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[link to enenews.com]


[...] It was scale [note: NOT magnitude] 3 ~ 4 in Tokyo, and also Fukushima but the scale of Fukushima nakadori, where Fukushima plant is, is not announced on the page of Japan Meteorological Agency.

Though the connection with this earthquake is not clear, Tepco announced water is leaking from the cooling system of spent fuel pool in reactor 4. [...]
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This could be a near ELE if the rods get vaporised.
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Proof that little bits of plutonium are in Europe from the corium explosion.

Radionuclides from the Fukushima accident in the air over Lithuania: measurement and modelling approaches.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
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[link to enenews.com]


[...] It was scale [note: NOT magnitude] 3 ~ 4 in Tokyo, and also Fukushima but the scale of Fukushima nakadori, where Fukushima plant is, is not announced on the page of Japan Meteorological Agency.

Though the connection with this earthquake is not clear, Tepco announced water is leaking from the cooling system of spent fuel pool in reactor 4. [...]
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The water level is decreased naturally because of water evaporation, as it used to take 3 hours to be decreased by 50mm (17mm / h), but from 2PM to 5PM today, it was decreased by 240mm within 3 hours.(80mm / h). [...]

It seems that the earthquake may have done something.
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Half way gone .. some more there now .. ogh
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Magnitude 7.0 earthquake off Japan's southeast coast, no tsunami warning
Reuters Jan 1, 2012, 11.21AM IST
Tags:US Pacific Tsunami Warning Center|Tsunami
(A 7.0 magnitude earthquake, at a depth of nearly 217 miles, was recorded off Japan's southeastern Isu islands on Sunday, the US Geological Survey reported.)SINGAPORE: A strong earthquake with a magnitude of 7.0 jolted eastern and northeastern Japan on Sunday, but there were no immediate reports of injuries or damages and no tsunami warning was issued.

The earthquake measured 4 in central Tokyo, Fukushima and their surrounding areas on the Japanese intensity scale, which measures ground motion, according to Japan Meteorological Agency, which uses a different measuring system than the the U.S. Geological Survey.

[link to articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com]
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Oh dear.
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Unit 4 is teetering on edge. 1535 rods of MOX.

"Moving on to Unit 4: Unit 4 is leaning. TEPCO acknowledges that Unit 4 is leaning. The structure is obviously compromised
from the fires and the explosion on Unit 3. But It's tilting at the top and that's not good. If there is a seismic aftershock as a result of the first earthquake, Unit 4 could collapse. TEPCO is trying dramatically to shore up that building, but it's tough. It's really tough. There have also been some photos released of inside the unit's floor pool and the racks appear to have maintained their integrity."

“In his recent blog, entitled “The Fourth Reactor and the Destiny of Japan”, Akio Matsumura correctly identifies the spent fuel pool in Unit 4 as the most serious potential threat for further massive radioactive releases from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.”

The Fourth Reactor and the Destiny of Japan, Akio Matsumura, September 29, 2011:

“I, along with many eminent scientists, are emphasizing the precarious situation of the fourth reactor that contains 1,535 nuclear fuel rods in the pool and is balanced on the second floor, outside of the reactor containment vessel. If the fuel rods spill onto the ground, disaster will ensue and force Tokyo and Yokohama to close, creating a gigantic evacuation zone. All scientists I have talked with say that if the structure collapses we will be in a situation well beyond where science has ever gone. The destiny of Japan will be changed and the disaster will certainly compromise the security of neighboring countries and the rest of the world in terms of health, migration and geopolitics. The Japanese government should immediately create an independent assessment team to determine the structural integrity of the spent fuel pool and its supporting structure. This is of the highest importance: the structure’s security is critical to the country’s future.”
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ahhh
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"Part of the process of making MOX fuel is to grind plutonium into a fine power before it is robotically inserted into fuel rods. Experts agree these tiny plutonium particles once airborne are extremely dangerous to human health.


Workers observing material at the Shaw-AREVA Mixed-Oxide Plant at the Savannah River Site in South Carolina. Photo: Shaw-ArevaOne of the unique characteristics of mixed oxide fuel is that relatively little of the plutonium in the fuel rods is used up in the fuel cycle in a reactor. “When the plutonium in the fuel rods goes into a reactor for commercial power, a very little of it is going to be consumed. I don’t know what percentage, maybe half percentage or something like that, but it’s going to generate an extraordinary amount of contamination throughout the fuel rods…,” says William Lawler, an expert on radioactive waste."

Commonly cited quote by Ralph Nader, states that a pound of plutonium dust spread into the atmosphere would be enough to kill 8 billion people. However, the math shows that one pound of plutonium could kill no more than 2 million people by inhalation. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Whew! a pound will ONLY kil 2 million.
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1 rod weighs 657 kg roughly 2/3 0f a ton so one rod could "only" kill 2.89 billion..... times 1600 rods or so, ELE.
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They took steps months ago to install columns to buttress the SFP in unit 4. At that time I was worried that the added weight would cause add to the problem. The seismic activity since then has obviously weakened the unit further. I truly hope and pray that it does not collapse.


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Why use the most toxic shit on earth for this result?

“When the plutonium in the fuel rods goes into a reactor for commercial power, a very little of it is going to be consumed. I don’t know what percentage, maybe half percentage or something like that, but it’s going to generate an extraordinary amount of contamination throughout the fuel rods…,” says William Lawler, an expert on radioactive waste."
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The MOX was used in reactor 3. That is why the explosion of reactor 3 was so disconcerting. The reactor was not designed for MOX fuel. It is hotter, creates greater pressures in the vessel, causes metal fatigue and requires more time to cool. Not to mention the additional radioisotopes.

