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visitor User ID: 8218216 United Kingdom 01/03/2012 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | calm down and START HERE Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1169966 [link to www.earthclinic.com] google bht google hepC cures youtube and read the other postings on earth clinic as other things are also given along with this bht---they found that grapefruit/citrus kill virus very very well/etc A lot of people desperate for a cure on that page, nobody but the advocate of BHT gets SVR. The viral drops that are been reported are not large. You would be taken of standard treatment with those drops has it would be considered ineffective. Protease inhibitors in 75% of cases of hep c genotype 1 cause undetectably levels of the virus in 4wks. Thats on average a viral load of 6million plus to undectable in 4 weeks. A lot of these clearance accounts where somebody miraculously cleared hep c in the 90's are based on antibody tests. They were designed to skew towards false positive for obvious reasons and many tests when redone came back has negative. The only effective tests are PCR viral tests. In response to other posters, if you look at Anthony Keidis story he only mentions anti-body tests. |
visitor User ID: 8218216 United Kingdom 01/03/2012 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: visitor 8212298 I know about Anthony kiedis. what is worrying is that you are basing treatment and advice on one unsubstantiated internet report. I thought what you said about finding the right specialist was spot on. Why would he get recurrence if he was clear after 24 wks? That is much rarer than spontaneous clearance. I'm not giving any advice, just commenting on the comment. After doing the herbals he showed no antibodies, but that doesn't indicate a complete eradication of the disease. This also occurred in the early 90s, quite possibly before he quite using needles. That combined with multiple sex partners, at the least he needed to act responsibly towards anyone he was having sex with. I've heard good reports about MMS (sic), but if true, it would load the liver. Jim Humble states it is an effective chelator and if so would mean that mercury, lead and other heavy minerals would be dumped into the liver. As for the metabolites of the treatment themselves, I would expect they too would load the liver. Like the interferon treatments, it all depends upon how healthy you are to begin with and how much the liver has been damaged. I know someone who had the best of treatment but refused to stop drinking. In the end, his death was horrific. My apologies I got posts mixed up.Has somebody had hep c and did a lot of research into treatments, I was getting annoyed by advice that is just wrong and in some cases dangerous. My life was on the line my research was thorough. I have also heard good things about jim humbles treatment but when I came to check its success with hep c it all got nowhere. People have taken taken the treatment and had pcr viral tests before and after. None showed any improvement in viral load. The couple of testimonials on the site saying they had cleared hep c were so vague and didn't actually sound like hep c sufferers you couldn't base a life decision of that magnitude on them. No problem, I just wanted to clear that up. It's a devastating disease once it take ahold. If it were me, the first thing I would do would be to try a series of intravenous drips of vitamin C, but according to Dr. Cathcart's formulation, not the widely available pharmaceutical variety. That type destroys veins. As for some of the other suggestions, milk thistle is a valid cleanser and protectant; worthy of taking, but it isn't a cure. While oregano oil, grapefruit extract, and olive leaf are excellent antivirals, I'd place no faith in them unless I knew for a fact that they could reach the liver to do their work. I have my doubts they would, but they could lessen the presence. Someone mentioned L-glutathione, and that would be an excellent protectant, but oral intake is essentially worthless. You'd do better taking N-acetyl-cystiene as a precursor to glutathione's production. Again, that would depend upon the health of your liver as to whether it could perform the conversion. Creating a bolus of powdered glutathione would be worth a shot, or find a doctor willing to administer it intravenously. I'm very wary of MMS. I've heard good things on one particular forum regarding its effect on sufferers, but as you pointed out, no one has posted a negative PCR test. I suspect it's much like some of the other anti-virals; working outside of the liver, or perhaps merely a placebo effect in giving sufferers a sense of control over their condition. I wish you well in your fight. Thanks for the good wishes. I am clear of hep c genotype 1. was treated with a combo treatment of tmc435(protease inhibitor), interferon and ribaviron. After extensive research and trying to avoid conventional treatment that was what offered the best odds. Ironically on the treatment at the same time has me was a man who had been involved with alternative medicine for 20+years. He ran quite a large clinic and at tried all sorts over the last 10 years. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8218216 United Kingdom 01/03/2012 10:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Long since debunked. The only effective milk thistle results were from silymarin which showed some benefit to the liver but did nothing to stop the progression hep c. there has been a lot of clinical trials with these things, some run by the manufacturers of milk thistle. