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Women and the Bible----Christianity only gives us whores and virgins to identify with.

 
Jay
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But the same names are being used over and over and over.

Do you know how many derivations of Mary have been recycled again and again? Mary, Marie, Maria, etc.

The women of the bible are extremely few.

A few Marys, and a Ruth, Judith, Esther, Jael, Deborah. Most only get a passing mention, like Martha.

Others are doomed only to wife of somebody and have no consequence on their own.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


Men and women have different roles in life. You are not a man and are not as physically strong as a man. Thus women's role is different as a wife of the man. Men are leaders of the church and village thus they are recorded almost exclusively in the geneologies.

Again, you are just being rebellious. Women are subject to the men as men are subject to God. This is for many reasons. As you see Christian women today there is compromises on all sides. But women certainly do not run the house or churches. Such a thing is a failure.
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Yes, we should mind our place, huh? Oh Look! Strong, smart men have brought us to the brink of destruction and women have sat on the sidelines looking at the absurdity of big, fat Humpty Dumpty.
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Men did no such thing. Rome's empire has been ruling for 2300 years. Bible right again.
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There were Gnostics before the racist bible and Mary was one. They knew they didn't need an outside mediator to commune with their god within. I also reject the war mongering lords of the bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1444651


Gnosticism is a corruption of the new testament which Cabala is a corruption of the old testament, one to deceive the Christians the other for the Jewish.

The war mongers were the babylonians. They were judged and got what they deserved. Had they not we would have been slaves long ago.

Your preaching sux gaah
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Was it not a woman that Christ first appeared to after his resurrection?

Wow OP, i've never felt degraded because of my belief in Christianity.

Oh and BTW, in my household we are all equal. Hubby does his part at work, and I do my part here at home. He brings home the paycheck, I go out and pay the bills.

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you forgot about this---

man

Then the LORD God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being

woman

But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man

so Adam was created with the Gods breath of life , but Eve didnt get the breath, she had to come from Adam
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This is what made me walk away from Christianity. There isn't much there for women, it becomes obvious that the bible was used in part to stamp out the feminine, or altogether obscure it.

This is what happened during the Crusades and the Inquisition---murder of those who were herbalists, naturalists and Gnostics.

What does a woman get from the bible aside from a male saviour archetype to which she could never identify--as a woman?

The other alternative is essentially, a whore or a virgin mother. These two are so at odds to one another. it seems like a set-up for failure.

If you're a mother and not a virgin--basically you're a whore or prostitute.

What does Christianity do for you girls? Please don't simply quote bible scripture, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the issue instead--I've read the bible many times over.

The best analogy the bible gives for the feminine is to refer to her as Wisdom in Proverbs.

Other than that, it doesn't leave much to go on for women.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


Sad perspective. The closest and most trusted disciple was a woman, Mary Magdalene. The Messiah is the most prominent advocate of gender equality in history and this is suppose to be a turn off to women?

In Aramaic, "Magdala" means "tower" or "elevated, great, magnificent".

You might have the wrong interpretation of her being cleansed of seven demons. Check out the Gospel of Mary:

"18) When the soul had overcome the third power, it went upwards and saw the fourth power, which took seven forms.

19) The first form is darkness, the second desire, the third ignorance, the fourth is the excitement of death, the fifth is the kingdom of the flesh, the sixth is the foolish wisdom of flesh, the seventh is the wrathful wisdom. These are the seven powers of wrath."

The little dummy Andrew and some of the others even raged over the elevation of a woman as more wise than the men:

"2) But Andrew answered and said to the brethren, Say what you wish to say about what she has said. I at least do not believe that the Savior said this. For certainly these teachings are strange ideas."
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Was it not a woman that Christ first appeared to after his resurrection?

Wow OP, i've never felt degraded because of my belief in Christianity.

Oh and BTW, in my household we are all equal. Hubby does his part at work, and I do my part here at home. He brings home the paycheck, I go out and pay the bills.

:)
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He brings home the paycheck, and you sit on your ass and post hatred on the web. :)
I throw idiots on the bbq...™

Best Idiot Idiom so far:
You are about as far from the truth as can be ! thats why you are a EvilBugger
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Truth is like a bird, if you capture it, it will change its voice and color.
Words are like this bird, captured in a book.
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Hi Op, I know you asked not to have Bible quotes but I'm afraid it is the only way to get things in the open for discussion.

Sadly, the people who believe in the Bible continually miss the contradictions contained within it.

One of the biggest flaws is the treatment of women. As ordered by two main protagonists Moses and Paul.

