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Phobos Grunt drops 2 miles today, more than any other, the big drag has begun

 
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Phobos Grunt drops 2 miles today, more than any other, the big drag has begun
My first post here, don't be too hard on me. :)
Phobos is dropping faster today than on any other. Seems atmospheric drag is taking effect finally. Doesn't seem like a big deal until you see that it's dropped by far less than a mile each day before this, many days has stayed about the same. Started out at a the lowest drop in altitude being 121.3 today. Its lowest point dropped almost 2 miles just today and the night is still young, at least on the West Coast here. Phobos is falling a lot faster now.
12:36pm EST - lowest altitude was 119.74 and speed 4.67, making a drop of almost a full mile in just the past 4 hours. More than it has done on any day. I foresee it only picking up speed from here. Coronal mass ejections can also have an effect of causing the atmosphere to expand, allowing more of a drag on objects orbiting. I did hear we had a few CME's in the past few days so that may be contributing. I think this will hit pretty soon. A full rotation takes about 90 minutes so it may require some patience to view it at its lowest altitude, it'll get there and probably continue to steadily dip.
Can someone tell me at what point an orbit is too low to keep it up there and the thing just falls? What elevation before this thing just drops?
Youtube vid with data from the past few passes at a higher altitude. As you can see, commenters (myself included)below the video have also been tracking today. Video has no sound but it does have the data: [link to www.youtube.com]

I'm aware it'll probably hit the water but I'm curious about the effect that the Cobalt-57, Dimethylhydrazine and Nitrogen Tetroxide will have on things around it even if it "safely" hits a large body of water instead of a city.
[link to rt.com]

Site where Phobos can be tracked live: [link to www.n2yo.com]

Nitrogen Tetroxide
[link to www.gasdetection.com]

Dimethylhydrazine
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Please let me know if I left anything out, and by all means please add your own info and thoughts as well, thanks! :)
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PS - This is not to be confused with the posting yesterday regarding a drop down to 79miles. That was incorrect. They mistook the Azimuth for Altitude. Two different things. I have tracked Phobos since the first week it failed, 119.74 mi is the lowest it has gone, and it has gotten there quite rapidly. It's dropping in altitude again now on the site, going to track this rotation as well.
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I love strawberries

not big on mittens

I love gloves

Getting tired, didn't read your post

I'm sure it's good stuff, I'll check it out tomorrow

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I love strawberries

not big on mittens

I love gloves

Getting tired, didn't read your post

I'm sure it's good stuff, I'll check it out tomorrow

zzzz
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lmao::lol:1rof1:
"Be warned, my children six will visit followed by the crumbling of time
itself. Before the coming of Shangra La, a dark Carnival will sweep across
the land, as a shadow, plagued with destruction. A parade of freaks,
jugglers, and death. This wretched nightmare is led by six faces. Three have
come three have gone. The fourth emerges now. He walks among
us as a shadow, void of light, powered by your own darkness, strengthened by
your own wickedry. A horrid reflection of your very own deep desires cast
and reflected back upon yourself. Brothers and Sisters! The time has come
for the Necromaster. The unleashing of the fourth joker's card. The arrival
of The Great Milenko"



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Ok this is kind of spooky for me. I just watched the youtube video linked on here and it sent chills down my spine. I don't understand a whole lot about this stuff and I am just becoming aware.of this situation but what spools me is this.

I had a dream last night that I was out in my yard playing on a trampoline with my daughter and my husband and his friend was outside too and all of a.sudden a piece of satilite fell from the sky and landed in the street. Then this huge satilite fell from the sky and destroyed the house across the street. The explosion was very loud. All of us ran and my husbands friend clipped out. That's all that I remember from my dream.

I told my husband about it and it was no big deal. I thought it was just a.random dream and nothing more. Until I read this thread. Now I'm freaked by it.

It could mean nothing at all though. Dreams are wack and I always have strange dreams. I might be feeding into this but I still find it strange that I had.this dream last night and I am just know coming across this Info about phobos grunt.
"Be warned, my children six will visit followed by the crumbling of time
itself. Before the coming of Shangra La, a dark Carnival will sweep across
the land, as a shadow, plagued with destruction. A parade of freaks,
jugglers, and death. This wretched nightmare is led by six faces. Three have
come three have gone. The fourth emerges now. He walks among
us as a shadow, void of light, powered by your own darkness, strengthened by
your own wickedry. A horrid reflection of your very own deep desires cast
and reflected back upon yourself. Brothers and Sisters! The time has come
for the Necromaster. The unleashing of the fourth joker's card. The arrival
of The Great Milenko"



The Dark Carnival Will Never Die
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January 12, 2012

+ or - a couple of days probably
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EMP 1 wk after WW3 intial event? THEN the missles at US.
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Altitude is 119 miles and still dropping
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so, what does it mean? any what is it anyway, this phobos thing?
After 12, nine days.
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It will hit on the ninth.

