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I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.

 
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OP, do you have any idea if the gel-like material that sparkled in sunlight then disappeared was a malformation of chemtrail batter, trial like error maybe?
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It sounds like you are referring to a specific event? Do you have a link/pictures? Sounds interesting but I've never heard of anything like it.
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I'll try to find the links. I've seen them several times myself. So have others I've read.

Are chemtrails going to cease eventually?
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Sorry, I don't know the answer to that. But during my career, work was very steady. We had basically zero downtime.
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What can I do to protect myself from these chemicals?
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I think I mentioned somewhere before that a mask that traps particles µm and smaller would help. That was a typo. I meant to say nanometers rather than µm. Some of these compounds were very small, and could really only be effectively blocked by a full face respirator (half-mask air-purifying respirators will not cut it, as they leave the eyes open). If I had to guess at other methods of avoiding these chemicals, I would say avoid living anywhere near moderate or large sized cities. This is just me hypothesizing, but I don't know why someone would spend millions of dollars developing chemical compounds so they could spray them over nearly unpopulated areas.
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GLP didn't seem to like how I used the µ character for 'micro'. Weird.
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OP, do you have any idea if the gel-like material that sparkled in sunlight then disappeared was a malformation of chemtrail batter, trial like error maybe?
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It sounds like you are referring to a specific event? Do you have a link/pictures? Sounds interesting but I've never heard of anything like it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6323246


I'll try to find the links. I've seen them several times myself. So have others I've read.

Are chemtrails going to cease eventually?
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Sorry, I don't know the answer to that. But during my career, work was very steady. We had basically zero downtime.
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Are you a chemtrail watcher now?
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Can you tell me in great detail how to extract ergotamine tartrate from caffeine pills?
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Not really my line of research, but if I had to guess I would think it involves separating the two on a silica gel plate or thin layer plate, using reflectance and/or fluorescence methods looking for expected wavelengths. We didn't do a lot of stuff like this though; nearly any ingredient we wished to experiment with was provided to us in pure (or very close to) form.
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Are you a chemtrail watcher now?
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No. I try not to dwell on the past, or the present for that matter. Also, it's nearly impossible to discern a chemtrailing plane from a natural contrail. Not impossible though.
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There are days when I look at the sky and watch it being sprayed to a muddy mess and I become... infuriated. Do you not feel this way yourself, OP? We moved out of a big city to get away from it, but they are even spraying the rural communities halfway across America. I have also seen it in Europe.

As far as the general public being completely oblivious, even when you point out and explain the chemtrails to them, do you think this is partially a result of the "calming" chemicals?

Finally, do you have any suggestions as to what we can do to put an end to this monstrosity?

Thank you.
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Are you a chemtrail watcher now?
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No. I try not to dwell on the past, or the present for that matter. Also, it's nearly impossible to discern a chemtrailing plane from a natural contrail. Not impossible though.
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Oh no OP, sorry, I was beginning to believe you until you said this.
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Can you tell me in great detail how to extract ergotamine tartrate from caffeine pills?
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Not really my line of research, but if I had to guess I would think it involves separating the two on a silica gel plate or thin layer plate, using reflectance and/or fluorescence methods looking for expected wavelengths. We didn't do a lot of stuff like this though; nearly any ingredient we wished to experiment with was provided to us in pure (or very close to) form.
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Did you ever work with any material that would interact directly with vesicles containing seratonin?
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There are days when I look at the sky and watch it being sprayed to a muddy mess and I become... infuriated. Do you not feel this way yourself, OP? We moved out of a big city to get away from it, but they are even spraying the rural communities halfway across America. I have also seen it in Europe.

As far as the general public being completely oblivious, even when you point out and explain the chemtrails to them, do you think this is partially a result of the "calming" chemicals?

Finally, do you have any suggestions as to what we can do to put an end to this monstrosity?

