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Interesting bit of "detective work"...
Hadn't seen this before, so obviously DON'T know if it's been debunked but figured that someone here will certainly let me know :)

“Very Interesting Bit Of Detective Work”

1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is 'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time?

2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in " Kenya , East Africa ". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the " British East Africa Protectorate".

3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital ". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

Resources:

[link to www.kapiolani.org]


Post-colonial history (from Wikipedia)
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Other than their obvious agenda to keep him in office, why hasn't this been discussed in the major lame-stream media?????
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Super-sleuthing, broseph.
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holy shit.
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Are there NO COMMENTS from GLP about this???
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1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is 'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time?
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I have two thoughts on this, if true. One... is a birth certificate was thrown together quickly to appease the masses by someone not too bright or concerned with details. Two is...the mistakes were deliberate, expecting someone to point them out later on in order to manipulate the elections. Either way.....Ron Paul 2012!!!!
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also....his dad is a british subject therefore he ain't an american...both parents has to be an american citizen or naturalized american to called an natural born american citizen...anything else guys..
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Wow! You really nailed it for real!
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Most interesting find in the entire birthed campaigns!

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That issue was raised probably within 2 days after the certificate first hit the net. To my knowledge nobody has debunked it yet though.

As far as I know the Negro error still stands valid.
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Re: Interesting bit of "detective work"...
Hadn't seen this before, so obviously DON'T know if it's been debunked but figured that someone here will certainly let me know :)

“Very Interesting Bit Of Detective Work”

1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is 'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time?

2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in " Kenya , East Africa ". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the " British East Africa Protectorate".

3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital ". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

Resources:

[link to www.kapiolani.org]


Post-colonial history (from Wikipedia)
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Other than their obvious agenda to keep him in office, why hasn't this been discussed in the major lame-stream media?????
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You fail at reading.

It says his father's birth place is "Kenya, East Africa." Note how that is formed, it is important. The country is listed as East Africa, the location within said country as Kenya. The Colony of Kenya was located in British East Africa. It's like saying Newfoundland, Canada. You can't pretend Canada isn't stuck to the end of the location.

It is a very good question how Obama's birth certificate states he is an African American. Especially seeing as how "African-American" is nowhere on said document. It does state his father is "African," which being from Africa is very likely.

Yes, I'm sure there were indeed a KauiKeolani Children's Hospital and Kapi'olani Maternity Home. Good thing we are instead talking about Kapiʻolani Hospital, formerly known as Kapiʻolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital (currently the Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children)
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Re: Interesting bit of "detective work"...
That issue was raised probably within 2 days after the certificate first hit the net. To my knowledge nobody has debunked it yet though.

As far as I know the Negro error still stands valid.
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Snopes debunked it well over a year ago because the accusations are so erroneous as to be laughable
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Re: Interesting bit of "detective work"...
That issue was raised probably within 2 days after the certificate first hit the net. To my knowledge nobody has debunked it yet though.

As far as I know the Negro error still stands valid.
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Snopes debunked it well over a year ago because the accusations are so erroneous as to be laughable
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anopes has been debunked for validation years ago
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There's nothing wrong with the word negro. It's a beautiful word and I encourage others to use it often.
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Re: Interesting bit of "detective work"...
also....his dad is a british subject therefore he ain't an american...both parents has to be an american citizen or naturalized american to called an natural born american citizen...anything else guys..
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Black's Law Dictionary
Black's Law Dictionary (9th Edition) defines 'Natural Born Citizen' as "A person born within the jurisdiction of a national government."

Congressional Research Service
A memorandum to Congress dated April 3, 2009, written by the Congressional Research Service (CRS), states:
Considering the history of the constitutional qualifications provision, the common use and meaning of the phrase "natural-born subject" in England and in the Colonies in the 1700s, the clause's apparent intent, the subsequent action of the first Congress in enacting the Naturalization Act of 1790 (expressly defining the term "natural born citizen" to include a person born abroad to parents who are United States citizens), as well as subsequent Supreme Court dicta, it appears that the most logical inferences would indicate that the phrase "natural born Citizen" would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth."