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1580794 United States 01/03/2012 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There was a thread on this topic just a a couple of weeks ago--look for that, all these issues were discussed. The rise in Hep C is because of the rise in chemicals, toxicity, processed foods in modern life which lead to fatty / damaged / congested livers. Hep C virus "hides out" in damaged liver cells. So fighting the virus is difficult because it always hides in the damaged liver--sort of like spraying your house for termites but termites hide out underground and keep coming back. It is very important to clean out and heal the liver which eliminates Hep C virus hide out--see curezone.com liver flush support forum as modern medicine has zero concept of cleaning out a liver. Then attack the virus (it has no place to hide) with multiple sources such as MMS, ozone etc. Also build the immune system with pure quality natural diet--eliminate all processed foods, sugar etc. Quality diet also lowers toxic load on the liver as a natural diet has no toxic chemicals in processed foods. Modern medicine only attacks Hep C on one front, you can attack it on three. Got to think outside the box if you want success. |
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visitor User ID: 8218216 United Kingdom 01/03/2012 10:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There was a thread on this topic just a a couple of weeks ago--look for that, all these issues were discussed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580794 The rise in Hep C is because of the rise in chemicals, toxicity, processed foods in modern life which lead to fatty / damaged / congested livers. Hep C virus "hides out" in damaged liver cells. So fighting the virus is difficult because it always hides in the damaged liver--sort of like spraying your house for termites but termites hide out underground and keep coming back. It is very important to clean out and heal the liver which eliminates Hep C virus hide out--see curezone.com liver flush support forum as modern medicine has zero concept of cleaning out a liver. Then attack the virus (it has no place to hide) with multiple sources such as MMS, ozone etc. Also build the immune system with pure quality natural diet--eliminate all processed foods, sugar etc. Quality diet also lowers toxic load on the liver as a natural diet has no toxic chemicals in processed foods. Modern medicine only attacks Hep C on one front, you can attack it on three. Got to think outside the box if you want success. The spread of hep c is because of needles be it for medical or recreational use. Its been around for thousands of years. Completely agree about fats, diet chemicals, modern lifestyles damaging livers and having a healthier lifestyle will help treatment. So would all the doctors I have met who regularly treat the disease. Has yet I have seen no evidence that any of of the treatments, ozone, mms, etc have ever removed the hep c virus. Would love to see some but apart from rather vague anecdotal evidence flying around the internet seen nothing. |
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rosie80 User ID: 8230097 United States 01/03/2012 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For starters .. diet .. you have to eliminate all toxins ..which includes meat and pesticides .. also all processed foods start from scratch .. Start with a fast .. three days of teas, liquids, chicken broth, or vegetable broth, all the jello you want .. no solids .. then the following few days introduce raw vegetables with vinegar or lemon juice .. they can be lightly steamed with sea salt only .. then introduce fruit for a day or two with the veges .. sugar causes bacterial growth .. and after your intestines are stripped of bacteria .. its easy for sugar to thrive .. During all this drink three fresh lemon juice .. squeezed right before hand .. also stargt milk thistle all day every day .. Make sure to eliminate all alcohol, drugs, un-needed medications, or other toxins .. Also drink at least ten cus a day of water .. ..and soon hopefully you will go into remission.. For someone with hep c .. prevention is the best tx .. once you get into remission ..stay healthy and don't go back to remission .. |
rosie80 User ID: 8230097 United States 01/03/2012 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There was a thread on this topic just a a couple of weeks ago--look for that, all these issues were discussed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580794 The rise in Hep C is because of the rise in chemicals, toxicity, processed foods in modern life which lead to fatty / damaged / congested livers. Hep C virus "hides out" in damaged liver cells. So fighting the virus is difficult because it always hides in the damaged liver--sort of like spraying your house for termites but termites hide out underground and keep coming back. It is very important to clean out and heal the liver which eliminates Hep C virus hide out--see curezone.com liver flush support forum as modern medicine has zero concept of cleaning out a liver. Then attack the virus (it has no place to hide) with multiple sources such as MMS, ozone etc. Also build the immune system with pure quality natural diet--eliminate all processed foods, sugar etc. Quality diet also lowers toxic load on the liver as a natural diet has no toxic chemicals in processed foods. Modern medicine only attacks Hep C on one front, you can attack it on three. Got to think outside the box if you want success. The spread of hep c is because of needles be it for medical or recreational use. Its been around for thousands of years. Completely agree about fats, diet chemicals, modern lifestyles damaging livers and having a healthier lifestyle will help treatment. So would all the doctors I have met who regularly treat the disease. Has yet I have seen no evidence that any of of the treatments, ozone, mms, etc have ever removed the hep c virus. Would love to see some but apart from rather vague anecdotal evidence flying around the internet seen nothing. Today it may be .. but also from sharing straws and dollar bills when using, along with intercourse especially anal .. and mother to baby is also other ways .. the most hep c patients were vets .. plenty from the middle east!? