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CHEMTRAILs are what???

 
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He says, I believe, if I am not miskaken. . . The Doppler images by
definition are 20,000 feet and below. . . And that the temperatures at 20,000 feet and below on the days of the images was never lower than . . -40C. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Yeah, using sounding data...from who knows where/when...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


Where is no problem as well as when. . . Soundings are done twice each day in Arizona . . . All one needs is the date and time and you can get the data. . . [link to weather.uwyo.edu]

72274 TUS Tucson Observations at 12Z 17 Jan 2012

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   PRES   HGHT   TEMP   DWPT   RELH   MIXR   DRCT   SKNT   THTA   THTE   THTV
    hPa     m      C      C      %    g/kg    deg   knot     K      K      K 
-------------------------------------------------------------​----------------
coffee4
 Quoting: George B


I love how you act like sounding data is a reflection of real time conditions for hundreds of miles throughout the day...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


You made it sound like there was none available at all. . . I was pointing out there was sounding data available to the public . . . And with the number of Doppler hits he may have available, there may be reasonable statistical correlations that could establish a trend. . . Same methods and criteria the persistent contrail researchers use . . . coffee4 It is not as precise as you insist is required but is good enough for atmospheric scientists who publish their research. . .
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. . He is saying, in effect, statistically . . . There are fewer days of the optimal conditions for persistent contrails to exist than in other places in
the country.
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Then whoever you are talking about, is a moran too...
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines



Prove him wrong . . . I can't. . . I find no evidence which refutes the position that the Arizona desert has fewer days suboptimal to persistent contrail formation than any other part of the country. . .coffee4
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And with the number of Doppler hits he may have available, there may be reasonable statistical correlations that could establish a trend.
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WTF are you even talking about?

lmao
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And with the number of Doppler hits he may have available, there may be reasonable statistical correlations that could establish a trend.
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WTF are you even talking about?

lmao
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If you don't understand and keep up with the Thread, please make way for people who do. . . huffy
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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And with the number of Doppler hits he may have available, there may be reasonable statistical correlations that could establish a trend.
 Quoting: George B


WTF are you even talking about?

lmao
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


If you don't understand and keep up with the Thread, please make way for people who do.
 Quoting: George B


So you have no idea what you said either, huh?

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Yeah, using sounding data...from who knows where/when...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


Where is no problem as well as when. . . Soundings are done twice each day in Arizona . . . All one needs is the date and time and you can get the data. . . [link to weather.uwyo.edu]

72274 TUS Tucson Observations at 12Z 17 Jan 2012

-------------------------------------------------------------​----------------
   PRES   HGHT   TEMP   DWPT   RELH   MIXR   DRCT   SKNT   THTA   THTE   THTV
    hPa     m      C      C      %    g/kg    deg   knot     K      K      K 
-------------------------------------------------------------​----------------
coffee4
 Quoting: George B


I love how you act like sounding data is a reflection of real time conditions for hundreds of miles throughout the day...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


You made it sound like there was none available at all. . . I was pointing out there was sounding data available to the public . . . And with the number of Doppler hits he may have available, there may be reasonable statistical correlations that could establish a trend. . . Same methods and criteria the persistent contrail researchers use . . . coffee4 It is not as precise as you insist is required but is good enough for atmospheric scientists who publish their research. . .
 Quoting: George B


It depends on the type of research. If "trends" are what one cares about...averages are fine. If one is wondering if trails would persist at the EXACT time...in the EXACT place...in the EXACT layer...then trends are useless.

Which is why the Appleman chart was created in the first place...


I don't expect you to understand...I've been through this many times before and it's gone over your head...Or, you are just too stubborn to admit I'm right...
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. . He is saying, in effect, statistically . . . There are fewer days of the optimal conditions for persistent contrails to exist than in other places in
the country.
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Then whoever you are talking about, is a moran too...
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines



Prove him wrong . . . I can't. . . I find no evidence which refutes the position that the Arizona desert has fewer days suboptimal to persistent contrail formation than any other part of the country. . .coffee4
 Quoting: George B


But, that isn't the claim he made...

That was your interpretation about what he said. He4 clearly emphasized that in general, Arizona is hot and dry and that's why he believes contrails shouldn't persist.
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Why am I not surprised that you think even dust is smart?
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Why am I not surprised that you think even dust is smart?
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


Just think about the assumptions one must make to believe what is being seen in the main video has ANYTHING to do with what's being shown in the inset!

It's like this...

"I saw a video about "smart dust"...I see things floating in the air...that means it must be smart dust....because I saw a video about it."

