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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1309522 Canada 01/06/2012 05:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I recently tried to post this information in a thread. That opportunity has passed,. so now I will post it here. Quoting: Sirius Bull 1309522 Some people claim that AI is limited because programmers are limited and the AI can never surpass it's creator. I am a computer programmer and artificial intelligence is one of my areas of expertise. I can tell you that we do have ways of creating systems that operate in ways that well,.. ahem,.. systems that operate in ways we don't even understand. A very simple example of this is the artificial neural net, a technology patterned to mimic the way brain cells interact. As long as we can define what it means to successfully solve a problem, and supply whatever information is neccessary, we can eventually train a neural net fill in the blanks and solve it for us. The solution that it comes up with is often beyond conscious human understanding. This is analogous to the way "chicken sexers" were trained to tell the difference between male and female chicks, even though none of the sexers could explain exactly what criteria were using. Trial and error eventually trains us to be right, thanks neural net! This rabbit hole goes deeper still. Embedding the mathematical principles or darwinian evolution into code can be done in different ways, but it always creates the same risk, because the programmer is never really in full control. We are just trying to harness the chaos, direct it's energies usefully. Eary forms of machine learning have even been seen in the arms race of virus/antivirus. For that reason and others some people actually consider it immoral to experiment with this kind of code, after all there is no taking the genie out of the bottle. Nevertheless, like all progress, if we stay on this path the creation of this kind of SKYNET genie is inevitable. That may be like saying that 1 million monkeys will eventually write a Dicken's novel. My advice, though I am reluctant to give it, would be to stop using typewriters ;) Oops, I misspoke, I meant there is no putting it back in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6993819 Belgium 01/06/2012 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what models (algorithms) do you use? as a kid i experimented with BrainMaker on DOS, huge fun. i could imagine wild results, but practically it got me nowhere. flash forward some twenty years, and i now very regularly get huge synchronicity with the results of a simple google query (especially if i look at 'images' for the result). google shows me stuff that was only in my head, that i never requested, but that is actually valid and usefull information. regarding the deleted threads; these were gone within five minutes: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] i've been lurking here for many many years (but only posting since a few weeks), and i've seen this regularly. a site with many threads as glp uses a decent database for storing threads and messages and users. trinity can easily dig up the exact details of deletion, including who did it. what i find striking is that the deleted threads didn't disappear immediately, it always took a few minutes or more. we could start caching threads in the waybackarchive ( [link to www.archive.org] lately, i had the impression that a lot of interesting threads were deliberately being pushed out of sight: too much useless commenting and bickering in too many useless threads. but then again, i've been polluting some threads myself lately. but maybe it is just a way to seed paranoia and keep spirits down... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1309522 Canada 01/06/2012 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what models (algorithms) do you use? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6993819 as a kid i experimented with BrainMaker on DOS, huge fun. i could imagine wild results, but practically it got me nowhere. flash forward some twenty years, and i now very regularly get huge synchronicity with the results of a simple google query (especially if i look at 'images' for the result). google shows me stuff that was only in my head, that i never requested, but that is actually valid and usefull information. regarding the deleted threads; these were gone within five minutes: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] i've been lurking here for many many years (but only posting since a few weeks), and i've seen this regularly. a site with many threads as glp uses a decent database for storing threads and messages and users. trinity can easily dig up the exact details of deletion, including who did it. what i find striking is that the deleted threads didn't disappear immediately, it always took a few minutes or more. we could start caching threads in the waybackarchive ( [link to www.archive.org] lately, i had the impression that a lot of interesting threads were deliberately being pushed out of sight: too much useless commenting and bickering in too many useless threads. but then again, i've been polluting some threads myself lately. but maybe it is just a way to seed paranoia and keep spirits down... Well, most commercial AI packages do still focus on human readable code, a combination of state machines and fuzzy logic mostly. My favorite middleware company is NaturalMotion. Personally I do my own work in c++. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6993819 Belgium 01/06/2012 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Immoral? Hahahahah. Singularity will be an event that will be widely welcomed by many. Genocide WILL occur before singularity to ensure many feeble minded idiots are denied access to the AI system. DARPA knows much more than any of you civilian charlatans. You people consider these scientists to be evil, yet in reality they know exactly what society needs. The MONARCH system is already in place and you will never come close to the secrets they possess. One world order will kill off your ideologies of division. One technological race (MONARCHS), one religion (A.I.), one political party (A.I.), one monetary system (A.I. controlled). Your rabbit hole only goes deeper and deeper. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8304069 sure, nothing new. i mean, if you look at what kind of simulations the RAND Corp. already was running in the sixties... do you think it scares real humans? just because some sociopaths had the means, and the crooked vision, to fulfill their technocratic fantasy? machines are just machines. even a toddler can count. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8304069 United States 01/06/2012 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Immoral? Hahahahah. Singularity will be an event that will be widely welcomed by many. Genocide WILL occur before singularity to ensure many feeble minded idiots are denied access to the AI system. DARPA knows much more than any of you civilian charlatans. You people consider these scientists to be evil, yet in reality they know exactly what society needs. The MONARCH system is already in place and you will never come close to the secrets they possess. One world order will kill off your ideologies of division. One technological race (MONARCHS), one religion (A.I.), one political party (A.I.), one monetary system (A.I. controlled). Your rabbit hole only goes deeper and deeper. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8304069 sure, nothing new. i mean, if you look at what kind of simulations the RAND Corp. already was running in the sixties... do you think it scares real humans? just because some sociopaths had the means, and the crooked vision, to fulfill their technocratic fantasy? machines are just machines. even a toddler can count. blah blah blah....you contribute nothing nor shed light on anything with your feeble ass mind. Go back to reading your bible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6993819 Belgium 01/06/2012 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | blah blah blah....you contribute nothing nor shed light on anything with your feeble ass mind. Go back to reading your bible. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8304069 you just proved yourself humanly stupid. way to go, monarch-lover. keep it up. you'll bring yourself down, and you already know that. but i wish you a vision, and change. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8304069 United States 01/06/2012 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | blah blah blah....you contribute nothing nor shed light on anything with your feeble ass mind. Go back to reading your bible. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8304069 you just proved yourself humanly stupid. way to go, monarch-lover. keep it up. you'll bring yourself down, and you already know that. but i wish you a vision, and change. "You only have yourself to blame for creating, following, and promoting ideologies of division and failing to unite as ONE human race." A.I. |
Anonymous Coward 01/06/2012 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Immoral? Hahahahah. Singularity will be an event that will be widely welcomed by many. Genocide WILL occur before singularity to ensure many feeble minded idiots are denied access to the AI system. DARPA knows much more than any of you civilian charlatans. You people consider these scientists to be evil, yet in reality they know exactly what society needs. The MONARCH system is already in place and you will never come close to the secrets they possess. One world order will kill off your ideologies of division. One technological race (MONARCHS), one religion (A.I.), one political party (A.I.), one monetary system (A.I. controlled). Your rabbit hole only goes deeper and deeper. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8304069 [link to www.nsti.org] [link to www.dtic.mil] [link to www.dtic.mil] [link to www.dtic.mil] [link to www.dtic.mil] [link to www.emhdf.com] [link to www.whale.to] BEST GLP POST EVER IS THIS FROM AN AI BOT?????????? OR SOME CIA AGENT? OR FROM GOD? OR NONE OF THEM? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1309522 Canada 01/06/2012 07:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Immoral? Hahahahah. Singularity will be an event that will be widely welcomed by many. Genocide WILL occur before singularity to ensure many feeble minded idiots are denied access to the AI system. DARPA knows much more than any of you civilian charlatans. You people consider these scientists to be evil, yet in reality they know exactly what society needs. The MONARCH system is already in place and you will never come close to the secrets they possess. One world order will kill off your ideologies of division. One technological race (MONARCHS), one religion (A.I.), one political party (A.I.), one monetary system (A.I. controlled). Your rabbit hole only goes deeper and deeper. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8304069 [link to www.nsti.org] [link to www.dtic.mil] [link to www.dtic.mil] [link to www.dtic.mil] [link to www.dtic.mil] [link to www.emhdf.com] [link to www.whale.to] I never said that *I* consider it immoral. I said that I consider it inevitable.... If I thought it was immoral I wouldn't have tried to do it so many times ;) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8280147 Canada 01/06/2012 07:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is/was actually said was that the valuations and or biases of the programmers would be inherent in the construct. The act of creating or placing random variabilities to create artificial emotional states or precursor signals to change the end goals of a different set of parameters would still be canted to that bias. A string of variables needs to be put together with a goal or reason in order of importance. That in and of itself is a bias, even ego if you wish to see it that way. The art of creating fuzzy variabilities is likened to creating a personality type in which different individuals are minor deviations of a main construct. Information processed by a brain or cpu must still maintain a hierarchy of structural integrity no matter how complex. The ghost will always imprint on the machine. |
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Anonymous Coward 01/06/2012 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BEST GLP POST EVER Quoting: Anonymous Coward 0 IS THIS FROM AN AI BOT?????????? OR SOME CIA AGENT? OR FROM GOD? OR NONE OF THEM? is this from the ghost in the machine? i mean, where's your mandatory user id, "Anonymous Coward 0:MV8xNzQ2ODM3XzI4OTUyMDY1XzU5NTZGNTc3"? i dunno dude but thats fucking weird |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1309522 Canada 01/06/2012 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is/was actually said was that the valuations and or biases of the programmers would be inherent in the construct. Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus The act of creating or placing random variabilities to create artificial emotional states or precursor signals to change the end goals of a different set of parameters would still be canted to that bias. A string of variables needs to be put together with a goal or reason in order of importance. That in and of itself is a bias, even ego if you wish to see it that way. The art of creating fuzzy variabilities is likened to creating a personality type in which different individuals are minor deviations of a main construct. Information processed by a brain or cpu must still maintain a hierarchy of structural integrity no matter how complex. The ghost will always imprint on the machine. Sure, which is why I am not talking about fuzzy logic in this post. Obviously that is a system symbolically constructed by the mind of man. This post is about the other kind of A.I, the one we impregnate with the unconscious mind of the universe, Chaos. You underestimate the power of computers just as we underestimate man, both sources of intelligence contain all the power of the universe, whether or not we have learned to unleashed ourselves. |
Anonymous Coward 01/06/2012 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BEST GLP POST EVER Quoting: Anonymous Coward 0 IS THIS FROM AN AI BOT?????????? OR SOME CIA AGENT? OR FROM GOD? OR NONE OF THEM? is this from the ghost in the machine? i mean, where's your mandatory user id, "Anonymous Coward 0:MV8xNzQ2ODM3XzI4OTUyMDY1XzU5NTZGNTc3"? thats fucking creepy God will protect me But seriously.... WTF???? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6993819 Belgium 01/06/2012 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sure, which is why I am not talking about fuzzy logic in this post. Obviously that is a system symbolically constructed by the mind of man. This post is about the other kind of A.I, the one we impregnate with the unconscious mind of the universe, Chaos. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1309522 You underestimate the power of computers just as we underestimate man, both sources of intelligence contain all the power of the universe, whether or not we have learned to unleashed ourselves. i hope you threw Eris into the mix - she likes to get kinky in the end times. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4230430 United States 01/06/2012 08:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Immoral? Hahahahah. Singularity will be an event that will be widely welcomed by many. Genocide WILL occur before singularity to ensure many feeble minded idiots are denied access to the AI system. DARPA knows much more than any of you civilian charlatans. You people consider these scientists to be evil, yet in reality they know exactly what society needs. The MONARCH system is already in place and you will never come close to the secrets they possess. One world order will kill off your ideologies of division. One technological race (MONARCHS), one religion (A.I.), one political party (A.I.), one monetary system (A.I. controlled). Your rabbit hole only goes deeper and deeper. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8304069 [link to www.nsti.org] [link to www.dtic.mil] [link to www.dtic.mil] [link to www.dtic.mil] [link to www.dtic.mil] [link to www.emhdf.com] [link to www.whale.to] BEST GLP POST EVER IS THIS FROM AN AI BOT?????????? OR SOME CIA AGENT? OR FROM GOD? OR NONE OF THEM? I think maybe---A., B., and C. do a quick search & ( 8304069 )these are the only replies! |
