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World at War, Official 2012 Thread for Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan, India, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S.

 
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Not much more to the recipe before all hell blows up.
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hiding
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1 day?

1 month?

2 months tops ?
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Unless Iran provokes an attack themselves this day or the next few, Israel and or the US will wait. The US will wait maybe two or three months, the Israelis will wait maybe at most until mid-January or the next new moon thereafter.

Syria may only wait days to provoke Israel along with their Hezbollah klan.

China and Russia are darned mad and may wait for three months.

If I was China I would ask North Korea to stir the heat in the coming weeks.
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To all in the group: My best wishes for 2012. May it all turn out to be a fine and peaceful year!
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Chief Israeli & Palestinian peace negotiators to meet this week for the first time in more than a year - Palestinian official

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To all in the group: My best wishes for 2012. May it all turn out to be a fine and peaceful year!
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iran wants to meet with the Big 6

Palestine wants peace


its NEVER that easy

thats an omen
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To all in the group: My best wishes for 2012. May it all turn out to be a fine and peaceful year!
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A restful, peaceful, plentiful and safe year to all of you in 2012! Can always hope.
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Have a nice 2012 year. A big hello from me also. I was looking in the google abouth the "war" in syria and I now I am here.

I hope this year.. everything to be clear.. in everywhere and the truth come's up. That is my wish. (And sorry about my bad english... I ll do my best)hf
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Middle East negotiators to meet in Jordan

­Israeli and Palestinian negotiators will meet for the first time in over a year, on the sidelines of the Middle East Quartet meeting taking place in the country. The quartet, the United States, the EU, the UN and Russia, have been concentrating all their efforts on getting representatives from Israel and the Palestine back to the negotiating table.
According to an unnamed source close to the talks, the meeting, which is expected to take place on Tuesday, is not a resumption of negotiations, but a discussion and clarification of each side’s positions and the steps needed for the peace talks to start once again.
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Have a nice 2012 year. A big hello from me also. I was looking in the google abouth the "war" in syria and I now I am here.

I hope this year.. everything to be clear.. in everywhere and the truth come's up. That is my wish. (And sorry about my bad english... I ll do my best)hf
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You're doing a great job!!
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Iran test-fires two long-range missiles

Iran has successfully tested its long-range missiles as part of the ongoing navy drills, reports IRNA news agency. The launch of the Qader and Nour systems comes on the last day of the war games near the strategic Strait of Hormuz. Earlier on Sunday, Iran tested its medium-range surface-to-air missiles.
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Iran test-fires two long-range missiles

Iran has successfully tested its long-range missiles as part of the ongoing navy drills, reports IRNA news agency. The launch of the Qader and Nour systems comes on the last day of the war games near the strategic Strait of Hormuz. Earlier on Sunday, Iran tested its medium-range surface-to-air missiles.
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Besides the normal dots - yes Serbia is being given the opportunity to buy billinons in military weaponry. Very interesting.

At the same time: Blizter is fearful of North Korea:
BLITZER’S BLOG: Nervous about North Korea
By Wolf Blitzer, CNN

I’m hearing disturbing murmurings from my national security sources in Washington about North Korea. They clearly don’t know what the new leadership in Pyongyang is going to do, but they are bracing for a possible provocation on the Korean peninsula.

The U.S. fear is that the new leader, Kim Jong Un, is going to orchestrate some risky act against South Korea to create tension. The goal would be to help consolidate his position by rallying the North Korean people around him.

Any sense of external threat from South Korea, Japan or the United States – North Korea’s three main adversaries - supposedly has a tendency to unify the North Koreans.

His father, the late Kim Jung Il, and grandfather, the late Kim Il Sung, used to do the same thing.

In 2010, just before I spent six days in North Korea, there were very dangerous incidents involving the sinking of a South Korean warship and the shelling of a South Korean island. Tensions were at a fever pitch but eventually calmed down after former U.N. Ambassador Bill Richardson’s visit to Pyongyang in December of that year. I accompanied him on that trip.

Kim Jong Un is in his late 20s and is totally inexperienced and untested. He has been named the supreme commander of the million-man North Korean military. But it remains unclear whether he is really in charge or is operating under the direction of the senior military leadership.

The stakes are enormous. North Korea’s massive army is backed by a nuclear arsenal. There are nearly a million South Korean troops backed by nearly 30,000 American forces along the demilitarized zone.