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1329586


One important thing to realize is that not every contrail you see is a chemtrail. The two are very different. There exist natural atmospheric conditions that promote natural contrail creation. It is when a plane produces a contrail without such conditions that you know something is wrong. If you really are living in a rural area, it's likely that most contrails you see are just that - contrails. But this is just speculation on my part. I don't know why any person/group would spend millions of dollars developing a compound just to dump it on an extremely sparsely populated area.

I stopped trying to point out chemtrails to the "general public" (really only ever tried to explain to my family) a long time ago. It's a losing battle - people believe what they want to believe. This might be a result of a calmative agent. No way of knowing - the human brain is amazing at ignoring something that is right in front of its eyes, even without a calmative helping out.

Suggestions on ending the monstrosity? Unless you are brave enough and capable of bringing solid proof to a media outlet, I'd say nothing. And it seems to be a widespread belief on GLP that mainstream media doesn't do jack shit. If that really is true, then the battle is all but over.
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Are you a chemtrail watcher now?
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No. I try not to dwell on the past, or the present for that matter. Also, it's nearly impossible to discern a chemtrailing plane from a natural contrail. Not impossible though.
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Oh no OP, sorry, I was beginning to believe you until you said this.
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Do you honestly think that every contrail you see holds a nefarious purpose? Sorry, but that's just not the case. There is plenty of solid research into physics and meteorology that proves contrails can form naturally. Like I said before, it's when contrails form without the proper atmospheric conditions that you know something is wrong.
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How were you hired? We're you recruited in grad school, undergrad school? Or later in the private sector?
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Can you tell me in great detail how to extract ergotamine tartrate from caffeine pills?
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Not really my line of research, but if I had to guess I would think it involves separating the two on a silica gel plate or thin layer plate, using reflectance and/or fluorescence methods looking for expected wavelengths. We didn't do a lot of stuff like this though; nearly any ingredient we wished to experiment with was provided to us in pure (or very close to) form.
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Did you ever work with any material that would interact directly with vesicles containing seratonin?
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Yes. Seratonin is one of the most powerful chemicals our body produces. Obviously, we had more than one contractor interested in harnessing and sometimes abusing that power.
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Are you a chemtrail watcher now?
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No. I try not to dwell on the past, or the present for that matter. Also, it's nearly impossible to discern a chemtrailing plane from a natural contrail. Not impossible though.
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Oh no OP, sorry, I was beginning to believe you until you said this.
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Do you honestly think that every contrail you see holds a nefarious purpose? Sorry, but that's just not the case. There is plenty of solid research into physics and meteorology that proves contrails can form naturally. Like I said before, it's when contrails form without the proper atmospheric conditions that you know something is wrong.
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No, of course every contrail is not a chemtrail, but definitly a watcher can differentiate the 2 trails.
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How were you hired? We're you recruited in grad school, undergrad school? Or later in the private sector?
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After graduating with a bachelors in Chemistry, I found a job working as a lab technician in a publicly funded laboratory doing normal research. Six years later and no promotion, I had saved enough to go to grad school (with the help of loans). Ended up getting a PhD in Biochemistry. Less than a week after graduating, I was approached by a man who gave me a business card and asked me to call him if I was interested in using my degree. I was, so I called him. A year after starting, my student loans were paid off.
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Was the goal of the chemicals you used ever to facilitate or enhance the perception of ULF/microwaves/sound or possibly visual perception in the population?

What were the goals you were asked to accomplish regarding chemical cocktails? Were they to facilitate something else in the environment?

We would like more information regarding specifics please.

Thank You.
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a test question to prove whether you are full of shit or not:

not all are chemtrails and not all are contrails

what else are they?
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Do you honestly think that every contrail you see holds a nefarious purpose? Sorry, but that's just not the case. There is plenty of solid research into physics and meteorology that proves contrails can form naturally. Like I said before, it's when contrails form without the proper atmospheric conditions that you know something is wrong.
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No, of course every contrail is not a chemtrail, but definitly a watcher can differentiate the 2 trails.
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I didn't say it was impossible. This reminds me of something I've seen before on GLP though - the belief that a contrail that quickly dissipates and disappears is a natural contrail, and anything that lingers and spreads is a chemtrail. This is not true. I worked on compounds that were specially designed to disappear within minutes of deployment. I also worked on mixtures that, to achieve their desired effect, were unable to dissipate in such a short time span. Natural contrails can behave either way. So can chemtrails.
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Heres the truth, I have friends in Government and NASA and the Military

They are trying to thicken our atmosphere, its dangerously thinning, Any more loss of atmosphere would rapidly make earth into venus or mars .

