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CHEMTRAILs are what???

 
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Would you recommend a person with your personality traits become a national level leader? . . . coffee4
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I suppose that would come down to their stance on issues and their consistency in their voting history while in the Congress.

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Oh, ice hockey.. Snake don't forget the picture, hope that it is one of your chemtrail pics.
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ohcankitty The blue bands the chemtrail. LOL
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Hammer, I really like this video. . . Saw one of his when it first came out and corresponded with the video maker. . . But have not seen anything else from him since until this one . .dasbier

The only thing I disagree with is the need for 60% relative humidity requirement for persistent trails. . . .coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Noble, what is your analysis with this presenter's presentation . . . What are the issues that don't ring true . . . ?
 Quoting: George B


Too much to list...too be honest...

I'll start off with one thing...and we'll go from there..

1) The "presenter" claims that sine the desert is so dry, that contrails shouldn't persist.

Well, that is BULLSHIT!

Just because it's "dry" at ground level, that doesn't mean it isn't cold enough at altitude for the engines to push the air past the supersaturation point. Remember, colder air isn't able to hold as much moisture than warmer air.

Do you agree?
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Hammer, I really like this video. . . Saw one of his when it first came out and corresponded with the video maker. . . But have not seen anything else from him since until this one . .dasbier

The only thing I disagree with is the need for 60% relative humidity requirement for persistent trails. . . .coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Noble, what is your analysis with this presenter's presentation . . . What are the issues that don't ring true . . . ?
 Quoting: George B


Too much to list...too be honest...

I'll start off with one thing...and we'll go from there..

1) The "presenter" claims that sine the desert is so dry, that contrails shouldn't persist.

Well, that is BULLSHIT!

Just because it's "dry" at ground level, that doesn't mean it isn't cold enough at altitude for the engines to push the air past the supersaturation
point. Remember, colder air isn't able to hold as much moisture than warmer air.

Do you agree?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


I would agree that the surface temperatures and surface RH have nothing to do with trail formation. . . coffee4
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Would you recommend a person with your personality traits become a national level leader? . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


I suppose that would come down to their stance on issues and their consistency in their voting history while in the Congress.

I try very hard to judge people based on their actions and history, not on what some "priest of the modern psychiatric religion" says about them.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


Interesting. . . My pet theory. . . Without a single shred of evidence to support it, is that individuals who are sociopathic self select for offices at the highest level. . . .what do you think? . . . coffee4
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Hammer, I really like this video. . . Saw one of his when it first came out and corresponded with the video maker. . . But have not seen anything else from him since until this one . .dasbier

The only thing I disagree with is the need for 60% relative humidity requirement for persistent trails. . . .coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Noble, what is your analysis with this presenter's presentation . . . What are the issues that don't ring true . . . ?
 Quoting: George B


Too much to list...too be honest...

I'll start off with one thing...and we'll go from there..

1) The "presenter" claims that sine the desert is so dry, that contrails shouldn't persist.

Well, that is BULLSHIT!

Just because it's "dry" at ground level, that doesn't mean it isn't cold enough at altitude for the engines to push the air past the supersaturation
point. Remember, colder air isn't able to hold as much moisture than warmer air.

Do you agree?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


I would agree that the surface temperatures and surface RH have nothing to do with trail formation. . . coffee4
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Ok, so then do you agree that his statement is irrelevant...misleading and ignorant?
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Hey VTCW!

As promised...

This was appx. 5:20 1/16...

The boys were laying down some chemtrails to the West in order to block out the view of Planet X as the sun was setting, and I had them lay this down for me:

[link to i40.tinypic.com]

Notice the resemblance to my AV, and the 'evil' face for the head...

popcorn

Those pilots are soooo talented!

chuckle
"Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail"

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Hey VTCW!

As promised...

This was appx. 5:20 1/16...

The boys were laying down some chemtrails to the West in order to block out the view of Planet X as the sun was setting, and I had them lay this down for me:

[link to i40.tinypic.com]

Notice the resemblance to my AV, and the 'evil' face for the head...

popcorn

Those pilots are soooo talented!

chuckle
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


OMG! A dark trail! It must be a "chemtrail"...because I say so...and I believe what I say to be the absolute truth!
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Hammer, I really like this video. . . Saw one of his when it first came out and corresponded with the video maker. . . But have not seen anything else from him since until this one . .dasbier

The only thing I disagree with is the need for 60% relative humidity requirement for persistent trails. . . .coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Noble, what is your analysis with this presenter's presentation . . . What are the issues that don't ring true . . . ?
 Quoting: George B


Too much to list...too be honest...