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8185968 United States 01/03/2012 11:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I"ve just joined, been checking out the posts, and I can only find posts that are years old! I'm dying, need help with this disease. Please offer any good information you may have for me! Quoting: ImReady thanks! Maybe you should have listened to the people telling you to never stick a needle in your arm, you skank ho junkie. Now you want a cure? You still haven't learned to listen, how do you perceive that you deserve a cure? Maybe you should research the disease more. A large percentage of those now getting treatment for hep c got it from blood transfusions and poor medical practice. Most hep c patients I have met are women in there 50's who got the disease from blood transfusions when giving birth. Most go undiagnosed for years. I am male and wasnt diagnosed accurately 10 years because I live in a very nice rural area am not an IV user and come across has a successful professional person. The docs never even considered looking for hep c because of the myth that its only a junkies disease. Bullshit asswipe. |
firmament User ID: 5374773 Germany 01/04/2012 02:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi OP, Quoting: firmament sorry to hear about your suffering of Hepatitis C. Find a good Homeopath he can help you!! You need to find out which Hepatitis C Virus infected you. HFV, TTV or the "normal" Hepatitis C Virus. A good Homeopath can answer this question and find the Stimuli-Essence/Globuli you need. I know of what I talk about. I'm a living example for the cure. GOD BLESS Your the first person I have come across who has been cured of hep c by homoeopathic medicine? Does that mean that PCR tests show you has virus free or is it you can live with the virus? What genotype was it and what sort of viral load did you have. The couple of homoeopathic practitioners I saw were quite clear that they had never been able to completely cure the hep c virus. Hi visitor, I will provide evidence this afternoon.(have to go to work now) I can even give you the number of the Homeopath I went to. Although he is in Germany he speaks english(of course)fluently. He is a Doctor, a real authority a luminary, working with people all over the world. GOD BLESS PS: I was tested negative after 7 month. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8243073 South Africa 01/04/2012 03:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lots of good info going on in the posts here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8202220 Whichever route you take, you need to have professional guidance along the way as you cannot play with your life. You also need to take responsibility for your health and get involved with the decisions that are taken and the treatments that are administered. I am in the alternative medical field and my 1st route of approach would be to go for a course of Ozone treatments alternated with Vit C IV. This process should take around 6 weeks, depending on how intensely you do the treatments. At that point you can then re test and then make the next decision. There are things like the Milk Thistle that other have mentioned that you can add in etc, but I'd make the above the PRIMARY treatment. Of course you need to find a COMPETENT practitioner to manage the treatments and course of action and THAT is probably the most difficult part. My prayers for your full recovery are already offered. Blessngs. Hi, have you ever known anybody cleared of the hep c virus using ozone treatment? I find it odd having spent years on hep c forums with thousands of people with the disease not one has ever reported this has a successful method. That includes many who come from a background of alternative medicine. Its been around a long time now so its not a new therapy. I know the theory, at one time conventional medicine thought ribavirin worked by a similar process and with there normal callousness used various blood transfusions to check it out. They found the idea to be completely wrong. Yes, we deal with people who have been cured using this protocol. If you're in the USA a good starting point would likely be either Dr Frank Schallenberger or Dr Robert Rowan. These guys are likely to be able to assist you. |
visitor User ID: 8218216 United Kingdom 01/04/2012 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lots of good info going on in the posts here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8202220 Whichever route you take, you need to have professional guidance along the way as you cannot play with your life. You also need to take responsibility for your health and get involved with the decisions that are taken and the treatments that are administered. I am in the alternative medical field and my 1st route of approach would be to go for a course of Ozone treatments alternated with Vit C IV. This process should take around 6 weeks, depending on how intensely you do the treatments. At that point you can then re test and then make the next decision. There are things like the Milk Thistle that other have mentioned that you can add in etc, but I'd make the above the PRIMARY treatment. Of