"After 12, nine days".
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Re: Phobos Grunt drops 2 miles today, more than any other, the big drag has begun
6:31am EST, Altitude 119.3mi Going over Australia, speed 4.68

Phobos has dropped from 119.74 to 119.3 since I posted a few hours ago. Almost half a mile more today. Definitely decreasing in altitude faster than any other day since the failure. When it was at 119.74 it was passing over New Zealand, this time it was over Australia, so the location moves when overseas, however, it passes over the same general area on the East Coast every time. In researching it, I found this video which seems to back this up pretty well. He also did mention something else, that even though it is decreasing in altitude and should be picking up speed, it's not. The speed has been extremely stable at 4.67/4.68 for well over a month, even after a large decrease by 2+ miles in one day today. You'd think it would pick up speed as it's dropping.
[link to www.youtube.com]

I've seen here and there in some of the videos that it could be a weapon that "they" have really had control of all along, but who knows, it may just be much adoom about nothing.

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Another one coming down? We really should be more careful with what we put up there.
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err so why is it 122.39 as I type?
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LOL... dude it's been dropping and raising for the past several days. Under control...possibly.
AS one poster mentioned, when it picks up speed, then you know she's coming down fast.
The Speed has somewhat remained a constant for the last several days at ` 7.5 /4.6.
Lot's of time dude!
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err so why is it 122.39 as I type?
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Because the orbit is elliptical and people freak out every time they see it head to perigee. This chart is far more informative for the purpose of monitoring orbital decay.

[link to www.heavens-above.com]
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I think it some where in the early 80s. Seriously.
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Here's a video of Phobos-Grunt

[link to legault.perso.sfr.fr]
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Tracking site is down now.... What's up with that???
[link to www.n2yo.com]
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Re: Phobos Grunt drops 2 miles today, more than any other, the big drag has begun
Ok this is kind of spooky for me. I just watched the youtube video linked on here and it sent chills down my spine. I don't understand a whole lot about this stuff and I am just becoming aware.of this situation but what spools me is this.

I had a dream last night that I was out in my yard playing on a trampoline with my daughter and my husband and his friend was outside too and all of a.sudden a piece of satilite fell from the sky and landed in the street. Then this huge satilite fell from the sky and destroyed the house across the street. The explosion was very loud. All of us ran and my husbands friend clipped out. That's all that I remember from my dream.

I told my husband about it and it was no big deal. I thought it was just a.random dream and nothing more. Until I read this thread. Now I'm freaked by it.

It could mean nothing at all though. Dreams are wack and I always have strange dreams. I might be feeding into this but I still find it strange that I had.this dream last night and I am just know coming across this Info about phobos grunt.
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cool. should I consider my dream about escort flying a sign?
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n2yo.com seems to be down at the moment. hasn't been down once that I can remember since I started tracking phobos after first news came of it having had a malfunction.
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Here's a video of Phobos-Grunt

[link to legault.perso.sfr.fr]
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Great work by Legault, as always.
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huh?
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Ok this is kind of spooky for me. I just watched the youtube video linked on here and it sent chills down my spine. I don't understand a whole lot about this stuff and I am just becoming aware.of this situation but what spools me is this.

I had a dream last night that I was out in my yard playing on a trampoline with my daughter and my husband and his friend was outside too and all of a.sudden a piece of satilite fell from the sky and landed in the street. Then this huge satilite fell from the sky and destroyed the house across the street. The explosion was very loud. All of us ran and my husbands friend clipped out. That's all that I remember from my dream.

I told my husband about it and it was no big deal. I thought it was just a.random dream and nothing more. Until I read this thread. Now I'm freaked by it.

It could mean nothing at all though. Dreams are wack and I always have strange dreams. I might be feeding into this but I still find it strange that I had.this dream last night and I am just know coming across this Info about phobos grunt.
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quit reading right there
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With any luck at all, maybe it will hit Washington DC while a joint session is being addressed by Barry and Joe.
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the altitude is higher than yesterday...how did it drop?
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the altitude is higher than yesterday...how did it drop?
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It's an elliptical orbit. It drops as it heads to perigee and it rises as it heads to apogee. You have to plot the average altitude over a long time to see the rate of decay, which isn't revealed by looking at its altitude at any one point in time.
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When it get ready to fall for real, pin a thread.
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the altitude is higher than yesterday...how did it drop?
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The lowest altitude is not higher, it's actually much lower. Altitude is 118.50mi as of 4:50pm EST, almost another full mile in half a day. Like I said in the original post, it may take a while of watching because it takes 90 minutes for a rotation. Astromut said it very well. If you just happen to glance at the page it may be at one of its higher points at that time. The important part to note is the lowest point. It is dropping very steadily. It was not doing this 2 days ago.

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