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Women and the Bible----Christianity only gives us whores and virgins to identify with.

 
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This is what made me walk away from Christianity. There isn't much there for women, it becomes obvious that the bible was used in part to stamp out the feminine, or altogether obscure it.

This is what happened during the Crusades and the Inquisition---murder of those who were herbalists, naturalists and Gnostics.

What does a woman get from the bible aside from a male saviour archetype to which she could never identify--as a woman?

The other alternative is essentially, a whore or a virgin mother. These two are so at odds to one another. it seems like a set-up for failure.

If you're a mother and not a virgin--basically you're a whore or prostitute.

What does Christianity do for you girls? Please don't simply quote bible scripture, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the issue instead--I've read the bible many times over.

The best analogy the bible gives for the feminine is to refer to her as Wisdom in Proverbs.

Other than that, it doesn't leave much to go on for women.
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Can you substantiate your claim of bullshit?

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This is what made me walk away from Christianity. There isn't much there for women, it becomes obvious that the bible was used in part to stamp out the feminine, or altogether obscure it.

This is what happened during the Crusades and the Inquisition---murder of those who were herbalists, naturalists and Gnostics.

What does a woman get from the bible aside from a male saviour archetype to which she could never identify--as a woman?

The other alternative is essentially, a whore or a virgin mother. these are so at odds to one another?

If you're a mother and not a virgin--basically you're a whore or prostitute.

What does Christianity do for you girls? Please don't simply quote bible scripture, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the issue instead--I've read the bible many times over.

The best analogy the bible gives for the feminine is to refer to her as Wisdom in Proverbs.

Other than that, it doesn't leave much to go on for women.
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....well it was the work of corrupt, stupid and delusions men
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This is what made me walk away from Christianity. There isn't much there for women, it becomes obvious that the bible was used in part to stamp out the feminine, or altogether obscure it.

This is what happened during the Crusades and the Inquisition---murder of those who were herbalists, naturalists and Gnostics.

What does a woman get from the bible aside from a male saviour archetype to which she could never identify--as a woman?

The other alternative is essentially, a whore or a virgin mother. these are so at odds to one another?

If you're a mother and not a virgin--basically you're a whore or prostitute.

What does Christianity do for you girls? Please don't simply quote bible scripture, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the issue instead--I've read the bible many times over.

The best analogy the bible gives for the feminine is to refer to her as Wisdom in Proverbs.

Other than that, it doesn't leave much to go on for women.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


....well it was the work of corrupt, stupid and delusions men
 Quoting: humanitech 8389701


Agreed, but I do not think they were stupid.

I don't see what christian women get from Christianity except for more oppression via patriarchy.

It's obvious that it was used to BURY the divine feminine.

I don't see how some christian women do it.
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Can you substantiate your claim of bullshit?

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There is no such thing as the divine feminine , that is just pagan garbage ! God has a natural order and it goes like this , God , Man , Woman . I think you just have a problem with pride .
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What is about the mothers mentioned there as well? hmmmm
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Can you substantiate your claim of bullshit?

Go ahead.
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There is no such thing as the divine feminine , that is just pagan garbage ! God has a natural order and it goes like this , God , Man , Woman . I think you just have a problem with pride .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8408768


Who told you it was just pagan garbage?

Let me guess, it was the bible.

Circular logic gets nowhere.
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Can you substantiate your claim of bullshit?

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There is no such thing as the divine feminine , that is just pagan garbage ! God has a natural order and it goes like this , God , Man , Woman . I think you just have a problem with pride .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8408768


Who told you it was just pagan garbage?

Let me guess, it was the bible.

Circular logic gets nowhere.
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Well obviously it is Pagan garbage , it is in rebellion to God and His Law .
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Can you substantiate your claim of bullshit?

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There is no such thing as the divine feminine , that is just pagan garbage ! God has a natural order and it goes like this , God , Man , Woman . I think you just have a problem with pride .
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So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27
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Can you substantiate your claim of bullshit?

