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WHEN DID GOD MAKE SATAN THE RULER OF THE EARTH?

 
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WHEN DID GOD MAKE SATAN THE RULER OF THE EARTH?
i am puzzled as to what happened when satan and his angelic followers decided to rebel against God.
I mean how did they do it?
they must have had several caucus meetings to decide what course of action to take? all the while God being able to know their thoughts, knew what they were plotting?
and didn't Satan know that god would know the plots he was plotting?
and when he decided to go ahead and rebel, how did he do it?
did he send a delegation to God and said, : we wants independence from Yahwee and we want to have our own colonies to rule?

the bible says that satan is the ruler of the Earth.
so when this this happen?

was it an amicable split? where god and satan decided amicably who would rule which planets?

it may seem preposterous, but to me it makes sense and such scenario would explain the biblical story of Job.
where Yaweeh and satan would meet everyday and discuss and plot which plague they should send Job and watch him perform and place bets with each other to see how he will react?
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g-d is a democrat, so they put it to a vote, and lucifer won by a narrow margin.
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The Scriptures indicate that the creature known as Satan did not always have that name. Rather, this descriptive name was given to him because of his taking a course of opposition and resistance to God. The name he had before this is not given. God is the only Creator, and ‘his activity is perfect,’ with no injustice or unrighteousness. (De 32:4) Therefore, the one becoming Satan was, when created, a perfect, righteous creature of God. He is a spirit person, for he appeared in heaven in the presence of God. (Job chaps 1, 2; Re 12:9) Jesus Christ said of him: “That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him.” (Joh 8:44; 1Jo 3:8) Jesus here shows that Satan was once in the truth, but forsook it. Beginning with his first overt act in turning Adam and Eve away from God, he was a manslayer, for he thereby brought about the death of Adam and Eve, which, in turn, brought sin and death to their offspring. (Ro 5:12) Throughout the Scriptures the qualities and actions attributed to him could be attributed only to a person, not to an abstract principle of evil. It is clear that the jewish people, and Jesus and his disciples, knew that Satan existed as a person.

So, from a righteous, perfect start, this spirit person deviated into sin and degradation. The process bringing this about is described by James when he writes: “Each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death.” (Jas 1:14, 15) In the course that Satan took, there seems to be, in some respects, a parallel with that of the king of Tyre as described in Ezekiel 28:11-19.The Scriptural account, therefore, makes it plain that it was Satan who spoke through the medium of a serpent, seducing Eve into disobedience to God’s command. In turn, Eve induced Adam to take the same rebellious course. (Ge 3:1-7; 2Co 11:3) As a consequence of Satan’s use of the serpent, the Bible gives Satan the title “Serpent,” which came to signify “deceiver”; he also became “the Tempter” (Mt 4:3) and a liar, “the father of the lie.”—Joh 8:44; Re 12:9.

