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CFR: Obama Changes Iran Policy - Gives up on Negotiating.

 
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What needs to be addressed is the disturbing reality that the Obama administration's approach offers no viable endgame for dealing with Iran's current leadership.

By embracing maximalist measures, the White House has come full circle, abandoning, along the way, its earlier optimistic efforts at engagement.

In doing so, it has implicitly relinquished the prospect of negotiating with the Islamic regime: given the ayatollahs' innate mistrust of the West, they cannot be nudged into a constructive negotiating process by measures that exacerbate their vulnerability.

American policy is now effectively predicated on achieving political change in Tehran.


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they want a war so all the stupid ass people in the USA will say: Oh, we can;t change presidents during a war, and the fools will rally behind this moron.

So transparently ignorant.
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they want a war so all the stupid ass people in the USA will say: Oh, we can;t change presidents during a war, and the fools will rally behind this moron.

So transparently ignorant.
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If what you say is true, he will end doing the right think for the wrong reason
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Morning Mods - thanks for pin!

hf
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Glp should change its name to Ilp....IranlikeProductions


just what this site needs another iran thread jerkit
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Morning Mods - thanks for pin!

hf
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what u mean thanks for the pinn? u look surprised its pinned

anything with iran or an anti muslim threads gets pinned, doesnt take a genius to figure that out
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they want a war so all the stupid ass people in the USA will say: Oh, we can;t change presidents during a war, and the fools will rally behind this moron.

So transparently ignorant.
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If what you say is true, he will end doing the right think for the wrong reason
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I was just thinking the exact same thing... Watch for it here it comes...
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Morning Mods - thanks for pin!

hf
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what u mean thanks for the pinn? u look surprised its pinned

anything with iran or an anti muslim threads gets pinned, doesnt take a genius to figure that out
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Reverse psychology does not work at GLP. So move along moran.
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What needs to be addressed is the disturbing reality that the Obama administration's approach offers no viable endgame for dealing with Iran's current leadership.

By embracing maximalist measures, the White House has come full circle, abandoning, along the way, its earlier optimistic efforts at engagement.

In doing so, it has implicitly relinquished the prospect of negotiating with the Islamic regime: given the ayatollahs' innate mistrust of the West, they cannot be nudged into a constructive negotiating process by measures that exacerbate their vulnerability.

American policy is now effectively predicated on achieving political change in Tehran.


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When have we ever seriously negotiated with Iran?

Never has it happened, not since the Shah left power.
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All signs coming out of Washington, London, Paris and Tel Aviv are pointing towards a pre-emptive military strike against Iran in 2012.

But a number of key indicators are also pointing towards an unsuccessful, unlikely operation, whose failure could result in a military and economic tailspin from which the United States and Israel are unlikely to recover.

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they want a war so all the stupid ass people in the USA will say: Oh, we can;t change presidents during a war, and the fools will rally behind this moron.

So transparently ignorant.
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That's the whole idea, tried and true way to get re-elected
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All signs coming out of Washington, London, Paris and Tel Aviv are pointing towards a pre-emptive military strike against Iran in 2012.

But a number of key indicators are also pointing towards an unsuccessful, unlikely operation, whose failure could result in a military and economic tailspin from which the United States and Israel are unlikely to recover.

[link to www.globalresearch.ca]
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... jerkit

Really?
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hillary Wonder what the war-watching-room photos will look like this time..
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CFR Crisis Guide to Iran

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Big test for Obama as Turkey to seek U.S. waiver on Iran oil

President Obama will shortly get a major test on Iran as Turkey is planning to seek a waiver from the United States that would exempt its biggest refiner from new U.S. sanctions on institutions that deal with Iran's central bank.


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Big test for Obama as Turkey to seek U.S. waiver on Iran oil

President Obama will shortly get a major test on Iran as Turkey is planning to seek a waiver from the United States that would exempt its biggest refiner from new U.S. sanctions on institutions that deal with Iran's central bank.


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Therein lies the issue. The "sanctions" have more holes than swiss cheese.

What most people don't know, and what MSM is NOT reporting is that the Prez has the capability to provide "exemptions."
"Nothing is as far away as one minute ago." --Jim Bishop

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Why would any country ask for approval from the US to be exempt to buy oil from Iran?. If they want to buy oil from Iran, then that's their business. WTF is so wrong with this.
You don't need to ask another country for permission. The US does not own the land or oil rights.. Holy smokes..!
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Why would any country ask for approval from the US to be exempt to buy oil from Iran?. If they want to buy oil from Iran, then that's their business. WTF is so wrong with this.
You don't need to ask another country for permission. The US does not own the land or oil rights.. Holy smokes..!
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yea i dont fully understand this. if anyone has a grasp please tell. to me it seems like the majority of these people also do business with the US. so take that and couple it with oil being traded with the US dollar i guess there are ways the government can "lean on them". i see it as a school girl saying if you are friends with her i wont invite you to my birthday party.
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Why would any country ask for approval from the US to be exempt to buy oil from Iran?. If they want to buy oil from Iran, then that's their business. WTF is so wrong with this.
You don't need to ask another country for permission. The US does not own the land or oil rights.. Holy smokes..!
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yea i dont fully understand this. if anyone has a grasp please tell. to me it seems like the majority of these people also do business with the US. so take that and couple it with oil being traded with the US dollar i guess there are ways the government can "lean on them". i see it as a school girl saying if you are friends with her i wont invite you to my birthday party.
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It would be nice if we lived in an idealistic society.