I'll start off with one thing...and we'll go from there..

1) The "presenter" claims that sine the desert is so dry, that contrails shouldn't persist.

Well, that is BULLSHIT!

Just because it's "dry" at ground level, that doesn't mean it isn't cold enough at altitude for the engines to push the air past the supersaturation
point. Remember, colder air isn't able to hold as much moisture than warmer air.

Do you agree?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


I would agree that the surface temperatures and surface RH have nothing to do with trail formation. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


He also claims that the colors of the "trails" are supposedly indicative of light rain or snow...and then claims it isn't raining or snowing. And he suggests that THAT is an indication that the trails are "chemtrails"...when the reality is, the RADAR is measuring the density of the trail and if the trail had been a natural cloud, and the surrounding air allowed for it, natural clouds with that signature WOULD have produced rain or snow. But, the trails aren't natural, and are created through the engines from added moisture added to saturated air. So, they APPEAR to be snow/rain clouds on RADAR...SO?!?

He is using his IGNORANCE about science, RADAR and air saturation as evidence..and you are impressed/intrigued by that?!
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Hey VTCW!

As promised...

This was appx. 5:20 1/16...

The boys were laying down some chemtrails to the West in order to block out the view of Planet X as the sun was setting, and I had them lay this down for me:

[link to i40.tinypic.com]

Notice the resemblance to my AV, and the 'evil' face for the head...

popcorn

Those pilots are soooo talented!

chuckle
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


HI Snakeairlines, Ha! Ha! lolsign I see one of those snaketrails right now, look to the left of Camel's Hump!
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HI Snakeairlines, Ha! Ha! lolsign I see one of those snaketrails right now, look to the left of Camel's Hump!
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Sorry...No can do from present location...

I'll take your word for it though!

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Interesting. . . My pet theory. . . Without a single shred of evidence to support it, is that individuals who are sociopathic self select for offices at the highest level. . . .what do you think? . . . coffee4
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I don't know what you mean by "self select". Should we let other people select things for us? Don't we ALL "self select" when we make a choice?
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Interesting. . . My pet theory. . . Without a single shred of evidence to support it, is that individuals who are sociopathic self select for offices at the highest level. . . .what do you think? . . . coffee4
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I don't know what you mean by "self select". Should we let other people select things for us? Don't we ALL "self select" when we make a choice?
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


In a way. . . .Yes. . . .however most people don't seek high office. . . It takes a peculiar person in my opinion to want those types of positions. . . coffee4 Therefore, they self-select or choose to run for such office. . . The average person would avoid such positions IMO. . . huffy

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Noble, what is your analysis with this presenter's presentation . . . What are the issues that don't ring true . . . ?
 Quoting: George B


Too much to list...too be honest...

I'll start off with one thing...and we'll go from there..

1) The "presenter" claims that sine the desert is so dry, that contrails shouldn't persist.

Well, that is BULLSHIT!



Just because it's "dry" at ground level, that doesn't mean it isn't cold enough at altitude for the engines to push the air past the supersaturation
point. Remember, colder air isn't able to hold as much moisture than warmer air.

Do you agree?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


I would agree that the surface temperatures and surface RH have nothing
to do with trail formation. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Ok, so then do you agree that his statement is irrelevant...misleading and ignorant?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


I don't know if I would characterize his position in that way. . . He could be referring to the idea that the air over the desert southwest may be less likely to have supersaturated air. . . Than let's say the California Cost, Midwest, Northwest, Southeast and Greater Northeast. . . coffee4
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Noble, what is your analysis with this presenter's presentation . . . What are the issues that don't ring true . . . ?
 Quoting: George B


Too much to list...too be honest...

I'll start off with one thing...and we'll go from there..

1) The "presenter" claims that sine the desert is so dry, that contrails shouldn't persist.

Well, that is BULLSHIT!