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There is no such thing as the divine feminine , that is just pagan garbage ! God has a natural order and it goes like this , God , Man , Woman . I think you just have a problem with pride .
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So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27
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Yes .
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Jesus was approached and asked which woman he would be with to which he replied, none of them cause man and woman would be like the angels in heaven i.e =


sorry I dont read it so much as I can do word for word quotes and give out chapter numbers.
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You should read about Esther, she was neither. Same with Sarah and many others.
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You should read about Esther, she was neither. Same with Sarah and many others.
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+1 And Miriam and Ruth .
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Can you substantiate your claim of bullshit?

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There is no such thing as the divine feminine , that is just pagan garbage ! God has a natural order and it goes like this , God , Man , Woman . I think you just have a problem with pride .
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So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27
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Yes .
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Yes to the divine female?
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There is no such thing as the divine feminine , that is just pagan garbage ! God has a natural order and it goes like this , God , Man , Woman . I think you just have a problem with pride .
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So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27
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Yes .
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Yes to the divine female?
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No that is not what it means . We are not divine , only God is .
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This is what made me walk away from Christianity. There isn't much there for women, it becomes obvious that the bible was used in part to stamp out the feminine, or altogether obscure it.

This is what happened during the Crusades and the Inquisition---murder of those who were herbalists, naturalists and Gnostics.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


seems obvious. the divine feminine was acknowledged at delphi prior to its destruction. in ancient cyprus aphrodite was the divine feminine, goddess of nature. jesus was nothing without mary and vice versa.

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According to most religions, God hates women
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There is no such thing as the divine feminine , that is just pagan garbage ! God has a natural order and it goes like this , God , Man , Woman . I think you just have a problem with pride .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8408768


Who told you it was just pagan garbage?

Let me guess, it was the bible.

Circular logic gets nowhere.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


Well obviously it is Pagan garbage , it is in rebellion to God and His Law .
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oops2
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So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27
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Yes .
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Yes to the divine female?
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No that is not what it means . We are not divine , only God is .
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That´s not what I have meant: there is origin for the feminine in heaven.
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OP, I've felt God's Word to be empowering as a woman.

You mentioned Proverbs where wisdom is personified as a woman but that's not even what's flattering. What about chapter 31 of Proverbs? (verses 10-31)

Also research one of YHVH's names: El Shaddai which reveals His feminine side as a giver and nurturer. I found this little read for you: [link to godslogic.org]
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You should read about Esther, she was neither. Same with Sarah and many others.
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Miriam, Ruth, Esther, Sarah...



Miriam abandoned her baby along the banks of a river. (Let's all be like her).

Ruth sleeps with some dude and then hopes that he will "redeem" her through marriage. Nice. So empowering.

Esther was part of a Persian harem. HAREM.

Sarah was the half-sister of Abraham her husband. Incest.
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You should also read of Deborah in Judges ch.4. Even Jael sounds like a tough woman. ;)
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You should read about Esther, she was neither. Same with Sarah and many others.
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Miriam, Ruth, Esther, Sarah...



Miriam abandoned her baby along the banks of a river. (Let's all be like her).

Ruth sleeps with some dude and then hopes that he will "redeem" her through marriage. Nice. So empowering.

Esther was part of a Persian harem. HAREM.

Sarah was the half-sister of Abraham her husband. Incest.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


Your heart is obviously hardened so no matter what we say , you will put a negative spin on it .
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You should read about Esther, she was neither. Same with Sarah and many others.
 Quoting: Lion of Judah


Miriam, Ruth, Esther, Sarah...



Miriam abandoned her baby along the banks of a river. (Let's all be like her).

Ruth sleeps with some dude and then hopes that he will "redeem" her through marriage. Nice. So empowering.

Esther was part of a Persian harem. HAREM.

Sarah was the half-sister of Abraham her husband. Incest.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


Miriam was Moses sister, she looked after him as a babe when their mother sent him down the river to SAVE him from being SLAUGHTERED by pharoah.

The book of Esther is controversial and probably could have been left out of the canon.

Ruth and Sarah are part of the genealogy that produced Jesus Christ. That seed line HAD to be kept pure.
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Persuasion tactic, like you said.

If you don't join us virgin, your a whore or prostitute.

