these are the generations of Isaac, Abraham's son." (Genesis 25:19)

8) "This is the account of Abraham's son Ishmael." (Genesis 25:12)

9) "This is the account of Esau (that is, Edom)." (Genesis 36:1)

10) "These are the generations of Jacob." (Genesis 37:2)

The implication of these colophons in Genesis is that they separate Genesis into distinct source documents each dating from the period of the person named in them. These source documents were handed down from father to son until the time of Moses, when they were edited together to form the book of Genesis under divine inspiration. In almost every case the logical author for each document would be the person named in the colophon itself. The statements immediately following each colophon would be the beginning of the next tablet; for example, Genesis 2:4 reads "When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens…" beginning Adam’s story.

[link to www.rae.org]
[link to www.trueorigin.org]
[link to www.dtl.org]
[link to www.specialtyinterests.net]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The biblical religion has remained unchanged for thousands of years, while all pagan religions have change with the rise and fall of their empires and culture.

Claim:
The Sumer tablets are the oldest text.

Reply:
Understand how TEXT dating is done: the physical dating of an archaeological relic does not date the original TEXT, which is dated by events and confirmed with the sciences.

"The oldest known tablets written in stone" means little, as original biblical texts were copied to parchment repeatedly and the originals destroyed as they were used to the point of being worn out and useless. But by this time there were thousands of copies so originals were unimportant.

Older manuscript/tablet has no validity over the majority text in agreement: Majority coming from different parts of the world, all in agreement. This is what is found with the Textus Receptus Greek New Testament and Hebrew Masoretic Old Testament, King James Version manuscripts. Oldest known does not mean more credible or reliable in textual criticism, just means the originals were destroyed, lost or possibly being kept from us.

The pagan Sumer tablets do not tell of real events, while the books of the Bible are confirmed repeatedly with HISTORY and SCIENCE.

The Bible has stories far older than the flood, compiled by Moses including many prophecies precluding anything but divinely inspired Word of GOD!

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