course you need to find a COMPETENT practitioner to manage the treatments and course of action and THAT is probably the most difficult part. My prayers for your full recovery are already offered. Blessngs. Hi, have you ever known anybody cleared of the hep c virus using ozone treatment? I find it odd having spent years on hep c forums with thousands of people with the disease not one has ever reported this has a successful method. That includes many who come from a background of alternative medicine. Its been around a long time now so its not a new therapy. I know the theory, at one time conventional medicine thought ribavirin worked by a similar process and with there normal callousness used various blood transfusions to check it out. They found the idea to be completely wrong. Yes, we deal with people who have been cured using this protocol. If you're in the USA a good starting point would likely be either Dr Frank Schallenberger or Dr Robert Rowan. These guys are likely to be able to assist you. Your recommending somebody who has lost his medical licence in California, has repeatedly been charged with malpractice in Nevada. This is professional guidance? One of which was to diagnose colon cancer has haemorrhoids. I checked a number of hep c forums last night to see if anybody had any success with ozone therapy. 10's of thousands of people who actually have or had the disease. It was easy to find people who tried it and not one did it work for. Why is it I can not find any credible account of it working? And why has nobody who has been successfully treated by ozone treatment never gone to an Hep c forum to share the good news? |
firmament User ID: 5374773 Germany 01/04/2012 11:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi OP, Quoting: firmament sorry to hear about your suffering of Hepatitis C. Find a good Homeopath he can help you!! You need to find out which Hepatitis C Virus infected you. HFV, TTV or the "normal" Hepatitis C Virus. A good Homeopath can answer this question and find the Stimuli-Essence/Globuli you need. I know of what I talk about. I'm a living example for the cure. GOD BLESS Your the first person I have come across who has been cured of hep c by homoeopathic medicine? Does that mean that PCR tests show you has virus free or is it you can live with the virus? What genotype was it and what sort of viral load did you have. The couple of homoeopathic practitioners I saw were quite clear that they had never been able to completely cure the hep c virus. Hi visitor, I will provide evidence this afternoon.(have to go to work now) I can even give you the number of the Homeopath I went to. Although he is in Germany he speaks english(of course)fluently. He is a Doctor, a real authority a luminary, working with people all over the world. GOD BLESS PS: I was tested negative after 7 month. Back again to continue, I was cured of Hepatitis C 11 years ago, (along with other bad stuff one doesn't need) since then I have been continuously (once a year) tested negative. Dr. Ohliger (my Homeopath)is a Doctor of Naturopathy and Homeopathy. He works with the principle of electro-acupuncture according to Dr. Voll. If you know a Homeopath around were you live at those two could get connected via Phone while you are being tested. If this is OK with you please write to me trough GLP-Mail for further Data sharing. GOD BLESS |
visitor User ID: 8218216 United Kingdom 01/04/2012 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi OP, Quoting: firmament sorry to hear about your suffering of Hepatitis C. Find a good Homeopath he can help you!! You need to find out which Hepatitis C Virus infected you. HFV, TTV or the "normal" Hepatitis C Virus. A good Homeopath can answer this question and find the Stimuli-Essence/Globuli you need. I know of what I talk about. I'm a living example for the cure. GOD BLESS Your the first person I have come across who has been cured of hep c by homoeopathic medicine? Does that mean that PCR tests show you has virus free or is it you can live with the virus? What genotype was it and what sort of viral load did you have. The couple of homoeopathic practitioners I saw were quite clear that they had never been able to completely cure the hep c virus. Hi visitor, I will provide evidence this afternoon.(have to go to work now) I can even give you the number of the Homeopath I went to. Although he is in Germany he speaks english(of course)fluently. He is a Doctor, a real authority a luminary, working with people all over the world. GOD BLESS PS: I was tested negative after 7 month. Back again to continue, I was cured of Hepatitis C 11 years ago, (along with other bad stuff one doesn't need) since then I have been continuously (once a year) tested negative. Dr. Ohliger (my Homeopath)is a Doctor of Naturopathy and Homeopathy. He works with the principle of electro-acupuncture according to Dr. Voll. If you know a Homeopath around were you live at those two could get connected via Phone while you are being tested. If this is OK with you please write to me trough GLP-Mail for further Data sharing. GOD BLESS Is that tested for anti-bodies? Which genotype did you have? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8264192 South Africa 01/04/2012 01:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your recommending somebody who has lost his medical licence in California, has repeatedly been charged with malpractice in Nevada. This is professional guidance? Quoting: visitor 8218216 One of which was to diagnose colon cancer has haemorrhoids. I checked a number of hep c forums last night to see if anybody had any success with ozone therapy. 