Let's face it, you can't separate money from greed. The only good trading method is the barter system.

all money is is liquidy... as long as u have an item someone wants there will be greed can we stop with these threads now?

Will you trade your food for a car? Which is more important?

if i manufactured cars i would trade it for food or
if i was a king i would kill someone for a car the same way id kill someone for money id also kill someone for food the same way id kill someone for money

How many people can you kill? No one will be king because everyone will be equally important. Sure every now and then there will some bad people but the society will get rid of them immediately. Nature is one big barter system. Grass provide food for cows and cows fertilize the soil to grow more grass.

every1 will be equally important? ok tell me when humans evolved enough to not need leaders tell me when a casheir (who idk how hes going to get paid... a shiny rock?) is just as important as an engineer (idk how he will get paid either) all your saying is hopefull stuff that will never happen in reality

Can't you see, every human being will be taking care of each other in order to survive and improve as a species. No one can overtake the other.

even in the tribes of africa they have village cheifs humans (as of now atleast) NEED a person in charge and keep every1 in line and now that were off topic let me get back on topic

say i grow corn and u raise cows what if i want a cow to eat but u dont want corn and thats all i have to offer.. then i have to find somethin u want barter for that with someone else and then barter with u for the cow orrrr with money i could sell my corn and buy a cow its not money that = greed its the love of items (money gives u items) money is actually good cuase it makes civilization run smoother also even ancient places used money just it was gold silver and bronze

With the barter system, not only can everyone know each other, but they rely on each other to survive. Thus they will not kill each other like what money has done to us. The barter system will keep a good balance in a society and eliminate all the things that are no use to us. No more useless junk and thus will be more environmental friendly. The population will be more in control of their life and not be influenced by the government and banks.

Barter system is not only a good trading method but it will create a caring society as a whole. No more cheating others, what you see is what you'll get. That's the way it should be right at the beginning.

That kind of society does sound perfect, and I wish I could live there, but it's impossible

Greed is an inherent part of our humanity and so we strive to not be greedy

Bartering is still a great idea, but there's so many laws against it which force big parts of the market to go underground

you could start by getting rid of any sort of income tax

I would rather say, you cant separate insecurity from greed

all money is is liquidy... as long as u have an item someone wants there will be greed can we stop with these threads now?

Great poster, you nailed.

These idealistic folks who think just because they implement their utupia people will suddenly become good and noble are just fucking annoying.

Come back to reality morans.

Many people wouldnt understand this, people know of no other system other then this one, they will not let it go easily. They are filled with fear.


I would love to see a complete overhaul, bring on a Resource based economy like The Venus Project :D

With the barter system, not only can everyone know each other, but they rely on each other to survive. Thus they will not kill each other like what money has done to us. The barter system will keep a good balance in a society and eliminate all the things that are no use to us. No more useless junk and thus will be more environmental friendly. The population will be more in control of their life and not be influenced by the government and banks.

Barter system is not only a good trading method but it will create a caring society as a whole. No more cheating others, what you see is what you'll get. That's the way it should be right at the beginning.

the reality is most of societies depraved are not born this way they are created. we teach most of what is wrong in the world. we leave millions uneducated or poorly educated...we teach violence, greed, and separatism. we say to children share, share, share but they hear us talk about mine mine mine. its not a utopia i want to force on people...i dont want to force anything...i want to educate people to the fact that a moneyless/barterless society is possible. we have the technology to get us there all we need are the educated masses who are ready for a change...ready to have actual equality for every human.

There's no equality, some people, if not most, are naturally selfish, you can't re-engineer human nature except by force and even then it wont last long. Best thing is let people gravitate towards communities which share their values. You should be free to try your ideas with like minded individuals and other people should be able to live anyway they feel like. Centralization is evil, it goes against all natural laws, it will inexorably end in the same thing you want to abolish.

The golden rule should be that the freedoms of one end where the freedoms of the other begin. You can't do harm to others to implement your vision of right. Thus the only desirable choice remains a decentralized system which allows folks to redistribute themselves according to compatibility of character and ideology. The big evil of humanity is trying to force their standards onto others by force, let everyone arrive to their own conclusions by their own experience,.

it really boils down to us not agreeing on one thing...you think we are born this way ...and i think we are taught to be this way.
also you neglect to realize a resource based economy is non violent, there is no force, there is education, there is scientific method. its being able to say this is the best way we see possible to do something and heres the proof but you have the choice to do otherwise. the biggest evil that society perpetuates is separatism...when you look at earth there are no borders these are imaginary lines drawn in the dirt to say im better than you.

With the barter system, not only can everyone know each other, but they rely on each other to survive. Thus they will not kill each other like what money has done to us. The barter system will keep a good balance in a society and eliminate all the things that are no use to us. No more useless junk and thus will be more environmental friendly. The population will be more in control of their life and not be influenced by the government and banks.

Barter system is not only a good trading method but it will create a caring society as a whole. No more cheating others, what you see is what you'll get. That's the way it should be right at the beginning.

With the barter system, not only can everyone know each other, but they rely on each other to survive. Thus they will not kill each other like what money has done to us. The barter system will keep a good balance in a society and eliminate all the things that are no use to us. No more useless junk and thus will be more environmental friendly. The population will be more in control of their life and not be influenced by the government and banks.

Barter system is not only a good trading method but it will create a caring society as a whole. No more cheating others, what you see is what you'll get. That's the way it should be right at the beginning.