Like the governments slang a few years back to do with terrorists, "if your not with us your against us".

What if i don't care for either side, and am actually wiser and smarter than both sides combined, you could put that into religion as well,

Im wiser and smarter than God and Devil COMBINED, so what entity are you gonna create to control me?

...GoDeviLuciJes


Be wiser and smarter than either "side" combined, that's my way.
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This is what made me walk away from Christianity. There isn't much there for women, it becomes obvious that the bible was used in part to stamp out the feminine, or altogether obscure it.

This is what happened during the Crusades and the Inquisition---murder of those who were herbalists, naturalists and Gnostics.

What does a woman get from the bible aside from a male saviour archetype to which she could never identify--as a woman?

The other alternative is essentially, a whore or a virgin mother. These two are so at odds to one another. it seems like a set-up for failure.

If you're a mother and not a virgin--basically you're a whore or prostitute.

What does Christianity do for you girls? Please don't simply quote bible scripture, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the issue instead--I've read the bible many times over.

The best analogy the bible gives for the feminine is to refer to her as Wisdom in Proverbs.

Other than that, it doesn't leave much to go on for women.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


Sorry OP, I don't agree. (I'm a woman btw)

The Bible is a love letter from God to His Bride(The Church).
In the Old Testament, He saw her and loved her with an everlasting love.
He courted her. He anointed her with oil and he gave her the finest of everything. He adorned her with gold and jewels. Ultimately, leading up to dying for her so that they can live for eternity together.
He is sharing his inheritance with her. They've become one. She is His everything even so much unto the point of His death so that she may have life. He is a gentleman and never forced her to be with Him. He gave her a choice. He protects her character and dignity. He absorbs the pain so she won't have to.
Christ is the perfect man and the model husband.


Ezekiel 16.
hf
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Who told you it was just pagan garbage?

Let me guess, it was the bible.

Circular logic gets nowhere.

 Quoting: SecondPrecession

I guess you do not know the definition of Pagan:

1) pertaining to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim.

2) Paganism (from Latin paganus, meaning "country dweller", "rustic"[1]) is a blanket term, typically used to refer to non-Abrahamic, indigenous polytheistic religious traditions.
So it is "pagan" by definition, any way you want to slice it.
The Bible lists many other famous Women like; Miriam, Ruth and Esther as role models. (You must have missed reading about them)
If you really knew what you were talking about it would help. Otherwise it just garbage.
It really defeats your cause of promoting the feminine.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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You should read about Esther, she was neither. Same with Sarah and many others.
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Miriam, Ruth, Esther, Sarah...



Miriam abandoned her baby along the banks of a river. (Let's all be like her).

Ruth sleeps with some dude and then hopes that he will "redeem" her through marriage. Nice. So empowering.

Esther was part of a Persian harem. HAREM.

Sarah was the half-sister of Abraham her husband. Incest.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


Miriam was Moses sister, she looked after him as a babe when their mother sent him down the river to SAVE him from being SLAUGHTERED by pharoah.

The book of Esther is controversial and probably could have been left out of the canon.

Ruth and Sarah are part of the genealogy that produced Jesus Christ. That seed line HAD to be kept pure.
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Oh, so incest is godly?
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Who told you it was just pagan garbage?

Let me guess, it was the bible.

Circular logic gets nowhere.

 Quoting: SecondPrecession

I guess you do not know the definition of Pagan:

1) pertaining to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim.

2) Paganism (from Latin paganus, meaning "country dweller", "rustic"[1]) is a blanket term, typically used to refer to non-Abrahamic, indigenous polytheistic religious traditions.
So it is "pagan" by definition, any way you want to slice it.
The Bible lists many other famous Women like; Miriam, Ruth and Esther as role models. (You must have missed reading about them)
If you really knew what you were talking about it would help. Otherwise it just garbage.
It really defeats your cause of promoting the feminine.
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Well, the bible doesn't say much about these powerless women, now does it?

And you fail to know the origin of your own religion via Judaism and other cosmologies that pre-date it.

Otherwise, you'd know that the term "pagan" means nothing to anyone but a christian.

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