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of Sovereignty Raised. When Satan approached Eve (through the speech of the serpent), he actually challenged the rightfulness and righteousness of God’s sovereignty. He intimated that God was unrightfully withholding something from the woman; he also declared that God was a liar in saying that she would die if she ate the forbidden fruit. Additionally, Satan made her believe she would be free and independent of God, becoming like God. By this means this wicked spirit creature raised himself higher than God in Eve’s eyes, and Satan became her god, even though Eve, at the time, apparently did not know the identity of the one misleading her. By his action he brought man and woman under his leadership and control, standing up as a rival god in opposition to God.—Ge 3:1-7.
The Bible, in lifting the veil to give a glimpse into heavenly affairs, reveals that Satan later as a rival god appeared before God in heaven, challenging God to His face, saying that he could turn God’s servant Job, and by implication any servant of God, away from Him. He charged God, in effect, with unrighteously giving Job everything, along with full protection, so that he, Satan, could not test Job and show what was really in his heart, which, Satan intimated, was bad. He implied that Job served God primarily for selfish considerations. Satan made this point of his argument clear when he said: “Skin in behalf of skin, and everything that a man has he will give in behalf of his soul. For a change, thrust out your hand, please, and touch as far as his bone and his flesh and see whether he will not curse you to your very face.”—Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7;
An invisible, wicked, spirit creature having superhuman powers. The common Greek word for demon (dai′mon) occurs only once in the Christian Greek Scriptures, in Matthew 8:31; elsewhere the word dai‧mo′ni‧on appears. Pneu′ma, the Greek word for “spirit,” at times is applied to wicked spirits, or demons. (Mt 8:16) It also occurs qualified by terms such as “wicked,” “unclean,” “speechless,” and “deaf.”—Lu 7:21; Mt 10:1; Mr 9:17, 25; see SPIRIT (Spirit Persons).
Demons - The demons as such were not created by God. The first to make himself one was Satan the Devil , who became the ruler of other angelic sons of God who also made themselves demons. (Mt 12:24, 26) In Noah’s day disobedient angels materialized, married women, fathered a hybrid generation known as Nephilim , and then dematerialized when the Flood came. (Ge 6:1-4) However, upon returning to the spirit realm, they did not regain their lofty original position, for Jude 6 says: “The angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.” (1Pe 3:19, 20) So it is in this condition of dense spiritual darkness that they must now confine their operations. (2Pe 2:4) Though evidently restrained from materializing, they still have great power and influence over the minds and lives of men, even having the ability to enter into and possess humans and animals, and the facts show that they also use inanimate things such as houses, fetishes, and charms.—Mt 12:43-45; Lu 8:27-33
The purpose of all such demonic activity is to turn people against Jehovah and the pure worship of God. Jehovah’s law, therefore, strictly forbade demonism in any form. (De 18:10-12) However, wayward Israel went so far astray as to sacrifice their sons and daughters to the demons. (Ps 106:37; De 32:17; 2Ch 11:15) When Jesus was on earth demon influence was very prevalent, and some of his greatest miracles consisted of expelling wicked spirits from victimized persons. (Mt 8:31, 32; 9:33, 34; Mr 1:39; 7:26-30; Lu 8:2; 13:32) Jesus gave this same power to his 12 apostles and to the 70 that he sent out, so that in the name of Jesus they too could cast out the demons.—Mt 10:8; Mr 3:14, 15; 6:13; Lu 9:1; 10:17.
Demon influence in human affairs is no less manifest today. It is still true that “the things which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons.” (1Co 10:20) In the last book of the Bible, the “revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place,” prophetic warning is given concerning accelerated demon activity on the earth. (Re 1:1) “Down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels [demons] were hurled down with him. On this account . . . woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.” (Re 12:9, 12) Unclean, froglike expressions “are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.”—Re 16:13, 14.
Christians must, therefore, put up a hard fight against these unseen wicked spirits. James, in arguing that belief alone is not sufficient, says: “You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.” (Jas 2:19) “In later periods of time,” warned Paul, “some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons.” (1Ti 4:1) One cannot eat of Jehovah’s table and at the same time feed from the table of demons. (1Co 10:21) The faithful, therefore, must put up a hard fight against the Devil and his demons, “against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places.”—Eph 6:12.
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The Scriptures indicate that the creature known as Satan did not always have that name. Rather, this descriptive name was given to him because of his taking a course of opposition and resistance to God. The name he had before this is not given. God is the only Creator, and ‘his activity is perfect,’ with no injustice or unrighteousness. (De 32:4) Therefore, the one becoming Satan was, when created, a perfect, righteous creature of God. He is a spirit person, for he appeared in heaven in the presence of God. (Job chaps 1, 2; Re 12:9) Jesus Christ said of him: “That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him.” (Joh 8:44; 1Jo 3:8) Jesus here shows that Satan was once in the truth, but forsook it. Beginning with his first overt act in turning Adam and Eve away from God, he was a manslayer, for he thereby brought about the death of Adam and Eve, which, in turn, brought sin and death to their offspring. (Ro 5:12) Throughout the Scriptures the qualities and actions attributed to him could be attributed only to a person, not to an abstract principle of evil. It is clear that the jewish people, and Jesus and his disciples, knew that Satan existed as a person.