Have you noticed it more windy lately where you live? its from the thinning of the atmosphere, Increase that times a hundred and thats where were headed.

Animals are now getting skin cancer, the UV rays are beating down on us more and more, People are noticing the sun as white light rather than golden and the sun searing their skin like a laser during summer more than ever before.

Leaves and trees are getting confused with the onslaught of more light, they are not shedding leaves in time for Autumn. Have you noticed this where you live?

Our icebergs and arctic are melting at alarming rates and will flood the coastal cities, You can look up a official map drawn up by the Navy to confirm what Im saying.
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Do you honestly think that every contrail you see holds a nefarious purpose? Sorry, but that's just not the case. There is plenty of solid research into physics and meteorology that proves contrails can form naturally. Like I said before, it's when contrails form without the proper atmospheric conditions that you know something is wrong.
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No, of course every contrail is not a chemtrail, but definitly a watcher can differentiate the 2 trails.
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I didn't say it was impossible. This reminds me of something I've seen before on GLP though - the belief that a contrail that quickly dissipates and disappears is a natural contrail, and anything that lingers and spreads is a chemtrail. This is not true. I worked on compounds that were specially designed to disappear within minutes of deployment. I also worked on mixtures that, to achieve their desired effect, were unable to dissipate in such a short time span. Natural contrails can behave either way. So can chemtrails.
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Oh, thanks for clearing this up, so sometimes we don't know what we are getting sprayed on us. Why chemtrails at night?
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Was the goal of the chemicals you used ever to facilitate or enhance the perception of ULF/microwaves/sound or possibly visual perception in the population?

What were the goals you were asked to accomplish regarding chemical cocktails? Were they to facilitate something else in the environment?

We would like more information regarding specifics please.

Thank You.
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Facilitate/enchance perception of ULF/microwaves/sound or visual perception - Facilitate, no. Impede/Impair, yes, for a couple of projects.

I've mentioned overall goals of our various research projects earlier in the thread - you can probably find them on the first page.

Sorry about the lack of real specifics, but I really shouldn't be doing this type of thing in the first place. Lack of specifics is for my own safety.
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How were you hired? We're you recruited in grad school, undergrad school? Or later in the private sector?
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After graduating with a bachelors in Chemistry, I found a job working as a lab technician in a publicly funded laboratory doing normal research. Six years later and no promotion, I had saved enough to go to grad school (with the help of loans). Ended up getting a PhD in Biochemistry. Less than a week after graduating, I was approached by a man who gave me a business card and asked me to call him if I was interested in using my degree. I was, so I called him. A year after starting, my student loans were paid off.
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This sounds accurate. I can tell you for a fact that "talent scouts" exist in a hidden capacity at university, even at the community college level.

"Genius scouts", too. Them, not so nice.
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a test question to prove whether you are full of shit or not:

