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I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.

 
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Please elaborate. Brain chemistry interests me.
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I'll try to summarize the project without getting too specific. We were looking at a specific family of G protein-coupled receptors only found in brain tissue. The headway we made was developing an inhibitor for a specific receptor in this family. This specific receptor is involved in creation and storage of new memories. By developing a compound that bound to the receptor and blocked the binding of the naturally created compound, we achieved mediocre success in the inhibition of creation and storage of new memories. But test mortality rates were too high, and the project was abandoned. One of the more interesting ones we ever got to work on, though.
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G protein-coupled receptors that signal Phosphatidylinositol would actually enhance cognition, wouldn't it? Were you targeting this pathway or the cAMP?
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Thanks. Thats what I was wondering about with the focus. I hear many people say they can't read past a few sentences in a book before they lose interest, lose concentration or get bored.

Also, when you say "calming" effect, is that the same as "lazy" effect? People seem way unmotivated/lazy too. Lol

Btw, I wouldve listened to you talk about work if you were my family member :)

Are you still a chemist?
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In some cases, yes, "calming" went hand in hand with "lazy". In others, "calming" went along with the ability to keep focusing on a task and remain motivated.
And no, I don't really practice chemistry. I made enough to retire comfortably, and the only contact I have with the field is reading the occasional major paper that is published.
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OP, thanks for coming here to talk.

Do you think it is likely that many of the projects you were asked to work on during the 80s-early 2000s could have by now been figured out?

What really concerns me is that the idea (which means there is a motive and agenda behind it) EXISTS and someone wanted you guys to try and figure it out. Just because the technology was not there during your time, do you think there could be a good chance that it has been developed since?

I heard a rumour/conscpiracy that an agent was dispersed in the Middle East area over the past year to basically reduce the "God" particle in us. Many say this is what explains the numerous revolts we saw happen over the past year. Do you have any opinion on this?

Is there any way to sue the Government for knowingly affecting us without a choice in the matter? Do they not fear the response from other countries that may not want these chemicals polluting the water, and eventually food that may be exported to them?


You mentioned before that there should not be a harm if they applied these chemicals in the way that you guys advised. I am scared as after hearing about families being sprayed with Corexit, and the planes spraying along the shoreline when they were supposed to be a couple miles away from the shore, that these types of Chemicals you guys produced would have been purposefully released in away that was not recommended to achieve a quicker drastic result.
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Hey OP,
Fascinating thread. Couple of questions if you please.
Were operating perimeters given for different 'cocktails' you created, ie did they tell you the delivery system or at what height and atmosphere it had to activate in.

Secondly, what materials do you put into cocktail to make it spread and hang in the same place for hours when other clouds are scurrying past.

Thanks in anticipation
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G protein-coupled receptors that signal Phosphatidylinositol would actually enhance cognition, wouldn't it? Were you targeting this pathway or the cAMP?
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This particular project did not deal with the phospholipid you mentioned nor the cAMP pathway. I wish I could get into more specifics with you as it's clear you also have a background in either chemistry or biology (or both), but I really wouldn't feel safe getting into the specifics of the compounds, pathways, and receptors we were working on.
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Okay...

Let's assume that KMnO4 were brought into line by reaction with As2O3. As2O3 + MnO4(-) +H+ +H2O yields H3AsO4 + Mn(2+) NOT BALANCED
If a .1262g sample that is 97.72% As2O3 by mass had been used in the titration, how many milliliters of the .02140M KMnO4 would have been required?
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Hey everyone,

Thanks for the insightful questions and comments. It's getting late, and it's time for this old man to hit the sack. If I'm feeling up to it, I may revive this thread tomorrow night - there is a lot that didn't get touched on.

Have a good night, and remember to never stop asking questions.
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How convenient...
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Please elaborate. Brain chemistry interests me.
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I'll try to summarize the project without getting too specific. We were looking at a specific family of G protein-coupled receptors only found in brain tissue. The headway we made was developing an inhibitor for a specific receptor in this family. This specific receptor is involved in creation and storage of new memories. By developing a compound that bound to the receptor and blocked the binding of the naturally created compound, we achieved mediocre success in the inhibition of creation and storage of new memories. But test mortality rates were too high, and the project was abandoned. One of the more interesting ones we ever got to work on, though.
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This is extremely interesting. Short-term memory can be compromised with a number of disease states, but you were eliciting this process by altering the G protein-coupled receptors. Was this reversable or long-term affects?
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I forgive you.