It's pathetic!
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"Chemtrail videos" are proof of chemtards...not of "chemtrails".
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Just think about the assumptions one must make to believe what is being seen in the main video has ANYTHING to do with what's being shown in the inset!

It's like this...

"I saw a video about "smart dust"...I see things floating in the air...that means it must be smart dust....because I saw a video about it."

It's pathetic!
 Quoting: Noble


I was thinking similar. "Oh noes! There's particles in the air, when I see them about, I sneeze, my eyes get watery and my breathing becomes a bit more labored! It's "smart dust"!!"

No, it's pollen, get some claritin, dude.
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"Chemtrail videos" are proof of chemtards...not of "chemtrails".
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This is how you debunk??..You post a comment 1 minute after a video is posted that is over 1/2 long??..Without even watching the video??..
You will never win your mission.Never!!..

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Why am I not surprised that you think even dust is smart?
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Well...

To be fair, dust IS smarter than Hammer...
"Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail"

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 Quoting: The Hammer


"Chemtrail videos" are proof of chemtards...not of "chemtrails".
 Quoting: Noble


This is how you debunk??..You post a comment 1 minute after a video is posted that is over 1/2 long??..Without even watching the video??..
You will never win your mission.Never!!..
 Quoting: The Hammer


"debunk"...WHAT?!~

And what makes you think I hadn't seen these videos before?

And what "mission" are you referring to you paranoid loon!?

Last Edited by Noble on 01/20/2012 12:37 PM
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Why am I not surprised that you think even dust is smart?
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Well...

To be fair, dust IS smarter than Hammer...
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


This is true....
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Noble is a Middle aged Mamma's boy that lives with his Mother. At one time he did have a Single Engine piloy rating, bu it was Revoked. However, Noble stated it is not that hard to fly a Jet Airliner at 500 MPH into the Twin Towers and with his Single Engine Training HE could take off and fly a Multi-Engine Jet. wtf Anyone still buying NOBLE'S bsflag NOW? What a s226 Noble is.
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Noble is a Middle aged Mamma's boy that lives with his Mother. At one time he did have a Single Engine piloy rating, bu it was Revoked. However, Noble stated it is not that hard to fly a Jet Airliner at 500 MPH into the Twin Towers and with his Single Engine Training HE could take off and fly a Multi-Engine Jet. wtf Anyone still buying NOBLE'S bsflag NOW? What a s226 Noble is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9219746


So, you don't "believe" you could fly a properly trimmed aircraft in a straight line at 500 miles an hour?!

You are so much more ignorant than you could ever imagine.



And you are a liar...

I own my own house and I don't live with my mother..

Why is it that all you chemtards are liars and story tellers?

Last Edited by Noble on 01/20/2012 01:32 PM
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Noble is a Middle aged Mamma's boy that lives with his Mother. At one time he did have a Single Engine piloy rating, bu it was Revoked. However, Noble stated it is not that hard to fly a Jet Airliner at 500 MPH into the Twin Towers and with his Single Engine Training HE could take off and fly a Multi-Engine Jet. wtf Anyone still buying NOBLE'S bsflag NOW? What a s226 Noble is.
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So, you don't "believe" you could fly a properly trimmed aircraft in a straight line at 500 miles an hour?!

You are so much more ignorant than you could ever imagine.



And you are a liar...

I own my own house and I don't live with my mother..

Why is it that all you chemtards are liars and story tellers?
 Quoting: Noble


The troofers usual answer is that the "air is too thick" to be able to fly a 757 at 500mph at 500 feet above sea level...

chuckle
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Noble is a Middle aged Mamma's boy that lives with his Mother. At one time he did have a Single Engine piloy rating, bu it was Revoked. However, Noble stated it is not that hard to fly a Jet Airliner at 500 MPH into the Twin Towers and with his Single Engine Training HE could take off and fly a Multi-Engine Jet. wtf Anyone still buying NOBLE'S bsflag NOW? What a s226 Noble is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9219746


So, you don't "believe" you could fly a properly trimmed aircraft in a straight line at 500 miles an hour?!

You are so much more ignorant than you could ever imagine.



And you are a liar...

I own my own house and I don't live with my mother..