The SFPs were designed to hold around 400 spent fuel assemblies. It has become common practice in all nuclear facilities to add racks to the ponds which allows them to store more assemblies. 1500 or more, as is the case in SFP 4. It takes 5 years for spent fuel from a reactor to cool enough to be transferred to dry storage casks which are then stored on site indefinitely, because there is no where else to put them.

This is the situation everywhere. These nuclear facilities are insanely dangerous to all of us.

Although the MOX supposedly was not used in any of the other reactors, the threat of plutonium contamination is still a huge factor.

During fission, plutonium is created. All of the SFPs in the world have plutonium in them. The fact that these SFPs at Fuku are exposed to the environment is very, very bad.

Nuclear technology is great when everything goes right...
And a nightmare when it doesn't.
We are currently in the middle of a really bad nightmare and no one knows when or if it will end.

You can believe the shills who say it is all blown out of proportion and there is no danger... their fear causes them to project denial.

Or, you can believe the scientific facts.

I'd rather believe the science.

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This could be a near ELE if the rods get vaporised.
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What's a near ELE? Is that like where most of us die but not quite all of us? Or is that like when we all almost die but we don't?
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why is this super pinned!? please allow me to be first..............bsflag
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Can we get the webcam link to see if they are at it with the water hoses? How long until they would catch fire if the water is pouring out faster than they can fill it?
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1 rod weighs 657 kg roughly 2/3 0f a ton so one rod could "only" kill 2.89 billion..... times 1600 rods or so, ELE.
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this can't be right..

where is the figure 2.9 billion coming from?

if this is the case then holy shit doom on
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why is this super pinned!? please allow me to be first..............bsflag
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fucking UK retarded shill

wake up and realize what's going on in the world. fukushima has been spewing since last march 11 when this shit first went down. things have only gotten worse in the past year
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This could be a near ELE if the rods get vaporised.
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What's a near ELE? Is that like where most of us die but not quite all of us? Or is that like when we all almost die but we don't?
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ELE = Extinction Level Event

so yeah your first guess was close enough
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This could be a near ELE if the rods get vaporised.
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What's a near ELE? Is that like where most of us die but not quite all of us? Or is that like when we all almost die but we don't?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 974529


1500 or so hot fuel assemblies laying in a pile fissioning uncontrollably, in the open air, for who knows how long, is not a benign event.

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Water finds the easiest way out...

and that is probably through a hole burned by decaying nuclear matter

sounds like DOOM to me
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And look at the shill trying to debunk fuku info on my thread!


Thread: Peer-Reviewed Study Shows Increase in U.S. Deaths Due to Fukushima Radiation

Is he/she/it a robot?

What the hell is going on over there in Japan?
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why is this super pinned!? please allow me to be first..............bsflag
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Bwahahaha!

Fool.

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whatever

nothing will happen, suggest unpin immediately.
yawn.

stfu
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Can we get the webcam link to see if they are at it with the water hoses? How long until they would catch fire if the water is pouring out faster than they can fill it?
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Not long enough.

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This could be a near ELE if the rods get vaporised.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


What's a near ELE? Is that like where most of us die but not quite all of us? Or is that like when we all almost die but we don't?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 974529


1500 or so hot fuel assemblies laying in a pile fissioning uncontrollably, in the open air, for who knows how long, is not a benign event.

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I'm sorry to say, all that plutionium, if it gets airborne, really is an ELE.

I knew our time was short due all the radioactive material that has been prodeuced, practically never goes away and we have no long term confinement for it but now well maybe it really is very short.

We could hold it off for a while if the japanese can get their act together but if not...

Oh boy :( this is actually way worse than Chernobyl.

"Inheritor of a dying world, long hast though dwelt in darkness..."

Ya, biblical proportions disaster.

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Why did someone say this could be an ELE like a Comet hitting Earth? C'mon so what could happen the nuclear material seeps into the ground bahaha yeah didn't it already seep into the ground way back when the Japan earthquake happen and guess what i'm still alive typing this TROLL!
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Unit 4 is teetering on edge. 1535 rods of MOX.

"Moving on to Unit 4: Unit 4 is leaning. TEPCO acknowledges that Unit 4 is leaning. The structure is obviously compromised
from the fires and the explosion on Unit 3. But It's tilting at the top and that's not good. If there is a seismic aftershock as a result of the first earthquake, Unit 4 could collapse. TEPCO is trying dramatically to shore up that building, but it's tough. It's really tough. There have also been some photos released of inside the unit's floor pool and the racks appear to have maintained their integrity."

“In his recent blog, entitled “The Fourth Reactor and the Destiny of Japan”, Akio Matsumura correctly identifies the spent fuel pool in Unit 4 as the most serious potential threat for further massive radioactive releases from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.”

The Fourth Reactor and the Destiny of Japan, Akio Matsumura, September 29, 2011:

“I, along with many eminent scientists, are emphasizing the precarious situation of the fourth reactor that contains 1,535 nuclear fuel rods in the pool and is balanced on the second floor, outside of the reactor containment vessel. If the fuel rods spill onto the ground, disaster will ensue and force Tokyo and Yokohama to close, creating a gigantic evacuation zone. All scientists I have talked with say that if the structure collapses we will be in a situation well beyond where science has ever gone. The destiny of Japan will be changed and the disaster will certainly compromise the security of neighboring countries and the rest of the world in terms of health, migration and geopolitics. The Japanese government should immediately create an independent assessment team to determine the structural integrity of the spent fuel pool and its supporting structure. This is of the highest importance: the structure’s security is critical to the country’s future.”
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