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World at War, Official 2012 Thread for Israel, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, PA, Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan, India, North Korea, Russia, China, U.S.

 
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i guess iran got photo shop working again..

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Swin, (my quote button is not working), my comment was vague, i apologize. what i should have said was that political allegiances/parties should not fluctuate alliances. I say that in the shadow of the obama admin seemingly reversing 40 plus years of international maneuvering.

aka.. Obama has given up on Israel and focused on establishing a cooperative regime to rule the middle east.
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Obama regulary compared himself to JFK, but JFk atleast had the stones to stand up to an enemy and a strong one at that. Actions always speak louder than words and right now all there has been is words of late, time for some action. RIGHT NOW. AMERICA NEEDS TO ACT OR WE REVERSE 50 YEARS OF STRATEGY.

Every day we wait is another day the enemy gets stronger.. its either us or our children. I'd rather subject myself to that.
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Swin, (my quote button is not working), my comment was vague, i apologize. what i should have said was that political allegiances/parties should not fluctuate alliances. I say that in the shadow of the obama admin seemingly reversing 40 plus years of international maneuvering.

aka.. Obama has given up on Israel and focused on establishing a cooperative regime to rule the middle east.
 Quoting: Major-General Orde Wingate


this is a really serious issue for major powers. changing administrations can't help but effect foreign policy. the key, no matter what the current administration's feelings about various things, is to shift slowly -- nobody should feel the us might give up on thier country just because the president changed. and nobody in the us should feel that their country is ignoring major security concerns out of paritsan, personal or ideological dislike for a country. but if the us keep on electing presidents that want to, say, cut israel loose, the us should do that. But when i say sooner or later I mean four or five elections in a row. by the time a country is cut loose it should no longer be possible for it to be under the illusion america is its best friend.

that's the real problem here, i think.
but keep this in mind -- deciding to invade syria because its leader is doing what syrian leaders have been doing for fifty years is no less of a policy reversal than cutting israel loose. barging in on what is arguably another nuclear power's "area of influence" -- same thing.
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and i'll say this, too. it's never been us policy that islamist countries that support terrorism can't develop nuclear weapons if they want to. one word: pakistan.
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the nukes in pakistan are in effect the same as the jupiters placed in turkey in the 60's. they are ultimately under american control and can be overridden at any time. Iran however, because of sanctions has been able to develop a new strategy soley dependant upon itself and has thrived at it.
thus we don't have control over it and fear it by nature.
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the nukes in pakistan are in effect the same as the jupiters placed in turkey in the 60's. they are ultimately under american control and can be overridden at any time. Iran however, because of sanctions has been able to develop a new strategy soley dependant upon itself and has thrived at it.
thus we don't have control over it and fear it by nature.
 Quoting: Major-General Orde Wingate


and that's the other problem of great powers -- your reasons are ones that can't really be spoken about in public. i hate the iranian regime, but reading what you just wrote makes me think they may have a point. imagine what people who aren't predisposed to loathe the ayatollahs must think when they read that.
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and damn i hope you're right about those pakistan nukes. you sure they won't use them against india if push comes to shove? absolutely sure? because if india was that sure it would be pointless for pakistan to have them.
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the nukes in pakistan are in effect the same as the jupiters placed in turkey in the 60's. they are ultimately under american control and can be overridden at any time. Iran however, because of sanctions has been able to develop a new strategy soley dependant upon itself and has thrived at it.
thus we don't have control over it and fear it by nature.
 Quoting: Major-General Orde Wingate


and that's the other problem of great powers -- your reasons are ones that can't really be spoken about in public. i hate the iranian regime, but reading what you just wrote makes me think they may have a point. imagine what people who aren't predisposed to loathe the ayatollahs must think when they read that.
 Quoting: Swinburnian


It may not sound too good but its true. Do you really thing any country would sell another country military technology without backloadibg it with some sort of spy/Trojan horse virus allowing it a back door access.

And yes, I'm a firm believer that the united states has sided with India long term as they out number the pakistanis and pose a historical threat to the chinese. India and america are symbiotic. As are America and Canada in all but colors and name. Our families fight together on the beaches of Normandy and Inchon. And I personally met many yucks in the terrible valleys of Afghanistan.
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What do you mean war index is 10.99 out of what?
 Quoting: luke777


I went back into time and wow, how things have changed but have not. Things were much cheerier back in 2011, but the war index got to 10.9 a few times. Now things are much gloomier.

