CHEMTRAILs are what???

I agree, that would have been my option as well.

i worked at a store that this guy with really bad b.o. would come into...when he left i could follow the trail he left to spray air freshener...couldnt see it but trail was there none the less.

I love it!

Now the kiddies CAN'T see anything, so that is PROOF that they are being sprayed...

Pure comedy gold, Johnny...

no the proof is in the article where it says it is a chemical compound being released into the clouds.

Thanks for ignoring my polite replies and generalizing.

What's more ... My liking someone is not a factor when it comes to their level of accuracy. I've never seen "are you a cool dude?" on an IQ test.

In fact, arrogance is a common condition with people of above average intelligence.

Last Edited by Sir Phydeau on 01/01/2012 11:26 AM

There certainly is a lot of moving of the goalposts on the last few pages.

Oh really?! And what are the "distinct differences" between what you people call "chemtrails" and contrails?!

If you say contrails dissipate and chemtrails persist...then you are admitting you don't know very much about contrails.

Thanks everyone for all the votes!!!!!! . . .

POLL: CHEMTRAILs are what???
4) CHEMTRAILs are persistent trails, contrails are not persistent   52.1% (49)
2) all trails in the sky are contrails, CHEMTRAILs don't exist   18.1% (17)
3) some trails in the sky are CHEMTRAILs but most trails are contrails   16.0% (15)
5) CHEMTRAILs nor contrails need be visible, visibility is coincidental    7.4% (7)
1) all trails in the sky are CHEMTRAILs, contrails are a subset of contrails   5.3% (5)
6) CHEMTRAILs are very rare but are occasionally seen   1.1% (1)
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Non-Blank Votes: 94

I always find better options after I start a poll. . . It is hard to think of all the options until people have a chance to vote. . . I am a terrible editor as well. . . Just one more of my less than perfect talents. . . .

Aerosols at some level would be used. . . .then identify the technology that would use no aerosols to effect weather or climatic change. . . ????.

Last Edited by George B on 01/01/2012 04:05 PM

The point is . . . Visibility is an emotional issue more than a proof or evidence of CHEMTRAILs. . . .conditions need to be optimal for trails to be either visible and/or persistent. . . Aerosols released by aircraft as a result of combustion, fuel additives, or as aerosols without engine throughput would only be visible from the ground for a fraction of the time they could be suspended in the atmosphere . . . They simply do NOT have to be visible to accomplish their mission . . .including geoengineering. . . i.e. Global dimming, etc. . .

Last Edited by George B on 01/01/2012 03:59 PM

I see the trolls have come out from under the bridges. Shift started, eh?

Contrails are the ordinary vapors produced by individual planes that generally disperse within a short period of time. Chemtrails are produced by a fleet of jets flying at the same time or within a certain time period, that produce a clearly defined trail, like a streak across the sky, and which lasts for hours. These frequently form criss cross patterns in the sky (or they used to) and unlike contrails which are generally short lived and stay within the area from which they are emitted, chemtrails disperse across the sky and eventually end up covering it. There are many speculations as to why chemtrailing is done, but the residual effects have been noted, which range from oddly colored clouds/formations (chembows) to residues which have been analyzed and discovered to contain a variety of substances, NOTABLY aluminum, barium and strontium.

Look, as I said to the other shills, and I can tell you are a shill by your immediate attitude of hostility, we can just LOOK UP and see these, and the effect is quite obvious. Most of us know the difference between contrails and chemtrails and have seen both. In fact, there are videos on YT of BOTH a con and chem trail TOGETHER in the same picture which shows clearly the distinction.

You can't hide this anymore and intimidation just won't work. Why don't you just go back on welfare?

George, I think you're great just to post about this topic! Don't knock yourself down (that's what the shills are for, lol).

There is no such thing as a "chemtrail", so it it quite evident that you have no clue what you are talking about...

Snake you are wrong. I'm sure that you have seen plenty of chemtrails here in Vermont as well as I have. Yes sometimes contrails too. Chemtrails, you know the ones...

VT Happy New Year !!!!! . . .

Why should she or anyone else believe your post? Why don't CHEMTRAILs exist? You made the statement . . .

Happy New Year to you too George B!!! We are kind of warm up here for this time of year. No snow where I live.
Clouds all day, so no visible trails.