Why is it that all you chemtards are liars and story tellers?
 Quoting: Noble


The troofers usual answer is that the "air is too thick" to be able to fly a 757 at 500mph at 500 feet above sea level...

chuckle
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


Oh Shut Up snakeairlines, you know that noble is a pure moran &sockpuppet & baby & tool
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Where is no problem as well as when. . . Soundings are done twice each day in Arizona . . . All one needs is the date and time and you can get the data. . . [link to weather.uwyo.edu]

72274 TUS Tucson Observations at 12Z 17 Jan 2012

-------------------------------------------------------------​----------------
   PRES   HGHT   TEMP   DWPT   RELH   MIXR   DRCT   SKNT   THTA   THTE   THTV
    hPa     m      C      C      %    g/kg    deg   knot     K      K      K 
-------------------------------------------------------------​----------------
coffee4
 Quoting: George B


I love how you act like sounding data is a reflection of real time conditions for hundreds of miles throughout the day...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6845027


You made it sound like there was none available at all. . . I was pointing out there was sounding data available to the public . . . And with the number of Doppler hits he may have available, there may be reasonable statistical correlations that could establish a trend. . . Same methods and criteria the persistent contrail researchers use . . . coffee4 It is not as precise as you insist is required but is good enough for atmospheric scientists who publish their research. . .
 Quoting: George B


It depends on the type of research. If "trends" are what one cares about...averages are fine. If one is wondering if trails would persist at the EXACT time...in the EXACT place...in the EXACT layer...then trends are
useless.

Which is why the Appleman chart was created in the first place...


I don't expect you to understand...I've been through this many times before and it's gone over your head...Or, you are just too stubborn to admit I'm right...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


This has to do with air temperature at and below 20,000 feet. . . .if the Doppler hits are persistent contrails the air temps would have to be -40C or below. . . The two sounding sites in Arizona in Tuscon and Flagstaff could easily show the approximate temperature trends when the Doppler images were observed . . It is rare to find -40C temperatures at 20,000 and below in Arizona. . . I bet . . . coffee4
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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Now you are alleging clouds showing up on Doppler?


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Now you are alleging clouds showing up on Doppler?


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I did not say that . . . I said Doppler Images . . . I don't know what they are . . . I know Doppler will visualize Chaff . . . and are capable of detecting the motion of rain droplets in addition to the intensity of the precipitation . . .coffee4

The images are too low (20,000 feet or less) to be conventional contrails and which should not theoretically be visible on Doppler . . . coffee4

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Thanks for all your votes. . . .moshpit


POLL: CHEMTRAILs are what???

4) CHEMTRAILs are persistent trails, contrails are not persistent   52.8% (198)

2) all trails in the sky are contrails, CHEMTRAILs don't exist   19.5% (73)

3) some trails in the sky are CHEMTRAILs but most trails are contrails   14.1% (53)

1) all trails in the sky are CHEMTRAILs, contrails are a subset of contrails   6.4% (24)

5) CHEMTRAILs nor contrails need be visible, visibility is coincidental    5.6% (21)

6) CHEMTRAILs are very rare but are occasionally seen   1.6% (6)

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Non-Blank Votes: 375
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Noble is a Middle aged Mamma's boy that lives with his Mother. At one time he did have a Single Engine piloy rating, bu it was Revoked. However, Noble stated it is not that hard to fly a Jet Airliner at 500 MPH into the Twin Towers and with his Single Engine Training HE could take off and fly a Multi-Engine Jet. wtf Anyone still buying NOBLE'S bsflag NOW? What a s226 Noble is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9219746


So, you don't "believe" you could fly a properly trimmed aircraft in a straight line at 500 miles an hour?!

You are so much more ignorant than you could ever imagine.



And you are a liar...

I own my own house and I don't live with my mother..

Why is it that all you chemtards are liars and story tellers?
 Quoting: Noble


The troofers usual answer is that the "air is too thick" to be able to fly a 757 at 500mph at 500 feet above sea level...

chuckle
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


Oh Shut Up snakeairlines, you know that noble is a pure moran &sockpuppet & baby & tool
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Coming from you...meaningless.

You are a chemtard...it's you who doesn't understand your place in society.

You are a loser...you're just too stupid to understand that.
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Noble is a Middle aged Mamma's boy that lives with his Mother. At one time he did have a Single Engine piloy rating, bu it was Revoked. However, Noble stated it is not that hard to fly a Jet Airliner at 500 MPH into the Twin Towers and with his Single Engine Training HE could take off and fly a Multi-Engine Jet. wtf Anyone still buying NOBLE'S bsflag NOW? What a s226 Noble is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9219746


So, you don't "believe" you could fly a properly trimmed aircraft in a straight line at 500 miles an hour?!

You are so much more ignorant than you could ever imagine.



And you are a liar...

I own my own house and I don't live with my mother..

Why is it that all you chemtards are liars and story tellers?
 Quoting: Noble


The troofers usual answer is that the "air is too thick" to be able to fly a 757 at 500mph at 500 feet above sea level...

chuckle
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