So, from a righteous, perfect start, this spirit person deviated into sin and degradation. The process bringing this about is described by James when he writes: “Each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death.” (Jas 1:14, 15) In the course that Satan took, there seems to be, in some respects, a parallel with that of the king of Tyre as described in Ezekiel 28:11-19.The Scriptural account, therefore, makes it plain that it was Satan who spoke through the medium of a serpent, seducing Eve into disobedience to God’s command. In turn, Eve induced Adam to take the same rebellious course. (Ge 3:1-7; 2Co 11:3) As a consequence of Satan’s use of the serpent, the Bible gives Satan the title “Serpent,” which came to signify “deceiver”; he also became “the Tempter” (Mt 4:3) and a liar, “the father of the lie.”—Joh 8:44; Re 12:9.

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of Sovereignty Raised. When Satan approached Eve (through the speech of the serpent), he actually challenged the rightfulness and righteousness of God’s sovereignty. He intimated that God was unrightfully withholding something from the woman; he also declared that God was a liar in saying that she would die if she ate the forbidden fruit. Additionally, Satan made her believe she would be free and independent of God, becoming like God. By this means this wicked spirit creature raised himself higher than God in Eve’s eyes, and Satan became her god, even though Eve, at the time, apparently did not know the identity of the one misleading her. By his action he brought man and woman under his leadership and control, standing up as a rival god in opposition to God.—Ge 3:1-7.
The Bible, in lifting the veil to give a glimpse into heavenly affairs, reveals that Satan later as a rival god appeared before God in heaven, challenging God to His face, saying that he could turn God’s servant Job, and by implication any servant of God, away from Him. He charged God, in effect, with unrighteously giving Job everything, along with full protection, so that he, Satan, could not test Job and show what was really in his heart, which, Satan intimated, was bad. He implied that Job served God primarily for selfish considerations. Satan made this point of his argument clear when he said: “Skin in behalf of skin, and everything that a man has he will give in behalf of his soul. For a change, thrust out your hand, please, and touch as far as his bone and his flesh and see whether he will not curse you to your very face.”—Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7;
An invisible, wicked, spirit creature having superhuman powers. The common Greek word for demon (dai′mon) occurs only once in the Christian Greek Scriptures, in Matthew 8:31; elsewhere the word dai‧mo′ni‧on appears. Pneu′ma, the Greek word for “spirit,” at times is applied to wicked spirits, or demons. (Mt 8:16) It also occurs qualified by terms such as “wicked,” “unclean,” “speechless,” and “deaf.”—Lu 7:21; Mt 10:1; Mr 9:17, 25; see SPIRIT (Spirit Persons).
Demons - The demons as such were not created by God. The first to make himself one was Satan the Devil , who became the ruler of other angelic sons of God who also made themselves demons. (Mt 12:24, 26) In Noah’s day disobedient angels materialized, married women, fathered a hybrid generation known as Nephilim , and then dematerialized when the Flood came. (Ge 6:1-4) However, upon returning to the spirit realm, they did not regain their lofty original position, for Jude 6 says: “The angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.” (1Pe 3:19, 20) So it is in this condition of dense spiritual darkness that they must now confine their operations. (2Pe 2:4) Though evidently restrained from materializing, they still have great power and influence over the minds and lives of men, even having the ability to enter into and possess humans and animals, and the facts show that they also use inanimate things such as houses, fetishes, and charms.—Mt 12:43-45; Lu 8:27-33
The purpose of all such demonic activity is to turn people against Jehovah and the pure worship of God. Jehovah’s law, therefore, strictly forbade demonism in any form. (De 18:10-12) However, wayward Israel went so far astray as to sacrifice their sons and daughters to the demons. (Ps 106:37; De 32:17; 2Ch 11:15) When Jesus was on earth demon influence was very prevalent, and some of his greatest miracles consisted of expelling wicked spirits from victimized persons. (Mt 8:31, 32; 9:33, 34; Mr 1:39; 7:26-30; Lu 8:2; 13:32) Jesus gave this same power to his 12 apostles and to the 70 that he sent out, so that in the name of Jesus they too could cast out the demons.—Mt 10:8; Mr 3:14, 15; 6:13; Lu 9:1; 10:17.
Demon influence in human affairs is no less manifest today. It is still true that “the things which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons.” (1Co 10:20) In the last book of the Bible, the “revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place,” prophetic warning is given concerning accelerated demon activity on the earth. (Re 1:1) “Down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels [demons] were hurled down with him. On this account . . . woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.” (Re 12:9, 12) Unclean, froglike expressions “are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.”—Re 16:13, 14.
Christians must, therefore, put up a hard fight against these unseen wicked spirits. James, in arguing that belief alone is not sufficient, says: “You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.” (Jas 2:19) “In later periods of time,” warned Paul, “some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons.” (1Ti 4:1) One cannot eat of Jehovah’s table and at the same time feed from the table of demons. (1Co 10:21) The faithful, therefore, must put up a hard fight against the Devil and his demons, “against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places.”—Eph 6:12.
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good reply mate! a bit long, but it's OK.