God will forgive you to,
if you ask him to.

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Best of luck to you, OP>
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OP, thanks for coming here to talk.

Do you think it is likely that many of the projects you were asked to work on during the 80s-early 2000s could have by now been figured out?

What really concerns me is that the idea (which means there is a motive and agenda behind it) EXISTS and someone wanted you guys to try and figure it out. Just because the technology was not there during your time, do you think there could be a good chance that it has been developed since?

I heard a rumour/conscpiracy that an agent was dispersed in the Middle East area over the past year to basically reduce the "God" particle in us. Many say this is what explains the numerous revolts we saw happen over the past year. Do you have any opinion on this?

Is there any way to sue the Government for knowingly affecting us without a choice in the matter? Do they not fear the response from other countries that may not want these chemicals polluting the water, and eventually food that may be exported to them?


You mentioned before that there should not be a harm if they applied these chemicals in the way that you guys advised. I am scared as after hearing about families being sprayed with Corexit, and the planes spraying along the shoreline when they were supposed to be a couple miles away from the shore, that these types of Chemicals you guys produced would have been purposefully released in away that was not recommended to achieve a quicker drastic result.
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Wow, that's a lot of questions. I'll answer the ones that I can.

Projects that I worked on in my time that were unsuccessful: Yes, it is quite possible that with technological advances in the last decade, some things we were unable to accomplish have since been done.

An agent to reduce the "God" particle in us: If you are referring to the possible Higgs-Boson particle, then I think what you read is probably hogswash. Higgs-Boson particles do not even exist for more than a miniscule fraction of a second. And we know so little about them that any attempt to "reduce them in us" would be a joke. Remember that the term "God particle" was given to them by some idiot, and for some reason it stuck. The Higgs-Boson particle, if it does exist, has nothing to do with God. However, I won't rule out that the rash of revolutions in the Middle East were the result of a chemical agent. Not likely, but not impossible.

Sue the government? Good luck.

Although I don't like to think about it, I don't doubt that the people using the chemicals we developed might have occasionally used them differently than we recommended. I don't like to think about it. The people making the final decisions were likely bureaucrats looking for results - not scientists.
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How are chemist in this field recruited? was this is all postdoc work? just to quantify your remarks when you say you had moderate success, how big was the test group? In the Documentary "what in the world are they spraying" the alumina particulates are made out to be of concern for vegetation. Is that a valid concern?
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Hey OP,
Fascinating thread. Couple of questions if you please.
Were operating perimeters given for different 'cocktails' you created, ie did they tell you the delivery system or at what height and atmosphere it had to activate in.

Secondly, what materials do you put into cocktail to make it spread and hang in the same place for hours when other clouds are scurrying past.

Thanks in anticipation
 Quoting: Rickster58


We only gave recommendations as far as delivery methods. We stressed that these recommendations were very important, but the final call was never ours.

As far as your second question, this is hard for us to control. This is where recommended delivery conditions come into play. A spread hanging in the same place for hours could be due to incorrect deployment.
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popcorn

to check back tomorrow

Thanks OP!


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Okay...

Let's assume that KMnO4 were brought into line by reaction with As2O3. As2O3 + MnO4(-) +H+ +H2O yields H3AsO4 + Mn(2+) NOT BALANCED
If a .1262g sample that is 97.72% As2O3 by mass had been used in the titration, how many milliliters of the .02140M KMnO4 would have been required?
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I'd honestly have to bring out a textbook or use Wikipedia to aid in answering that. Everyone knows that a skill not used atrophies. My first job out of college, before I went to grad school, did not involve chemistry. Two years out of undergrad, I could not have answered this without a textbook. Now, over a decade out of retirement, I could not answer this without a textbook. Not ashamed to admit it.
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OK,

Now I'm really going to sleep. Saw a few questions I wanted to answer that were posted before my "final" post. Good night all.
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How convenient...
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WOOOOW... Right..
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Please elaborate. Brain chemistry interests me.
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I'll try to summarize the project without getting too specific. We were looking at a specific family of G protein-coupled receptors only found in brain tissue. The headway we made was developing an inhibitor for a specific receptor in this family. This specific receptor is involved in creation and storage of new memories. By developing a compound that bound to the receptor and blocked the binding of the naturally created compound, we achieved mediocre success in the inhibition of creation and storage of new memories. But test mortality rates were too high, and the project was abandoned. One of the more interesting ones we ever got to work on, though.
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This is extremely interesting. Short-term memory can be compromised with a number of disease states, but you were eliciting this process by altering the G protein-coupled receptors. Was this reversable or long-term affects?
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I totally understand if you don't feel comfortable answering certain questions. I will set forth a few more, but please only answer those that won't compromise your position. How does short-term memory deficits fit in with Chemtrails? Was this a double-blind study with human subjects?
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Thanks OP

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Okay...