Unfortunately, we are at the mercy of the Illuminati.
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I've been telling everyone that the Iran war is on.
It will happen this year.
Obama is counting on that "no war time president has ever lost re-election" thing.
He'll have the real men go off and get killed and maimed just so he can feed his narcissism.
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Why would any country ask for approval from the US to be exempt to buy oil from Iran?. If they want to buy oil from Iran, then that's their business. WTF is so wrong with this.
You don't need to ask another country for permission. The US does not own the land or oil rights.. Holy smokes..!
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yea i dont fully understand this. if anyone has a grasp please tell. to me it seems like the majority of these people also do business with the US. so take that and couple it with oil being traded with the US dollar i guess there are ways the government can "lean on them". i see it as a school girl saying if you are friends with her i wont invite you to my birthday party.
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It would be nice if we lived in an idealistic society.

Unfortunately, we are at the mercy of the Illuminati.
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right on ^^^
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People always think something's all true.

It's funny. All you have to do is say something nobody understands and they'll do practically anything you want them to.

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Why would any country ask for approval from the US to be exempt to buy oil from Iran?. If they want to buy oil from Iran, then that's their business. WTF is so wrong with this.
You don't need to ask another country for permission. The US does not own the land or oil rights.. Holy smokes..!
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yea i dont fully understand this. if anyone has a grasp please tell. to me it seems like the majority of these people also do business with the US. so take that and couple it with oil being traded with the US dollar i guess there are ways the government can "lean on them". i see it as a school girl saying if you are friends with her i wont invite you to my birthday party.
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Historically the US government always finds a way to get even if another country does something it does not like. The US is your friend as long as you play the game the way they want or you have something they want. If Turkey does not get the exemption and then goes ahead with getting Iranian oil anyways, you can bet the US will retaliate in some way that sticks a knife between Turkey's ribs in some fashion, be it economic, technology, military support/contracts.
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they want a war so all the stupid ass people in the USA will say: Oh, we can;t change presidents during a war, and the fools will rally behind this moron.

So transparently ignorant.
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That's the whole idea, tried and true way to get re-elected
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interesting ...falls in line with the idea of by exective order refinancing everyone FHA mortage and renting the foreclosed homes ....gee....it is only a election year...
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Thread: BREAKING ---- WWIII Countdown: jewish people controlled CFR Declares "Time To Attack Iran"
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Why would any country ask for approval from the US to be exempt to buy oil from Iran?. If they want to buy oil from Iran, then that's their business. WTF is so wrong with this.
You don't need to ask another country for permission. The US does not own the land or oil rights.. Holy smokes..!
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yea i dont fully understand this. if anyone has a grasp please tell. to me it seems like the majority of these people also do business with the US. so take that and couple it with oil being traded with the US dollar i guess there are ways the government can "lean on them". i see it as a school girl saying if you are friends with her i wont invite you to my birthday party.
 Quoting: malfunkshun007


That's probably about right. It IS a global sandbox, after all. Who else uses violence to settle differences, other than children, criminals, and politicians?

I'm guessing it has everything to do with NATO. Yeah, we don't own Iran, and Turkey can do whatever it wants, but we do own NATO, and you don't want to get sideways with the biggest bully on the block, upon whom you depend to protect you from the other bullies.
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If Iran didn't have any oil, we wouldn't even be over there.....
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Everyone is of the opinion that Iran will be attacked to stave off their getting nuclear weapons and becoming an existential threat to Israel. How come no one follows that logic with wondering what will happen when nuclear armed France and Great Britain are finally Islamized demographically? What do you suppose will happen then? I wonder what "they" are planning when that occurs?
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dumb fucking anglo saxon empire can't understand why they dont trust us???????
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they want a war so all the stupid ass people in the USA will say: Oh, we can;t change presidents during a war, and the fools will rally behind this moron.

So transparently ignorant.
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Yeah Just Like they Rallied behind the Moron Bush!!!!!
You can't stop smart!!!
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What if all this escalation is setting up an Obama led peace accord in a Carter sort of way? Unlikely but possible. I can't see Obama getting reelected if the US militarily engages Iran. He was elected on a peace focused platform. Such a move makes Ron Paul the only viable alternative as well because all of the other GOP candidates would approve engaging Iran militarily.
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