I would still like to find out how did it come about that Yaweeh made satan the lord of the earth.
in any case. this must have happened quite a few billion of years ago
Adam and Eve were created ONLY 6000 years ago, according to the bible.
So my question is : if planet earth was a satanic colony (the serpent was already in the garden of Eden before Adam and Eve), why the hell would Yaweeh god want to create a human race and place it right in the midst of a garden occupied by satan?
was god being a mischevious shit-stirrer?

Adam and Eve did not have a chance in hell, being simple pawns between 2 feuding super powers.

do you think that the eternal punishment of hell is fair for us INNOCENT humans caught in the middle?
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God's creation process started when he decided to make free thinking creatures that make use of free will, exactly like he does. This creation process is not over, as we humans are still going through the process of putting our free wills to the test.

What good is free will, if you do not get to exercise it.
In heaven there is only good, so a free will, will never be tested. This is why God created the earth...to serve as a lab where humans could try out their free will. To do as they choose...some not even thinking that they will be held accountable for their actions. This is also why satan was created, to serve as an anti-thesis to good.

Satan was evil from the beginning.
Satan is not Lucifer. That he is Lucifer (the morningstar) is one of the big Lucifarian lies. The name Lucifer is found in the Bible only once and the Bible says that he was a MAN, a MAN that DIED. Satan cannot die excpet in the lake of fire, which the Bible shows us is our second death, i.e. the spiritual death. The end of our physical lives here on earth, is of course the first death.

Those ones who chooses God with their free will, will reign with him one day for ever. The ones that did not, will be destroyed, (in the lake of fire, the second death) as they are part of the failed experiment.

Man in heaven will be placed even higher than the angels, because the angels do not have free will, they only do God's will.

The creation process of mankind will only be complete when Jesus returns and only those that exercised their free will correctly will be the completed creatures that God wanted to create when he first said: "Let their be light"
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God's creation process started when he decided to make free thinking creatures that make use of free will, exactly like he does. This creation process is not over, as we humans are still going through the process of putting our free wills to the test.

What good is free will, if you do not get to exercise it.
In heaven there is only good, so a free will, will never be tested. This is why God created the earth...to serve as a lab where humans could try out their free will. To do as they choose...some not even thinking that they will be held accountable for their actions. This is also why satan was created, to serve as an anti-thesis to good.

