A Solemn CALL & WARNING to all Followers of Jesus Christ. We have very little time!

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John 12:48 The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.

Yes the book does say that ... There is a problem!...

There is no trouble.

You just have to study further.

For instance you quote Luke 3:6...but this talks about after Christ returns and all sinners and evil is perished. Than all the flesh shall see the salvation. But since you havent studied enough your not taking into account the entire story.

Actually I got lazy in this post... I didn't have the time to re-read all the bits... as I got them from elsewhere.

There are actually heaps of problems... I have listed many on many posts!

That's right they were "SET IN STONE" representing There Eternal Immortality

The Just Believe, just believe (and nothing is a sin anymore) People

and the Just Love all we need is love! (without Christ and the Bible) people
Need to know it is a package deal

Thanks Opie for giving a Message which is mostly ignored by today preachers

I especially liked the link to the Earnest Dreamer Person too

Ps 46:1,2 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore we will not fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the middle of the sea.

Pro 18:10 The name of the Lord is a strong tower: the righteous run into it, and are safe.

Phil 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that He which has begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.

2Thes 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

Heb 13:5b,6 For He has said, “I will never leave you, nor forsake you.” So that we may boldly say, “The Lord is my Helper,” and I will not fear what man shall do to me.

Ps 40:1-3 I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of a horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. He has put a new song in my mouth, even praise to our God: many shall see it and fear, and shall trust in the Lord.

Yet, sadly, most think His name is "God" or "The Lord" and never think to question, "So, what is His name?"

The moment one begins to rejects portions of Scripture, or consider one book of the Bible "more inspired" than another, he is walking on very shaky ground and is already falling into the pitfall which Satan has laid out for him.

Either, the Bible is truth, or it is not. The writings of Paul do NOT contradict any other portion of the Bible in any place. If you disagree with this I would be more than happy to discuss with you, or anyone else, any particular verse/s which may be seen as 'contradictory'.

The problem is lack of understanding the Word, lack of understanding who Paul was writings the Epistles, to whom he was writings, and the issues which he was addressing, as well as lack of comparing Scripture with Scripture. Without these things into consideration, one will surely take what Paul wrote out of context and misapply it to mean something it does not.

I promise you that those who profess the whole truth but hold certain portions of the Bible higher than others will eventually be led to give up their faith before the coming crisis is over. Do not be among that group.

Either, the ENTIRE BIBLE, or none. There is no other choice.

Yes, they do. Always.

I refer you to my previous post.

If you cannot trust what is written in the Bible then God is a liar, and you have lost all hope, faith, and you cannot hope to be saved. That's the end of the matter.

'Fearing God' means utmost reverence and respect to God, knowing He is an All-Powerful Being who created an entire universe by speaking a few words.

Think of the words 'gay', 'awful', 'wicked'. Have they not had their meanings perverted over the years by a sinful society. It has been the same with the word 'fear'. Satan has caused this specifically to 'turn you off' from the Bible.

While I see, and appreciate your point ... keep in mind that the Canon was assembled by the RCC. In some countries, there are over 100 books to the bible ... are we to discard those books since the RCC didn't like them? Are we to accept the 66 books assembled by the RCC just because they said so?

WHICH bible is "inerrant"?

Remember the books and translations were put together by common scribes.

Mark 12:38: And in his teaching he said, “Beware of the scribes, who like to walk around in long robes and like greetings in the marketplaces"

As I've stated previously, I ain't bashing on poor ol' Paul ... but to consider the letters he wrote as "God Given Scripture" is a bit of a stretch ... they were letters.

An "addendum" written by a "self-proclaimed" apostle that couldn't manage to get his story straight at best.

Unlike many Christians, I view the bible through the lens of the Torah, not the other way around. Like all things in life, I assign priority to things, including the books of the bible. The Word, Truth and Law comes first, then the Prophets, then the Gospel, then the rest.

I'm sorry, but Paul's writings take a back seat when it comes to the Word of the Father and Son. If there's even a hint of contradiction(for the record, I've not found a contradiction that couldn't be resolved by a flaw in my own understanding), I seek to find the flaw in my understanding, then if there is no flaw, I reject what I've read.

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It is not those countries which promote such Bibles, it is the corrupted religions of the world such as the RCC which promote the Apocrypha and others. We discard these books because they contradict the Scriptures.

With the 66 books of the KJV there is perfect harmony between the Old & New Testament. I have seen virtually all of the texts, particularly Paulian ones, which many claim are the opposite of either Jesus taught, or the rest of Scripture says. When one takes all the things I mentioned previously into consideration, I have not found one which does what they claim. In fact, my research and understanding has grown to the point that I am truly IN AWE of the perfect synchronicity within the Holy Bible.

The Pauline books/epistles were considered Scripture long before the Council of Nicea came along.