My reasoning on this index was: Based upon events and all, I have developed a scale from 1-11 for regional war in the MiddleEast where 1 is long cherished peace and 11 is all out war.

From there we are so close to all out war, but while I am on vacation I may try to lower the index and see how long we can keep it there. Let m sleep on it.
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the nukes in pakistan are in effect the same as the jupiters placed in turkey in the 60's. they are ultimately under american control and can be overridden at any time. Iran however, because of sanctions has been able to develop a new strategy soley dependant upon itself and has thrived at it.
thus we don't have control over it and fear it by nature.
 Quoting: Major-General Orde Wingate


and that's the other problem of great powers -- your reasons are ones that can't really be spoken about in public. i hate the iranian regime, but reading what you just wrote makes me think they may have a point. imagine what people who aren't predisposed to loathe the ayatollahs must think when they read that.
 Quoting: Swinburnian


Everything depends on stability, the economic outlook, political calculations, and military expeditions. Iran prevents the west from stability and thus must be destroyed, plain and simple.

It's no different than the threat Alexander faced at gaugamela or zhukov faced at stalingrad. Stability must be maintained or a nation will collapse from within as the Romans did.
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Daily closing of border between India & Pakistan‏

Well, here’s proof that not everything was lost when the Brit’s pulled out - they taught them how to dance!!

Just adding some culture to the thread

This video is both fascinating and funny. This is how the border between India and Pakistan is closed every evening!
This is not a Monty Python comedy skit but it does resemble one. Keep in mind that each of these countries have nuclear weapons....

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Daily closing of border between India & Pakistan‏

Well, here’s proof that not everything was lost when the Brit’s pulled out - they taught them how to dance!!

Just adding some culture to the thread

This video is both fascinating and funny. This is how the border between India and Pakistan is closed every evening!
This is not a Monty Python comedy skit but it does resemble one. Keep in mind that each of these countries have nuclear weapons....

[link to www.wimp.com]
 Quoting: Gerry52


That was actually kinda neat.
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Al-Jadeed: An Israeli jet blew up a spy device discovered by Hizbullah on one of its telecom cables.

Al-Manar: The Zrariyeh explosion was caused by Israel bombing a spy device discovered by Hizbullah on one of its telecommunications cable.

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 Quoting: tarfonwxx


Not the first time this has happenned.

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 Quoting: MIL MAN


just hope some hezbollah got taken out with it
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I could only think that there is a warning label on the device that says, you have discovered hi-tech equipment that will detonate in one minute, drop this devise and run or you will be terminated with it as noone is ever killed by these devices detonating.
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Debka: It was blown by a self-detonating device operated by remote control, although it could have been the work of an Israeli drone operating from Israeli air space or out at sea. No comment has come from Israel.

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U.S. Adds Forces in Persian Gulf, a Signal to Iran

The United States has quietly moved significant military reinforcements into the Persian Gulf to deter the Iranian military from any possible attempt to shut the Strait of Hormuz and to increase the number of fighter jets capable of striking deep into Iran if the standoff over its nuclear program escalates.

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Iran builds up strategic reserve of wheat

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Iran's ownership of three islands, is certain
Army News: Advisor Representative of Supreme Leader of Islamic Revolution Iranian Revolutionary Guards said Iran's ownership of three islands is determined based on historical documents and certificates, and claims they will not create a change in reality.

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Obama going public tomorrow 4th of July
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So Obama has a vast amount of American troops preparing for largest "excersize" in history @ Israel.

The same Obama who turned Libya into a gang land paradise that is currently unloading its seized weapon cashes into Gaza, via Egypt a place, thanks to Obama, that has been taken over by the gang of gangs aiming to realize the "Great Dream."

Great Dream: Jerusalem transformed into an Arab Capital after the genocide of jewish people is complete: The heart of the campaign is to monopolize the fear of God for ultimate control of mens minds, body, and soul. What better for of oppression than Islam for a dictator to control the masses with? Obama Muslim call to prayer: “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

From south we take a turn to the east where Saudi troops are allegedly massing into Jordan to join into the frey. meanwhile Turkey is funneling the (Rebel) Free Army down past its boarders and through Syria, while amassing its own military for an invasion.

Make no mistake about it, the chaotic frenzy sweeping across the Arab region becomes structured when viewed throught the lens of Jerusalem. From Jerusalem the structure of this tsunami emerges like a hurricane poised to come crashing down on Israel who just so happens to be in the eye of the Arab storm.