That’s why the most senior U.S. national security officials are watching North Korea very carefully right now.

One final note: While watching the Iowa caucuses and the presidential campaign, think about all the Republican candidates and President Obama and ask yourself with whom you would feel most comfortable if there were a crisis on the Korean peninsula.

[link to situationroom.blogs.cnn.com]

Wonder what is so frightening, is it the ominous troop movements and missile movements?
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Some me fear - Assad has only ‘a few weeks’ left in control: Israel "The family of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has only “a few weeks” left in control of the strife-torn country, Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak told MPs yesterday.
“The Assad family has no more than a few weeks to remain in control in Syria,” Barak told the parliament’s prestigious foreign affairs and defence committee in remarks quoted by the committee spokesman.
“There is no possibility in the current situation of evaluating what will happen the day after Bashar’s fall,” he said.
Syria has been pressing a bloody and brutal crackdown against pro-democracy activists which the UN says killed more than 5,000 people in 2011.
Barak also warned that the fall of the Assad family could have implications for the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.
“In the north, there may be possible implications from Syria on the Golan Heights and a broader area as the result of the loss of control,” he said yesterday in a separate statement released by his office. "

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So - Israel is quite concerened about the Golan, but far more concerned about the possible actions of Assad and his Klan to try to get Israel to fall before Assad does by use of wmd's.
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"One final note: While watching the Iowa caucuses and the presidential campaign, think about all the Republican candidates and President Obama and ask yourself with whom you would feel most comfortable if there were a crisis on the Korean peninsula."

Wolfy fear mongering much?

Pull out the fear card tooo boost some neo cons ratings?

Kudos M.M.; war rhetoric on MSM is heating up fresh off the new year, geez, cant they give it a rest even for one week?

- Who is Serbia buying from?
(far more volatile and ominous than the N.Korea bs)
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"One final note: While watching the Iowa caucuses and the presidential campaign, think about all the Republican candidates and President Obama and ask yourself with whom you would feel most comfortable if there were a crisis on the Korean peninsula."

Wolfy fear mongering much?

Pull out the fear card tooo boost some neo cons ratings?

Kudos M.M.; war rhetoric on MSM is heating up fresh off the new year, geez, cant they give it a rest even for one week?

- Who is Serbia buying from?
(far more volatile and ominous than the N.Korea bs)
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U.S. Making Huge $60 Billion Arms Sale to Serbia
A reliable Pentagon source confirmed that the U.S. is selling a huge $60 billion arms package to Serbia.

The source spoke on condition of anonymity because minor details are still being hammered out.

Afterwards there will be an official announcement made by the Defense Security Cooperation Agency.

The Pentagon source said the huge $60 billion arms package sale to Serbia is being made to counter the increasing dangerous militant Islamist threat in the region.
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Report: Iran tells departed US carrier not to return

Published: 01.03.12, 09:36 / Israel News


Iran's army chief told the United States that a US aircraft carrier which left the area because of Iranian naval exercises should not return to the Gulf, the state news agency reported on Tuesday.

"Iran will not repeat its warning ... the enemy's carrier has been moved to the Sea of Oman because of our drill. I recommend and emphasise to the American carrier not to return to the Persian Gulf," Ataollah Salehi told IRNA. (Reuters)

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Iran’s currency at all-time low

The Iranian rial has plunged to a historical low. It was being traded at 17,200 against the US dollar on Tuesday, reports Reuters. Last December the exchange rate was 10,500 rials per dollar. The decline follows sanctions introduced by Washington which are expected to greatly harm Iranian oil exports and financial institutions. The Iranian authorities say the drop in exchange rates is speculative, because it will be several months before the sanctions affect the real economy.

France urges Europe to slap sanctions on Iran by end of January­

France wants its European partners to agree by the end of January to place sanctions on Iran similar to those envisaged by the United, States, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said on Tuesday, as quoted by Reuters. "France ... wants sanctions toughened and the president [Nicolas Sarkozy] has made two concrete proposals on that front -- the first being the freezing of Iranian central bank assets, a tough measure, and the second an embargo on Iranian oil exports," Juppe told French news TV channel I-Tele. “Washington is already in the process of imposing such sanctions," he said."We want the Europeans to take a similar step by January 30 to show our determination.”
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Oil jumps to above $101 in Europe on concerns rising Iran tensions may threaten crude supplies.