From day 1 Eve apparently was tempted by the devil, and she in turn tempted Adam... OMG we couldn't blame man for not resisting - Omniscient GOD gave mankind the ability to think and analyse and somehow women got the blame for that gift... How crazy is that?

Moses made up heaps of laws and pretended they were from GOD. How Christians can oppress gays for instance and not follow the other Mosaic laws at the same time is beyond logic.

This Mosaic law is particularly offensive.

Deuteronomy 22:20-21 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.


Most intelligent people know that menstrual blood on the sheets is NOT a test of virginity, and there are many causes of the hymen breaking other than sex.

How many innocent women were killed under this craziness?

Now to Paul who said about women in Church

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


About women generally

1 Timothy 2:11-14 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.


Finishing with the line Adam was not deceived is simply untrue.

Thankyou for your thread. Sorry Christians, but how can you accept any of this stuff on women as GOD's wishes?
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did you miss large parts of the bible? try reading Acts again for example
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Basically if you are a woman you are damned to a standstill of your own spiritual evolution to be the pet of the man who knows better because he is stronger.

Same as darwin's law and you wonder why the world is what it is now.
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My goodness, you are missing the point! The scriptures are about redemption!

Try to find ONE (man or woman) that wasn't full of weakness, sin etc, and every one of them were loaded with faults but turned around by their encounters with an ALMIGHTY and LOVING God.

Why don't you try it sometime?
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did you miss large parts of the bible? try reading Acts again for example
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It's not whether I missed large parts of the Bible that needs to be answered. It is how can you have missed the oppression of women in the Bible.

How can you accept that your GOD can allow men to oppress women, by blaming woman for everything? How can you accept man's teachings as representing GODS?

How can Christians prevent women from travelling their full spiritual journeys by allowing Paul's teachings to dominate your thinking?
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Have you noticed that nearly all religions are overly concerned with managing and/or controlling women?
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you forgot about this---

man

Then the LORD God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being

woman

But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man

so Adam was created with the Gods breath of life , but Eve didnt get the breath, she had to come from Adam
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Nice !!!
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This is what made me walk away from Christianity. There isn't much there for women, it becomes obvious that the bible was used in part to stamp out the feminine, or altogether obscure it.

This is what happened during the Crusades and the Inquisition---murder of those who were herbalists, naturalists and Gnostics.

What does a woman get from the bible aside from a male saviour archetype to which she could never identify--as a woman?

The other alternative is essentially, a whore or a virgin mother. These two are so at odds to one another. it seems like a set-up for failure.

If you're a mother and not a virgin--basically you're a whore or prostitute.

What does Christianity do for you girls? Please don't simply quote bible scripture, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the issue instead--I've read the bible many times over.

The best analogy the bible gives for the feminine is to refer to her as Wisdom in Proverbs.

Other than that, it doesn't leave much to go on for women.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


It is the same main reason I left Christianity as well op. Just as you said above when you look at the actions of the church almost from the beginning there is a consistent systemic oppression of the sacred feminine, and the rights and needs of real life flesh and blood women.

I eventually found my way to nature based faith that venerates both the sacred feminine and the masculine as well as the divine merging of those two energies into one non-gendered entity.
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Proud and rebellious Women are hell bound !!! How foolish .
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Pride , the same sin that made Lucifer fall too , many Liliths on this thread !
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What do you expect from a garbage religion started in the goat-fucking Middle East?
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I didn't walk away from Christianity, but left the Catholic Church.

Though I had wanted to be a nun, but in truth I had wanted to a be a theologian and they were all men.

Of course Religious Studies and Philosophy, then perhaps taking a Counseling Course would have been even better.

Up until then I kept telling myself the reason God wanted only male priests in the Church's is because women already were the best counselors, good at healing professions, so that God must have wanted men to stretch and grow more, as they were so often, though not totally deficient in this and hence wanted men to be priests in order to grow more as they needed to learn these skills. So a pretty reverse feministic reason. The university priest who left the catholic to become an Anglican Priest, due to women being ordained thought that was funny.

Then it dawned on me that this was not the reason, that God was not in these rules, when a priest spoke up I realized this was primarily the corrupt leadership.

There is many things in the bible that I don't agree with.

Mother WAS THE TREE OF LIFE. She was Sophia. We are in the Womb being born.

Then they did something terrible to Sophia, and women, so they could promote WARS and inequality and walk over all the people and resources, and erect obelisks, GIANT PENIS'S EVERYWHERE, and made eve the temptress instead. While they long to be adrogynous.

Well we're not adrogynous. Two into One is not losing self ever, it is UNITY. Uniting equal energies. Freedom and Equality.