not all are chemtrails and not all are contrails

what else are they?
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What? Not every contrail is a chemtrail. Some contrails are natural contrails facilitated by certain atmospheric conditions. Some contrails are actually chemtrails. I don't see where you find problem with this logic.
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I didn't say it was impossible. This reminds me of something I've seen before on GLP though - the belief that a contrail that quickly dissipates and disappears is a natural contrail, and anything that lingers and spreads is a chemtrail. This is not true. I worked on compounds that were specially designed to disappear within minutes of deployment. I also worked on mixtures that, to achieve their desired effect, were unable to dissipate in such a short time span. Natural contrails can behave either way. So can chemtrails.
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Oh, thanks for clearing this up, so sometimes we don't know what we are getting sprayed on us. Why chemtrails at night?
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Lower temperatures and less people watching are a couple I can think of. Especially when a mixture would, under sunlight, appear as anything other than white/gray.
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Thank you.
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One important thing to realize is that not every contrail you see is a chemtrail. The two are very different. There exist natural atmospheric conditions that promote natural contrail creation. It is when a plane produces a contrail without such conditions that you know something is wrong. If you really are living in a rural area, it's likely that most contrails you see are just that - contrails. But this is just speculation on my part. I don't know why any person/group would spend millions of dollars developing a compound just to dump it on an extremely sparsely populated area.

I stopped trying to point out chemtrails to the "general public" (really only ever tried to explain to my family) a long time ago. It's a losing battle - people believe what they want to believe. This might be a result of a calmative agent. No way of knowing - the human brain is amazing at ignoring something that is right in front of its eyes, even without a calmative helping out.

Suggestions on ending the monstrosity? Unless you are brave enough and capable of bringing solid proof to a media outlet, I'd say nothing. And it seems to be a widespread belief on GLP that mainstream media doesn't do jack shit. If that really is true, then the battle is all but over.
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I can tell a contrail from a chemtrail. Contrails do not spread out across the sky. melding into each other with a chemical hue to them. They dissipate and the sky remains blue; it does not turn a soupy, sickening gray.

As far as being in a rural area now ... really a small town ... we are not in a flight path at all, nor do we have planes flying over our area - ONLY on days that chemtrails are sprayed.

I lived in AZ for more than a decade where there is little humidity and watched the sky being blanketed nearly every day. The sky did not look this way when I grew up. While I am not a scientist, I can certainly tell the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail. It really is not difficult to discern once you are aware of the spraying.

As far as the battle being over, I think not. I do not give up that easily, nor do I believe those on GLP will either. And clearly you have not either or you would not have chosen to post here.
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Dinner time. I'll try to answer any questions that are posted when I get back. Great questions so far tonight, it's really nice to see there is some genuine interest.
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Dinner time. I'll try to answer any questions that are posted when I get back. Great questions so far tonight, it's really nice to see there is some genuine interest.
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Thanks OP and do come back!
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Can you tell me in great detail how to extract ergotamine tartrate from caffeine pills?
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Not really my line of research, but if I had to guess I would think it involves separating the two on a silica gel plate or thin layer plate, using reflectance and/or fluorescence methods looking for expected wavelengths. We didn't do a lot of stuff like this though; nearly any ingredient we wished to experiment with was provided to us in pure (or very close to) form.
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Did you ever work with any material that would interact directly with vesicles containing seratonin?
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Yes. Seratonin is one of the most powerful chemicals our body produces. Obviously, we had more than one contractor interested in harnessing and sometimes abusing that power.
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And did these contractors have the intention of blocking the seratonin from entering the synapse or eliminating the vesicles completely and what did you use to get through that blood brain barrier?
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Does Evergreen have planes modified for this?
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Interesting that you mention Evergreen...I've seen them offloading CIA cargo at 2 places in the Pacific...
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Dont believe the scare tactics, You have to believe they are stalling the situation rather than creating it,

Again, heres whats happening :

They are trying to thicken our atmosphere, its dangerously thinning, Any more loss of atmosphere would rapidly make earth into venus or mars .

Have you noticed it more windy lately where you live? its from the thinning of the atmosphere, Increase that times a hundred and thats where were headed.

Animals are now getting skin cancer, the UV rays are beating down on us more and more, People are noticing the sun as white light rather than golden and the sun searing their skin like a laser during summer more than ever before.

Leaves and trees are getting confused with the onslaught of more light, they are not shedding leaves in time for Autumn. Have you noticed this where you live?

Our icebergs and arctic are melting at alarming rates and will flood the coastal cities, You can look up a official map drawn up by the Navy to confirm what Im saying.