Satan was evil from the beginning.
Satan is not Lucifer. That he is Lucifer (the morningstar) is one of the big Lucifarian lies. The name Lucifer is found in the Bible only once and the Bible says that he was a MAN, a MAN that DIED. Satan cannot die excpet in the lake of fire, which the Bible shows us is our second death, i.e. the spiritual death. The end of our physical lives here on earth, is of course the first death.

Those ones who chooses God with their free will, will reign with him one day for ever. The ones that did not, will be destroyed, (in the lake of fire, the second death) as they are part of the failed experiment.

Man in heaven will be placed even higher than the angels, because the angels do not have free will, they only do God's will.

The creation process of mankind will only be complete when Jesus returns and only those that exercised their free will correctly will be the completed creatures that God wanted to create when he first said: "Let their be light"
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Satan was not an fallen angel.

John 8:44
For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning.

Satan was created only as part of the creation of man. To serve as the opposite as good. To temper man into becoming what God wanted man to become.

Some will and some won't.

In Isaiah 45, God says "I make peace, and create evil".

God created satan for one purpose only.
God wanted to created creatures in his image, meaning that they will be creatures with FREE WILL.

Free will means nothing if you know only good.

God created satan as evil, to aid in the creation process of free willed man.

The creation process is nearly completed, thsnk God.
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He was never the ruler of earth so what are you talking about?
Are you confused?

I think so.
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What superstitious nonsense!
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Satan, the Adversary of Man

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i am puzzled as to what happened when satan and his angelic followers decided to rebel against God.
I mean how did they do it?
they must have had several caucus meetings to decide what course of action to take? all the while God being able to know their thoughts, knew what they were plotting?
and didn't Satan know that god would know the plots he was plotting?
and when he decided to go ahead and rebel, how did he do it?
did he send a delegation to God and said, : we wants independence from Yahwee and we want to have our own colonies to rule?

the bible says that satan is the ruler of the Earth.
so when this this happen?

was it an amicable split? where god and satan decided amicably who would rule which planets?

it may seem preposterous, but to me it makes sense and such scenario would explain the biblical story of Job.
where Yaweeh and satan would meet everyday and discuss and plot which plague they should send Job and watch him perform and place bets with each other to see how he will react?
 Quoting: Mbeccu


enoch told the tale


jude, quotes enoch in the bible, but the catholics kicked enoch out of the cannon


[Chapter 6]

1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not 4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations 5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves 6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn 7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, 8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqiel, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.

[Chapter 7]

1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
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....the catholics kicked enoch out of the cannon


Funny, but I think Enoch was 'shot' out of the cannon.
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I find it pretty cute that you still believe that 'god' is something that can "make things do things", or that it is something that "rules" or "controls" the universe.

Kinda like the mythologies of egyptians or romans or greeks or whatever ancient civilization that had different religions!
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....the catholics kicked enoch out of the cannon


Funny, but I think Enoch was 'shot' out of the cannon.
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well since the first chapter explained the earth revolved around the sun, and the catholic church told everyone the center of the universe was the Vatican...

are you surprised?


enoch was the first man shown the planets...
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i am puzzled as to what happened when satan and his angelic followers decided to rebel against God.
I mean how did they do it?
they must have had several caucus meetings to decide what course of action to take? all the while God being able to know their thoughts, knew what they were plotting?
and didn't Satan know that god would know the plots he was plotting?
and when he decided to go ahead and rebel, how did he do it?
did he send a delegation to God and said, : we wants independence from Yahwee and we want to have our own colonies to rule?

the bible says that satan is the ruler of the Earth.
so when this this happen?

was it an amicable split? where god and satan decided amicably who would rule which planets?