Christ Yeshua did not represent anything the Church's do.

I don't like any religion. But Christ and Buddha, who should be combined in spiritual books and meditation journals, are two wonderful teachers.

I went to the Anglican Church for a few years after that because they had many ordained Female Priests.

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I didn't walk away from Christianity, but left the Catholic Church.

Though I had wanted to be a nun, but in truth I had wanted to a be a theologian and they were all men.

Of course Religious Studies and Philosophy, then perhaps taking a Counseling Course would have been even better.

Up until then I kept telling myself the reason God wanted only male Church's is because women already were the best counselors, good at healing professions, so that God have wanted men to stretch and grow more, as they were so often, though not totally deficient in this.

Then it dawned on me that this was not the reason, that God was not in these rules, when a priest spoke up I realized this was primarily the corrupt leadership.

There is many things in the bible that I don't agree with.

Mother WAS THE TREE OF LIFE. She was Sophia. We are in the Womb being born.

Then they did something terrible to Sophia, and women, so they could promote WARS and inequality and walk over all the people and resources, and erect obelisks, GIANT PENIS'S EVERYWHERE, and made eve the temptress instead. While they long to be adrogynous.

Well we're not adrogynous. Two into One is not losing self ever, it is UNITY. Uniting equal energies. Freedom and Equality.

Christ Yeshua did not represent anything the Church's do.

I don't like any religion. But Christ and Buddha, who should be combined in spiritual books and meditation journals, are two wonderful teachers.

I went to the Anglican Church for a few years after that because they had many ordained Female Priests.
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There are no priestesses in the Bible , the priesthood belongs to the Sons of Aaron .
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I didn't walk away from Christianity, but left the Catholic Church.

Though I had wanted to be a nun, but in truth I had wanted to a be a theologian and they were all men.

Of course Religious Studies and Philosophy, then perhaps taking a Counseling Course would have been even better.

Up until then I kept telling myself the reason God wanted only male Church's is because women already were the best counselors, good at healing professions, so that God have wanted men to stretch and grow more, as they were so often, though not totally deficient in this.

Then it dawned on me that this was not the reason, that God was not in these rules, when a priest spoke up I realized this was primarily the corrupt leadership.

There is many things in the bible that I don't agree with.

Mother WAS THE TREE OF LIFE. She was Sophia. We are in the Womb being born.

Then they did something terrible to Sophia, and women, so they could promote WARS and inequality and walk over all the people and resources, and erect obelisks, GIANT PENIS'S EVERYWHERE, and made eve the temptress instead. While they long to be adrogynous.

Well we're not adrogynous. Two into One is not losing self ever, it is UNITY. Uniting equal energies. Freedom and Equality.

Christ Yeshua did not represent anything the Church's do.

I don't like any religion. But Christ and Buddha, who should be combined in spiritual books and meditation journals, are two wonderful teachers.

I went to the Anglican Church for a few years after that because they had many ordained Female Priests.
 Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn


There are no priestesses in the Bible , the priesthood belongs to the Sons of Aaron .
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If you have a problem with that , maybe you should bring it up with God .

Those were the names of Aaron's sons, the anointed priests, who were ordained to serve as priests. Numbers 3:3

For I have taken the breast of the wave offering and the thigh of the contribution from the sons of Israel from the sacrifices of their peace offerings, and have given them to Aaron the priest and to his sons as their due forever from the sons of Israel. Leviticus 7:34
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When you're called to faith, young, by feeling the Spirit in the Word its hard to leave the Church.

My family was athiestic, and agnostic. My grandmother was the Catholic. And her home was always filled with the Spirit of Peace and Love, though she always got cranky over the world, and the satanists running hollywood and the world and would smash dishes around at times, always choosign to wash the dishes to calm down. She had a dream about all the people of the world being fed into this giant corporate machine, and she would awake in the night praying for the third world children. But there was so much peace and intelligence in their home.

I started reading her bible, and there was Presence in the Word, so I read the whole thing. There is only Presence in some of the wonderful passages and in Christ's words, the Truth and Love is there, so even as a pre-teen I knew that alot of the bible was written by man for control.

In the Church, there was Presence. Catholics are good people, my cousin went to the Alliance and its a Church for the dog eat doggers, not compassionate to the poor. Not like Christ.

But the Catholics were the grass roots people, farming commmunity, and shared food and things alot. They are taught that good works are equally needed to faith.

And despite all the coding to Saturn in the Church, you can feel the Presence of the Spirit of Peace and Love and the Holy Spirit strongly in the Church.

I liked the Catholic Church mass best out of all the masses, its sacramental, peaceful, meditative.