10's of thousands of people who actually have or had the disease. It was easy to find people who tried it and not one did it work for. Why is it I can not find any credible account of it working? And why has nobody who has been successfully treated by ozone treatment never gone to an Hep c forum to share the good news? *Sigh* Look, phone them yourself & tell them what a bunch of tools they are rather than slander them on here. People like you always have big mouths but you are so determined that "there is no cure" that you just will not see anything else. You want info? Go to Amazon and buy a book by Professor Velio Bocci called "Ozone a New Medical Drug" (if I remember correctly. It details the physiologial workings of ozone from an academic (Prof of Physiology @ Sienna Uni, Italy) with 20 yrs of research on the subject. You can also google the International School of Ozone Therapy (ISCO3)for academic data and contact info for the various DOCTORS and PROFESSORS around the globe who administer ozone in a clinical environment. Another worthwile site is www.aepromo.org which is the Spanish Ozone Association website (It has english) which is pretty informative and up to date. In addition to this, I have PERSONALLY witnessed many "incurable" cnditions reversed with ozone & no amount of naysay from you will change that. So, use it, don't use it. Doesn't affect me one way or the other. I'm just trying to help. |
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visitor User ID: 8218216 United Kingdom 01/04/2012 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your recommending somebody who has lost his medical licence in California, has repeatedly been charged with malpractice in Nevada. This is professional guidance? Quoting: visitor 8218216 One of which was to diagnose colon cancer has haemorrhoids. I checked a number of hep c forums last night to see if anybody had any success with ozone therapy. 10's of thousands of people who actually have or had the disease. It was easy to find people who tried it and not one did it work for. Why is it I can not find any credible account of it working? And why has nobody who has been successfully treated by ozone treatment never gone to an Hep c forum to share the good news? *Sigh* Look, phone them yourself & tell them what a bunch of tools they are rather than slander them on here. People like you always have big mouths but you are so determined that "there is no cure" that you just will not see anything else. You want info? Go to Amazon and buy a book by Professor Velio Bocci called "Ozone a New Medical Drug" (if I remember correctly. It details the physiologial workings of ozone from an academic (Prof of Physiology @ Sienna Uni, Italy) with 20 yrs of research on the subject. You can also google the International School of Ozone Therapy (ISCO3)for academic data and contact info for the various DOCTORS and PROFESSORS around the globe who administer ozone in a clinical environment. Another worthwile site is www.aepromo.org which is the Spanish Ozone Association website (It has english) which is pretty informative and up to date. In addition to this, I have PERSONALLY witnessed many "incurable" cnditions reversed with ozone & no amount of naysay from you will change that. So, use it, don't use it. Doesn't affect me one way or the other. I'm just trying to help. I have slandered nobody. Its public record. I come from a background that includes years of study and respect for alternative medicine. That doesn't alter the fact that I can find lots of evidence of people not been successful with ozone treatment for hep c and nobody stepping forward saying they were cleared of it using ozone treatment. I have read the papers on it. It was at one time thought that ribavirin worked in a similar way but that was long ago disproved. The main doctor in Italy who used ozone therepy has stopped using it saying he has lost confidence. It may not effect you but desperate people with a very nasty illness may read this thread and they deserve better than vague anecdotal evidence. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8264192 South Africa 01/04/2012 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dude you're full of it! The info that I posted is anything but vague anecdotal info. I am fully aware that peoples lives are at stake, which it why I have been specific with recommending that it be administered and managed by a PROFESSIONAL. You have a theoretical argument that it doesn't work. I have personal and practical experience that it does. Nothing else to say. |
visitor User ID: 8218216 United Kingdom 01/04/2012 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dude you're full of it! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8264192 The info that I posted is anything but vague anecdotal info. I am fully aware that peoples lives are at stake, which it why I have been specific with recommending that it be administered and managed by a PROFESSIONAL. You have a theoretical argument that it doesn't work. I have personal and practical experience that it does. Nothing else to say. I have read the papers. Ozone may do many wonderful things, but find me one example of it clearing hep c.??. It would be fantastic if it did. My practical experience is having hepc genotype 1, viral load of 6.36 million and diligently researching any treatments I could find reference to. The best option I could find other than using alternative medicines to fortify the system and live with the virus, or has I did treat with a combination therapy of protease inhibitors, interfron & ribaviron. Using PCR tests I have now been virus undetectable for 6 months. See the difference, genotype, virus load, treatment method, test method and results. Is that theoretical? |
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