George, Happy New Year, incidentally :)

I think the reason Snake and his buddies post is just to try to intimidate people into not posting about chemtrails and they're part of a larger program to silence discussion about this topic. They obviously have no interest in actually debating it, and they are invariably hostile right from the start. They express far more than the tone of someone who has a casual interest; their constant attention to these threads, and their aggressiveness and nastiness in posting, prove that they have a real vested interest in chemtrails. For example, I have no interest in religion....so I don't go on those threads. I certainly don't go on them and rail against everyone who believes whatever it is. That would be a foolish waste of time and energy.

They know they can't convince us anymore that chemtrails don't exist because too many people can just SEE them and have become aware. I'm hearing it even casually among people I know (without me bringing up the issue). It's just too obvious now. So intimidation is the only tactic left to them. That and the pathetic way they leave negative karma (without giving their handles, of course, as they are fundamentally cowards).

Happy New Year, VT! It's warm down here in Mass too, and no snow since late October! I don't mind it except it's just....kind of creepy and doesn't portend well for the general climate and growing food. Worrisome.

Lot of chemtrails down here today, planes very active esp this pm. We were discussing how we never see fluffy white clouds anymore - just these long streaks against the sky (although the chembows can be very colorful as are the sunsets). I am thinking along the lines someone else posted recently - that maybe the planes themselves are drones, which is why no pilots have spoken out about this program. Interesting supposition.

These seemed to persist at least long enough for the dogfighting planes to leave the area, troops to gather to observe the contrails and a photographer from Life Magazine to arrive and snap a few shots.


I suppose to back up your religion, you're going to say, "While they were fighting for their lives up there they were taking the opportunity to spray chemicals just for giggles."





In Colorado in the late 60s, contrail sheets were enough of a nuisance that studies were performed.





Please cite your source where someone was in the air and sampled a trail and found these components.

If you're referring to compounds found on the ground, that's obviously contaminated results and proves nothing, sorry.



You can tell someone is paid by the government to disagree with you by their attitude? Wow, you're really astute.




You know the difference between the two? I'm sorry, but this is just your assumptions backed by zero evidence. It's your faith.



Yeah, you're not hostile at all. Hypocrite. :(

Last Edited by Sir Phydeau on 01/01/2012 10:20 PM

I didn't start off being hostile to you shills, I was the one (along with the other chemtrail observers) who is always being attacked. So I snipe back, big deal. You should ask for a raise.

As I say, I'm not the one who has a strong disbelief in a certain subject...like organized religion...and hangs around to type critical posts repeatedly...like you shills. The consistent attention and belligerence you all express to this topic reveals a vested interest. Someone with only a casual interest wouldn't bother. You actually make the topic STAND OUT EVEN MORE with your obvious baiting and attempts at intimidation.

I don't know where you live, but I haven't seen any aerial dogfights around here...in, oh.... EVER. It's just foolish of you to post that crap. Laughable. I am old enough however, to remember what the sky DID look like, and what it looks like now, to know the difference. I also know the difference between regular contrails and chemtrails, both of which I've seen (and still see). I know that these are NOT regular plane routes or they would occur all the time on a regular schedule...they don't. Some days, they just aren't there at all. (It's not just the trails we see, but the actual PLANES as well.) These are not individual planes spewing the occasional vapor trail. These are FLEETS OF JETS criss-crossing the sky and leaving vertical trails that last for hours.

I could and others HAVE posted threads with actual videos demonstrating the difference between the two trails, but why bother as you're not interested anyway. You KNOW there is a difference. So does everyone else who is reading this thread.

I'm not here to do reference for you. If you have a serious and open-minded interest in this topic, you could do your own research starting with the film:

"What in the World Are They Spraying"...which is available on YouTube and which will tell you all about the lovely things they are spraying, and will tell you about the studies you are so eager to unearth.

I'm not a scientist. I'm just a middle aged person with EYES who LOOKS UP at the sky regularly and sees what's going on. And from what people - in real life, not cyber life - are telling me, I'm not alone.

Your shill mission is doomed to fail. Too many people are aware. They LOOKED UP and SAW them.