it may seem preposterous, but to me it makes sense and such scenario would explain the biblical story of Job.
where Yaweeh and satan would meet everyday and discuss and plot which plague they should send Job and watch him perform and place bets with each other to see how he will react?
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the dark elites always "rule" on these lower planets, they cannot be in "heaven". Those of the LUCIFER rebellion and various other galactic thugs have been placed here to contain them, and allow them to grow into wisdom. This is a prison ward.
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It was in year 27xQ
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i am puzzled as to what happened when satan and his angelic followers decided to rebel against God.
I mean how did they do it?
they must have had several caucus meetings to decide what course of action to take? all the while God being able to know their thoughts, knew what they were plotting?
and didn't Satan know that god would know the plots he was plotting?
and when he decided to go ahead and rebel, how did he do it?
did he send a delegation to God and said, : we wants independence from Yahwee and we want to have our own colonies to rule?

the bible says that satan is the ruler of the Earth.
so when this this happen?

was it an amicable split? where god and satan decided amicably who would rule which planets?

it may seem preposterous, but to me it makes sense and such scenario would explain the biblical story of Job.
where Yaweeh and satan would meet everyday and discuss and plot which plague they should send Job and watch him perform and place bets with each other to see how he will react?
 Quoting: Mbeccu


If you take any of that crap seriously you really need help.

God = Satan = Bullshit
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God is beyond Duality.

Isaiah 45:7

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
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They did not meet and place bets. Please read the chapter again. God is showing us what satan will do once in power (which is now). He takes away Jobs's:

Transportation
Job/Career
House
Family
Health

Gee-sound familiar?????
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So what if Satan is God's "brother"?

Like Set and Osiris they each represent a modality of God's being--they are not God, but represent individual aspects of Creator.
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So what if Satan is God's "brother"?

Like Set and Osiris they each represent a modality of God's being--they are not God, but represent individual aspects of Creator.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


the Infinate might find it offensive to be compared to a finite...
If it's a circle peg, into a square hole... bang harder. Sometimes in order for the blind to see, one who takes no sides has to wedge themselves right in the middle of all sides.

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if god is the alpha and omega, eternal, etc. then he created satan, hell, evil etc. and this is all one big joke to god
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So what if Satan is God's "brother"?

Like Set and Osiris they each represent a modality of God's being--they are not God, but represent individual aspects of Creator.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


the Infinate might find it offensive to be compared to a finite...
 Quoting: Soliloquy


Well, it's not a comparison per say but identification through design.

Say God is a Potter and you are the Clay.

What is God trying to make? An ashtray?

Creation will show us the imagination of the Creator.

Let's say the design was infinite throughout the finite world--this is not comparison, but design by scale.
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So what if Satan is God's "brother"?

Like Set and Osiris they each represent a modality of God's being--they are not God, but represent individual aspects of Creator.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


the Infinate might find it offensive to be compared to a finite...
 Quoting: Soliloquy


Well, it's not a comparison per say but identification through design.

Say God is a Potter and you are the Clay.

What is God trying to make? An ashtray?

Creation will show us the imagination of the Creator.

Let's say the design was infinite throughout the finite world--this is not comparison, but design by scale.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession

I'm just curious, would you call yourself an atheist?
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So what if Satan is God's "brother"?

Like Set and Osiris they each represent a modality of God's being--they are not God, but represent individual aspects of Creator.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


the Infinate might find it offensive to be compared to a finite...
 Quoting: Soliloquy


Well, it's not a comparison per say but identification through design.

Say God is a Potter and you are the Clay.

What is God trying to make? An ashtray?

Creation will show us the imagination of the Creator.

Let's say the design was infinite throughout the finite world--this is not comparison, but design by scale.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession

I'm just curious, would you call yourself an atheist?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7851770


I don't call myself anything, labels like "atheist" are so restrictive and delineating.

It doesn't really need parsing. I am part of Creation.
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satan is not a person but a role
SATAN is a Hebrew word which is NOT translated. It has been lifted directly into the English language from the Hebrew. It simply means "adversary". “Satan” is not necessarily evil. It is used of people who are simply opposed to a course of action, whether that action be for good or evil. Example: Jesus called Peter ‘satan.’