Just because it's "dry" at ground level, that doesn't mean it isn't cold enough at altitude for the engines to push the air past the supersaturation
point. Remember, colder air isn't able to hold as much moisture than warmer air.

Do you agree?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


I would agree that the surface temperatures and surface RH have nothing to do with trail formation. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


He also claims that the colors of the "trails" are supposedly indicative of light rain or snow...and then claims it isn't raining or snowing. And he suggests that THAT is an indication that the trails are "chemtrails"...when the reality is, the RADAR is measuring the density of the trail and if the trail had been a natural cloud, and the surrounding air allowed for it, natural clouds with that signature WOULD have produced rain or snow. But, the trails aren't natural, and are created through the engines from added moisture added to saturated air. So, they APPEAR to be snow/rain clouds on RADAR...SO?!?

He is using his IGNORANCE about science, RADAR and air saturation as evidence..and you are impressed/intrigued by that?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


1) Seems he is making the point that typical rain and snow activity look nothing like the striated linear clouds which appear red and orange . . . this is when he thinks chemtrails or some like activity is being accomplished . . . as opposed to yellow, blue and green when normal thunderstorm and snow activity is in process . . .

2) He also makes the point that doppler does not usually visualize any cloud activity over 20,000 feet . . . however, the linear red and orange clouds in his demonstrations show some type of activity . . . he thinks they are chemtrails because persistent contrails would not form in this low altitude when the temperature was above -40C. . .

What do you think of these issues . . .? coffee4
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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[link to dspace.lib.cranfield.ac.uk (secure)]

An extract from
the aviation White Paper by the UK Department for Transport [2003] sends first
signals on how aviation pollutants other than CO2 are already perceived:


“The impact of aviation on climate change is increased over that
of direct CO2 emissions alone by some of the other emissions released
and their specific effects at altitude. These effects include increased
tropospheric ozone, contrail formation and a small amount of methane
destruction. The environmental impacts of aircraft have been assessed
by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (1999) and more
recently by the Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution (2002),
and they are thought to be 2-4 times greater than that from CO2 alone.
While further research is needed on these issues, the broad conclusion
that emissions are significantly more damaging at altitude is clear.”

Page 137 [link to dspace.lib.cranfield.ac.uk (secure)]
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Too much to list...too be honest...

I'll start off with one thing...and we'll go from there..

1) The "presenter" claims that sine the desert is so dry, that contrails shouldn't persist.

Well, that is BULLSHIT!



Just because it's "dry" at ground level, that doesn't mean it isn't cold enough at altitude for the engines to push the air past the supersaturation
point. Remember, colder air isn't able to hold as much moisture than warmer air.

Do you agree?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


I would agree that the surface temperatures and surface RH have nothing
to do with trail formation. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Ok, so then do you agree that his statement is irrelevant...misleading and ignorant?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


I don't know if I would characterize his position in that way. . . He could be referring to the idea that the air over the desert southwest may be less likely to have supersaturated air. . . Than let's say the California Cost, Midwest, Northwest, Southeast and Greater Northeast. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


And he's STILL be wrong!

If the temperature is low enough...which it can be over a hot and dry..the relative humidity can be very high...regardless of where..
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Too much to list...too be honest...

I'll start off with one thing...and we'll go from there..

1) The "presenter" claims that sine the desert is so dry, that contrails shouldn't persist.

Well, that is BULLSHIT!

Just because it's "dry" at ground level, that doesn't mean it isn't cold enough at altitude for the engines to push the air past the supersaturation
point. Remember, colder air isn't able to hold as much moisture than warmer air.

Do you agree?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


I would agree that the surface temperatures and surface RH have nothing to do with trail formation. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


He also claims that the colors of the "trails" are supposedly indicative of light rain or snow...and then claims it isn't raining or snowing. And he suggests that THAT is an indication that the trails are "chemtrails"...when the reality is, the RADAR is measuring the density of the trail and if the trail had been a natural cloud, and the surrounding air allowed for it, natural clouds with that signature WOULD have produced rain or snow. But, the trails aren't natural, and are created through the engines from added moisture added to saturated air. So, they APPEAR to be snow/rain clouds on RADAR...SO?!?