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Report: Iran tells departed US carrier not to return

Published: 01.03.12, 09:36 / Israel News


Iran's army chief told the United States that a US aircraft carrier which left the area because of Iranian naval exercises should not return to the Gulf, the state news agency reported on Tuesday.

"Iran will not repeat its warning ... the enemy's carrier has been moved to the Sea of Oman because of our drill. I recommend and emphasise to the American carrier not to return to the Persian Gulf," Ataollah Salehi told IRNA. (Reuters)

Source: [link to www.ynetnews.com]
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Today, Iran has warned in short that the American carriers should not dare to come back into the Persian Gulf and that they will only say it once.
In analysis, why would Iran purposefully provoke the U.S.? Shortsightedness would say they simply trying to be bellicose and upping their stature. However, Iran’s leadership is proud of the fact that they look at things as a chess match and they feel they have an extra queen landing from a pawn getting to the other side of the board. Say what? Iran’s nuclear program has always been one of many pawns to use to manipulate the future. Now, years past when I have thought Iran should be attacked, Iran now proudly holds its precious nuclear program as a precious diamond queen. Iran has successfully buried and split its nuclear program into sufficient separate entities where she feels the U.S. and/or Israel cannot stop her. However, the bellicose is not just because fo that. As I have said for over a monthly, Iran has been enriching uranium up to the 90% range in quiet solitude. Israeli soil samples have proven that the enrichment is over 20% but the U.S. discounts it. She (Iran) has successfully developed at least two balls of uranium enriched over 90% that could or have been encased with high yield explosives which would then yield a high volume detonation which would yield a nuclear reaction and a very large mushroom cloud. What that means is that Iran now has what she wants and she is willing to force any issue she wishes to with the knowledge that the U.S. and Israel cannot significantly damage her program nor impact the outcome - more nuclear weapons over the coming months no matter what.

Having the nuclear queen, Iran intends to up her status and challenge the US and Israel. Back channels from Iran have already forewarned Israel and the US that Iran will stand for any further covert attacks on her nuclear program. Thus, so far, neither Israel nor US have challenged that threat. Now, we have a new threat and the US response is : Sorry, but we will do what we have been doing for decades. Looks like a stale mate, but think of this, how does the US think that Iran would act once nuclearized and more so now, once they publicly acknowledge their nuclear status.

SO much more to talk about, so little time today. Lets just say, prepping is something good to do and keeping vehicles full of gas would not hurt.

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Not to worry anyone either, but fears of Syria attacking Israel with WMD's is not far fetched.
IDF Source: Syrian Chemical Arsenal World’s Largest

A Senior IDF source says that Syria is in possession of the world’s largest chemical arsenal. A coup is expected later this year in Syria with hundreds of privates and dozens of officers defecting.

The IDF expects the situation in the Golan Heights to become highly sensitive, with more and more soldiers and civilians seen near the fence, and the possibility of the chemical arsenal making its way to the hands of the Hizbullah.
[link to www.israelnationalnews.com]
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"SO much more to talk about, so little time today. Lets just say, prepping is something good to do and keeping vehicles full of gas would not hurt."


Sounds cryptic & urgent, oh snap. Thank you MM.
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Israeli drone over Turkish-Syrian border. Battles in Syrian-Jordanian-Israeli border triangle
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report January 4, 2012, 11:48 AM (GMT+02:00)
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Israeli Eitan drone

Military tensions are building up on Syria's borders. Wednesday, Jan. 4, Turkish military sources reported sighting an Israeli Eitan (Heron) drone in the sky above the Turkish Hawk Brigade 14 stationed on the northern Syrian border at Kirikhan in the Hatay district of southern Turkey. The Israeli drone was said to have hovered over the encampment for four hours.

A request by local Turkish officers to fire anti-air missiles to down the Israeli Eitan went unanswered by the Turkish general staff until the drone was gone. According to the Turkish sources, two Turkish F-16 fighter jets were scrambled from the Diyarbakir 2nd Air Force Command Strike Center and stayed overhead as long as the Israeli drone was present.

More on: [link to www.debka.com]
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Some news worthy of consideration in the current extremely volatile climate of the MiddleEast.