Let's assume that KMnO4 were brought into line by reaction with As2O3. As2O3 + MnO4(-) +H+ +H2O yields H3AsO4 + Mn(2+) NOT BALANCED
If a .1262g sample that is 97.72% As2O3 by mass had been used in the titration, how many milliliters of the .02140M KMnO4 would have been required?
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Your either :
A. Trying to impress op
B. Trying to stump and discredit op
C. Showing off

Answer: D. all of the above
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Okay...

Let's assume that KMnO4 were brought into line by reaction with As2O3. As2O3 + MnO4(-) +H+ +H2O yields H3AsO4 + Mn(2+) NOT BALANCED
If a .1262g sample that is 97.72% As2O3 by mass had been used in the titration, how many milliliters of the .02140M KMnO4 would have been required?
 Quoting: Kinect

Your either :
A. Trying to impress op
B. Trying to stump and discredit op
C. Showing off

Answer: D. all of the above
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I would concur with that.
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Okay...

Let's assume that KMnO4 were brought into line by reaction with As2O3. As2O3 + MnO4(-) +H+ +H2O yields H3AsO4 + Mn(2+) NOT BALANCED
If a .1262g sample that is 97.72% As2O3 by mass had been used in the titration, how many milliliters of the .02140M KMnO4 would have been required?
 Quoting: Kinect


I'd honestly have to bring out a textbook or use Wikipedia to aid in answering that. Everyone knows that a skill not used atrophies. My first job out of college, before I went to grad school, did not involve chemistry. Two years out of undergrad, I could not have answered this without a textbook. Now, over a decade out of retirement, I could not answer this without a textbook. Not ashamed to admit it.
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Well, I must say, I actually appreciate your candor! Ha! Maybe you are legitimate after all? Hmmmm....

Thank you for your time & response. I have some questions for you, but until you reply again, I will refrain. Cheers OP.
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Okay...

Let's assume that KMnO4 were brought into line by reaction with As2O3. As2O3 + MnO4(-) +H+ +H2O yields H3AsO4 + Mn(2+) NOT BALANCED
If a .1262g sample that is 97.72% As2O3 by mass had been used in the titration, how many milliliters of the .02140M KMnO4 would have been required?
 Quoting: Kinect

Your either :
A. Trying to impress op
B. Trying to stump and discredit op
C. Showing off

Answer: D. all of the above
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I would concur with that.
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I concur with you both. cool2
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5 fucking stars!! Awesome read OP. thank you hf
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Please elaborate. Brain chemistry interests me.
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I'll try to summarize the project without getting too specific. We were looking at a specific family of G protein-coupled receptors only found in brain tissue. The headway we made was developing an inhibitor for a specific receptor in this family. This specific receptor is involved in creation and storage of new memories. By developing a compound that bound to the receptor and blocked the binding of the naturally created compound, we achieved mediocre success in the inhibition of creation and storage of new memories. But test mortality rates were too high, and the project was abandoned. One of the more interesting ones we ever got to work on, though.
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Just pondering the discussion. G proteins enables enzymes and ion channels to facilitate AMP during a sympathetic reaction. Thus, blocking their reaction inhibits the flight response during a crisis. Without a response to an adrenaline release, inaction ensues.
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Okay...

Let's assume that KMnO4 were brought into line by reaction with As2O3. As2O3 + MnO4(-) +H+ +H2O yields H3AsO4 + Mn(2+) NOT BALANCED
If a .1262g sample that is 97.72% As2O3 by mass had been used in the titration, how many milliliters of the .02140M KMnO4 would have been required?
 Quoting: Kinect


I'd honestly have to bring out a textbook or use Wikipedia to aid in answering that. Everyone knows that a skill not used atrophies. My first job out of college, before I went to grad school, did not involve chemistry. Two years out of undergrad, I could not have answered this without a textbook. Now, over a decade out of retirement, I could not answer this without a textbook. Not ashamed to admit it.
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Wikipedia ...really?
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