Mubarak and Gaddafi are down, now Assad alone stands in the way of the tsunami crashing down on Israel. These three leaders have failed in their endeavor to take out Israel, now they are being replaced with more aggressive leadership in regards to the endeavor of the dream. Can you see structure in the form of chaos.

The prize is Jerusalem, and it appears this could turn into a dog fight for it from all directions, especially with Iran feeling left out of the spoils, while Egypt is already claiming Jerusalem as its capital. Is it no wonder Iran just wants to annihilate the entire region? I've not even touched on Russia & China's alleged war games with Iran and Syria.

I can't help but wonder whether or not Obama may be aiming to take Jerusalem for himself, and turn it into the capital of the world, in an attempt to make it the home to his throne? Obama does not need permission from congress to invade any nation. With no birth certificate what is to stop Obama from declaring himself Mahdi, the Muslim Messiah
who has finally emerged to deliver the world from its occupation of infidels? End times are starting to heat up to the crescendo of the second coming of the actual messiah given the fact that the end time leader who allies with the false prophet (Mohamed) will only get 3 1/2 years to rule, Obama has been in power for 3 1/2 years this month, and imagine that Israel is on the verge of war being prophetically surrounded.

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As for the rebel army, there are actually two factions. The first is the Free Syrian Army, led by Mustafa El-Sheiq. The second body is the Syrian National Assembly, a less violent faction concentrated more on non-violent resistance. In general, the makeup of these armies is unclear, with their numbers estimated between 5,000 and 40,000. It is hard to define who comprises these groups. It is known that most of the rebels are Sunni, and yet the Muslim Brothers are active and there are also Shiite factions associated with Al-Qaeda. Each group has different objectives and aspirations...
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That's why I wondered the other day, why Obama is so keen on implementing religious extremism in those yet secular arab countries.

Why are al quaida elements together with other terrorists and muslim hardliners now called "liberation army" ?

There is a bigger plan in works. Something not good for Israel.
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Israel is the prize and this is why the radical elements are so hell bent on joining eachother to get the leaders who have failed to take out Israel out of the way to make room for those who can.
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the nukes in pakistan are in effect the same as the jupiters placed in turkey in the 60's. they are ultimately under american control and can be overridden at any time. Iran however, because of sanctions has been able to develop a new strategy soley dependant upon itself and has thrived at it.
thus we don't have control over it and fear it by nature.
 Quoting: Major-General Orde Wingate


and that's the other problem of great powers -- your reasons are ones that can't really be spoken about in public. i hate the iranian regime, but reading what you just wrote makes me think they may have a point. imagine what people who aren't predisposed to loathe the ayatollahs must think when they read that.
 Quoting: Swinburnian


Everything depends on stability, the economic outlook, political calculations, and military expeditions. Iran prevents the west from stability and thus must be destroyed, plain and simple.

It's no different than the threat Alexander faced at gaugamela or zhukov faced at stalingrad. Stability must be maintained or a nation will collapse from within as the Romans did.
 Quoting: Major-General Orde Wingate


that's as maybe, but my point is this quest for stability means a great power will always be mistrusted, and rightly so. imagine meeting you new neighbour -- six foot 4, 220 pounds, filthy rich and carrying. "Hi," he says, "I'm Mike. I mistrust everything I don't control -- feel it should be destroyed, plain and simple."

Uh, hi ....

"The west", btw, isn't a nation and doesn't have interests that are identical to those of the us.
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Obama going public tomorrow 4th of July
with announcements about new peace plan
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What peace plan?
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Obama going public tomorrow 4th of July
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What peace plan?
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the new one

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Obama going public tomorrow 4th of July
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What peace plan?
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the new one

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yeah that is about as likely as me winning the mega millions jackpot tounge
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Obama going public tomorrow 4th of July
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What peace plan?
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the new one

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Peace between what entities? Israel and Palestine?
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Obama going public tomorrow 4th of July
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What peace plan?
 Quoting: luke777


the new one

cool2
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Peace between what entities? Israel and Palestine?
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overall peace. everywhere. forever.














no, seriously, i have no idea.
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14:22 Turkey says scrambles jet fighters for third day after Syria choppers fly near border

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Do you have a link for that jul 4th peace announcement or you just made it up?
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Do you have a link for that jul 4th peace announcement or you just made it up?
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i didn't even post it. i posted a response to your question asking about it.
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Do you have a link for that jul 4th peace announcement or you just made it up?
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someone made it up
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