There has recently been some regurgitation of the fact that Israel and the US will have a joint missile defense drill as reported in the Jerusalem Post on December 20, 2011. [link to www.jpost.com]
US military leaders have been in Israel conferring on this matter and supposedly the drill will be for mid 2012. However, there is strong concern from many sources that that is much too long to await such a test as events could precede such a drill. Some say the drill in the May-June time frame is actually the time for an attack on Iran. Again, that seems like too much time to await such a joint drill.
A. Currently, Iran is threatening to close the Straight of Hormuz and/or parties must seek permission to transit the route. The US is not seeking permission, that in itself is a flash point for the mid-east right now.
B. Further, there is strong evidence that Iran’s displeasure with new economic sanctions including banking restrictions and the formal ban of oil in the EU nations is like wise becoming a great flash point as Iran will not stand for it and says if there oil is banned, all oil going through the straight is banned.
C. Finally, Syria is losing control of its forces. Some Syrian Golani tank units have abandoned their posts and have then attacked pro-Assad forces. How much longer can Assad withstand the so far slow bleeding of his military. It seems sources now state the bleeding is moderate and there appears there is no surgery that could coagulate and stem the flow of losses and the fall into a very messy civil war. That being said, Assad is almost to the point of no return and will be forced soon to decide to flee Syria or at least attack Israel before fleeing. If he attacks Israel, at least Iran will give him sanctuary. At the same time, Iran’s defiance in the Persian Gulf could be directly related to keeping pressure off of its nukes (which coincidently is working) and also keeping pressure off of Assad, which so far is not working.

Without restating A, B, and C; it is apparent that these flashpoints could erupt at any moment thus resulting in missile attacks on Israel. Even if the purpose of the missile drill is to launch the attack on Iran, they are waiting much too long with Iran building nukes by the month. If the missile drill is only to warn Iran of the cooperation and defense pact of Israel and the US, that should be done today, not five precarious months from now. Of course the missile drill is likely being staged by Obamah only as a missile defense drill as an election ploy to show the World that Obamah is united with Israel. At the same time, could this entire drill be staged to infer the US will wait as will Israel until summer when all along these meetings are instead to finalize plans for the attack on Iran here in January or at latest February? The last is my hope as we cannot wait much longer if we are to shut down Iran’s nuclear engine. Finally, dates and timelines are rarely correct for anyone. One change in an operational plan could easily push a plan another month down the road, as we saw in December.

Final thoughts, some websites on prepping are discussing that 2012 is it, and all hell breaks loose before summer without inferring directly into why they think that way. I too feel that that is true and have prayed on it many times and though I by no means am 100% sure but the answer given was to be prepped by or near the 20th of January this year. Simply, take this as my own personal warning to myself, but by no means is it a date for things to happen, but merely the date answered as to when I should be prepped.
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Some news worthy of consideration in the current extremely volatile climate of the MiddleEast.

There has recently been some regurgitation of the fact that Israel and the US will have a joint missile defense drill as reported in the Jerusalem Post on December 20, 2011. [link to www.jpost.com]
US military leaders have been in Israel conferring on this matter and supposedly the drill will be for mid 2012. However, there is strong concern from many sources that that is much too long to await such a test as events could precede such a drill. Some say the drill in the May-June time frame is actually the time for an attack on Iran. Again, that seems like too much time to await such a joint drill.
A. Currently, Iran is threatening to close the Straight of Hormuz and/or parties must seek permission to transit the route. The US is not seeking permission, that in itself is a flash point for the mid-east right now.
B. Further, there is strong evidence that Iran’s displeasure with new economic sanctions including banking restrictions and the formal ban of oil in the EU nations is like wise becoming a great flash point as Iran will not stand for it and says if there oil is banned, all oil going through the straight is banned.
C. Finally, Syria is losing control of its forces. Some Syrian Golani tank units have abandoned their posts and have then attacked pro-Assad forces. How much longer can Assad withstand the so far slow bleeding of his military. It seems sources now state the bleeding is moderate and there appears there is no surgery that could coagulate and stem the flow of losses and the fall into a very messy civil war. That being said, Assad is almost to the point of no return and will be forced soon to decide to flee Syria or at least attack Israel before fleeing. If he attacks Israel, at least Iran will give him sanctuary. At the same time, Iran’s defiance in the Persian Gulf could be directly related to keeping pressure off of its nukes (which coincidently is working) and also keeping pressure off of Assad, which so far is not working.