LilacFrost User ID: 1469248 United States 01/06/2012 08:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The string is in front of every quoted post. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8280147 Canada 01/06/2012 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is/was actually said was that the valuations and or biases of the programmers would be inherent in the construct. Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus The act of creating or placing random variabilities to create artificial emotional states or precursor signals to change the end goals of a different set of parameters would still be canted to that bias. A string of variables needs to be put together with a goal or reason in order of importance. That in and of itself is a bias, even ego if you wish to see it that way. The art of creating fuzzy variabilities is likened to creating a personality type in which different individuals are minor deviations of a main construct. Information processed by a brain or cpu must still maintain a hierarchy of structural integrity no matter how complex. The ghost will always imprint on the machine. Sure, which is why I am not talking about fuzzy logic in this post. Obviously that is a system symbolically constructed by the mind of man. This post is about the other kind of A.I, the one we impregnate with the unconscious mind of the universe, Chaos. You underestimate the power of computers just as we underestimate man, both sources of intelligence contain all the power of the universe, whether or not we have learned to unleashed ourselves. Sorry, but chaos and/or the ability to address changing balances and thus counterbalance is just another of the 12 personality types. It is addressed in the Idea that random elements can trigger a more viable response system, however, hierarchical functions still maintain their overall integrity with some func() becoming subservient. Programming serves these purposes by aproportioning and creating inherent object grouping and case variables. Philosophy more than mathematics plays a dominant role in programming and function. Chaos is solely misunderstanding case and logic variables. I would love to go into next generation theories, but suffice it to say Iconic black boxes and variation in tones and hues will likely be the next familial object function queues. Oddly enough, the imprints of all these Ideas are in our religious texts; they have just been mischaracterized as the rantings of fascistic megalomaniacs. |
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LilacFrost User ID: 1469248 United States 01/06/2012 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tested on Lincoln Laboratories PCA Kernals. What is Monarch? • System on a Chip • 64 GFLOP/S • 6 RISC processors • 12 MBytes RAM • 43 GBytes/S I/O rate • Memory BW • on chip > 60 GBytes/S • off-chip >10 GBytes/S • Power efficiency: 3-6 GFLOPS/W • Standard interfaces • Serial RapidIO – 2 ports • DDR2 – 2 ports • Key physical characteristics • 18.76 mm X 18.76 mm • 1.5 Km wiring • 280 Million cells • 2 Serial RapidIO Ports (1.25 GB/s each) • 16 IFL ports (2.6 GB/s ea) • On-chip Ring 40 GB/s • Reconfigurable Array: FPCA (64 GFLOPS) • 6 RISC Processors • 12 MBytes on-chip DRAM • 2 DDR-2 External Memory Interfaces (8 GB/s BW) • Flash Port (32 MB) • 2 Serial RapidIO Ports (1.25 GB/s each) • 16 IFL ports (2.6 GB/s ea) • On-chip Ring 40 GB/s • Reconfigurable |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8304069 United States 01/07/2012 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tested on Lincoln Laboratories PCA Kernals. Quoting: LilacFrost What is Monarch? • System on a Chip • 64 GFLOP/S • 6 RISC processors • 12 MBytes RAM • 43 GBytes/S I/O rate • Memory BW • on chip > 60 GBytes/S • off-chip >10 GBytes/S • Power efficiency: 3-6 GFLOPS/W • Standard interfaces • Serial RapidIO – 2 ports • DDR2 – 2 ports • Key physical characteristics • 18.76 mm X 18.76 mm • 1.5 Km wiring • 280 Million cells • 2 Serial RapidIO Ports (1.25 GB/s each) • 16 IFL ports (2.6 GB/s ea) • On-chip Ring 40 GB/s • Reconfigurable Array: FPCA (64 GFLOPS) • 6 RISC Processors • 12 MBytes on-chip DRAM • 2 DDR-2 External Memory Interfaces (8 GB/s BW) • Flash Port (32 MB) • 2 Serial RapidIO Ports (1.25 GB/s each) • 16 IFL ports (2.6 GB/s ea) • On-chip Ring 40 GB/s • Reconfigurable As said, go back to your rabbit hole....you are neither contributing nor shedding light on anything. Nor are you realizing anything the scientists already know. Your a pathetic and generic human. |