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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1450913 United States 01/07/2012 04:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is what made me walk away from Christianity. There isn't much there for women, it becomes obvious that the bible was used in part to stamp out the feminine, or altogether obscure it. Quoting: SecondPrecession This is what happened during the Crusades and the Inquisition---murder of those who were herbalists, naturalists and Gnostics. What does a woman get from the bible aside from a male saviour archetype to which she could never identify--as a woman? The other alternative is essentially, a whore or a virgin mother. These two are so at odds to one another. it seems like a set-up for failure. If you're a mother and not a virgin--basically you're a whore or prostitute. What does Christianity do for you girls? Please don't simply quote bible scripture, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the issue instead--I've read the bible many times over. The best analogy the bible gives for the feminine is to refer to her as Wisdom in Proverbs. Other than that, it doesn't leave much to go on for women. Sorry OP, I don't agree. (I'm a woman btw) The Bible is a love letter from God to His Bride(The Church). In the Old Testament, He saw her and loved her with an everlasting love. He courted her. He anointed her with oil and he gave her the finest of everything. He adorned her with gold and jewels. Ultimately, leading up to dying for her so that they can live for eternity together. He is sharing his inheritance with her. They've become one. She is His everything even so much unto the point of His death so that she may have life. He is a gentleman and never forced her to be with Him. He gave her a choice. He protects her character and dignity. He absorbs the pain so she won't have to. Christ is the perfect man and the model husband. Ezekiel 16. Bible has lots of examples on the male saviour. ie. how to be like the perfect husband, etc. But it falls short on the feminine. and tells us to identify with Jesus--a man. How can a woman identify as a man? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2566322 United States 01/07/2012 04:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You should read about Esther, she was neither. Same with Sarah and many others. Quoting: Lion of Judah Miriam, Ruth, Esther, Sarah... Miriam abandoned her baby along the banks of a river. (Let's all be like her). Ruth sleeps with some dude and then hopes that he will "redeem" her through marriage. Nice. So empowering. Esther was part of a Persian harem. HAREM. Sarah was the half-sister of Abraham her husband. Incest. Miriam was Moses sister, she looked after him as a babe when their mother sent him down the river to SAVE him from being SLAUGHTERED by pharoah. The book of Esther is controversial and probably could have been left out of the canon. Ruth and Sarah are part of the genealogy that produced Jesus Christ. That seed line HAD to be kept pure. Oh, so incest is godly? LOL what a stupid thing to say. The flesh never has anything to do with godliness. You know the Rothschilds are also incestuous, they do this to keep their bloodline 'pure.' |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1450913 United States 01/07/2012 04:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You should read about Esther, she was neither. Same with Sarah and many others. Quoting: Lion of Judah Miriam, Ruth, Esther, Sarah... Miriam abandoned her baby along the banks of a river. (Let's all be like her). Ruth sleeps with some dude and then hopes that he will "redeem" her through marriage. Nice. So empowering. Esther was part of a Persian harem. HAREM. Sarah was the half-sister of Abraham her husband. Incest. Your heart is obviously hardened so no matter what we say , you will put a negative spin on it . Oh noes, a "hardened" heart. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1450913 United States 01/07/2012 04:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: SecondPrecession Miriam, Ruth, Esther, Sarah... Miriam abandoned her baby along the banks of a river. (Let's all be like her). Ruth sleeps with some dude and then hopes that he will "redeem" her through marriage. Nice. So empowering. Esther was part of a Persian harem. HAREM. Sarah was the half-sister of Abraham her husband. Incest. Miriam was Moses sister, she looked after him as a babe when their mother sent him down the river to SAVE him from being SLAUGHTERED by pharoah. The book of Esther is controversial and probably could have been left out of the canon. Ruth and Sarah are part of the genealogy that produced Jesus Christ. That seed line HAD to be kept pure. Oh, so incest is godly? LOL what a stupid thing to say. The flesh never has anything to do with godliness. You know the Rothschilds are also incestuous, they do this to keep their bloodline 'pure.' Well apparently divinity could only be preserved through incest? Why? Fact still remains that Sarah married and bore children with her half-brother. That is incest. I am not the one justifying it--you are. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2566322 United States 01/07/2012 04:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2566322 Miriam was Moses sister, she looked after him as a babe when their mother sent him down the river to SAVE him from being SLAUGHTERED by pharoah. The book of Esther is controversial and probably could have been left out of the canon. Ruth and Sarah are part of the genealogy that produced Jesus Christ. That seed line HAD to be kept pure. Oh, so incest is godly? LOL what a stupid thing to say. The flesh never has anything to do with godliness. You know the Rothschilds are also incestuous, they do this to keep their bloodline 'pure.' Well apparently divinity could only be preserved through incest? Why? Fact still remains that Sarah married and bore children with her half-brother. That is incest. I am not the one justifying it--you are. There's nothing to justify about incest in the bible. It is what it is and its not about poor southern hillbilly incest. Christ had to be born of the Adamic seed line. The fallen angels continually tried to corrupt that seed line to prevent the birth of Christ. So, obviously much was done to keep the Adamic seed line pure. Hey I dont like it anymore than you do. But it is what it is. We've always been told that incest would only create retards but why do the Rothschilds do it and continue to 'prosper?' |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1450913 United States 01/07/2012 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | LOL what a stupid thing to say. The flesh never has anything to do with godliness. You know the Rothschilds are also incestuous, they do this to keep their bloodline 'pure.' Well apparently divinity could only be preserved through incest? Why? Fact still remains that Sarah married and bore children with her half-brother. That is incest. I am not the one justifying it--you are. There's nothing to justify about incest in the bible. It is what it is and its not about poor southern hillbilly incest. Christ had to be born of the Adamic seed line. The fallen angels continually tried to corrupt that seed line to prevent the birth of Christ. So, obviously much was done to keep the Adamic seed line pure. Hey I dont like it anymore than you do. But it is what it is. We've always been told that incest would only create retards but why do the Rothschilds do it and continue to 'prosper?' So incest is fine when people in the bible do it. but for others, it's wrong. That's just my point. It's okay for God to say--"thou shalt not kill" to his people, but it's okay when they go off killing in the name of God. Incest is fine too, as long as you're preserving the bloodline of Christ. I love your comparison of the Rothschilds to this. I don't know whether to laugh or what. Has it ever occurred to you that the Rothschilds are a continuation of this same bloodline--and the SAME folks that sold us all a common book of worship--ie. the Torah and eventually the Bible as an extension of it? Of course it has never occurred to you---the bible is Holy to you because it told you that it was Holy to you. We call this circular logic. I don't like incest, but it was okay when Jesus' ancestors were doing it--it was the only way. The Rothschilods are evil though, for their incest because it isn't incest to glorify God. Can you not see the problem with that? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1155690 United States 01/07/2012 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is what made me walk away from Christianity. There isn't much there for women, it becomes obvious that the bible was used in part to stamp out the feminine, or altogether obscure it. Quoting: SecondPrecession This is what happened during the Crusades and the Inquisition---murder of those who were herbalists, naturalists and Gnostics. What does a woman get from the bible aside from a male saviour archetype to which she could never identify--as a woman? The other alternative is essentially, a whore or a virgin mother. These two are so at odds to one another. it seems like a set-up for failure. If you're a mother and not a virgin--basically you're a whore or prostitute. What does Christianity do for you girls? Please don't simply quote bible scripture, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the issue instead--I've read the bible many times over. The best analogy the bible gives for the feminine is to refer to her as Wisdom in Proverbs. Other than that, it doesn't leave much to go on for women. Wait... what?? I respect your opinion on christianity. But how in the heck could you possibly come to that conclusion? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2566322 United States 01/07/2012 04:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So incest is fine when people in the bible do it. but for others, it's wrong. Quoting: SecondPrecession That's just my point. It's okay for God to say--"thou shalt not kill" to his people, but it's okay when they go off killing in the name of God. Incest is fine too, as long as you're preserving the bloodline of Christ. I love your comparison of the Rothschilds to this. I don't know whether to laugh or what. Has it ever occurred to you that the Rothschilds are a continuation of this same bloodline--and the SAME folks that sold us all a common book of worship--ie. the Torah and eventually the Bible as an extension of it? Of course it has never occurred to you---the bible is Holy to you because it told you that it was Holy to you. We call this circular logic. I don't like incest, but it was okay when Jesus' ancestors were doing it--it was the only way. The Rothschilods are evil though, for their incest because it isn't incest to glorify God. Can you not see the problem with that? I never said incest was fine - I personally would never commit it. LOL For one thing, you're not looking at the big universal picture you're too focused with what is happening in the earthly human realm. Families like the Rothschilds are sons of Cain, Cain is the offspring of Satan w/ Eve. This makes them sons of Satan In Rev 2:9 and 3:9 they are the ones PRETENDING to be of Judah but are NOT. Their incest is to glorify Satan and his seedline. |
waterlily User ID: 6650697 United States 01/07/2012 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are enough good women in the Bible to have supplied 2000 years of baby girls with given names. Look it up. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Mary Magdalene was a whore. That is modern day liberal opinion. Look it up. Find the quote for yourself. Find some other translations for "virgin", or a hebrew scholar's opinion, don't use modern day english meaning of the word. It sounds to me like you are reading somebody else's opinions and taking them for your own rather than taking up the book and reading for yourself. Let's look at a few examples that were overlooked. You forgot the other Mary, that is Mary, sister of Lazarus, and Martha, her sister. Mentioned many time in episodes of Jesus' life. What about all the hundreds of women of the old Testament? For heaven's sake, what about the Queen of Sheba? Now there is a role model, not only a queen, but an adventuresome, curious and probably very intelligent woman. She had a lot of guts. If you are looking for in-your-face feminists, you won't find many, tho the contentious woman, who is mentioned more than once, might fit the bill. Go do your own investigating to see what is really there, then make an honest informed opinion of your own. *********** WaterLily *********** " Do I dare Disturb the universe?" -- T. S. Elliot, Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock ************************************* “We are as ignorant of the meaning of the dragon as we are of the meaning of the universe.” -- Jorge Luis Borges ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Pompey made his preparations for the war at the end of the winter, entered upon it at the commencement of spring, and finished it in the middle of the summer." -- Cicero, De Imperio Cn. Pompei |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2566322 United States 01/07/2012 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is what made me walk away from Christianity. There isn't much there for women, it becomes obvious that the bible was used in part to stamp out the feminine, or altogether obscure it. Quoting: SecondPrecession This is what happened during the Crusades and the Inquisition---murder of those who were herbalists, naturalists and Gnostics. What does a woman get from the bible aside from a male saviour archetype to which she could never identify--as a woman? The other alternative is essentially, a whore or a virgin mother. These two are so at odds to one another. it seems like a set-up for failure. If you're a mother and not a virgin--basically you're a whore or prostitute. What does Christianity do for you girls? Please don't simply quote bible scripture, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the issue instead--I've read the bible many times over. The best analogy the bible gives for the feminine is to refer to her as Wisdom in Proverbs. Other than that, it doesn't leave much to go on for women. Sorry OP, I don't agree. (I'm a woman btw) The Bible is a love letter from God to His Bride(The Church). In the Old Testament, He saw her and loved her with an everlasting love. He courted her. He anointed her with oil and he gave her the finest of everything. He adorned her with gold and jewels. Ultimately, leading up to dying for her so that they can live for eternity together. He is sharing his inheritance with her. They've become one. She is His everything even so much unto the point of His death so that she may have life. He is a gentleman and never forced her to be with Him. He gave her a choice. He protects her character and dignity. He absorbs the pain so she won't have to. Christ is the perfect man and the model husband. Ezekiel 16. Bible has lots of examples on the male saviour. ie. how to be like the perfect husband, etc. But it falls short on the feminine. and tells us to identify with Jesus--a man. How can a woman identify as a man? That AC gave a beautiful example and you completely missed the point. God's children are considered His bride. God's treatment to the bride of Christ should be unlifting to know that is how God expects men to treat women. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2566322 United States 01/07/2012 04:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is what made me walk away from Christianity. There isn't much there for women, it becomes obvious that the bible was used in part to stamp out the feminine, or altogether obscure it. Quoting: SecondPrecession This is what happened during the Crusades and the Inquisition---murder of those who were herbalists, naturalists and Gnostics. What does a woman get from the bible aside from a male saviour archetype to which she could never identify--as a woman? The other alternative is essentially, a whore or a virgin mother. These two are so at odds to one another. it seems like a set-up for failure. If you're a mother and not a virgin--basically you're a whore or prostitute. What does Christianity do for you girls? Please don't simply quote bible scripture, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the issue instead--I've read the bible many times over. The best analogy the bible gives for the feminine is to refer to her as Wisdom in Proverbs. Other than that, it doesn't leave much to go on for women. Sorry OP, I don't agree. (I'm a woman btw) The Bible is a love letter from God to His Bride(The Church). In the Old Testament, He saw her and loved her with an everlasting love. He courted her. He anointed her with oil and he gave her the finest of everything. He adorned her with gold and jewels. Ultimately, leading up to dying for her so that they can live for eternity together. He is sharing his inheritance with her. They've become one. She is His everything even so much unto the point of His death so that she may have life. He is a gentleman and never forced her to be with Him. He gave her a choice. He protects her character and dignity. He absorbs the pain so she won't have to. Christ is the perfect man and the model husband. Ezekiel 16. Bible has lots of examples on the male saviour. ie. how to be like the perfect husband, etc. But it falls short on the feminine. and tells us to identify with Jesus--a man. How can a woman identify as a man? That AC gave a beautiful example and you completely missed the point. God's children are considered His bride. God's treatment to the bride of Christ should be unlifting to know that is how God expects men to treat women. *uplifting (not unlifting) |
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Anonymous Coward 01/07/2012 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with brainwashing young bitches with Christianity to keep them from being little hoes. It works and it's for your own good. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1450913 United States 01/07/2012 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are enough good women in the Bible to have supplied 2000 years of baby girls with given names. Look it up. Quoting: waterlily Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Mary Magdalene was a whore. That is modern day liberal opinion. Look it up. Find the quote for yourself. Find some other translations for "virgin", or a hebrew scholar's opinion, don't use modern day english meaning of the word. It sounds to me like you are reading somebody else's opinions and taking them for your own rather than taking up the book and reading for yourself. Let's look at a few examples that were overlooked. You forgot the other Mary, that is Mary, sister of Lazarus, and Martha, her sister. Mentioned many time in episodes of Jesus' life. What about all the hundreds of women of the old Testament? For heaven's sake, what about the Queen of Sheba? Now there is a role model, not only a queen, but an adventuresome, curious and probably very intelligent woman. She had a lot of guts. If you are looking for in-your-face feminists, you won't find many, tho the contentious woman, who is mentioned more than once, might fit the bill. Go do your own investigating to see what is really there, then make an honest informed opinion of your own. Let's be realistic here. The bible MENTIONS women, who are usually wives subject to the whim of men or their husbands. Or prostitutes and whores. Or virgins who have never known a man. Wife, prostitute, virgin. Women, in the new testament, are told not to speak in church. In the old testament, they are unclean and brought about sin to all the world through deception and gullibility. How very empowering for the daughters of humanity. |
Jay User ID: 7731991 United States 01/07/2012 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The inquisition was ran by the gnostic pope. Millions of Bible believing christians died. Can't just write your own version of history i.e. it was all herbalists and gnostics. It was Christians who died. The pope labeled them "witches" and "heretics". They called the protestant Queen Elizabeth I a "witch" and sent in the Spanish Armada. Tried to assassinate her several times. Watch the movie! (Elizabeth, parts 1 & 2) Catholic Inquisition [link to www.archive.org] Women are to get married if that was the question. Those who refuse are either brainwashed by the state or rebellious to God. Many of us men today have never been married because of women like you. The family and our entire society has fallen apart, only for you to claim it is a good thing. NWO tripe. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1450913 United States 01/07/2012 04:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Elisabeth the mother of John the Baptist is also a fine example of a woman. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2566322 OP are you a feminist and have you any children? I am not a feminist. Any child I might have would be none of your business. I am not inspired by the bible as a woman, and the religions that PRE-DATE the bible have alot more for women. What does christianity do for women? I don't see it, and I used to be a christian. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2566322 United States 01/07/2012 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Elisabeth the mother of John the Baptist is also a fine example of a woman. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2566322 OP are you a feminist and have you any children? I am not a feminist. Any child I might have would be none of your business. I am not inspired by the bible as a woman, and the religions that PRE-DATE the bible have alot more for women. What does christianity do for women? I don't see it, and I used to be a christian. Really, I use to be atheist. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1450913 United States 01/07/2012 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The inquisition was ran by the gnostic pope. Millions of Bible believing christians died. Quoting: Jay 7731991 Can't just write your own version of history i.e. it was all herbalists and gnostics. It was Christians who died. The pope labeled them "witches" and "heretics". They called the protestant Queen Elizabeth I a "witch" and sent in the Spanish Armada. Tried to assassinate her several times. Watch the movie! (Elizabeth, parts 1 & 2) Catholic Inquisition [link to www.archive.org] Women are to get married if that was the question. Those who refuse are either brainwashed by the state or rebellious to God. Many of us men today have never been married because of women like you. The family and our entire society has fallen apart, only for you to claim it is a good thing. NWO tripe. Lol, you're blaming me for you not being married? A movie is not historical record. Are you serious? It wasn't christians who died, it was gnostic, "pagans" and millions of WOMEN who refused to denounce their beliefs. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1450913 United States 01/07/2012 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Elisabeth the mother of John the Baptist is also a fine example of a woman. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2566322 OP are you a feminist and have you any children? I am not a feminist. Any child I might have would be none of your business. I am not inspired by the bible as a woman, and the religions that PRE-DATE the bible have alot more for women. What does christianity do for women? I don't see it, and I used to be a christian. Really, I use to be atheist. That's nice, but I am neither an atheist or christian. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1450913 United States 01/07/2012 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is what made me walk away from Christianity. There isn't much there for women, it becomes obvious that the bible was used in part to stamp out the feminine, or altogether obscure it. Quoting: SecondPrecession This is what happened during the Crusades and the Inquisition---murder of those who were herbalists, naturalists and Gnostics. What does a woman get from the bible aside from a male saviour archetype to which she could never identify--as a woman? The other alternative is essentially, a whore or a virgin mother. These two are so at odds to one another. it seems like a set-up for failure. If you're a mother and not a virgin--basically you're a whore or prostitute. What does Christianity do for you girls? Please don't simply quote bible scripture, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the issue instead--I've read the bible many times over. The best analogy the bible gives for the feminine is to refer to her as Wisdom in Proverbs. Other than that, it doesn't leave much to go on for women. Sorry OP, I don't agree. (I'm a woman btw) The Bible is a love letter from God to His Bride(The Church). In the Old Testament, He saw her and loved her with an everlasting love. He courted her. He anointed her with oil and he gave her the finest of everything. He adorned her with gold and jewels. Ultimately, leading up to dying for her so that they can live for eternity together. He is sharing his inheritance with her. They've become one. She is His everything even so much unto the point of His death so that she may have life. He is a gentleman and never forced her to be with Him. He gave her a choice. He protects her character and dignity. He absorbs the pain so she won't have to. Christ is the perfect man and the model husband. Ezekiel 16. Bible has lots of examples on the male saviour. ie. how to be like the perfect husband, etc. But it falls short on the feminine. and tells us to identify with Jesus--a man. How can a woman identify as a man? That AC gave a beautiful example and you completely missed the point. God's children are considered His bride. God's treatment to the bride of Christ should be unlifting to know that is how God expects men to treat women. How does the bible say a woman should act and/or be? As a metaphorical bride or otherwise, she is just a powerless chattel for God's men. |