Without restating A, B, and C; it is apparent that these flashpoints could erupt at any moment thus resulting in missile attacks on Israel. Even if the purpose of the missile drill is to launch the attack on Iran, they are waiting much too long with Iran building nukes by the month. If the missile drill is only to warn Iran of the cooperation and defense pact of Israel and the US, that should be done today, not five precarious months from now. Of course the missile drill is likely being staged by Obamah only as a missile defense drill as an election ploy to show the World that Obamah is united with Israel. At the same time, could this entire drill be staged to infer the US will wait as will Israel until summer when all along these meetings are instead to finalize plans for the attack on Iran here in January or at latest February? The last is my hope as we cannot wait much longer if we are to shut down Iran’s nuclear engine. Finally, dates and timelines are rarely correct for anyone. One change in an operational plan could easily push a plan another month down the road, as we saw in December.

Final thoughts, some websites on prepping are discussing that 2012 is it, and all hell breaks loose before summer without inferring directly into why they think that way. I too feel that that is true and have prayed on it many times and though I by no means am 100% sure but the answer given was to be prepped by or near the 20th of January this year. Simply, take this as my own personal warning to myself, but by no means is it a date for things to happen, but merely the date answered as to when I should be prepped.
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Russia & Iran agree on further cooperation over Iranian nuclear program

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That is true and it is true that Turkey met with Iran today and they have again stated their terriroty could not be used for any Iranian attack.
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That is true and it is true that Turkey met with Iran today and they have again stated their terriroty could not be used for any Iranian attack.
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yes i have heard about turkey meeting with them today, and

Iran says Turkey is the best place for further talks with world powers about Iran's nuclear program

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That is true and it is true that Turkey met with Iran today and they have again stated their terriroty could not be used for any Iranian attack.
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yes i have heard about turkey meeting with them today, and

Iran says Turkey is the best place for further talks with world powers about Iran's nuclear program

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Reading DEBKA, one would think things will come to a quick skirmish in the Persian Gulf very soon. However, if you look at the entrie website, it is all very doom and gloom war with Iran.

I can see it coming, but ya do not know when. There will be a war, but a skirmish seems to be something more likely in the next week or so. In fact, there is truth that Obamah would like to keep any military action very limited at the moment jsut like the Reagan/Bush Era. The purpose, is to buy time for when Obamah is ready to act. He does not liek others telling him when and what to do.
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‘America preparing military intervention in Syria’

Damascus is criticizing the US for sending an envoy to Cairo's Arab League discussions about ending the Assad regime’s crackdown on dissent. London-based political analyst Chris Bambery says the US is preparing for a military intervention in Syria.
­According to Barbery, sanctions against Syria are only the beginning of Western intervention. "The key ally in this enterprise, Turkey, has been involved with the Free Syrian Army – training them, and we know there are also American advisers in those camps in Turkey," he says. And, "when you combine all that – sanctions, diplomatic moves, the involvement with the Free Syrian Army, it begins to create a dynamic that though perhaps the Americans don’t want involvement in the military operation in Syria, they can pull it in that direction.”
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Obama Describes Refocused Strategy for Leaner Military

President Obama outlined a broad new military strategy for the United States on Thursday, one that refocuses the armed forces on threats in Asia and the Pacific region, continues a strong presence in the Middle East but makes clear that American ground forces will no longer be large enough to conduct prolonged, large-scale counterinsurgency campaigns like those in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In an unusual appearance in the Pentagon briefing room, Mr. Obama put his mark on a military strategy that moves away from the grinding wars he inherited from the Bush administration and relies more on naval and air power in the Pacific and the Strait of Hormuz as a counterbalance to China and Iran.
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BREAKING . . .

Israel, US to stage major defense drill
Thousands of Israeli, US troops to take part in largest-ever joint drill, officials say; expert: Missile defense exercise meant to press Iran.
The IDF spokesman did not give a date for the drill Thursday, but a senior military official said it would be in the next few weeks. He was speaking on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue.
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Seems like Obamah listened to my rant earlier. That Window in January is looking pretty certain now for an attack.

We will keep the index at 10.7 for the moment but it will ratchet up.

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