SATAN
To understand the meaning to a word or subject, we have to look up EVERY reference using that word in the Bible. Though this takes time, it is the only sound method.

The word "satan" has been adopted into English without being translated. Sometimes it has been translated in the Bible, and this should give us the clue as to its real meaning. There is no warrant to use a capital for the first letter. "Satan" is NOT a proper noun; it is merely a noun.

In the OT the word "satan" has been transliterated:
"satan" 19 times,
translated "adversary" 7 times (Numbers 22:22; I Samuel 29:4; 2 Samuel 19:22; I Kings 5:4; 11:14, 23, 25)
"resist" once (Zechariah 3:1)
"be an adversary" 5 times, and
"to withstand" once.

The first use of "satan" is in Numbers 22 where it is used twice, and in both cases, it is
correctly translated. It should have been similarly translated in EVERY other case in the
Bible.

Numbers 22: 22 "adversary" is the word satan. The second use of the word is as a verb in verse 32 "to withstand" (ie stand against). Here is an angel of God, who is Balaam's "adversary". Balaam was going to do something God had told him NOT to do, so the angel was sent to stop him.

The churches teach that there are "evil angels". The word "angels" is also used of
human messengers as well as God's messengers in heaven. But angels who are always in God's presence, are perfect, beyond sin. An accurate understanding of the angels is very necessary, because the churches have the view that there are "fallen angels" (eg Lucifer) when the Bible teaches that in heaven, "God's will is done" (Matthew 6:10) that angels "hearken unto the voice of His word.... do His pleasure" (Psalm 103:20-21).

We are offered the promise of life eternal and Jesus speaks of the redeemed as "neither can
they die any more FOR THEY ARE EQUAL UNTO THE ANGELS... " (Luke 20:35,36).
This teaches that angels are immortal.. they cannot die. Immortality is only given as a gift of
God when someone has put sin behind him. If we can still sin when immortal, then it means
God will NEVER be able to do away with sin and achieve perfection and harmony in the
world (which is what He has said He will do). Adam and Eve were sent out of the garden so
that they could not become immortal sinners! This was a merciful provision of God. The
Bible teaches that God cannot look upon sin (Habakkuk 1:13) well, if God had evil angels in
heaven, how could He have dealt with that??

The devil, or sin is manifested in three ways:
1 the individual
2 religious organizations
3 civil powers..

It doesn't matter if it is one person or a group - it is still sin.
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I think that WE put satan in charge.

If you give satan an inch, he will be a ruler.
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evil is in the hearts of man

there is no supernatural evil god tempting you

the temptation is all within

it is our sinful human nature that we seek to overcome


there is ONLY ONE God, there is no smaller or lesser or evil god

One God does it all

Isaiah has already been quoted several times in this thread and that verse sums it up well


if you want to find the source of your problems, look inside


And the idea that "satan rules this world"?

Just that human nature (and not God's way) is in control in this world now

the Bible gives you a choice:

Kingdom of God
or
Kingdom of men

Kingdom of Men is ruling this world now
the Kingdom of God will be reinstated soon
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if god exists he created heaven hell and satan so there's nothing to worry about move on
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Because this is a place of free will, before our souls incarnated here we made the choice to live here to gain the experience of living in a world of duality!
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Because this is a place of free will, before our souls incarnated here we made the choice to live here to gain the experience of living in a world of duality!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7861530


a world of duality is a human construct

it is part of mythologies and pagan tradition

but it is not part of the Bible

there is not a good god vs. bad god duality in this world

though 'christians' --through their apostate doctrine--have attempted to incorporate this idea into scripture with the personification of the role of satan

but it isn't there in the scripture if you read it in it's entirety (and understand it--and not approach as discrete ideas)
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He didn't. That's the problem.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

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