He is using his IGNORANCE about science, RADAR and air saturation as evidence..and you are impressed/intrigued by that?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


1) Seems he is making the point that typical rain and snow activity look nothing like the striated linear clouds which appear red and orange . . . this is when he thinks chemtrails or some like activity is being accomplished . . . as opposed to yellow, blue and green when normal thunderstorm and snow activity is in process . . .

2) He also makes the point that doppler does not usually visualize any cloud activity over 20,000 feet . . . however, the linear red and orange clouds in his demonstrations show some type of activity . . . he thinks they are chemtrails because persistent contrails would not form in this low altitude when the temperature was above -40C. . .

What do you think of these issues . . .? coffee4
 Quoting: George B


What data does he have about altitude and temperature of the contrails in the images?
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[link to dspace.lib.cranfield.ac.uk (secure)]

An extract from
the aviation White Paper by the UK Department for Transport [2003] sends first
signals on how aviation pollutants other than CO2 are already perceived:


“The impact of aviation on climate change is increased over that
of direct CO2 emissions alone by some of the other emissions released
and their specific effects at altitude. These effects include increased
tropospheric ozone, contrail formation and a small amount of methane
destruction. The environmental impacts of aircraft have been assessed
by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (1999) and more
recently by the Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution (2002),
and they are thought to be 2-4 times greater than that from CO2 alone.
While further research is needed on these issues, the broad conclusion
that emissions are significantly more damaging at altitude is clear.”

Page 137 [link to dspace.lib.cranfield.ac.uk (secure)]
 Quoting: George B


They are still contrails...and it's still exhaust...

NOT "chemtrails" intentionally sprayed by "the government".

I agree..they COULD BE a "problem"...again, more research (by those qualified to carry it out) is needed.


Sorry..that's not "chemtrails" any more than the billions of sources of combustion down here..regardless of the difference in impact they may have at altitude compared to what is in our air down here.

I'm sure I could find articles of EVERY chemical/compound released at ground level that shows them to be a health risk in one way or another...or in several ways....including H2O...

How many people are killed by H2O per year...compared to those deaths "contributed" to by the trails in the sky?

yeah...there is so much reason to panic and accuse people of wrongdoing...
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I would agree that the surface temperatures and surface RH have nothing to do with trail formation. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


He also claims that the colors of the "trails" are supposedly indicative of light rain or snow...and then claims it isn't raining or snowing. And he
suggests that THAT is an indication that the trails are "chemtrails"...when the reality is, the RADAR is measuring the density of the trail and if the trail had been a natural cloud, and the surrounding air allowed for it, natural clouds with that signature WOULD have produced rain or snow. But, the trails aren't natural, and are created through the engines from added moisture added to saturated air. So, they APPEAR to be snow/rain clouds on RADAR...SO?!?

He is using his IGNORANCE about science, RADAR and air saturation as
evidence..and you are impressed/intrigued by that?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


1) Seems he is making the point that typical rain and snow activity look nothing like the striated linear clouds which appear red and orange . . . this is when he thinks chemtrails or some like activity is being accomplished . . . as opposed to yellow, blue and green when normal thunderstorm and snow activity is in process . . .

2) He also makes the point that doppler does not usually visualize any cloud activity over 20,000 feet . . . however, the linear red and orange clouds in his demonstrations show some type of activity . . . he thinks they
are chemtrails because persistent contrails would not form in this low altitude when the temperature was above -40C. . .

What do you think of these issues . . .? coffee4
 Quoting: George B


What data does he have about altitude and temperature of the contrails in the images?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


He says, I believe, if I am not miskaken. . . The Doppler images by definition are 20,000 feet and below. . . And that the temperatures at 20,000 feet and below on the days of the images was never lower than . . -40C. . . coffee4
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I would agree that the surface temperatures and surface RH have nothing
to do with trail formation. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Ok, so then do you agree that his statement is irrelevant...misleading and ignorant?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


I don't know if I would characterize his position in that way. . . He could be referring to the idea that the air over the desert southwest may be less likely to have supersaturated air. . . Than let's say the California Cost,
Midwest, Northwest, Southeast and Greater Northeast. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


And he's STILL be wrong!