Furthermore, God has always preserved a small but faithful remnant throughout all the ages and all generations. The faith in YAHVEH and the Son of God has never failed since the time of Adam.

If God has preserved His people, what makes you think that He could not, or would not, preserve an unadulterated version of His Word, of which He says is the only source of testing the spirits, prophets, the only source of knowing between good and evil, right and wrong? It is the very foundation of the faith of the people of God.

If the source of all truth for us is uncertain and unreliable, what hope do any of us have of standing faithful in the last days, when the only way to uncover deception will be through the Scriptures?

My faith will stand unmoved because Satan will never be able to change my conviction regarding the inerrant nature of the 66 books of the Bible. I have no doubts regarding its purity and truthfulness. To doubt is to give the adversary of souls enough room to work that with time he will devour the whole being. It has always happened.

If you reject Paul, Biblically you have to reject Peter as well, for Peter considered Paul a genuine apostle. Effectually, if you reject Peter, you have to reject the rest of the apostles who walked with Christ, for they agree in one. If you reject the apostles, then you have no reason to believe in anything regarding Jesus Christ. Your faith is destroyed.

There is no point to discuss this. One either accepts the entire Bible, or before his time is up on this earth, he will surely accept none, or be deceived and be lost either way.

Last Edited by A Voice In The Wilderness on 01/12/2012 03:01 AM

You have fallen for the lie. :(

If God cannot help you to stop sinning entirely, then you have only proven Satan's attempt to show that sin is more powerful than grace. Lucifer's very claim is that man cannot willingly keep the Law of God by faith. Jesus unveiled this deception and lie and became our example, showing us what we can do in faith, through the power of JEHOVAH.

How can you follow Jesus' example if He did something you cannot do?

This reasoning destroys the entire gospel.


Read the description of the 144,000 in Revelation 14. Jesus Christ himself was a parallel to who they shall be at the end of time.

YES!! :) And remember, EVERYTHING that talks about the WORD or Scriptures is referring to the TORAH AND THE PROPHETS! :) Because the letters they were writing were not organized and considered "Scripture" until 300 years later.

Read Acts 21, James is the head of the Apostles and his book is the most like the Messiah's words than any other. Always use the Blunt to help out with the Vague.

I disagree. "There is no concern to protect the inspired status of the Epistles of John, Peter, James or Jude. This is true because none of these writers ever claimed inspired status for their own epistles. If we denied inspired status to them now, we would not be taking away anything the authors of those writings claimed for their epistles. By contrast, Paul repeatedly made the claim that thus sayeth the Lord belonged on his lips. (E.g., 1 Cor. 14:37; 1 Tim. 2:11; 1 Cor. 2:13; 1 Thess.4:1-2,8; 1 Thess. 2:13; Eph. 4:17. cf. 1 Cor. 7:25, 40.)
It is Paul alone who made statements that he was, in effect, speaking as a prophet. This is why we are duty-bound to apply to Paul the test for a true prophet under Deuteronomy chapters 12, 13 & 18."
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

the Messiah ONLY gave binding and loosing power to 12 apostles. Rev 2:2 says some claimed they were, and were not.

Don't want to get too confusing to newer people... but 1 & 2 Peter are easily proven to NOT have been written by Peter. [link to www.earlychristianwritings.com]

Messiah said to watch out for people that say He was in the Desert (Paul) or in a secret place (muhamed & joseph smith) Matt 24

Paul said Messiah came in the LIKENESS of human flesh, John said beware of anyone that says he did not come in the flesh.

And there are a lot more to this, but no, rejecting Paul does not reject any other part of the new testament. In Acts 21 it's clear that he was the only one they claimed in question of the Law of Moses. James obviously never saw his letters, but took pauls word for it that he was not teaching it. But since we do see his letter,s it is up to us to discern if what he is saying is true, and to test it.

Wow, how quickly folks turn on you when you don't agree with them 100%.

I guess my repeated disclaimer: "I'm not bashing on Paul" and "I don't reject his writings outright" went unheard.

Yeah, I'm the devil incarnate because I verify and validate every translation before just following it blindly.

How terrible of me.

The Father has commanded in Deuteronomy that I test all prophets ... how dare I be obedient and do exactly as He has commanded me.

:(

As for "The KJV is inerrant" ... well, I guess the fact that the scribes that wrote that translation hiding the name of YHWH 6828 times means nothing to most here.

I'll tell ya what the "great lie" is that the world has fallen for ... that's that the Fathers NAME is "God" and the Son's name is "Jesus Christ". His name is YHWH, or transliterated: Yahuwah. The Son's name is Yahushua or Yahoshua in the Strong's Concordance.

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"Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?"

There is no need to twist what I said. Nowhere did I condemn you or call you of the devil. To sympathize with oneself and play the victim when rebuke and reproof on account of error is given is to have ceased to look to the Great I AM. I was addressing the error which you have been led to believe; error which stems from none other by the adversary of souls himself.