By the way...speaking of hostility....I have posted on MANY topics here on GLP and literally the ONLY one I ever get negative karma on is...chemtrails. And unfailingly whenever I post, I get nasty, negative karma from one of these obvious shills. And yet, I might disagree with a lot of people on other topics, and...no negative karma. The vested interest here is obvious. You shills should at least grow a pair and sign your handles to your negative karma.

Why are you being hostile towards ME? I've been NOTHING but polite on this thread. Please, take some prozac and calm the fuck down, thanks.

Additionally ... I'm not a "shill". I merely disagreed with you and shared evidence to back up my statements. Pretty simple really ... it's called a "discussion".

Apparently the only people you wish to communicate with MUST agree with you and feed your ego.

In closing, there are no "shills" here. No one is paid by the government to disagree with you ... sorry, you're not that important, despite what your ego says.

I know, this is a real shocker for you. The thought that someone might not think you're as brilliant as you think you are must terrify you. It certainly feeds your paranoia that I must receive funds to have my own opinion. Hmmmm, why is that? Are YOU paid to have your opinion? I think you must be since you see "shills" everywhere ... sounds like a guilty conscience to me.

Again: Stop insulting me, grow the fuck up and stop being a twat. Thank you in advance.

Oh, you disagree with others? Wow, you must be paid by the government to do so, right? I mean, no one is allowed their own opinion when you're around, are they?

HILARIOUS that you came back 6 minutes later to rant at me some more after your first post ... but you're not hostile, right?

Right now, someone's ego must be crying rivers.

Last Edited by Sir Phydeau on 01/01/2012 11:38 PM

Seems the Chemtrail debate generates more polarization energy than other debates. . . That is one of the issues I am trying to understand. . . Why? I think part of the reason is few people trust the authorities and no one really owns or properly regulates the common use of the skies of the world. . . .it is the dumping ground by the air industry and can be fouled by any corporation, military or authority that wishes to abuse it. . . .existing treaties, laws and the ethics of the international corporations are totally ineffective. . . No court has ever held anyone responsible for damages caused by its abuse. . . . From agent orange, abusive cloud seeding to zinc cadmium sulfide dispersal . . . No one has even had their hand slapped. . . .Go Figure!! . .

Wow! The weather seems unusual . . . When do you usually get snow??? When I lived in Alaska . . . My favorite time was the first snow cover. . . .

I can only speak for myself, George ... but the reason I make posts on CT threads is when I see glaring misinformation or clear misunderstanding of things. Statements like, "A contrail was never seen before the 90s!" or "EVERY trail in the sky is a spray of chemicals!". And my personal favorite: "Contrails disappear in seconds but if it lingers at all, it's chemicals sprayed by "the Man" to hurt me!"

I also often comment when someone insists they're some poor victim that is never rude to anyone ever while calling out others for not being polite while screaming "shill, shill, SHILL!" over and over. (I personally DETEST that word.)

I don't post to try to change the minds of anyone's religous worship of chemtrails. Rather, I post for those that are on the fence and might be buying into the inaccuracies that OFTEN plague these threads.

I'm sure you're well aware that I'm not directing any of that commentary in the last 3 paragraphs at you personally. But certainly you've made enough of these threads that you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Right now at this moment, I'm watching the thread again because that cunt felt a need to be hostile towards me for simply pointing out some flaws in her commentary and sharing data/images to back up MY statements. (Also, her paranoia insists that I must be paid by the government to disagree with her.) In short: she's pushed the wrong button on the wrong guy and I'm about to lose my polite demeanor and become a prick about it.

Last Edited by Sir Phydeau on 01/02/2012 12:12 AM

Yeah, tell me about it. Here in Texas, we almost never get snow ... but here is it the 1st of January and we've only had maybe 3 days so far that were not in the mid 60s. It's like the longest autumn EVER. Granted, we've still got at least a month of potentially cold days here ... but it's just weird. The last summer was a record breaker here in North Texas.

Even more on the "Weird weather" front here in N. Tx ... 2 years ago, we actually got like 18 inches of snow in the middle of January ... the weather patterns are all over the place lately.

I personally think both sides are on the defensive and have experienced personal attacks from the opposition. . . .so much in fact, patience is minimal and feelings are hurt with great frequency. . . both sides feel the truth is obvious and insults are quickly exchanged instead of debates. . . Keeping a cool head is very, very hard under the circumstances. . . .