If the temperature is low enough...which it can be over a hot and dry..the relative humidity can be very high...regardless of where..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


He is not denying that said conditions don't exist in the desert Southwest. . . He is saying, in effect, statistically . . . There are fewer days of the optimal conditions for persistent contrails to exist than in other places in
the country. . . coffee4

Looking for such information . . . I cannot find maps which specifically demonstrate such data in a way that can support or deny his assumption . . .shitstir2

Last Edited by George B on 01/19/2012 06:17 PM
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01/19/2012 06:45 PM
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He also claims that the colors of the "trails" are supposedly indicative of light rain or snow...and then claims it isn't raining or snowing. And he
suggests that THAT is an indication that the trails are "chemtrails"...when the reality is, the RADAR is measuring the density of the trail and if the trail had been a natural cloud, and the surrounding air allowed for it, natural clouds with that signature WOULD have produced rain or snow. But, the trails aren't natural, and are created through the engines from added moisture added to saturated air. So, they APPEAR to be snow/rain clouds on RADAR...SO?!?

He is using his IGNORANCE about science, RADAR and air saturation as
evidence..and you are impressed/intrigued by that?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


1) Seems he is making the point that typical rain and snow activity look nothing like the striated linear clouds which appear red and orange . . . this is when he thinks chemtrails or some like activity is being accomplished . . . as opposed to yellow, blue and green when normal thunderstorm and snow activity is in process . . .

2) He also makes the point that doppler does not usually visualize any cloud activity over 20,000 feet . . . however, the linear red and orange clouds in his demonstrations show some type of activity . . . he thinks they
are chemtrails because persistent contrails would not form in this low altitude when the temperature was above -40C. . .

What do you think of these issues . . .? coffee4
 Quoting: George B


What data does he have about altitude and temperature of the contrails in the images?
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He says, I believe, if I am not miskaken. . . The Doppler images by definition are 20,000 feet and below. . . And that the temperatures at 20,000 feet and below on the days of the images was never lower than . . -40C. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Yeah, using sounding data...from who knows where/when...
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Ok, so then do you agree that his statement is irrelevant...misleading and ignorant?
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I don't know if I would characterize his position in that way. . . He could be referring to the idea that the air over the desert southwest may be less likely to have supersaturated air. . . Than let's say the California Cost,
Midwest, Northwest, Southeast and Greater Northeast. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


And he's STILL be wrong!

If the temperature is low enough...which it can be over a hot and dry..the relative humidity can be very high...regardless of where..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


He is not denying that said conditions don't exist in the desert Southwest. . . He is saying, in effect, statistically . . . There are fewer days of the optimal conditions for persistent contrails to exist than in other places in
the country. . . coffee4

Looking for such information . . . I cannot find maps which specifically demonstrate such data in a way that can support or deny his assumption . . .shitstir2
 Quoting: George B


So, you admit he's making assumptions...

And BTW..he emphasizes "HOT" and "DRY" as if it's just silly to believe the trails are contrails...
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I don't know if I would characterize his position in that way. . . He could be referring to the idea that the air over the desert southwest may be less likely to have supersaturated air. . . Than let's say the California Cost,

Midwest, Northwest, Southeast and Greater Northeast. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


And he's STILL be wrong!

If the temperature is low enough...which it can be over a hot and dry..the relative humidity can be very high...regardless of where..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


He is not denying that said conditions don't exist in the desert Southwest. . . He is saying, in effect, statistically . . . There are fewer days of the optimal conditions for persistent contrails to exist than in other places in
the country. . . coffee4


Looking for such information . . . I cannot find maps which specifically demonstrate such data in a way that can support or deny his assumption . . .shitstir2
 Quoting: George B


So, you admit he's making assumptions...

And BTW..he emphasizes "HOT" and "DRY" as if it's just silly to believe the trails are contrails...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


Just because I could not find the information does not mean it doesn't exist . . . coffee4
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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1) Seems he is making the point that typical rain and snow activity look nothing like the striated linear clouds which appear red and orange . . . this is when he thinks chemtrails or some like activity is being accomplished . . . as opposed to yellow, blue and green when normal thunderstorm and snow activity is in process . . .

2) He also makes the point that doppler does not usually visualize any
cloud activity over 20,000 feet . . . however, the linear red and orange clouds in his demonstrations show some type of activity . . . he thinks they
are chemtrails because persistent contrails would not form in this low altitude when the temperature was above -40C. . .