You do not realize the danger you are in, nor the deception which has been pulled over your eyes friend; thus my words need to be strong and decisive.

You have not done as JEHOVAH has commanded, for you would have found the 66 books of the Bible to not contradict themselves on any point. You do not have to intentionally attack someone or something in order to lead others to deception and eternal ruin. You think you are in no danger by believing a part of the Bible to be more inspired than another, yet I have seen many, time and time again, who made the same claim, and ALL of them have in time ceased to grow in grace, truth and become spiritually bogged down in the swamp of self-righteousness.

The Father and Jesus have many names. Nor is there any 'great lie' regarding the name. Should you have read the preface in the KJV you would have seen it addresses the very point you made about the name of JEHOVAH. If you get offended because your name is translated and said differently in another culture and language, then I am afraid you have already fallen from grace more than you realize.

My friend, I tremble for you because you do not realize the ground you are walking in. Do not allow the self-righteousness of many Messianic brothers to influence and spread over to you, just as I cannot allow the self-righteousness of my pastors and leaders to carry over to me.

My words have to be strong. They do not condemn you, but they condemn the deception which will cause you to become spiritually dead in due time. I do not want this for you, I want to see you embrace your Savior and King one day on the sea of glass. Always remember that the reason why the God's professed people are in the condition they are today is because they can never accept the fact that they may be wrong, and reject the rebukes, reproofs, and the corrections given them.

I could give you links to websites which follow the same faulty reasoning and show that you should be rejecting the rest of the New Testament and much of the Old. You are following what your own human wisdom believes constitutes truth. You are not walking by faith in that which God said. To those who present ideas as you have, it is evident that human wisdom has superseded the Word and wisdom of the LORD.

Paul did not contradict the Bible when he said those words. Jesus was made LIKE US, in the same LIKENESS as we are now. You are putting a connotation and meaning to this word which does not exist. The Greek shows there is no contradiction. Both Paul and John believed and are saying that Jesus came in the flesh of fallen humanity.

To you who continue to mock the Lord. I feel saddened and pained for your rebellious unbelief. Your disconnect from your true nature is unfortunate yet you do still have yet a window of time to separate yourself from the selfishness with which you hold on to.

This video is a realistic representation of the what awaits those of us who do KNOW. To remain asleep, deaf & blind is of no benefit to those who have yet to experience the gift of the Holy Spirit & that of His first blessing, that of Faith.

For those who elect not to turn from your ways, understand the here on earth will be your heaven. Your eternal destination will be of undeniable and unspeakable horrors, again - Eternal.

All Glory to the Lord of Lords, King of Kings and Creator of All.

Oh what BUNKEM! The entire Bible or none is just plain silly.

If that is so, you had better get your stones ready and start throwing them around society and follow Moses maniacal laws.

You had better start oppressing women cause Moses and Paul said so. Show me where Jesus said to do what Paul said!

So what should we do "stone people" or "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"

Should we live an "eye for an eye" or should we "turn the other cheek".

Sorry I can't do both.

The Bible is a very flawed document and if you believe that GOD agreed with the laws MOSES put onto people like selling your kids into slavery, then the GOD you believe in is rather unintelligent.

Hardly the master of the Universe!

Amen...

WE are there...Christ is in our midst..

Be Strong..

This is a Final test for the Followers of Christ our LORD.

^ this ^

And this final test is about to intensify many times over in the coming months and the few years we have left. Let's all be ready, having the faith, the patience, the testimony of Jesus Christ, and keeping the commandments of God; according to Revelation 12:17 & 14:12.

Christian, I better see you on the sea of glass before God's throne!

This wrangling about words is meaningless. I was saved by His grace before even opening up a Bible.


God is the seeker. He showed me that I was lost. My wife showed me one scripture.....Christ's words ("Marvel Not, you must be born again.")

She helped me pray to Him.......and I gave my life to Christ.......and was instantly born of the Spirit.....indwelt by the Holy Spirit. This naturally led to a very great love for him.


Jesus: "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'" (John 3: 5-7)


This results in a very great love for Christ over time.


Jesus: "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me." (Matthew 10: 37)

FIND YOURSELF AND EVOLVE!!

That is true, fine and good ... but at some point we are to move on from milk to meat.

Sadly, most traditional Christians are masters of making cheese. Spiritual vegans.

I don't judge ... that's His job, not mine. However, I demand the same common courtesy.

My path is quite advanced these days.

I'll never understand why believers are intimidated by my seeking knowledge and understanding instead of just blindly following what a "pastor" says.

I think its great you seek more knowledge.

Share what you have learned.

If you would like to keep it brief at lease point out the most important things, or point out where we can also find this information to expand our minds.