Academic opinions
In a 2008 article published by the Michigan Law Review Lawrence Solum, Professor of Law at the University of Illinois, stated that "there is general agreement on the core of [the] meaning [of the Presidential Eligibility Clause]. Anyone born on American soil whose parents are citizens of the United States is a 'natural born citizen'". In April 2010, Solum republished the same article as an online draft, in which he changed his opinion on the meaning of natural born citizen to include persons born in the United States of one American citizen parent. In a footnote he explained that "based on my reading of the historical sources, there is no credible case that a person born on American soil with one American parent was clearly not a 'natural born citizen'." He further extended natural born citizenship to all cases of jus soli as the "conventional view". Although Professor Solum stated elsewhere that the two-citizen-parents arguments "weren't crazy", he believes "the much stronger argument suggests that if you were born on American soil that you would be considered a natural born citizen."

Ronald Rotunda, Professor of Law at Chapman University, stated, "There's some people who say that both parents need to be citizens. That's never been the law." Polly Price, Professor of Law at Emory University, added, "It's a little confusing, but most scholars think it's a pretty unusual position for anyone to think the natural born citizen clause would exclude someone born in the [United States]." Professor Chin concurred with that assessment, stating, "there is agreement that 'natural born citizens' include those made citizens by birth under the 14th Amendment." Similarly, Eugene Volokh, Professor of Law at UCLA, found "quite persuasive" the reasoning employed by the Indiana Court of Appeals, which had ruled "that persons born within the borders of the United States are 'natural born Citizens' for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents." Daniel Takaji, Professor of Law at Ohio State University, agrees the citizenship status of a U.S.-born candidate's parents is irrelevant.
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It says "African" Not "African American", because he was African and "African" was term used at the time, detective.
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In 1920 the British East Africa Protectorate became the colony of Kenya.
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Are there NO COMMENTS from GLP about this???
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Check thru the archives.

I know I commented a few years ago. I know many others did, too.
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Re: Interesting bit of "detective work"...
FIRST FALSE PREMISE (some might call these outright Lies, but who am I to say)



1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is 'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time? The correct term would be "Malado" one black parent, one white parent.



ANSWER: No where on the birth certificate does it say the President Obama was "African-American" ....The only mentions of Africa on the birth certificate are that his father was African (nationality of all Africa born people is African) and his father's birthplace is listed as Kenya, East Africa. ---



Here is an example you might be able to understand. If you were born in the United States your nationality is "American" and your specific birth location might be Dallas, TX.



P.S. the correct spelling of the term for a person with one white parent and one black parent is Mulatto, not Malado.





SECOND FALSE PREMISE



2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4,1961 lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in " Kenya, East Africa".
This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth.



ANSWER: The British Empire established the East African Protectorate in 1895 when the area of current Kenya was a British Protectorate. It became a British Colony in 1920 and was known as Kenya Colony.The name was changed to Republic of Kenya when Britain granted Kenya independence in 1964 and it ceased to be a British Colony, BUT HAS BEEN CALLED "KENYA" SINCE 1920, WHEN IT WAS NAMED FOR MT. KENYA.





THIRD FALSE PREMISE (OR LIE)



3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".
This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged.

How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?



ANSWER: Because the name was changed in 1931, not 1978 (see history of the various names below



Founded in 1890 by Queen Kapi'olani, it original name was named Kapiʻolani Home of the Hoolu and Hoola Lahui Society (society to propagate

and perpetuate the race).

In 1918 it changed name to Kapi'olani Maternity Home

In 1931, its name was changed to the Kapiʻolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.

In 1971 the name was changed to Kapi'olani Hospital



The KauiKeolani Children's Hospital was a separate entity, and merged with Kapi'olani/Children's Medical Center starting in 1976 and completed the merger in 1986.





FOURTH PREMISE Not strictly a lie, but certainly blown out of proportion.



President Obama was speaking of his grandfather, Stanley Dunham, a WWII Army Veteran, who raised Pres. Obama most of his young life, and the most important male figure in the President's life. The President regarded his grandfather as his real "father figure" , although he was not the President's biological father. Anyone who has been raised by a good non-biological parent (such as adoptees, or uncle, or grandfather will understand this feeling).



Now, in the interest of truth in emails, I suggest you send this to all the people you forwarded it to, and to the person who sent it to you. Stop drinking the KoolAid and do your own research from factual materials, not from hysterical rants.

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