What do you think of these issues . . .? coffee4
 Quoting: George B


What data does he have about altitude and temperature of the contrails in the images?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


He says, I believe, if I am not miskaken. . . The Doppler images by definition are 20,000 feet and below. . . And that the temperatures at 20,000 feet and below on the days of the images was never lower than . . -40C. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Yeah, using sounding data...from who knows where/when...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


Where is no problem as well as when. . . Soundings are done twice each day in Arizona . . . All one needs is the date and time and you can get the data. . . [link to weather.uwyo.edu]

72274 TUS Tucson Observations at 12Z 17 Jan 2012

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   PRES   HGHT   TEMP   DWPT   RELH   MIXR   DRCT   SKNT   THTA   THTE   THTV
    hPa     m      C      C      %    g/kg    deg   knot     K      K      K 
-------------------------------------------------------------​----------------
coffee4

Last Edited by George B on 01/19/2012 07:57 PM
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And he's STILL be wrong!

If the temperature is low enough...which it can be over a hot and dry..the relative humidity can be very high...regardless of where..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


He is not denying that said conditions don't exist in the desert Southwest. . . He is saying, in effect, statistically . . . There are fewer days of the optimal conditions for persistent contrails to exist than in other places in
the country. . . coffee4


Looking for such information . . . I cannot find maps which specifically demonstrate such data in a way that can support or deny his assumption . . .shitstir2
 Quoting: George B


So, you admit he's making assumptions...

And BTW..he emphasizes "HOT" and "DRY" as if it's just silly to believe the trails are contrails...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


Just because I could not find the information does not mean it doesn't exist . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B



*sigh*

what does that have to do with the fact that he person making that video is assuming that because it's hot and dry at ground level...that it's a reflection of the conditions at altitude.

And YOU are the one who used the word "assumption"!
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01/20/2012 06:41 AM
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What data does he have about altitude and temperature of the contrails in the images?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


He says, I believe, if I am not miskaken. . . The Doppler images by definition are 20,000 feet and below. . . And that the temperatures at 20,000 feet and below on the days of the images was never lower than . . -40C. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Yeah, using sounding data...from who knows where/when...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


Where is no problem as well as when. . . Soundings are done twice each day in Arizona . . . All one needs is the date and time and you can get the data. . . [link to weather.uwyo.edu]

72274 TUS Tucson Observations at 12Z 17 Jan 2012

-------------------------------------------------------------​----------------
   PRES   HGHT   TEMP   DWPT   RELH   MIXR   DRCT   SKNT   THTA   THTE   THTV
    hPa     m      C      C      %    g/kg    deg   knot     K      K      K 
-------------------------------------------------------------​----------------
coffee4
 Quoting: George B


I love how you act like sounding data is a reflection of real time conditions for hundreds of miles throughout the day...
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01/20/2012 06:44 AM

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I love how you act like sounding data is a reflection of real time conditions for hundreds of miles throughout the day...
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Is that what his last half-page of wall-o-texts is about?

Last Edited by SnakeAirlines on 01/20/2012 06:48 AM
"Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail"

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01/20/2012 07:42 AM

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He is not denying that said conditions don't exist in the desert Southwest.
. . He is saying, in effect, statistically . . . There are fewer days of the optimal conditions for persistent contrails to exist than in other places in
the country. . . coffee4


Looking for such information . . . I cannot find maps which specifically demonstrate such data in a way that can support or deny his assumption . . .shitstir2
 Quoting: George B


So, you admit he's making assumptions...

And BTW..he emphasizes "HOT" and "DRY" as if it's just silly to believe the trails are contrails...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027



Just because I could not find the information does not mean it doesn't exist . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B



*sigh*


what does that have to do with the fact that he person making that video is assuming that because it's hot and dry at ground level...that it's a reflection of the conditions at altitude.

And YOU are the one who used the word "assumption"!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


I will repeat myself. . . .

"He is not denying that said conditions don't exist in the desert Southwest.
. . He is saying, in effect, statistically . . . There are fewer days of the optimal conditions for persistent contrails to exist than in other places in
the country. . . coffee4"
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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. . He is saying, in effect, statistically . . . There are fewer days of the optimal conditions for persistent contrails to exist than in other places in
the country.
 Quoting: George B


Then whoever you are talking about, is a moran too...
"Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail"

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