And that priest, he been raised Catholic and Baptist and was a really good speaker so he didn't gain by the Baptist faith, he craved the meditation and sacraments of the Catholic too. But in university someone suggested he should become a priest, he felt this calling too. So had I of course.

But he was going to marry, he knew, so his girlfriend said, They Just Ordained the First Female Minister in the Anglican Church in Canada.

That was it, he became an Anglican Priest, he used that word due to his Catholic roots.

And, he spoke of Mary alot. He was a University Professor, and had to do an emergency stint in parish for a few years, and so he was criticized by some in the congregation for bringing up Mary alot.

He said, that when people understood, that God was Both Mother and Father, Male and Female, then perhaps the so called cult of Mary this woman had brought up, might not be as important.
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Somebody is angry...

People are people and have issues and flaws. Look at all of the men in the bible who did horrible things (most of them), much worse then the whores and virgins.

I think the bottom line here is jesus came to save all the people of the world, man and woman. The bible is filled with terrible deeds, if it wasn't, there would have been no reason for him to come.

Same thing with Noah's story. It is world cleansing, both man and woman.

We are once again proving how much we are all flawed and near the point of "cleansing" once again.

Embrace your womanly self and those things that were god given to your gender. Don't look for role models in the bible, but rather look around you. There are good people in this world (currently). Most of all be the best you can be.

Love thy self
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Somebody is angry...

People are people and have issues and flaws. Look at all of the men in the bible who did horrible things (most of them), much worse then the whores and virgins.

I think the bottom line here is jesus came to save all the people of the world, man and woman. The bible is filled with terrible deeds, if it wasn't, there would have been no reason for him to come.

Same thing with Noah's story. It is world cleansing, both man and woman.

We are once again proving how much we are all flawed and near the point of "cleansing" once again.

Embrace your womanly self and those things that were god given to your gender. Don't look for role models in the bible, but rather look around you. There are good people in this world (currently). Most of all be the best you can be.

Love thy self
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For years I thought about taking counseling and hypnotherapy, as art therapy was my goal, and then ministry training of some sort for a kind of unique universal spiritual center, Christ, Buddha, and because kids need this, and its not easy to raise 5 boys with good principals without Church, and I can't go to any religions. Alot of meditation and psi development too. The Vedas as well, more of, come as you are.
But only the light squares would be used as inspiration, the other parts of religious writings would be studied to analyze the controllers plans here.

Now, its more about holding light and equality, not walking in any expected way or conventional way.

IMO there won't be time for all of this.

And a true spiritual center like that would also study the great philosphers, have workshops, and the kids would not have to wait till higher levels of university to encounter Seneca for example. And Quantum Physics/Metaphysics.

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All I see is OP ignoring the finer attributes (courage, selflessness, faithfulness and honor) of many of these women, and focusing only on labels. OP makes a point of Esther being in a HAREM *gasp*, and ignores the story of her being chosen as Queen, her bravery in saving her people.

Seems to me OP is doing the same thing she likes to accuse the Bible of doing, and she obviously has a dirty mind to boot.
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But the same names are being used over and over and over.

Do you know how many derivations of Mary have been recycled again and again? Mary, Marie, Maria, etc.

The women of the bible are extremely few.

A few Marys, and a Ruth, Judith, Esther, Jael, Deborah. Most only get a passing mention, like Martha.

Others are doomed only to wife of somebody and have no consequence on their own.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


Men and women have different roles in life. You are not a man and are not as physically strong as a man. Thus women's role is different as a wife of the man. Men are leaders of the church and village thus they are recorded almost exclusively in the geneologies.

Again, you are just being rebellious. Women are subject to the men as men are subject to God. This is for many reasons. As you see Christian women today there is compromises on all sides. But women certainly do not run the house or churches. Such a thing is a failure.
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Failure is Christianity.

Just look at the past 2000 years.
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The failure is not Christianity but what people have done with it. They have used it in a wrong way to hurt others. That is not what Jesus wanted or preached about. Everything can be used in a good and bad way. We need water to live but we can also drown ourselves and others in it. But in no way is it the water's fault. It is the way it has been used. And in no way would I want to get rid of water. Just use it properly.
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Reading the bible also woke me up to a different reality, op. The bible does not portray women in a positive light and certainly not as the equals they were supposed to be.

Combine this with the actions of the men I observed within church congregations and I realized at a young age that life was full of hypocritical leaders and a book that my own higher power was telling me was not the truth.
"The wise man's home is the universe." ~ Democrites

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Your retarded feminazi rants amuse me.
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Rush, is that you?
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Face it, God doesn't give a shit about women.